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submitted by CommanderZx2
I've tried submitting posts from New York Times, ABC news, dw.com, thelocal.de and so have many others. All posts on this topic get deleted, because apparently migrants not be seen in bad light.
They're also deleting comments that are calling out the moderators in the topics. I believe the one that links to the New York Times has been posted almost a dozens times already.
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[–]PanicThePorcupine 134 points135 points136 points  (5 children)
Absolutely fucking disgusting. The people running this website ought to be ashamed of what they've turned it into.
[–]myndzha 44 points45 points46 points  (2 children)
I wouldn't call this running, its more like a free fall at the moment. Popcorn tastes good!
[–]fringe-otc 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
It's getting a little stale.
[–]daneelr_olivaw 29 points30 points31 points  (0 children)
Well, website's run by cunts, and so are the default subs.
The recent change in privacy policy is also a dickish move, one that Aaron Schwartz would condemn. No wonder he had to be silenced.
[–]dafragsta 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Just like facebook, I love how snide people say "Well you're still using it." I'm not obligated to stop using it because I criticize it. I'm not using facebook or reddit because of facebook or reddit. facebook and reddit are just channels for human beings to communicate, and while facebook and reddit control the channel, the onus on them is to prove the critics wrong, not point out or create a lack of choice. It's like the information age reverse "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear." "If you don't like it, don't use it." Neither is really a choice and I hate how easily false dichotomies are so effectively used in propaganda and by cunty little contrarians. How about a third option "don't be an asshole."
[–]WillemDafuq_ 32 points33 points34 points  (2 children)
Reddit admins need to now intervene. Three major news subs are deliberately censoring this story. That's not a good look for this website.
[–]damn_it_so_much 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
They made the wrong choices a long time ago. They don't have to change a damn thing. Just simply fade from any semblance to the front page of the internet.
[–]mrmaster2 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I'm sure the admins are encouraging this, if not directing it.
[–]SoaringChickenNugget 53 points54 points55 points  (57 children)
I was banned from r/worldnews for posting this story.
A mod told me :
Our sidebar indicates that /r/worldnews is for major world news around the world except for from the US. Topics like a NYE brawl are ordinarily local crimes and more appropriately discussed on a national subreddit, such as /r/germany (where it is at the top of their front page right now). Alternatively, /r/news does not have a restriction on the magnitude of a story.
Then:
Their ethnicity is irrelevant. What is relevant is the crime alleged. If this was actually a terrorist incident and being investigated as such, that would of course be something different, and certainly an appropriate topic for discussion.
Then:
It is only important if you want it to be important. We decline to adopt that view. If the only thing distinguishing this story is the alleged ethnic origin of the perpetrators, that does not elevate it above a normal crime story.
I have no idea how /r/news operates as none of us are mods over there. Nevertheless, /r/Germany has covered this topic and is undoubtedly a more appropriate subreddit.
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-43 points-42 points-41 points  (56 children)
You were banned for posting the exact same link three times in a row.
[–]SoaringChickenNugget 23 points24 points25 points  (42 children)
Why was the link removed? There is nothing about this on reddit now.
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-45 points-44 points-43 points  (41 children)
It's the top link in /r/germany right now. Our reasons for the story not being appropriate in /r/worldnews have been explained.
Besides, we're in contact with the reddit admins because there's a massive off-site brigade on these submissions.
[–]SoaringChickenNugget 49 points50 points51 points  (12 children)
With 30 upvotes.
Why is it that stories about Scottish schoolkids, Australian solar power, and Norway being under preasure to ban tobacco, can make it to the front page, but a story about 1000 people sexually assaulting women in a major city, on NYE, get's deleted from r/worldnews?
[–]IchibanXD 25 points26 points27 points  (2 children)
and this is the question /u/green_flash avoids. lmao
[–]turdovski 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
Because he's a fucking useless piece of shit SJW PC bro fuckhead.
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
I've answered it. See below.
[–]Atrius 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
His definition of brigade is people voting for something he doesn't like.
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (7 children)
You seem to have misread parts of the story. There have been an overall of 60 individual complaints to the police, a quarter of which were about sexual harassment, so 15 cases of sexual attacks. One of those cases is classified as a rape allegation.
The number of 1000 people refers to earlier in the night when those groups of drunkards have shot rockets at each other for fun near the main station. Those crowds were dispersed by police. The alleged sexual harassment later in the night went undetected by police which was nearby and claimed to have the situation under control.
Local stories about individual cases of sexual harassment, rape, murder etc are not major worldnews regardless of the ethnicity of the offenders. Policy decisions and major political debates like the other topics you brought up are definitely major worldnews.
[–]SoaringChickenNugget 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
I was groped everywhere. It was a nightmare. Although we shouted and beat them, the guys did not stop. I was desperate and think I was touched around 100 times in the 200 meters,' she said.
That is a quote from one of the victims.
Cologne police chief Wolfgang Albers says witnesses described the assaults as coming from a group of up to 1,000 men whose appearance indicated they were of "Arab or North African origin."
Some 60 criminal complaints have so far been filed, including one allegation of rape.
Bullshit. You need to let us decide what's news worthy, especially on stories that we persistently post. Most people on Reddit won't be able to form an opinion for themselves, and that is exactly the reason that the mods are actively censoring this story across the site.
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (5 children)
We're not going to make exceptions to our policies. Local criminal incidents are not appropriate, sorry. Even if the perpetrators are brown-skinned. If you don't like it, you're free to unsubscribe.
[–]jmerc83 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
It sounds like almost all of the posts to your sub ate less significant than this, perhaps is just a shitty sub.
