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[–]tumblrgallllNazi Germany 29 points30 points31 points  (23 children)
You know if we showed all the leftist pro muslim people the shit that we know, id say 80% will have a change of mind.
[–]nouncommittee 13 points14 points15 points  (18 children)
I doubt you could change more than 8%. A higher percentage may actually become more entrenched in their point of view.
[–]DivideEtImpera8SPQR 48 points49 points50 points  (16 children)
Well, no.
Most people are a product of their enviornment. The majority leftists I know are:
  • Young and educated. Aside from the actual education they get, they also geet indoctrinated in certain things.
  • They aren't rich so they never really learned the value of of having. Their parents earned their paychecks, and they lived well. Not rich, but wealthy enough to have an okay house, a car, vacations. The middle class. With their nice lives, they see no problem in giving, especially given the propaganda of all the people who suffer around the world. Altruism is deeply encouraged and seen as a fundamental values in Western culture.
  • They never faced anything outside of what they have seen-other middle class, good people. This is why they are so compassionate. Just like their father who helped his neighbour and vice-versa. They have no reason to believe there are bad people, because all they have seen are good people
  • Years of propaganda have convinced them that really, we are all the same. And their parents never really cared. They got home from work and their biggest joy was seeing their daughter happy, giving everything they have for her sake. Why would they explain politics to her? As a teenager she/he will be indoctrinated and will literally despise his/her parents, ready to be on the contrary of everything they stand for. Because they love their kid, they will keep providing for a generation of consumers, filled with bad ideas and rotten world views. Because teenagers and young adults are emotionally unstable, they will refuse facts. Even if presented with authentic information they will deny until the truth bites them in the ass.
Now, all of a sudden come the problems. The middle class gets decapitated by taxes, jobs are becoming less, crime rises. But the media continues spewing shit. Because their parents are good people they will give everything for their children. They will live in misery so their kid is happy. Of course, the kid never sees those sacrifices. At the age of about 30, they have finished their education and their parents are now unable to keep providing for them. They exit their homes and universities, safe spaces. Up until this point everyone is an intelligent, tolerant, loving, lefitist. It takes an exceptional individual to see through the charade if he was brought up in there conditions.
They are young idealists until that point. They see the world the way they want to, not the way it is. Because in their world, everything is perfect.
And now comes a reality check. Here, people will spread in two groups depending on their charecter and intelligence. When you are 30 years old, you are in the begining of your productive life. You go from consumer to provider. The facts will be all around them. The more flexible and intelligent ones, will, at this point, understand how things actually are.
The more stupid and bigoted ones will cling to their ideology as hard as they can, going to extreme lenghts to protect it-this is the loud minorityy that will start to get involved in politics, media and jurisdiction-those high ranking professions will be available to them because of the education, meanwhile, the people who never had the chance to study will remain workers, and very few of them will rise to the elite. They will be unable to give up on their views, because they are what defines them as what they are. They will defend what they believe in with amazing passion, because at this point their existance is centered around their political beliefs. They will not have children, they will dedicate their life to themselves and their ideas. They will have nothing to lose so they will succeed as it often happens. Their lives will be dedicated to defending what they are at the expense of others, something they themselves will not realize. They will also develop a superiority complex, because if we ignore reality(which is what they do), their views are morally superior, they will also see themselves as more intelligent, because they are told they are(which is also quite ironic, considering they are being taken for fools and are being lied to).
The silent majority will see the truth but will remain silent. They will be happy with their job and family and won't speak out against the system, because they will be afraid of losing their job, family, friends. This will go on until everything they have is lost. Until the benefits of their middle class are exhausted and their security is compromised(we are in the process of that). Then, they will speak out. But time is needed. Because people are egoistic, they will cling on to what they have until it is taken from them. This is the fear that elite has imposed on the person because the people have the power and controlling people is best done through fear or love. Since people like Merkel are unable to generate love, they will generate fear.
