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[–]qusia 73 points74 points75 points  (24 children)
Can someone explain to me the following thing?
  • A wave of sexual assaults by a group of Middle Eastern-looking men has happened.
  • The authorities and the media have tried to downplay the events because they didn't want to fuel anti-migrant sentiment and give a reason for the rise of extreme right movements.
Now the logical conclusion is that they think reporting reality would fuel the extreme right.
This has very deep implications. This means that they know they royally screwed up by allowing anyone and his cousin to enter German territory and are trying to cover it up. By suppressing/downplaying/delaying the news, they implicitly admit wrongdoing!
[–]Myself2 [score hidden]  (1 child)
this is why political correctness is dangerous
[–]giantjesus [score hidden]  (2 children)
Yeah, it's the same with the Abu Ghraib pictures. The White House is still holding them back because they are apparently so horrible it would fuel anti-American sentiment. Censoring it will make it worse, not better, you cunts.
[–]balisto123 [score hidden]  (0 children)
cant forget the americans guys! nice derailing.
other quotes of the PC idiot in this thread:
This specific type of sexual harassment is quite typical in the Arab world though. No point talking around the hot potato. Some pretty vile shit happened on Tahrir square. Similar things might happen in rock concert crowds in the West or subway trains in Japan, but clearly not in a public square.
[–]randomcrap12345 comment score below threshold[score hidden]  (17 children)
They invariably cover up the number of rapes committed by men who eat toast. Clearly a conspiracy to hide the reality of toast-related rapes.
Either that, or the "reality" is that violence, sexual or otherwise, is rarely related to physical appearance or other irrelevant factors. Racists will assume that these attacks prove certain ethnicities are evil, when the actual reality is that rapists are both evil, and present in all cultures.
Now, when the cops investigate rapes by white men and ignore rapes by brown men, then we have a serious problem. But journalists worried about causing an unjustified race war is not the same thing as law enforcement protecting the criminals.
[–]qusia [score hidden]  (0 children)
And then Rotherham happened. Yes we do have a serious problem.
[–]charlie_yardbird [score hidden]  (4 children)
They invariably cover up the number of rapes committed by men who eat toast. Clearly a conspiracy to hide the reality of toast-related rapes.
Show me one example where 100s of rapes by people who eat toast were not reported on because of the fact they ate toast.
You're obtuse.
[–]rumtreiber comment score below threshold[score hidden]  (3 children)
We are now talking about 100s of rapes? So far only two rapes have been reported and what exactly makes you think those were not committed by men eating toast?
There is no proof linking any refugees to this event. There is no prove men eating toast were not under the attackers in this night.
[–]charlie_yardbird [score hidden]  (1 child)
The fact that they ate toast is irrelevant to the act itself and to the cover up.
Here the fact that they were refugees (or migrants) is directly related to the act and the cover-up. It's not some coincidence, which is what you seem to be implying.
[–]rumtreiber [score hidden]  (0 children)
There are no facts. There are no proves these attacks were all committed by men with a foreign appearance. And you know what, if it was like that that doesn't mean they are not German citizens.
Cover-up?
This is a google search for the events that happened in cologne. I see lots of German mass media including the ARD reporting about it. Where exactly is the cover-up?
I fear you haven't understood what the men eating toasts stands for...
[–]Ameroman [score hidden]  (0 children)
Whats the deal with toast eating?
[–]giantjesus [score hidden]  (3 children)
This specific type of sexual harassment is quite typical in the Arab world though. No point talking around the hot potato. Some pretty vile shit happened on Tahrir square. Similar things might happen in rock concert crowds in the West or subway trains in Japan, but clearly not in a public square.
[–]randomcrap12345 comment score below threshold[score hidden]  (2 children)
We don't have anti-white-people riots when white men do vile things. We don't deport entire families when one white immigrant does a vile thing.
"Look, some arabs are vile" might well be reality, but is focussing on their race really a useful approach?
Similar things might happen in rock concert crowds in the West or subway trains in Japan, but clearly not in a public square.
Are you seriously trying to claim that not doing it at a rock concert was the most vile part of what they did?
You're arguing my point for me - when white men assault women at rock concerts, people make excuses. When arabs do it in a "public square", people want all arabs deported.
