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[–]Mfran1989 96ポイント97ポイント  (41子コメント)

When it comes to foreign policy, Rand seems to be the only sane candidate up there for the GOP. He absolutely nails it every time in my opinion.

Christie and Fiorina in particular are bat shit crazy in how they would handle Russia

[–]g4r4e0g [スコア非表示]  (29子コメント)

Christie said he would shoot down Russian planes, enforcing a no-fly-zone that we have no territorial rights to. Then Paul responding that Christie is your candidate if you want WWIII. That was a great contrast.

Rand certainly had the better approach imo and I hope most Americans agree.

[–]Meatmehalfway [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

They don't. They were cheering for Christie.

[–]Bojenkins [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

That is why i don't think there should be crowds at these debates. It creates a hivemind effect from a small sample size and expands that to a national audience

[–]mersh547 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The introduction really blew my mind. It reminded me of being at an NBA game where they were introducing the players.

[–]DJ_Theo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This whole campaign has been reality theater, why do you think the media mogul who had his own reality show on television is leading right now?

[–]ThePerfectBeard [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is absolutely it. People don't use critical thinking and they just go a long with whatever gets the biggest cheers. God this country is so stupid.

[–]comjaw [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

The GOP want a world war I guess.

[–]DarehMeyod [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

They do and if you don't want World War III you're a liberal hippie pussy. I've actually been told that before it's sickening

[–]CallRespiratory [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yup, agree and hear the same. There's constant sabre rattling and its mostly from people that would never have to actually fight. But they'll call you a coward and Un-American if you aren't willing.

[–]ngxp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe it's not only Flint that has lead in its water.

[–]curly_spork [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No. Republican here. I agree with Rand. I disagree with Hillary, whose policy looks like Christie's. But sure, keep up that troupe of the GOP wanting war, when Hillary the war hawk is about disrupting regions.

[–]DarehMeyod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Both sides of the spectrum are guilty of blanket statements. But all I see from "republicans" on social media is how weak Obama is and that we need to stand up to Russia and everyone else more. I voice my opinion and more often than not they blanket me with the whole liberal tree hugging pussy line.

[–]nfirm [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Hillary was calling for enforcing a no fly zone in Syria as well and she has steadily been polling at more than 50% for a few months. It unfortunately isn't just a GOP problem.

[–]Aquaman5000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't be fooled, Hillary is very hawkish, more so than Obama.

[–]comjaw [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

She mentioned the idea a day after Russia started the bombing and did not make it an official position. I don't know if she wanted Russia part of the coalition or not. She never mentioned Russian planes as the issue.

[–]mclumber1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Pretty dumb to enact a no fly zone on a country that is currently dominating the air already.

[–]DJ_Theo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It'll make all their buddies in the defense industry rich!

[–]Crippled_Giraffe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The people in the room are not representative of most Americans.

[–]adamv2 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't think so. Rand got loud cheers every time he spoke. Unfortunately I think that's because a small group of his supporters were in the crowd and very loud and vocal, and not because the rest of the audience agreed with him.

[–]mersh547 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately I think that's because a small group of his supporters were in the crowd and very loud and vocal, and not because the rest of the audience agreed with him.

Pretty much this. Sounded like the same cheering section each time.

[–]lolsociety [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was a small crowd of mostly wealthy people. But you're probably right, anyway.

[–]CallRespiratory [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Bonehead, armchair chicken hawks do want WWIII. They don't see themselves having to do any fighting.

[–]marauder1776 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Their kids are often too fat or strung out to ever pass a physical to serve, too.

[–]gk0420 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What's scary is I think these crazy people think that a war with Russia can be "contained". Now I'm not saying that if Americans and Russians start killing one another in Syria that it will definitely lead to a nuclear exchange between us, but anyone who guarantees that it can't end that way is delusional. That's why I think trying to avoid a shooting war with Russia except for our most important and vital interests is a necessity. I can't think of anything going on in Syria that even approaches a vital American interest, and that's why I'm worried about essentially all of the Republicans and Hillary.