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (2 children)
If you consider it a shitty sub, unsubscribe and choose an alternative. That's the power you have. Make use of it.
[–]SoaringChickenNugget 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Will you remove all the stories on the front page that don't belong then?
Like the current top one about the Dutch and encryption, or the one about Malaysian schools holding anti-ISIS talks, or about the nuns in Italy, or the Scottish teachers, or Norway and tobacco, or Australia and solar power, or the Chinese communist party.... The list goes on and fucking on.
[–]itsaride 15 points16 points17 points  (17 children)
I'd never have known about this if it wasn't for /r/undelete. I ignore /r/news because 'murica and obviously don't read /r/germany . I can't think of a more appropriate sub than /r/worldnews since /r/europe is tiny in comparison .5 million vs 9.5million.
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-21 points-20 points-19 points  (16 children)
So since you've just found out you're interested in local European news, wouldn't it be a good time to subscribe to /r/europe then?
[–]Alekcam 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
What is your definition of local? I mean you can technically say all news is local. Honestly though, this is a major story that you should really consider allowing on the sub. You'll probably disregard what I say but I hope you reconsider your stance.
[–]compute_ 13 points14 points15 points  (13 children)
What I'm stunned by is not your original ignorance, but your complete insistence that you're in the right.
If enough people disagree with you, you might want to start just trying to see their point and being less dismissive.
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-18 points-17 points-16 points  (12 children)
enough people mostly /polacks /pol users (edited because some took offense at a term /pol uses to describe itself)
Trust me, we've experienced this before. The admins are dealing with the brigade right now.
[–]compute_ 7 points8 points9 points  (6 children)
Preface: Thanks for taking the time to write back to users who are currently fuming at you. Censorship makes me angry as well, but I recognize what you have to put up with and that brigading is a serious issue. And I forgive you due to your open discussion.
Many people care about getting news, not just brigaders. And many people despise censorship as well, as myself. Stop comforting yourself by telling yourself that you're in the right to ban it. Access to information is important to everyone.
Firstly, don't pull the racism card... I'm half-polish myself, so don't go there. The news titles were not racist- no racial slur or epithet was used (like polack)- and neither is the associated press and new york times. Reporting news in an unbiased and factual matter, as many of the titles were presented in, is only commendable and does not warrant a ban. Furthermore, however people interpreted the post and how stormfronters brigaded it has nothing to do with the post itself, which was not racist. They're interpreting it that way, and people should have the right to do that- without brigading.
So the admins are working with you on this? I'm sorry, but this can't be good PR...
How is this ethical to remove posts simply because you are afraid of people make their own judgements with their own opinions? The posts were only factual (associated press, new york times)...
Maybe you should just lock the post in order to prevent brigading of the comments instead of outright removing the posts, as /r/europe did. There's no reason why you shouldn't take it that way- after all, the upvote brigades don't have enough influence to change much. It's also not fair and is an insult to freedom of expression. 4chan's brigades (mostly based on racism, I'm guessing) should not deter us from getting our news information from your subreddit.
Your current "damage control" style of dealing with this situation is not good all around and is already leading to a Streisand effect of sorts.
Why should stupid 4channers brigading prevent us from getting our headlines from your sub? You're admitting then that the reason for the removal was because of the brigades, rather than breaking a rule.
People like me weren't part of the brigade, anyways, and shouldn't be punished for it.
I honestly think that you should approve one of the posts and then lock its discussion, linking to the 4chan brigades. If you think that removing it altogether was better PR- you're wrong. People are extremely angry at you and your team right now.
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (5 children)
You misunderstood, by polack I'm referring to /pol users, not Poles.
Off-site brigading is against the site-wide rules. Don't worry, people who aren't part of the brigade won't be punished.
Personally, I don't care about a Streisand effect. It's not like we want to silence the story. Like all other local rape and assault stories we just don't consider it appropriate for /r/worldnews and don't see a reason why we should make an exception.
The reason it was removed is because it's not major worldnews. The reason I don't care about the indignant mob is because I consider a majority of them to be brigaders and trolls. Not you of course.
I honestly think that you should approve one of the posts and then lock its discussion, linking to the 4chan brigades.
We considered doing that, but it would be giving in. If you let a brigade win, you're inviting more brigades.
[–]Vacation_Flu 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
Perhaps when you're desperately grasping at straws in a sad attempt to maintain the high ground, you should avoid ethnic slurs.
[–]green_flash -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
You're aware that /pol is short for politically incorrect and they describe themselves as /polacks?
Never mind, edited so as not to offend your safe space.
[–]itsaride 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I do sub to /r/europe but until now it wasn't on my frontpage, hence why I saw it on /r/undelete first. I also make a point of vistiting worldnews and a couple of other subs first because I expect most major international stories to be covered on worldnews.
[–]ehwhynotlol 25 points26 points27 points  (6 children)
Burn in a fire. You kept a local story about a woman being stoned in Yemen, but deleted my comment in the thread calling out your censorship.
You're a mentally-stunted cuckold and I hope we get Reddit to kick you out of your mod position. Trust me when I say that we're going to be trying :)
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-40 points-39 points-38 points  (5 children)
That comment was completely offtopic. But you're right, that story is also not appropriate.
[–]ehwhynotlol 19 points20 points21 points  (4 children)
You know, all I need to do is google ""green_flash" mod" to find that you have a history of censorship. I wonder what else I can find on there?
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-29 points-28 points-27 points  (3 children)
don't get your hopes up.
