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[–]HippeHoppeFiat justitia, pereat mundus 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

"You get to decide what you eat/wear/drink/practice/play/watch! Except you can't decide what your neighbors eat/wear/drink/practice/play/watch!"

Yeah, that's the point, dumbass.

[–]landonsheckard 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Isn't that just life?

[–]ProjectD13XI hate roads 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not if you're an authoritarian who thinks they'll be the ones with power!

[–]of_ice_and_rockwho can promise like a sovereign: goo.gl/xq8rDt -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

And that ethic has never existed in all of history.

Hmm, maybe economics isn't actually on the side of NAP minimalists.

People have always taken an interest in social externalities. It's what 'society' is itself, "dumbass."

[–]_sylex_it all comes down to subjective valuation 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Capitalism is just a set of economic technologies. Just like any technology, it needs to be adopted before we can judge it's efficacy (don't get me wrong, speculation and educated guesses are perfectly legitimate prejudgment ways of discussing a technology before its widespread adoption).

However I like to think of it with this analogy:

Even though computers did not exist for thousands of years of human history before they were invented, before their widespread adoption we would have been incorrect in assuming that they therefore are not "on the side" of economics.

[–]of_ice_and_rockwho can promise like a sovereign: goo.gl/xq8rDt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Capitalism is not the totality of human action and neither is the money economy the only economy.

Realizing this provides one with the opportunity to understand the diversity of polities throughout history.

Even though computers did not exist for thousands of years of human history before they were invented, before their widespread adoption we would have been incorrect in assuming that they therefore are not "on the side" of economics.

Except I am arguing with something that was materially possible, but could not establish itself: only a money economy existing, without regard to the preceding status economy or built cultural capital.

It's essentially a society of diaspora, which repeatedly demonstrated it couldn't establish itself, hence migration.

Anarcho-Capitalism is the effort to grant only the money economy existence, to deny all landed phenomena political legitimacy or power. Well, history already has a harsh verdict for that ethic.

[–]YesYesLibertariansThe Man Who Discovered England 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Guess those poor folks in New Hampshire don't have the right to decide whether they want some obnoxious New Yorker as a neighbor.

/rimshot

[–]Foofed_the universe don't be like it is but it do 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

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[–]Foofed_the universe don't be like it is but it do 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]SnakesoverEaglesAnti-Voluntaryist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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[–]salacioAnarcho-Capitalist 12ポイント13ポイント  (90子コメント)

So is he pretty much an nxr now?

[–]PierrePutinCrypto-Anarchist[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (81子コメント)

[–]Muffinator4Friedmanite 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

What does this mean?

[–]SnakesoverEaglesAnti-Voluntaryist 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." - Yes.

"88 precepts" - Not so much.

[–]PendaOfMerciaIts better to be a planner than to be planned. 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

88 - HH - Heil Hitler

Thats also a common interpretation

[–]Muffinator4Friedmanite 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

Holy shit what the fuck lol

[–]SnakesoverEaglesAnti-Voluntaryist -2ポイント-1ポイント  (10子コメント)

I know right, those damn people who want to exist.

[–]compliancekid78stark staring sane 11ポイント12ポイント  (63子コメント)

Holy crap.

Everything I ever said about him that was positive - I take it back.

[–]retorikerAve, Europa, nostra vera patria! -1ポイント0ポイント  (62子コメント)

Do you think there's something bad with 14?

[–]InitiumNovumFisting deep for liberty 13ポイント14ポイント  (26子コメント)

“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children.”

Of course the 14 words are bad. They basically try to forward the ridiculous far-right contention that evil (i.e. white people) deserves to exist.

[–]-Venator- -2ポイント-1ポイント  (25子コメント)

Blacks can be proud of being black

Mestizos can be proud of being mestizo

Asians can be proud of being asian

Jews can be proud of being jews

But under no circumstances can a white person be proud of being white. That is absolutely unacceptable and it makes them a neo nazi.

Edit: Change "can be" to "encouraged to be".

[–]Erebus_BlackAnarcho-Capitalist 9ポイント10ポイント  (23子コメント)

There is a double standard sure, but it is stupid.

It is ridiculous to be proud of something you do not choose to do. You are born white, black, asian etc...

You don't have to do anything at all, it was assigned at birth.

[–]retorikerAve, Europa, nostra vera patria! 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

Is it ridiculous to be proud of your parents?

[–]DerelictionAgorist 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

For just being white or black or whatever they just happened to be born as? Yes, ridiculous.

[–]retorikerAve, Europa, nostra vera patria! -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, being proud of them as people.