[–]DJ_Theo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If we blatantly shoot down a Russian plane in Syria as Chrstie suggests, don't be surprised when nuclear warheads start raining down on us next. You're right though, other than GOP candidates basking in the chance to puff out their chests and wave their big military dicks in everyone's face, there's zero American interest to be had in that desert shithole.

[–]gk0420 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm just saying that I don't know if we shoot down a Russian plane, the next day DC and NYC get hit. But it definitely could end up at that point as shit escalates. I'm just in shock that our national political class is so profoundly reckless.

Edit : grammar

[–]James_LeFleur [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You don't fucking understand, mate. Chris Christie was appointed US Attorney September 10, 2001 then the next day he saw the destruction and terror caused by those feckless, weak-spined pussy bitch cowards so he went down there to the rubble and personally punched a hijacker in the fucking face, causing his head to explode and his tiny spine to crumble into dust. He is the ONLY candidate that will protect every American family and if you think that Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama will do that then buddy you are out of luck.

[–]Lord-of-the-manor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He only reminded you every. fucking. time. he spoke.

[–]sunwukong155 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Trumps answer to this very same question was pretty much 99% the same. Same with Cruz and Carson.

[–]CaptainFantastic8 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Trump also for breaking international law and killing innocent civilians in Syria. His reasoning, "If they can kill us why can't we kill them" Are you fucking kidding me?

[–]GenericReditAccount [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I doubt he'll see his poll numbers slide the way he should bc of it, but last night's debate showed Trump for the school yard bully he really is.

Jeb! has the guts to call him out and instead of providing rational explanations of why Jeb! is wrong, Trump resorts immediately to throwing low blow insults. When pressed on carpet bombing civilians, his only response is "They're doing it. Why can't we?!" And then when the crowd FINALLY has a moment of clarity and boos the man, instead of trying to understand the opinion or reexplain the idea that garnered the boos, he basically tells the crowd they don't know what they are talking about....and the crowd cheers!

If last night doesn't convince his base that he's puddle deep, than all hope may be lost.

[–]sunwukong155 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

We already so this..

[–]TokyoJokeyo [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Not intentionally--that's a pretty big difference.

[–]sunwukong155 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

And you genuinely believe trump will kill innocents intentionally? You're blatantly taking his comments out or context and skewing their meaning for your own agenda.

He's talking about the inevitabilities of war. Civilians die in war and he understands this. He just wasn't tactful about it.

[–]TokyoJokeyo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure Trump is ever confident in the meaning of the words he's saying, but he did say that we should "take out" terrorists' families. And in defending that statement at the debate, he said that "[f]rankly, that will make people think, because they may not care much about their lives, but they do care, believe it or not, about their families' lives."

That hardly sounds like the inevitability of war, but rather a deliberate approach.

[–]mclumber1 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Trump last night:

“I would be very, very firm with families,” he added. “Frankly, that will make people think, because they may not care much about their lives, but they do care, believe it or not, about their families’ lives.”

It sounds like he would intentionally, deliberately kill the families of terrorists and terrorist suspects. Can you help me out here?

[–]sunwukong155 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Sounds like you don't understand his comments at all. He is saying if terrorists cared about their families they wouldn't continue terrorism. Their actions being about the collateral damage.

He's shifting the blame of collateral damage to terrorists rather than accepting the blame America gets for it. You can see that as bad in of itself but it's not what you make it out to be.

[–]mclumber1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I guess I don't understand. Would Trump kill the family of a suspected terrorist if it also meant we could kill the suspect as well? What about after the fact?

[–]diffiehellman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's too bad the base will never give him the primary though.

[–]AsianBlue 48ポイント49ポイント  (13子コメント)

Rand was the only one telling like it is, endless war and a massive military doesn't solve anything. I wanted Rand to scream "What the fuck is wrong with you people! You applaud Christie for suggesting war with Russia, you applaud Trump for killing families of Isis, and you applaud Cruz for carpet bombing innocent civilians in Isis territories. Screw this, I'm outta here, you people are nuts.

[–]sunwukong155 [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Bullshit. Trump condemned our wars in Iraq and our involvement in Syria and Libya. He said he wished we had those trillions spent on war back so it could be spent on education and infrustructure. He was criticized for sounding like Obama.