[–]Mantan1701 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
You're going down buddy. You and all your censoring commie freaks running that joint. We will find a way to take you all down and make you as guilty as those who did the actual assaults because your intent is to cover a world news subject. The censorship by the German media IS world news, and it took independent news sources to get them to expose how much of a crisis there REALLY is in Germany. Its world news related because these migrants are seeking refuge worldwide and are showing how they treat their hosts. Not world news my ass!!
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-22 points-21 points-20 points  (0 children)
[–]Mantan1701 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
How about you give us the explanation HERE, you fucking censoring communist!
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points  (1 child)
hey mccarthy, don't be so terribly lazy. I'm confident even you can find it. Not sooo many comments here.
[–]Mantan1701 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Read it, and its not an excuse. It has already become world news. Its a mass sexual assault of unprecedented scale that world newspapers have picked up on it. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html I'll keep posting this link for you in case that didn't become clear the FIRST FUCKING TIME!
[–]sushisection 8 points9 points10 points  (11 children)
So, why is a post about an earthquake in India allowed? Shouldnt it be posted in /r/earthquakes and not /r/worldnews?
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points  (10 children)
If the earthquake directly affected an area as big as the area directly affected by the mass groping it would certainly not be worldnews. Unfortunately the area affected by the earthquake was at least a thousand times larger than that.
[–]Choooooo_Choo 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Just chiming in. That is some failed logic on two fronts:
Front one. That this situation only affects 1000 people. There were only 1000 there true. But the blending of cultures via refugees is being experienced is worldwide. Hence this affects a large worldwide group.
Front two. That what happens to a small group is not world news. Example: say all the world leaders ate bad clam chouder at a summit and were hospitalized. Few dozen sick. World news.
You don't seem to understand your role or to have thought out your position or arguments.
In other words you're an asshole.
[–]elpaw 7 points8 points9 points  (7 children)
Why is rape in India a valid submission? I've seen plenty of posts about those occurrences
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (6 children)
It isn't. Unless the story is about failure of authorities to take a rape case seriously or it's a particularly gruesome case like the Delhi gang rape that triggers major protests. Actually, Indian rape stories being constantly upvoted were one of the main reasons why we started to crack down on local crime stories. In 2014 I think.
[–]Gnometard -1 points0 points1 point  (5 children)
This is about authority's inability to handle a large, unprecedented, situation. What's the difference?
[–]green_flash comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (4 children)
inability vs willful inaction
[–]junglemonkey47 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Why is it that stories about Scottish schoolkids, Australian solar power, and Norway being under preasure to ban tobacco, can make it to the front page, but a story about 1000 people sexually assaulting women in a major city, on NYE, get's deleted from r/worldnews[1] ?
[–]green_flash -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
answered
[–]Vacation_Flu 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Valid points vs grasping at straws.
[–]Gnometard 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
So we don't give a fuck of it's an unanticipated lack of resources that could potentially affect other places taking in large amounts of refugees?
Wouldn't spreading the word possibly prevent thousands more from Sexual assault?
[–]oldbluebox 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
That makes no sense.
[–]Phuk_The_Fat_Admins 87 points88 points89 points  (37 children)
Well duh. You didn't actually think liberals or sjw actually ever cared about rape victims did you? Of course they are censoring this story as fast as they can. It completely destroys their narrative of identity politics. In this particular case, the immigrants are ahead in oppression Olympics points. So who gives a shit if a bunch of women were raped? They were white and the rapists were not. This is standard liberal math. The reputation of the rapists is far more important than the victims of gang rape. Now of course, this would be reversed if the rapists were white as well. Then the entire internet would be ablaze with liberal buzzwords like rape culture.
Which is ironic don't you think? We have an actual no shit rape culture plain as day among these young male immigrants. But since they aren't white men, the liberals have to completely ignore it.
I love it. It's not every day you get to see such a large political movement completely implode. Every single one of these screeching harpies and leftist websites has lost all credibility. They can never again throw out their buzzwords without fear of being reminded of this very moment.
The day that we had one hundred or more women gang raped in pubic, and the entire social justice and liberal sphere completely ignored and/or victim blamed them.
[–]just_a_little_boy 23 points24 points25 points  (13 children)
Well your outrage is understandable, but you are hurting yourself and your own credibility if you are claiming that
one hundred or more women gang raped in public
while, in fact, there was sexual assault, maybe also rape, this is not completly clear, in at least 15 from the police confirmed instances. This is still a huge crime that should be reported, couppled with the theft and stealing (where the number "one hundred" comes from) in a public space. I mean, this points to a serious problem that HAS to be dealth with and that is not acceptable. A public space in a large German city should be a safe space for all individuals. And the fact that the police was present but didn't intervine also points to a failure among the police force.
This should sent a serious signal. It should be reported. It should be discussed. It shouldn't get deleted from Worldnews.
Edit: according to another German source, the "Focus", which isn't that reliable but kinda alright (a bit conservative-anti immegration) says that there was one case of rape among the cases of sexual assault.
And by the way, I'm a left leaning liberal ;) Although I'm not a fan of political correctness. Especially not if it goes against free speech of freedom of information....
[–]Phuk_The_Fat_Admins 11 points12 points13 points  (12 children)
Any liberal that retains a reverence for freedom of speech is ok with me.
[–]just_a_little_boy 20 points21 points22 points  (8 children)
I kinda don't get why a LIBERAL, a person that wants MORE rights and more freedom, would be in favor or limiting peoples freedom in a useless way. In my book, those people are not liberals.
Or at least that's not my idea of liberalism.
[–]mrmaster2 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
You are thinking of libertarianism, not liberalism.
[–]burbod01 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
Wouldn't they argue that freedom to do hurtful things isn't what freedom is all about?