I'm sorry if this confuses you, but certain acts are unacceptable regardless of race or venue. And the reporting should focus on the act, not the race of the perpetrators.
[–]GooeyPod [score hidden]  (0 children)
We don't have anti-white-people riots when white men do vile things.
Did you not read a damn news site when Baltimore was happening or something? That was literally that.
[–]throwawaybecauseicam [score hidden]  (0 children)
Their race is relevant though, not specifically their skin color, but their culture is very relevant. It's not racist to say something about a culture that is true.
I'm tired of this political correct bullshit, and its not just the media. You point out evidence of cannibalism in native american tribes and your called a racist!
Fucking pc retard you're destroying all discussion this world has. Oh, and there are riots against white people too, or did you ignore Ferguson and Baltimore? I'm so sick and tired of people like you, worse than actual racists.
[–]throwawaybecauseicam [score hidden]  (0 children)
It's not their skin color, its their culture. It's an extremely common problem in the countries they came from...You're being ridiculous.
[–]joomba08 [score hidden]  (0 children)
This is the kind of head in the sand thinking that led us here in the first place. Refusal to recognize and acknowledge reality, and to dissect everything said in order to deflect the issue from hundreds of women being raped to an attack on whether or not what the person said was racist. You're missing the point that this wouldn't have happened in the first place if those people were not here. You sacrifice the safety and wellbeing of your own people and countrymen in order to facilitate a bunch of people who obviously care nothing about you, your laws or what your ancestors have built.
There is a problem with young male migrants who are bogging down tax dollars, committing crimes and refusing to integrate. There is a problem forcing a huge portion of taxpaying, contributing, lifelong members of the European population who don't want these people in their land to bare this burden in the name of a misplaced crusade of altruism. This is a mess. You have to open up your eyes or you are sacrificing a peaceful future of your country for absolutely nothing.
Also just a side note: If the government and media prove themselves incapable of representing and defending the interests of the people who do you think the people will turn to? Your thinking is paving the way for despots and you don't even realize it.
[–]simpleclear [score hidden]  (0 children)
Do you ever distinguish between things that are conceptually possible and things that are real? Toast-rapists aren't real. Different levels of crime among different ethnic groups are real.
[–]Seehoferismywaifu [score hidden]  (0 children)
Either that, or the "reality" is that violence, sexual or otherwise, is rarely related to physical appearance or other irrelevant factors.
That is complete bullshit for most crimes. If everyone would be as criminal as a typical woman we wouldnt even need a police for example.
or other irrelevant factors.
Like?
Wealth? Background? Class? Crime record? Culture?
Crime isnt evenly distributed between every human being.
[–]scottfc 95 points96 points97 points  (17 children)
Holding back this story is going to make it a bigger issue then it already is and backfire even worst on refugees as everyone will now think people are covering up negative news about them. This is why news should never be censored.
[–]Yehaw4Jihad [score hidden]  (1 child)
The first step is to stop calling then refugees. They are migrants, they stopped being refugees the moment they left the nearest safe country to the conflict.
[–]simpleclear [score hidden]  (0 children)
This can't be repeated often enough. This isn't just "tomatos tomahtos": as a matter of international law, refugees are entitled to flee out of the warzone and be granted refugee status in the first safe area they set foot in, or to apply for refugee status in some other country and enter that country if it accepts their application.
[–]MongolPerson 60 points61 points62 points  (4 children)
I'm glad they tried to cover it up. The majority of German media outlets have shown clearly, in one event, how scummy, biased, and unreliable they are. The very fact that they tried to cover up 118 sexual assaults now, in over 4 German cities, that shows how stupid they are. As if people weren't going to find out about it.
[–]Viking83 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Meanwhile, Angela Merkel wants Facebook to deliver identities of people who are against this migration.
[–]locustgate [score hidden]  (1 child)
Nothing is going to change though Germany will still remain to the left and welcome in more 'refugees' like they are the second coming of jesus.
[–]MongolPerson [score hidden]  (0 children)
It'll be slow change I think. A lot of voters for CDU and CSU are going to be disaffected with their leadership and probably either vote for AfD or not vote at all. This is a massive issue, 5 German cities went through this, Hamburg is reporting over 50 sexual assaults now. People are going to react in the same way the French have been reacting to the terror attacks in France. CDU has already been slumping in the polls, and Afd has gained a few points, this will accelerate that process.