And here, we have the elite. Rich people have no race or religion, they are rich. Stealing people's money, and inviting immigrants make them richer. Their egoism is at it's peak. Immigrants will bring lower wages, but the elite doesn't care, because they will be the ones paying the lower wages. They don't care about middle class Hans, Francesco, John and Sven. Sue those guys will get poorer, but the respectable senators Muller, Rossi, Riley and Johansson will be getting richer. Because wealth doesn't disappear. It will just switch pockets. It will make the middle class poorer and the upper class richer.
Meanwhile, until the middle class is fed up, there will be more crime and poverty. Until the silent majority refuses to take it anymore. Sadly, until that happens, there will be many, many immigrants, and many indoctrinated Europeans that will keep fighting for what they believe in to the last drop. At this point, we are looking at conflict, even armed conflict.
This is the situation.
TL;DR: Read it, it's worth it.
Edit: In retrospect, maybe I should have made this a separate post but oh well.
Edit 2: Oh boy, reddit gold! I've never had it so far. Thank you kind stranger!
[–]never__surrenderAustralia [score hidden]  (0 children)
Underrated post.
[–]balisto123Germany [score hidden]  (9 children)
Just open up another thread. This a very good post. This is almost what i went through three years ago.
[–]DivideEtImpera8SPQR [score hidden]  (8 children)
This is almost what i went through three years ago.
Out of curiosity, what was different? People are already seeing it here and making a comment into a post... I don't know it flirts with spamming.
Also, this is why I'm against the hate on leftists. As I said in the post, it's not the fault of the person. My first frase is "product of their enviornment" for a reason. Intelligent people can always change their opinion. I am sad to see some users who say "That leftist had it coming". No, they don't. There is hope for most people. Adults are still just big children. They need to be guided to the truth, very few young people(young girls are most often the victims of multiculti) wil realize it on their own, and very few people in the West are lucky enough to have parents who will show them the light.
Also, I kind of want /u/75000_Tokkul to post this on his stupid subreddit. I wonder what they will say to discredit me.
[–]balisto123Germany [score hidden]  (7 children)
My mother died and the german health care system treated her with disgust. Made me rethink pretty much everything.
I couldnt believe that i pay 400 euros a month (pretty much the lowest you can get), and this was the state of the hospitals and even a CT scan to locate her cancer was being fought over.
A cruel joke.
[–]DivideEtImpera8SPQR [score hidden]  (6 children)
Yeah, just the reality check I talked about. It comes in different forms. I'm sorry to hear about your mother.
[–]balisto123Germany [score hidden]  (5 children)
Thank you!
I have my own business since 2007 and give up roughly 50% of every euro i take in. I was very ok with that. But seeing how whole families of roma had rooms in the hospital and my mother cant even get oxygen....
I stop here, i want to hurt people.RAGE.
[–]DivideEtImpera8SPQR [score hidden]  (4 children)
You are right and you are a good person. You will get your justice. The universe will not give it to you though. As Charlie Chaplin said, we the people have the power. We have to power to do what is right. Stay strong.
[–]balisto123Germany [score hidden]  (3 children)
Thank you again my friend!
Im doing the best i can to inform people. Already worked out a plan B, but i would have never thought these idiots would red pill every german that has some brains left.
The state media is in big trouble right now. Big newspapers had to edit and delete articles on the fly, because they straight up lied. Something is going on. This is the first time in years that the media reports differently. People are not buying it, and newspapers fuck with each other...
I have to say, this gives me a glimmer of hope. But we still have a minimum of 700.000 of these invaders in the country. The next few days are a breaking point i hope, and the germans take back their country and lifes.
[–]Nikolai_Aikov [score hidden]  (4 children)
I am somewhat confused about what you're trying to say. When you say leftists, do you mean people who support immigration, Socdems, or people who support socialism?
I support socialism but I know that in the current system(capitalism) having a lot of immigration will just make it worse for everyone except the richest who gets to enjoy cheaper labor. Therefore I am against immigration in it's current form.
If we manage to transist to a socialist nation things might change and immigration might be good for people but if that happens I will change my view accordingly when it has happened and not now. Ignoring reality doesn't help anyone.