I don't fucking get it. I worry at the same time movements like Anonymous will have enough electronic muscle to force their ideals on other people whenever they don't like something either. I know that's a tangent, but it's roughly related to the concept of a self-described "liberal" believing others have "wrong" ideas.
[–]just_a_little_boy 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Well I don't worry that much about Anonymous and I'm not sure you should either^
But the question if modern technology makes it easier for certain people to fore their will onto large groups of people is certinaly an interesting one. I guess this was what you were refering to?
[–]burbod01 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
More or less, and the likelihood that anyone in Anonymous probably would consider themselves more liberal than not.
[–]Patriark 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Unfortunately the word "liberal" in the United States today does not mean any thing similar to classical liberalism, which was the ideology the country was founded on. I'm saying this as a social liberal from Norway (I'd probably be counted as a communist in the States).
[–]just_a_little_boy 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Yes, you are right. I am also not from the US, so liberal actually means liberal where I am from. And US libertarians (who are quite often anarchos capitalists) somehow get confused with with liberals I feel like.
And it's nice to see some other left leaning people in this thread. Sometimes I get the feeling this subreddit is a bit misogynistic-racistic right leaning. (for example when I see the top comment in this thread) So thanks for your comment!
[–]MonkeyDeathCar 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Because the existence of Facebook means that nobody remembers the actual definitions of these words anymore, but everyone thinks they do
[–]Gnometard 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
He's confusing progressives with liberals, as progressives evolved from liberals
[–]just_a_little_boy 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
Also, here is video from the place where this happend, where you can see quite clearly that there are a lot of people there, and that there are certain problems among non africans, there were also fights among them, throwing explosives at other people (the guy who filmed it also said this). Which noth africans also did.....
Aswell, dunno if you are from the US or not, but on new year's eve, Germany kinda goes crazy. It's the only time in the year where you can buy firework legally and shoot it, so there are a ton of stories of people firing rockets at other people, down a street, onto a car etc. Or some other form of explosive thrown in the streets etc. Also, many people drink a lot, which doesn't exactly help. This is especially bad in central points in large cities. Munich, Berlin, Hamburg Köln but also most other big cities. I mean, this is a normal view in Hamburg. Specificlly at 5:10 to 5:40.
I mean, not to take anything away from the things that happend. They are terrible. And on such a large scale especially. But it's not some random night, and it's not a place that was suddenly stormed by recent immigrants who then stole and abused every woman that was present. It was a large hoard of drunken assholes that were "partying" among other people in a central place, and the police was near. Although they continued until 5 o'clock or so if I read it correctly, it could very well be that they were the only ones left at that our, which would also change the dynamic.
Another important things is that the people who commited these crimes were north african, at least that is what the police reported. I know that in a few refugee camps near me, the north africans don't get alon with Syrian at all since they frequently steal and start fights (the north africans). Dunno how appliable this is for the entirety of Germany, just important to make a distinction between the different groups. Sorry for my rambling. Just thought it would be important to understand this.
[–]compute_ -5 points-4 points-3 points  (1 child)
I'll stop you right there. You're justifying "rape culture". That's fucked up.
There were reports of over 80 women being sexually assaulted and at least one being raped. That's not fucking "partying" and it's not acceptable at ANY TIME, whoever did it.
It also sounds way more systematic to be a simple case of drunkenness.
/end of discussion
Edit: I reread your post, and it's more nuanced than I remembered it to be. Sorry about the angry comments. The ethnic distinction is important, but it seems like I read that it is pretty sure that many were arab as well (Associated Press).
My point is: regardless, it's a horrible thing, and just because you claim that it's normal for Germany doesn't mean it's right.
[–]just_a_little_boy 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
No it is in no way normal for Germany! That is not what I wanted to say.
I posted this in another commen in this thread:
This is still a huge crime that should be reported, couppled with the theft and stealing (where the number "one hundred" comes from) in a public space. I mean, this points to a serious problem that HAS to be dealth with and that is not acceptable. A public space in a large German city should be a safe space for all individuals. And the fact that the police was present but didn't intervine also points to a failure among the police force.
"Should be reported" was meant in such a way that it should be reported in the press/ on reddit.
And I also read a bit more, and there were arabs present aswell according to some of the reports I read. And I am not sure where you have the number of 80+ sexual abuses from? Although it really isn't relevant if we are talking about 15-20 or 80. It's bad regardless. One just sounds a bit worse.
And I have to say that the German media and police force is dealing with this better then the /r/worldnews mods.. it is getting reported in the News, the chief of the police union of the state in which it happend said that this is a massive infrigment on the constitutional rights of women and should be investigated and solved completly, even if the findings aren't what we would like them to be (politically). (Referring to the fact that it might very well be that quite some of those are immigrants from the recent years)
Also, many of the man were apparently connected to organized crime and were thieves that routinly steal from tourists, which might also explain why it was so hard to catch them, according to the police they changed their jackets, started to run immediatly etc. Also, what you see in the video was borken up by the police at 0:15 am already because of violence and reckless behaviour from, among other, those same people that later abused and stole from those women.
And I was highliting those sourrounding factors because they are, in my opinion, important to understand how the situation could get so out of hand. The fact that this was not a normal night were people just gatherd and started abusing women is important. Not to excuse this behaviour. But to highlight that this is not normal, everyday behaviour that regularly happens. And to show what factors might lead to such an escalation, namely already ties to criminal activity (=less respect for law and order, lower threshold for violence), lots of alcohol, large groups, a preoccupied police, many people in the street, lights, smoke and loud noise everywhere, preexisting opinions among a certain part of the population that correlates with nationality and religion, not because it is inherent to those nationalities or religions but because the education and the situation for womens rights and the AWARNESS for womens rights in those countries is, quite often, pretty bad.