The only people who won't change their stance is the thorough ideologues, the people who vote for Die Linke and the Greens.
[–]goldman_ct [score hidden]  (0 children)
These men fled from fear, rape, violence and terror. Now they spread fear, rape, violence and terror themselves once they have arrived in the safe haven Germany.
How many times do I have to say it : People are not running away geographical places, they are running away from dysfunctional institutions created by dysfunctional cultures
People are not running away from the problems. People ARE the problems.
I come from a third world muslim country and I can't visit Europe or become european because of those idiots.
Europe should be a heaven heavily protected. But stupid bleeding hearts like Angela Merkel ruined it for everyone, including educated people like me. Now my image will be bad, no matter how educated I am. Thanks Merkel.
[–]txdv [score hidden]  (0 children)
Every economically self sufficient person in Germany has to pay GEZ, basically a fee for the 'public broadcasting institutions'. Yet, these news stations cover up for political interests!
[–]siyanoz [score hidden]  (0 children)
Well, they misjudged the relevance of the story so they postponed it, as such it isn't surprising they hadn't thought about the potential consequences.
It isn't like any paper or broadcaster had ulterior motives. After all, there have been press releases from local police and media right on Jan. 1. So what would be the point?
Regarding refugees, at least as of now, the police explicitly stated there have been no evidence they took part in any of these incidents in any of the cities.
[–]jimmminyjilickers 59 points60 points61 points  (18 children)
We need to start laying down the law in very hard terms and we need to stop compromising our own values too. People come to Europe because we have a mixture of stability, prosperity, security and equality. It doesn't do anyone any good if we start to tolerate the vile behaviour that people come here to escape.
We also need a greatly streamlined deportation process, the ECHR is a European institution, and as such, we need to change the way it operates so that it allows for the safety of Europe.
Unfortunately Europe is moribund in the extreme and it could be a decade before it reacts to the new reality.
[–]bluelappy84 33 points34 points35 points  (3 children)
Exactly, many Europeans dont realise that european values need to be protected because of lot of countries are trying really hard to have the social order like europe that is peaceful, egalitarian, open press, secular, women's rights, scientifically progressive those ideals need to be protected.
[–]NoShameCensorship 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
Freedom isn't free
[–]IGETSHIVERSWHENIP [score hidden]  (0 children)
No there's a hefty fuckin' fee
[–]chiwebdevjsx [score hidden]  (0 children)
It costs a buck o five
[–]spurioushamster 8 points9 points10 points  (3 children)
When you say a streamlined deportation process, for some reason I keep imagining a giant catapult.
[–]FuzzyNutt [score hidden]  (0 children)
Newsflash, nobody is going home.
[–]rumtreiber [score hidden]  (0 children)
Regarding this security and equality thing, what do you say to this:
A new report by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) presents results from the world’s biggest-ever survey on violence against women, revealing the extent of abuse suffered by women at home, work, in public and online. As well as demonstrating the wide prevalence of violence against adult women, the report also details incidents of physical and sexual violence experienced by women in childhood.
Why do we tolerate this kind of behavior here? Why exactly are we not talking about the daily violence against women in the EU?
What values are you talking about? Where are our high values regarding the Hungarian or Polish government?
I think it is funny, we want the newcomers to respect "our" values but have long forgotten to respect them ourselves.
Why do people think there are simple answers to difficult questions...
[–]scalfin -3 points-2 points-1 points  (6 children)
Of course, that stability and prosperity is very recent and came at a huge expense from the rest of the world and European cooperation. The US still has a lot of refugees from Eastern Europe (Hungary in the 50's, Jews from basically all of history up to today, the list goes on), the Marshall Plan cost $115.3 billion, and a large part of the EU and Eurozone was helping Germany and other states leaving the USSR influence recover economically and competitively. Meanwhile, quite a bit of the trouble in the developing world are legacies from how they were managed and left or are caused by developed nations trying to export their "modern" political theories (from Nationalism and self-determination to Socialism to pan-whatever cooperation), so you can't just say they're poor because they don't know how to be civilized while Europeans do.