[–]DivideEtImpera8SPQR [score hidden]  (3 children)
Well, in modern European politics, the left and right don't truly exist. They both support most social policies, including free healthcare, pensions, welfare, free education. All left wing policies initially, but today they are politics of the left and the right. We are at a point where the right is economically more leftists towards it's own citizens, wanting to provide for them.
Today the only actual divide between left and right in Europe right now is their policies on immigration. I use leftist because it's accepted on this sub as a way of saying. By leftist I mean people who support immigration and it's funding. Only this is a logical fallacy because if you spend a lot of money on immigrants, you can't spend it on healthcare or education. Money is not unlimited.
In other words, the leftists I am talking about, are the people who live in the delusion that nations have unlimited resources, and are obviously unfit to understand how the world works.
[–]Nikolai_Aikov [score hidden]  (2 children)
Ah, thanks for clarifying your point. In that cause I fully agree. It's detrimental for everyone to just ignore reality.
We actually had some politician in Sweden who said "Well it's just money" when asked how they will pay for the welfare with the huge amounts of immigrants coming.
I mean, technically I agree. It is just money. It shouldn't matter more than peoples lives but in todays society it DOES. If we run out of money we will lack the power to help anyone, including ourselves. Ignoring that won't help anyone.
[–]DivideEtImpera8SPQR [score hidden]  (1 child)
People's lives are worth more than money. No doubt. The problem is that as I said, resources are not unlimited. At some point you will have to choose who to spend them on. The Swedes, or the immigrants. Every coin given to an immigrant is taken directly from the pocket of the taxpayer, from your pocket and my pocket.
And what happens when the taxpayer refuses to give his money without receiving anything?
[–]Nikolai_Aikov [score hidden]  (0 children)
Yeah, I know and I agree with what you said(Although I also think it's a even bigger problem since the influx of workers will also bring down wages so we will get fucked twice) It's just a shame that's the way reality is today.
[–]shmalzPolska [score hidden]  (0 children)
You underestimate their powers of denial.
[–]adult__hitlerIsrael 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
If they'd be shown all we know, their reality would collapse and they couldn't function for a few weeks.
[–]tompanz 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Those are the people that can't wake up. For quite a few people here it was just a paradigm change, these people have dedicated their lives to this cause. If they were to suddenly see the truth, I think they would purposely ignore it just so they wouldn't have to face the reality of what they have become.
[–]53saucesDenmark [score hidden]  (0 children)
Definitely. When you are spoonfeed lies all you know is wrong. We mustn't forget that the penalties for breaking the leftist groupthink is expulsion and scorn. So there is few incentives for gaining knowledge.
Curiously they often discover that their kids are sensitive and/or artistic and need a school that by coincidence happen to be all white and often private.
[–]Canadaisfullgohome [score hidden]  (0 children)
I saw this post on the original thread and was very happy.
And now you all know why there's so much censorship on /r/Europe !
Can't have this happen!
[–]adult__hitlerIsrael 17 points18 points19 points  (12 children)
A self aware leftist? They're morphing!
[–]q194Finland 28 points29 points30 points  (11 children)
As a former leftist: The problem with modern leftists is that they have an unconscious assumption that their own secular humanist worldview can be extrapolated to everyone in the world. That everyone can be reasoned with, on the same level we do in the west. That ultimately everyone shares our values. The moment they understand that that's not the case, the world starts to look very different.
[–]_phoenix_king_ 13 points14 points15 points  (3 children)
I'm a former leftist as well. Your comment rings true.
I would like to add that, in my case, the assumption that people on the left were more intelligent led me to entertain their views and dismiss the views of people on the right (including totally reasonable people in my immediate family). I wanted to see myself as intelligent, so I took on all the superficial trapping of what I thought intelligence looked like without actually being knowledgable. Basically, it was vanity.
[–]hellomc [score hidden]  (0 children)
Progressivism (left) is the default state for people in the West due to the messages we get from education and media, so it's an easy mistake to see it as the higher ground.
If you are lucky then someone will show you how the world works early on and you can get a head start. Otherwise it's a long process of discovery - since most people move right as they: age, learn and gain real world experience.