Is it clearer now?
[–]myndzha 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
You didn't actually think liberals or sjw actually ever cared about rape victims did you?
EXACTLY. They do the shit they do because they want to be in the center of attention, they couldn't care less. This is also the type of person who would actively seek out moderation positions where you need to spent hours a day doing unpaid work. They are not some selfless beacons of humanity, no action is selfless.
[–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-15 points-14 points-13 points  (18 children)
For your argument here to hold water, it would have to be demonstrated that /r/worldnews removes ANY submission that portrays immigrants and refugees in a negative light. However, many such submissions have been highly upvoted to the frontpage of the sub:
...so, as you can see, we do not remove or 'censor' any submissions simply because they paint refugees or migrants in an unflattering light. However, local crime stories that involve not just migrants or refugees but that involve any persons from anywhere in the world are removed from the sub. As the welcome banner for the sub says, /r/worldnews is for 'major world news'. To pretend or imagine that ONLY refugee/migrant local crime stories are removed from the sub is flat out incorrect. As I said in another post, it is a policy that the sub has enforced for a very long time, and applies to local crime of all regions of the world.
Edit: also, not sure if regular users here are aware of this or not, but this issue is being brigaded by 4chan's /pol/:
...I thought this would be important to point out, as I know many here feel the issue of off-site brigading and manipulation of the sub is a serious issue.
[–]CuilRunnings 25 points26 points27 points  (8 children)
"China halts trading" is world news and the pan-European immigration crisis is not because ________?
"SpaceX" is world news and the pan-European immigration crisis is not because ________?
[–]DonTagoworldnews mod -2 points-1 points0 points  (5 children)
Where exactly did I state that the pan-European immigration crisis was NOT a major world news issue? Because I don't recall saying that anywhere... but I guess it is easy to make straw-man arguments when you fill my mouth with words of your choosing. If you follow the sub at all, you will see major news on the topic of the European immigration crisis appear in the sub daily.
[–]CuilRunnings 16 points17 points18 points  (4 children)
I apologize for misreading your argument. Why do you believe that this mass assault by refugees is not related to the pan-European immigration crisis, in a way that makes SpaceX more relevant to world news?
[EDIT: Suspended from reddit now, but here's my response, someone else post it for me:]
Well the one thing that is certain is that every report indicates that the harassment was committed by one world cultural group against a separate world cultural group. This to me seems like it is more "worldnews" than "SpaceX" or "Chinese stock trading," unless one is operating from a position of bias.
[–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points  (3 children)
Firstly, nothing in these articles says anything about the assailants being 'migrants' or 'refugees', at least the ones in English. It does say that a good deal of them were of MENA background, but, there are hundreds of thousand of people in Germany of MENA background that are native born Germans. To automatically assume that this incident is unquestionably and directly related to the recent immigrant/refugee (or overtly perpetrated by them) is not supported by these linked articles or proven by any source I have seen as of yet. Later follow up reports on this issue as it might relate to the pan-European immigration crisis may indeed end up being major world news... but we'll see how it develops. But as of now, this story appears to be a local crime issue.
[–]Arcturion 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
But as of now, this story appears to be a local crime issue.
As someone reading about this news from Asia, I have to correct your mistaken perception. This is world news. I find it troubling that the current system allows a select, privileged few with unaccountable taste to decide what we should or should not see.
[–]Mantan1701 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
...That has become WORLD news: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html NY TIMES is a US paper... this is now worldwide.
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    [–]Phuk_The_Fat_Admins 20 points21 points22 points  (0 children)
    An organized and concerted effort by German and international news outlets to silence this story of unprecedented violence is in itself world news. And they succeeded for 4 days. This wasn't local news outlets sitting on a story. This was every major leftist news organization sitting on a story that typically would have been huge. If only the attackers fit the narrative.
    If this story had immediately been reported on and covered like every other rape scandal in recent memory, I would be more willing to agree with your judgement. We drowned in Duke Lacrosse, UVA and mattress girl.
    Of course it's simply coincidence that all of these same news outlets that pumped out outrage 24/7 over UVA, happen to be totally silent in this case. Not a peep. Not even a tweet.
    I find the censorship and radio silence concerning this event by international media to be just as newsworthy as the event itself. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
    The damage has been done regardless. Delete away. At this point you are pushing water up a hill. This website has been losing credibility with anyone not in the far left for ages, this type of censorship is expected at this point.
    You are now a part of the story that is only "local" news, the various reasons for censorship supplied by mods across this website are being linked all over social media. It was expected that this story would die a quick death on any subreddit it was posted too, and of course that became reality. "Misleading title, politicized title, factually incorrect, racist," all various reasons for deletion supplied by mods of different subs.
    I'm sure you actually think your reasons for pruning this story are legitimate. Just like every other mod across dozens of subreddit who found a reason to delete any link to this story. It was expected that any mention of this story would quickly be silenced here. And boy did all of the various mods perform their duty well. Just like everyone else involved in news aggregating that happens to have a left leaning audience. Just hundreds of coincidences spanning 4 days.
    At least we know what to expect here. There is something to be said for reliability. Everyone outside of the hug box assumed what would happen here. And you wonderful reddit mods delivered in spades. Wouldn't want to infect this safe space with any offensive and racist reality.
    [–]daneelr_olivaw 12 points13 points14 points  (6 children)
    A gang rape of of one hundred women is a 'local crime story' to you, whilst the story of Julien Assange being wrongly accused of raping one woman was allowed to stay on /r/worldnews
    Is it possible for you to be a bigger hypocrite than you are right now? Then again, I think it is.