[–]Stargazer88 [score hidden]  (2 children)
Turning Europe into a destabilised shithole will certainly make all those poor oppressed brown people feel better. Not forgetting how the middle east will automatically stabilise and turn into a utopia of peace and acceptance as soon as all the European imperialist devils get what they deserve.
[–]scalfin [score hidden]  (1 child)
And you clearly understood absolutely none of my comment.
[–]Stargazer88 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Your point was that we should give the Middle East the same help that Europe got, because without the US, the European union and exploiting colonies we would all be engaged in the great European war of 1984 right now. I tried to make a point out of that we don't have the space nor the economy of a post war USA and giving them that help would therefore turn Europe into a shithole. Charity is great, but I won't break the panel off my walls and destitute my children to give it.
[–]charlie_yardbird [score hidden]  (0 children)
so you can't just say they're poor because they don't know how to be civilized while Europeans do.
He never said that. It is this kind of mindset that is killing europe.
[–]BigIrishBalls [score hidden]  (0 children)
They're very good points, really they are but how has that any relation to now, when there are reports of an ever increasing number of crimes occurring through these people?
[–]nikeree [score hidden]  (0 children)
corruption and nepotism. prime exemple is south africa. institutions left intact from the white rule, country is still crumbling. look at a country like botswana that has tried a political model closer to what we have in europe and youll see that theyre succeeding quite well.
every former colony that has had a political leadership that has pointed finger against their former colonizers is failing. its easy cheap political points to blame it on europe and theyre using it.
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    [–]beejayyy 15 points16 points17 points  (15 children)
    I am confused as to why there aren't more photos/videos being widely distributed to persecute the criminals. In Chicago, in the last few years there are have been some attacks on/near our public transit and the press has released detailed photos of the assailants ASAP. This has led to arrests, often pretty quickly (our justice system is notoriously broken but at least the criminals were apprehended because of these pics).
    Are the police doing this? If not, why? There have to be cameras all over this station. It seems like the public safety has already been compromised so much.
    ALSO, this has made me question news sources, I initially was skeptical about this because it was breitbart but if this is true WTF else am I not hearing about??
    [–]giantjesus 11 points12 points13 points  (7 children)
    The victims were not able to identify individual attackers.
    The women were trying to worm their way through this crowd and every now and then some hand would grab their tits or crotch. It seemed to them that a lot of the men were complicit and knew exactly what was going on, but they couldn't tell the police "this guy just touched me, arrest him". Horrible situation to be in.
    [–]Sumbodygonegethertz [score hidden]  (1 child)
    sort of like getting groped when crowd surfing but far harder to spot the perp's
    [–]giantjesus [score hidden]  (0 children)
    "We had just gotten off tour with Mudhoney, and I decided to stage-dive. I was wearing a dress and I didn't realize what I was engendering in the audience. It was a huge audience and they were kind of going ape-shit. So I just dove off the stage, and suddenly, it was like my dress was being torn off of me, my underwear was being torn off of me, people were putting their fingers inside of me and grabbing my breasts really hard, screaming things in my ears like "pussy-whore-cunt". When I got back onstage I was naked. I felt like Karen Finley. But the worst thing of all was that I saw a photograph of it later. Someone took a picture of me right when this was happening, and I had this big smile on my face like I was pretending it wasn't happening. So later I wrote a song called "Asking For It" based on the whole experience. I can't compare it to rape because it's not the same. But in a way it was. I was raped by an audience, figuratively, literally, and yet, was I asking for it?"
    [–]EzraTwitch [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Every now and then seems pretty tame for being aggressively sexually handled over 200 times while walking 100 meters.
    [–]beejayyy [score hidden]  (0 children)
    It just seems so defeatist to think that there are 0 pics or videos out there that could help anyone.
    And if a public place was this packed for a long time during active terrorist threats to public places, that's extremely negligent of Cologne PD. But I guess that is part of the scandal now.
    [–]grayston [score hidden]  (2 children)
    some hand would grab their tits
    Just a thought: perhaps 'tits' isn't the best word to use here.
    [–]Shuko [score hidden]  (1 child)
    I can't speak for all women here, but I can say for my part at least, that we need to lighten up a bit when it comes to the word "tits". It's not in the least offensive at this point. Have you ever seen a tit? It's freaking adorable. Why would anyone want to censor that?
    [–]Viking83 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    In Chicago, in the last few years there are have been some attacks on/near our public transit and the press has released detailed photos of the assailants ASAP.