[–]GenericReditAccount [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You're not wrong, but neither is the other guy. Even though Trump did say he wishes we had spent that money at home, he also proposes to kill the families of terrorists, with no justification other than "if they can do it, why can't we?!"

There are some instances where Trump's "common sense" turns out to be logical politically. Unfortunately there seem to be far greater instances where he sounds like nothing more than a school yard bully.

[–]sunwukong155 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I agree but it's important to note the difference between wanting to attack ISIS and supporting regime change. The majority of the world is fighting ISIS, but America is alone in its rabid desire to oust Assad. We saw several candidates beating the war drums in that debate about fighting Assad.

Trump has a better foreign policy than Rand on this. He put it perfectly last night, we gotta do one thing at a time. We fight ISIS. ISIS fights Assad. We fight Assad. Assad fights ISIS. It's chaos.

We also should not back away in our role of fighting ISIS and radical Islam. And I doubt Rand would do that himself despite his rhetoric.

[–]TokyoJokeyo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But Rand himself said that he does want the United States to fight ISIS--but the effort has to be led by Arab countries. He'd much rather broker a deal on cooperation against ISIS than make it an American effort, whereas Trump has more of a unilateral approach in mind.

[–]ThePodThatWasPromisd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He also said we should kill the families of terrorists.

[–]SphereCuck [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Rest it man. Whatever Trump says will be twisted and used against him by the MSM and some subreddits like this one.

[–]stonebone4 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trump twists his own words to fit whatever he thinks the pollsters want to hear, don't blame it on the MSM.

[–]marauder1776 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He should run as an independent. I dislike him fiercely but it would be good for America.

[–]KimchiBro 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

besides being the only sane Republican running, his stance on foreign policy is even more sane than the democratic frontrunner Hillary

[–]taiyoukei 56ポイント57ポイント  (9子コメント)

Rand Paul is the only sane Republican running. He'll be opposed for that very reason because sanity is no longer allowed in the GOP.

[–]dwf1967 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

I am from Kentucky and I have lots of issues with Rand. That said, he is spot on here.

[–]taiyoukei 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rand isn't perfect but he's the best of a bad group of candidates. We have a loud mouth blowhard named Trump, we have NeoCon PNAC goon named Jeb that belongs in prison for the 2000 election fraud, then we have a whole group of puppets who only exist to prop up the status quo, and all supported Bush and the Iraq war and other such disastrous policies. Rand brings much needed change, the current system can't be defended.

[–]nived321[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder what the Statute of limitations are regarding high treason?

[–]PillsburyThrowboy 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm from Kentucky too. I'm liking him more and more each day. Now as for Bevin, I'm terrified of the future.

[–]Cole7rain [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well his slogan quite literally is "Defeat the Washington machine".

[–]stealthmoe 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

But sadly, fear mongering wins the nomination and I voted for his dad in 2008.

[–]James_LeFleur [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ron came really close to fucking up Romney's nomination, though. I hope people who agree with Rand will show up to support him on their election day. I hate when someone says "Oh I agree with Rand" or "Oh I agree with Bernie" but then say "but they can't win the election, so I'm voting for Trump/Bush/Clinton"

Good on you for voting Ron and not just voting for a party.

[–]Ravage123 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually Agree with Rand on foreign policy, surprisingly.

[–]ph33randloathing [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

His foreign policy is as insightful as his domestic policy is awful. That's the Rand Paul conundrum.

[–]SemolinaChessNut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He'd be a great secretary of state for which ever party wins the presidency.

[–]g4r4e0g [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

What don't you like about his domestic policy?

[–]kanst [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Personally, I don't like leaving important social issues to the states. I don't like the idea that a gay person, or a black person, or a muslim would have less rights because they are in Alabama than they would have if they were in Massachusetts.

[–]pillsneedlespowders [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

He's half libertarian half traditional republican, that's not a recipe for anything but disaster.

[–]g4r4e0g [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I was wondering specifically what you don't like.