    [–]just_a_little_boy 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I agree with your criticism, but for it to be true you don't have to exagerate the story. The language used by the police and the politicans is unclear, if it was actually a mass rape spanning multiple hours (which I find unlikely) or if it was mostly sexual abuse without actual rape, which is still wrong, bad and outrageous! don't minsunderstand me here. But which is just not the same as a gang rape of one hundred women.
    According to this source, which is German so it might not be of much use to you, there are 80 women that were impacted. (and that have reported it to the Police)
    15 of these, one of those a police woman in civilian clothing, experienced sexual assault in varying degress. These numbers are most likely higher then 15, since it goes underreported most of the time.
    So we have 15 confirmed, potentially more, but most likely not 100, and those are not rapes.
    Or do you think I am mistaken? If so, please tell me!
    Edit: according to another German source, the "Focus", which isn't that reliable but kinda alright (a bit conservative-anti immegration) says that there was one case of rape among the cases of sexual assault.
    [–]green_flash -3 points-2 points-1 points  (4 children)
    A gang rape of 100 women? Where did this happen? According to the police a single incident is classified as rape.
    Some 60 criminal complaints have so far been filed, including one allegation of rape.
    If you think the Julian Assange case is prominent because of the rape I'm afraid we cannot help you.
    [–]Mantan1701 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    But in your SJW mindset, a simple sexual assault IS rape. At least if a white male does it. That's why you all believe a "rape culture" exists. Are you saying that the women ASKED for it? That they gave SOME indications it was okay? This is basically what you're saying.
    [–]green_flash -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
    But in your SJW mindset, a simple sexual assault IS rape.
    What do you know about my mindset? You seem to argue against tumblr. I'm not tumblr.
    At least if a white male does it.
    Why do you care about skin color so much? We do not allow stories about individual rape incidents in worldnews, period.
    Are you saying that the women ASKED for it? That they gave SOME indications it was okay? This is basically what you're saying.
    Wat? How do you infer that from my comments? I do not follow.
    [–]Mantan1701 -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Your mindset is that of an uncaring bastard. As long as YOU find it not to be world news, you're free to delete such posts because you've been given that power by God only knows whom. Second, it IS a matter of the culture, not the skin color. Those migrants come from areas where that kind of behavior is tolerated AND allowed. Third, this is not INDIVIDUAL, the SJW definition makes ANY AND ALL cases of Sexual Assault as rape. Your whole mindset is that "its only worldnews if this was on a worldwide scale" which this is. Wherever this culture goes, they bring their cultural mindset with them and commit these heinous acts as though its normal in our societies. I know you're about the SJW mindset, because your record indicates it.
    [–]daneelr_olivaw -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Gotta love the spin doctors of /r/worldnews.
    [–]RooHard 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    You couldn't really be any more disingenuous, so much trivial stuff is posted on worldnews and it doesn't get deleted.
    [–]ne99ne -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
    Someone is a powerful source of justice in his own mind.
    And that someone is you!
    [–]Phuk_The_Fat_Admins -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    What does that even mean? I'm not bringing anyone justice. I'm merely pointing out the elephant in the room.
    A false rape accusation made in a glossy magazine garnered 100x the outrage and attention of this event in Germany. Several hundred men, recent African and Islamic immigrants, sexually assaulted 60 plus women. In public. This news was censored and suppressed by the same media outlets that blew UVA into the stratosphere.
    I enjoy seeing stupid people stick themselves in untenable positions. Feminists, social justice warriors, and the new left have done exactly this to themselves, and I am enjoying watching them completely abandon these German victims. All of that talk about listen and believe, rape culture, rape apologists, victim blaming, where is it now? Where is the outrage? The demand for justice? The editorials lambasting this particular group of men in the same way fraternity men were?
    Oh yea. The attackers weren't white men. So as expected, no one gives a shit. Not only that, the leftists attempted to hide this story. It's even worse than not caring actually. They tried to silence these victims.
    Good thing the conservative media was willing to break the media silence and stand up for these victims. Someone had to do it. And it clearly wasn't going to be the tolerant and progressive left. I am glad Breitbart.com was there to listen and believe.
    [–]ne99ne -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Way too many words, didn't read beyond "what does that even mean?" but no quote so don't know what you are referring to.
    [–]Metallics 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
    r/askreddit is removing any questions about this too. I wish we could get someone like /u/qgyh2 or u/maxwellhill over here to explain why the news is being removed from a news sub.
    [–]just_a_little_boy 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
    Well in /r/askreddit, it might be understandable (mostly because it's not a news subreddit) but in /r/worldnews it's really dumb.
    [–]ehwhynotlol 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
    They deleted my comment about how they are deleting comments.
    The irony.
    [–]CelineHagbard 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    That's what irony is.
    [–]syuk 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    People in the threads saying they are in Germany and not seen this news much.
    [–]Schicksalsklinge 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    it spreads around the mainstreammedia after 4 days, but just in tiny Topics, you have to search them to find them
    [–]TotesMessenger 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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    [–]NetPotionNr9 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Is there no way to appeal to Reddit HQ or admins regarding such a vile abuse?
    [–]NetPotionNr9 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Anyone try posting it to feminist and women's rights subs?
    [–]SoaringChickenNugget 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It was removed from r/TwoXChromosomes. I'm not sure about others.
    [–]Schicksalsklinge 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    also made 4 Posts about it, got lost
    [–]Cacciaguida 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    "migrants"
    [–]testiclesofscrotum 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Isn't /r/worldnews the same sub which has rape related news from India on the front page ever so often? Even when it's a 'local incidence'?