    We generally don't do this in Europe. Our media generally don't tell names of suspects either; not until they've been convicted.
    [–]rumtreiber [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Cameras don't improve public security. They are just moving the problem to somewhere else.
    [–]DeadlyDolphins [score hidden]  (0 children)
    What happened there wasn't just some drunk idiots doing sexual harassment, it's a specific very well know kind of organized crime which is often seen in Cologne. The criminals act in a group and the harassment mostly serves as a means of distraction to then easily steal whatever they're after. The only difference this time is how publicly it happened and on which scale with hundreds of people at the same time. But since it's that well organized and planned it's really hard to identify somebody, during this event the men repeatedly changed there hats which makes it even harder to identify them. Also you need to be able to prrof for every single one that they actively took part in it and were not bystanders which is really hard for this kind of crime.
    [–]nvkylebrown [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Prosecute, rather than persecute, I hope. :-)
    [–]journo127 -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    Because there are no photos available of who the perpetrators are?
    [–]AndrewJacksonsBalls 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
    Too little, too late.
    [–]Sumbodygonegethertz [score hidden]  (0 children)
    If this happens again, then what? I'd like to know what the plan is because as far as I can tell there is no effective plan other than to never allow a crowd to be so dense in public again - I doubt that that is possible.
    [–]Thekingofhxc [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Think of all the extremely crazy news stories that were reported in the 20th century. Those tasked with delivering that news may have expressed anger, outrage and even tears while in the moment, but they still reported the news. How has the monetization of "news" gotten so out of control that there is actually a dialog about whether they should deliver, soften, or spin it. Such an absolute tragedy with huge repercussions if it continues.
    [–]Farnage [score hidden]  (0 children)
    'Wir haben es nicht gewusst' ...hihi , you silly Germans.
    [–]derpmaster9 [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Karneval is coming up in February. I've stocked up on popcorn - it's gonna be a good show.
    [–]Myself2 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    will it still be good by then?
    [–]goofb4ll [score hidden]  (1 child)
    But still there are people on here denying that the mainstream media delayed reporting on this. Tsk tsk tsk.
    [–]rumtreiber [score hidden]  (0 children)
    ZDF is just one German news outlet.
    Sigh, the worried citizens seem to be here as well. For the ones interested in the course of events. A link showing the German mass medias reporting about the event. I see lots of them.
    [–]Tech42 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
    Tell us all about how the West has free press.
    [–]BigBlueBurd [score hidden]  (2 children)
    It does have free press. There's practically no legislation restricting them.
    Self-censorship is a whole different issue.
    [–]hydrogenc4r [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Eh sort of. Look at how whistle-blowers get treated. Look at Snowden. Look at people who critisize the Quran by drawing cartoons (spoiler alert: they get their heads chopped off).
    We dont have free speech or free press thanks to a) terrorists and b) the presses incompetence (what should have happened after charlie hebdo is ALL news outlets publish the cartoons and share the burden).
    [–]globallysilver [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Don't I see you around the csgo sub?
    [–]tastejustlikechicken 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    the mainstream news in every country are nothing more than professional liars.
    [–]autotldr 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 73%. (I'm a bot)
    News editors of ZDF's flagship "Heute" evening news programme apologised on social media for not reporting on the incidents at least in its Monday evening bulletin, four days after the attacks.
    As the assaults have come to dominate German mainstream media, more women have come forward in Cologne and other cities about being groped and attacked on New Year's Eve.
    A media industry website said that the ugly incidents - and the sluggish official and media response - played into the hands of groups such as the Islamophobic PEGIDA street movement, which claims Germany's politicians and media are colluding to mislead the public about immigration policy.
    Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: media#1 New#2 attacks#3 year#4 Cologne#5
    [–]l3lC [score hidden]  (0 children)
    This is how you create fascists and communists. If you ignore your own people's needs then they become desperate and anger.
    Political correctness destroys nations.
    [–]wapimaskwa [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Over-Political correctness of ZDF could have placed more women in positions to be sexually assaulted by Arab and African men in large mobs.
    [–]nobunaga_1568 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    I don't understand this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index Germany has the world's 14th most free media, and there are law that prevent media to be silenced. Why is this able to happen?
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