[–]fourbetPortugal [score hidden]  (1 child)
You see this all the time. People from all ideologies do it to some extent, but "progressives" seem particularly infected with it. They can point to their "safe spaces" and such being a popular thing at many universities (although almost never the truly top tier uni's or departments actually involved with scientific research like MIT) and scoff at the idea that a toxic ideology can foster in academia.
They also get a big boost in the media imo. I never really got the appeal of guys like Jon Stewart (Daily Show) and to a lesser extent Maher. They're entire schtick was basically "lol this conservative said something dumb jajajaj look how dumb he is lolol".
It's just a way to dismiss an idea without actually confronting it in the end.
[–]_phoenix_king_ [score hidden]  (0 children)
Jon Stewart is as you describe him.
Maher is a more complex case. Listening to him was one of the first things that caused me to question elements of leftist dogma. In particular, his criticism of feminism.
There's plenty to disagree with in the following quote, but I think it shows that he isn't thoughtlessly towing the leftist party line.
"I'm the guy who thinks religion is bad and drugs are good. I think children aren't innocent, god doesn't write books, and Jesus wasn't a republican. I think girls hate each other, no doesn't mean no and being drunk is funny. I'm for mad cow disease, how am I gonna win that? I'm against suing tobacco companies. I think abstinence is a perversion. I think Bush's lies are worse than Clinton's. I think Vegas was better when it was run by the mob. I think men are only as loyal as their options. I think stereotypes are true and rehab is for quitters."
[–]balisto123Germany [score hidden]  (1 child)
bleep bloop. Ex-SPDler here. I supported agenda 2010 (google it)
im so ashamed. good thing i woke up three years ago.
[–]Lv100_BixNoodGroßdeutsches Reich [score hidden]  (0 children)
I voted Die Linke at the last election. Ha!
[–]depuis1919Canada [score hidden]  (0 children)
This. Leftism's a bit like libertarianism... it'd work if there were only white people who all have that general spirit of cooperation and contribution to the public good, and willingness to play by the rules even when there's no enforcement of the rules.
And it fails, just like libertarianism, because its doctrine forbids it from seeking an all-white society, demands it welcome in the alien, who has no interest in their philosophy and seeks only to take advantage of them, and so dooms itself to failure.
[–]fucklenegreCanada [score hidden]  (0 children)
Former leftist too. I agree with you. Lots of leftists aren't exposed (or either refuse/deny to be exposed) to the realities of what they stand for. The same progressive values that they want can't happen if they keep bringing people who are opposed to these values.
[–]TheAutistisyouAustria [score hidden]  (0 children)
Former left aswell even voted for Spö but thats some years ago.If you have the balls to question your own believes and seek for rational answers yourself instead of clinging to what people spoonfed you your whole life your on a good road.
[–]FascistWorldNewsModsIsrael [score hidden]  (0 children)
I'll second this. Despite all the multiculturalism you like to praise yourselves for having, most westerners rarely meet non-westernized foreigners, and you don't understand that they are just different from you.
[–]MissinginAct [score hidden]  (0 children)
Ugh, this is exactly the kind of crap my (former) Muslim friend tried to explain to me. That we're all humans and that everyone should try to help one another, and that I'm "othering" them (ie. using the words "us" and "them"). Personally, I still don't give a fuck about "them" if they're gonna act like savages.
[–]denart12 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
Huge respect to that guy.
[–]ThE_MagicaL_GoaT [score hidden]  (0 children)
Thanks man! You wouldn't believe the hate I've gotten for posting that.
[–]ItalmustardraceItaly 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
And yet some cucks in the same comments are still talking about integration, they still cannot understand that many Europeans want to live among other Europeans and don't give a flying fuck about diversity.
Always with the bullshit "muh integration", so sick of hearing that crap.
[–]Inquisitor777Ireland 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
There are still some trying to cling onto their cognitive dissonance. Some claiming that there is too many refugees for neighbouring countries so Europe must do it's part.... even after numerous comments of people realizing how incompatible both cultures are with each other.