    [–]BrandyeB 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Can't someone with more respect for freedom of speech create a news subreddit. Call it FreeWorldNews or something.?
    [–]SoaringChickenNugget 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It will be the same with that too. Honestly I think the best way is to boycott the site, but I know not everyone will want to do that.
    Something needs to be done. If they are willing to cover up stories like this then we don't know what will be next.
    [–]mattedinnards 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    I'm about as vehemently opposed to accepting Syrian refugees as they come, but these articles are of very poor quality and I don't think they should meet the quality standards of a default sub. Here's an actual German news report that includes a brief interview with the police chief.
    and another:
    [–]tk_icepick 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    How poor is the quality? I think the New York Times is about as good as it gets.
    [–]Offdutybrazilliancop 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    quality standards of a default sub
    That's a good one.
    [–]AnnArchist 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    /r/worldpolitics will not do this....
    [–]vacuu 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Where the hell are all the feminists?
    [–]Diaz218 comment score below threshold-18 points-17 points-16 points  (8 children)
    This is very offensive. Please remove.
    [–]D45_B053 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
    I think it should stay BECAUSE it's offensive to somebody. If the only things we see are things that agree with what we think, we end up in an echo chamber and cannot accurately form arguments when we're challenged to do so.
    [–]Diaz218 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
    How the fuck did people think I wasn't satirical? Jesus you fucking cucks.
    [–]ne99ne 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    Oooohhhh! That's it!
    You learned "cucks" and couldn't wait to try it out. Got it.
    [–]Diaz218 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    No, libtard, I have known about that word since /tv/ started spamming that word more than a year ago.
    And please don't claim you aren't a liberal, I have checked your post history, you are a degenerate liberal that will die on the day of the rope.
    [–]ne99ne 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    libtard
    HA HA HA! I get it! Its "liberal" and "retard" combined together!
    TOO FUNNY!!!
    Did you make it up yourself? So clever and witty of you!!
    [–]ne99ne 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I have checked your post history
    creepy internet stalker type
    [–]D45_B053 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Tone is next to impossible to convey through text, as any intelligent person would realize. Perhaps next time use a "/s"?
    [–]ne99ne 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I am so confused.
    What, exactly, is offensive and should be removed?
    [–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-31 points-30 points-29 points  (35 children)
    It has been standard policy for some time in the sub to remove submissions that strictly pertain to local crime issues, such as robbery, assault, rape, theft, and other such isolated local crimes. This is a policy applied across all topics and world regions, and is not exclusive to any particular group of people or world region. This policy is intended to ensure the focus of the sub is 'major world news', as the sub's welcome banner states, and to avoid situations where local crime stories obscure and overshadow major world news.
    I know OP and probably everyone else here will frame this to be 'evil SJW mods want to hide this', but I can 100% assure you that has nothing to do with this removal. We remove all such local crime stories. Furthermore, the sub is a constant source of news on the migrant crisis in Europe, from ALL perspectives of the issue.
    [–]JamesColesPardon 22 points23 points24 points  (10 children)
    I'll remember this post the next time a stabbing in Israel stays top 3 all day.
    Whenever I report those posts as local crime stories, I get ignored (by the mods) and downvoted (by the community).
    [–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points  (9 children)
    Local crime stories about isolated stabbings and assaults in the West Bank and Jerusalem are removed regularly.
    [–]remzem 7 points8 points9 points  (6 children)
    The 2nd most upvoted post in the last month is about some firings in a rural town south of the US border. How is that major world news?
    If you want it to only be about major world news that's fine, but there is quite a lot of contradictory evidence to that claim. Makes the mod team look like a bunch of fools and/or hypocrites.
    [–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (5 children)
    The policy of removals is for 'local crime stories'... the story about the mass firings in Mexico was not a local crime story.
    [–]MacroSolid 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
    Neither is this, it happened in several cities on the same day.
    But we all know you are lying through your teeth. You're censoring this because you want as few people as possible to learn about it.
    [–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (2 children)
    Please, inform me what I am lying about.
    [–]MacroSolid 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
    You are lying about the reason for removing all incarnations of this news story that very clearly IS worldnews what with being in the news all over the world.
    [–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
    I mean, whatever dude. Clearly nothing I say can change your mind, as it is obviously already made up. Think whatever you'd like. It won't hurt me in the slightest.
    [–]remzem 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    So if a cat was rescued from a tree in my city I could post that in worldnews since it isn't a crime? That's some smart rulemaking.
    [–]ehwhynotlol 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
    isolated
    We're talking about rape en masse, more than 80 victims. Jesus Christ, you're a terrible person. How do you sleep at night? Let's see if you're still mod in a couple weeks.
    [–]Mantan1701 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    And in the SJW definition, it WOULD be RAPE, not just simple sexual assault.
    [–]StupidQuestionLogs 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
    But how is this not world news? Clearly the implication here is that at least some of the individuals involved were migrants who recently came to Germany and thus are connected to a hugely relevant world news topic. Not only is it connected, but the whole controversy surroundings the migrants coming in part fueled by adamant fears of migrants coming in and raising the crime rate. So this is directly tied to a world news event (migration) and also tied to why this event is news worthy in the first place (fears of rising crime fuel the controversy over migration). It is also a major enough event to meet any reasonable size threshold (with 60 assaults reported). The article is also written by the associated press (the one I saw posted most often) and is published on the New York Times website, so there is not a credibility issue. Simply put this is worldnews worthy.
    [–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (3 children)
    Clearly the implication here is that at least some of the individuals involved were migrants who recently came to Germany
    ...where is there evidence of that? Please point me to a report that corroborates that statement.