[–]Kaiosama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He's one of those libertarians still touting the fallacy that the 'free market' can regulate itself despite the fact that it's plainly evident many actors in this supposed free market literally outright fund and own our politicians therefore pushing for bills and laws constantly aiming at benefitting themselves at the cost of the American public.

And you see this across the board for everything from the debate over monopolistic ISPs to the fiscal crisis of 2008 brought about by banks pushing for and succeeding in passing a massive deregulation law literally a decade earlier.

The free market is not a rational entity and yet people like Rand Paul build their entire approach to domestic policy ignoring this reality.

I personally don't agree with his views on taxes as well but that's another topic I don't have time to get into.

[–]PragmaticStatistic2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Rand was correct in that the U.S. destabilized the Middle East with our tinkering in their affairs and getting involved in their civil wars. What most of those Republican candidates don't remember is that Assad was a Bush ally.

One of the problems we have with our attempt to spread our version of democracy world wide is that the rest of the world does not understand how so many different factions within the U.S., who disagree with each other, form a functional government. Especially when a small extremist group can shut down government in a form of blackmail in order to get their way. What we are showing the world right now is that fear is an American political agenda to the benefit of 9 candidates running for president. Its more about their personal agenda than our security because they have done nothing to stop the mass killings that far outnumber the ISIS terrorist actions in the U.S. to date.

These same Republicans don't want you to remember that during the second term of the Reagan Administration senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo. Or that on June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline that the "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq." Thus the very weapons and training ISIS is taking advantage of was supplied by the GOP. Check it out here)and here.

[–]DanPlainviewIV [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Exactly, the past decade and a half the US has been in business of outing dictators. The result has been instability. Have we not learned anything!?!

[–]nealski77 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I hate to say it but the Middle East can not adjust to Western Democracy. We're asking countries who have had centuries of preestablished thought on governance to change their systems overnight and we expect them to like us for it?

[–]ImmortanDan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny, Rand and Trump are almost on the same page when it comes to Assad, Syria, and Russia.

[–]Wicked_Truth -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Assad is already a failed middle eastern leader. So, Rand is defying common sense logic by assuming "the devil we know is better than the devil we don't".

[–]Ufacked599 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

we know both devils though, if assad was removed a few years back, it would have created a vacuum that would have been filled by ISIS, just like in iraq

[–]Danglybeads [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The level of ignorance here is ridiculous, Syria is in a worse condition now than Iraq ever was or ever will be more people have died this year in Syria then will die in probably the next three in Iraq. The vacuum's already there, ISIS is spillover from Syria into Iraq not the other way around, had Assad been deposed early there would be huge conflict but not among people as radicalized as Al Nusra and ISIS.

[–]mclumber1 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Syria is in a worse condition now because the US and Europe have attempted to destabilize Assad by funding the "moderate" rebels and arming them as well. Maybe if we would have stayed out of Syria's internal conflicts, Assad could have regained rebel territory and ISIS wouldn't be the threat it is now.

[–]Danglybeads [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well the United States and Europe didn't get involved really in the conflict until 2013 so maybe if Russia hadn't armed Assad and the Syrian government while he was killing tens of thousands civilians Syria would be in a better condition. I think he should have been removed quickly before the FSA who were mostly good people fighting against a tyrannical leader killing people in the tens of thousands became radicalized and joined Al Nusra and ISIS.

[–]mclumber1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Or we could just mind our own business. Assad didn't attack America or Europe. We have no business being involved in their civil war.

[–]theangryvet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Washington Times, for the longest time I thought it was a parody site. Then I interned in DC and found there are people that take it seriously. Needless to say, I was shocked. It RT only American.

[–]CharlieDarwin2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But, Turkey and the House of Saud don't like Assad. What can the USA do?

[–]J0NNYquid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Rand really impressed me last night. Pity that the that endear him to me are the same things that make him unelectable in today's GOP.

[–]ludachrisis2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

EDIT If you're gonna downvote I'd at least like a debate, this subreddit but I actually Agree with Rand on foreign policy, surprisingly.

[–]toosinbeymen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm sure the author of this article wrote something very similar early in 2003 before gwb/cheney invaded Iraq, no?