The best solution is construction of refugee camps over in the neighbouring areas. Then, an international coalition to wipe out the terrorists. It's the only way it'll be solved. Not dropping bombs on random co-ordinates.
Troops on the ground, crossing names off lists...
[–]ChimpChoker 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
I guess many of us went through such phase. Its like little bird hatches out the egg shell, and begins perceive everything in a new, real way. Yes dammit, they are not the same like us.
[–]balisto123Germany 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Sadly im a bit busy today with work, paying the invaders to feed themselves.
Situation in Germany: Press cant keep up the lies. We know it was refugees, syrians and afghans.
Commenters are imploding, dont want "rightwing" comments deleted anymore. They know whats up. I could have never imagined this. Srsly. This is lightspeed red pilling by our own Government.
People sense that something is clearly wrong. Lefties are melting on mass.
[–]stolt 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
I could not have chosen more perfect material for a sticked post for this specific sub.
[–]Fang7-62Czech Republic 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
r_worldnews turned into one giant redpill fest, it is glorious. https://www.reddit.com/r/european/comments/3zuwlg/rworldnews_on_fire/
[–]denart12 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Its hard not to get redpilled after incidents like these in your lawn.
[–]myndzhaEuropean Union 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Well it was pretty much a terror attack. Phrase "dead men tell no tales" comes to mind and in this case nobody died.
[–]TherealScrablePoland [score hidden]  (0 children)
Hrm, nothing new to me. Was also able to convince many people of my point of view and why you should not support this madness. You actually need to reason(and also have some luck in actually meeting a leftist ready to discuss).
Although sometimes it still scares me how fast people can change their position.
[–]NiederweitThe Netherlands 3 points4 points5 points  (8 children)
Could you post a picture? goldfish rarely works for me.
[–]Bomyknocka [score hidden]  (0 children)
Look how they all have to qualify it:
"I was always a good leftist, I always attacked the right people for daring to challenge the party line! But now it turns out those people who I gladly saw fired and persecuted for their views were right, if only someone had told us!"
Better late than never though. Every person who wakes up is another potential pair of boots on the ground for when what we all know is going to happen happens.
[–]NiederweitThe Netherlands 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Thnx!
[–]mcctaggart 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
are you on mobile? what app are you using if that's the case or what browser are you using otherwise?
[–]NiederweitThe Netherlands 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Chrome, Using Ublock origin, disconnect, https-everywhere, privacy badger... Just tried it on Firefox with the same plugins and that seems to work just fine, will use firefox next time.
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[–]mcctaggart 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
https-everywhere
I think it is likely this add-on. go1dfish.me will only work with http.
[–]donkey_democrat [score hidden]  (1 child)
Not him, but "Reddit is Fun" doesn't work so I opened it in chrome, no addons or anything
[–]mcctaggart [score hidden]  (0 children)
worked for me in reddit is fun but I use the flynx app to open links. it eventually loads.
[–]Lv100_BixNoodGroßdeutsches Reich 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Feel free to participate in /r/european to discuss the migrant crisis :)
/r/worldnews will just censor you anyway.
[–]balisto123Germany 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Immer rein hier mein Freund, frei von zensur!
Come on in friend, discuss freely!
[–]ThE_MagicaL_GoaT [score hidden]  (0 children)
Thanks for the invite!
[–]shakethetroublesIreland [score hidden]  (0 children)
The left is full of young, naive people who think they already know how the world works. Sooner or later they either grow up and become more conservative or they live a life in their head in la-la land.
[–]JepesinDenmark [score hidden]  (0 children)
It still pains me that people call them refugees, they're looking for an easy ride in Europe. There's nothing wrong with that, but we just can't take on the world, because then we'd become the same shit hole they dug and shat in, over there.
[–]polakfury [score hidden]  (0 children)
LOL Like no shit dude.
[–]Enzo-Unversed [score hidden]  (0 children)
I was always a Communist until last year. Now I'm a Trump supporter.
[–]ThE_MagicaL_GoaT [score hidden]  (0 children)
Huh, will ya look at that.
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