    [–]StupidQuestionLogs 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
    If you do not speak German then hit translate and go to the end of the article.
    Edit: So does this go onto r/worldnews now since the implication is plausible? Are the Mods just banning this post because 4chan is involved? Because I can understand taking measures to stop site manipulation, but if that is the case please state it because I fucking love reddit and it is really messing with me that censorship like this is happening on r/worldnews
    [–]TransitioningToVoat 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Move to voat. Every single major default subreddit here is moderated by shills.
    [–]itsaride 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Voat is a very pale imitation, the mods in some subs here just need to learn to be more hands-off and let the voting take care of things.
    [–]teamjacobXteamtrevor 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
    I want to ask you to consider that these stories, while not involving world powers interacting, are important as indications of greater social unrest, which makes them important to the world scene. It's intellectually dishonest, and troubling, to claim that waves of behavior only impact the direct victims. Everything that happens is local to somewhere, but can also be important to international readers.
    [–]Phuk_The_Fat_Admins 16 points17 points18 points  (10 children)
    Lol you actually expect anyone with half a brain to believe this? We have a Guiness Book of World Records level mass rape occur in a first world country, and it's actively hidden by every major media outlet in the region for 4 days. The police chief admits it's a level of violence never before seen.
    This wasn't one woman being groped behind the bleachers at the local school. This was a massive event on par with attacks previously seen in Egypt or India. Actually maybe even bigger. I can recall no stories ever of an event like this happening on such a large scale, in any country. And those stories about Egypt were world news, and rightly so. They were a hotbed of discussion all across this website.
    Furthermore, the implication is that the only place news of this event is being deleted is here. That it's just regular cleanup. This is not the case. The entire left wing media sphere, the same outlets leading the charge against college rape culture, are silent. Salon, Huff Post, Slate, MSNBC, even CNN, total radio silence.
    Regardless of how you personally feel about this event, or how little you care about rape culture, the fact is that when you view the big picture here, this is a HUGE fucking story. And the complete censorship of this story by mods all across this website is a part of it.
    Surely it's a coincidence that the only media covering this happen to be independent or conservative. Surely it's a coincidence that the same moderators who allow months of UVA and Duke Lacrosse discussion are censoring this incident as quickly as they can.
    So in your opinion, how many women have to be raped in one event for it to become world news? Clearly it's not one hundred. Should the new doctors, engineers and lawyers in Western Europe rape a thousand next time? Is that enough victims for you to deem it worthy?
    [–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-15 points-14 points-13 points  (9 children)
    If you want to discuss the issue, I am all for that, but please, don't misrepresent the facts to suit your argument... only one woman reported being raped, as I pointed out to another user here from the NYT article:
    Some 60 criminal complaints have so far been filed, including one allegation of rape.
    [–]Phuk_The_Fat_Admins 22 points23 points24 points  (0 children)
    My mistake, I forgot that since we are in damage control mode here, and these aren't white male college students, we are using the old definition of rape.
    I should clarify and say that a hundred women were sexually assaulted. Having a finger shoved up their ass or having their breasts groped by a hundred strange hands is only rape when we want to be outraged at young white men.
    Should we also ensure that we describe what clothes the victims were wearing, how skimpy they were, and how drunk the women were? Probably was their fault for provoking the poor oppressed immigrants. What did they expect to happen parading around like slutty western whores in front of those helpless young men?
    [–]Schicksalsklinge 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    a woman described her cultural enrichment like this: she had fingers in every hole. so tell me, this isnt rape? such Events occured in quite a few Major german cities, if you want i will give you the links. but this doesnt matter, history will repeat anyway, you cant stop genetics, you cant.
    [–]Mantan1701 6 points7 points8 points  (5 children)
    In your defintion, its rape when white men sexually assault women, but when minorities do it, its not major record breaking sexual assault that is newsworthy? I would love to meet you in person and hear this from your own voice.
    [–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (4 children)
    I would love to meet you in person and hear this from your own voice
    ...well, you won't have to worry about that because a.) It never said that and b.) I don't even agree with that sentiment. What is it with users in this thread and sensationalist straw man arguments? As was mentioned before, assault and rape articles are often removed from the sub for being local crime stories... not just in this instance.
    [–]Mantan1701 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    Strawman my ass! You're being called out for your terrible defense of your reasonings. Your whole system is being exposed. You are censoring a world news subject, claiming its just a local incident when its not JUST a local incident, its more Eurowide and soon to be worldwide. But hey, those factoids don't matter because it's only "local news" Again I will tell you to go fuck yourselves!
    [–]Mantan1701 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
    This is NOT a "local crime" anymore when it becomes worldwide news. What part of that don't you understand?
    [–]sushisection 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    "Local crime" ... Except the New York Times is reporting on it. Last time I checked, New York wasnt anywhere near Germany
    [–]Mantan1701 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    That's what I've been saying to them.
    [–]ksak comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
    it's good your responding to these comments, but i'm not sure some of these wackos deserve a response. it's a waste of your time to argue with some one who makes up their own facts and definitions.
    [–]botevilgaze3 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
    some dude named george shooting some kid named angel baby trayvon was a local crime incident...
    before the media decided it wasn't. it's only a local crime incident when fags like you don't want the story to snowball and get exposure. reddit is a huge site. can't imagine why dickhole mods like you wouldn't want any story you don't like going viral and forcing the biased mainstream media to pick it up.
    you fucking loser
    [–]DonTagoworldnews mod comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (1 child)
    Thanks for the kind words!
    [–]botevilgaze3 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    fuck you faggot. fucked up worldnews and videos as well. wouldn't expect less from a jerkoff with half a million karma. get a fucking life.
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