[–]Erebus_BlackAnarcho-Capitalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Proud of them for what? If they raised you well, wouldn't you want to be grateful rather than proud?

[–]retorikerAve, Europa, nostra vera patria! -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they raised you well, wouldn't you want to be grateful rather than proud?

Maybe, but do you think it is ridiculous?

-Are you proud of me, son?

-No Dad I why should I be proud of you? It's not like I have anything to do with you as a father. Your way of thinking is also dangerous, as it leads to statism and racism. Also, would you ever initiate violence against me?

And thus, the young voluntarist defoo'd his father. At least he says that he did, but his father claims to have disowned his son for being an absolute nutcase.

[–]Nellerin 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Lol, what. Proud of them FOR WHAT THEY DID....not THEIR COLOR.

If you are proud of them for being white, that's incredibly silly.

[–]retorikerAve, Europa, nostra vera patria! -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Still, you're being proud of something you had "nothing to do with", just like you didn't have anything to do with their skin color, you had nothing to do with their decision to conceive and raise you.

So why should you be proud of what your parents?

[–]Cole7rainThe guy you REALLY want to have a beer with. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly it's not specifically being proud of being white, it's just having an appreciation for your ancestors and the culture they built and trying to live up to their moral standards and improve upon them.

Because (for example) that's what I mean when I say I'm proud of my Scottish heritage, because as a Canadian I know for a fact that Scots built this country. The reason Canada embraces multiculturalism is because of Scottish values, except the Scots never intended us to sacrifice our own moral values in the name of "not being racist". I personally don't want any Islamic people in this country for example, simply because I know for a fact that their religion doesn't even come close to aligning morally with the principles this country was founded on. It's not about skin color, it's about morals and cultural principles.

Then again I guess that's not me really saying I'm proud of being "white", but I do know that in general white people of various heritage did A LOT to bring the world to the state it is in today and they certainly didn't do it "on the backs of slaves" or by "stealing from other cultures".

I'm not an NRx, and don't know much about that ideology. Just trying to explain my thoughts on the matter of what exactly "racism" is and isn't.

[–]of_ice_and_rockwho can promise like a sovereign: goo.gl/xq8rDt -5ポイント-4ポイント  (9子コメント)

That sort of detached hyperindividualism was philosophically created by the underclass as a ploy against hierarchy:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2f2037/more_juicy_antileftist_rhetoric_for_you_guys_but/

[–]Erebus_BlackAnarcho-Capitalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is it really "hyper"individualist to suggest people should be proud (or even ashamed) of things they have done themselves?

If white people are so great, how did they get there? It certainly was not because of the majority. Usually it is the actions and ideas of a very small minority within that group that are held up to be the achievements of that group. It is precisely because of the individual achievement of some people that can somehow find pride because they have similar biological traits.

I can see how individualism and the inborn differences amongst people might lead some to promote egalitarianism. Of course libertarians should have firmly reject egalitarianism.

[–]of_ice_and_rockwho can promise like a sovereign: goo.gl/xq8rDt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it really "hyper"individualist to suggest people should be proud (or even ashamed) of things they have done themselves?

You mean, "shouldn't"? As that was the concept you were presenting, not its opposite.

If white people are so great, how did they get there? It certainly was not because of the majority.

That's an entirely independent point, and if anything, one that complements mine, because the West is defined by the Indo-European Faustian spirit, which is precisely about aristocratic breaking out, not democratic mediocrity.

It is precisely because of the individual achievement of some people that can somehow find pride because they have similar biological traits.

It sounds like you're referring to the phenomena of 'cultural monuments' and 'cultural artifacts', which are moral commons. Allowing the other classes to enjoy pride in defending their elites is part of what keeps a polity stable and going.

http://www.propertarianism.com/2010/08/30/the-bipolarity-of-class/

Pride in cultural capital is part of the status economy and one of the prerequisites for the money economy.

When you see ancaps saying, "Having pride alongside others is STUPID!" they're just acting out their low status, unlanded psychologies.

[–]ProjectD13XI hate roads 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Even if that's true it has no relevancy to the truth of the statement. Taking pride in anything you are not involved with is idiotic at best. It being stupid to take pride in one's race or gender is completely consistent with not opposing voluntary hierarchy.

You could at least put a little more effort into your bullshit.

[–]InitiumNovumFisting deep for liberty 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Even if that’s true it has no relevancy to the truth of the statement. Taking pride in anything you are not involved with is idiotic at best.

What sort of pride? As in the one that falls under the definition of dignity, honour and respect? How are such qualities irrational even if they are attributed to the actions of others? So, for example, what’s wrong with honouring and respecting the legacy of your people/ancestors and wishing to continue that legacy. It doesn’t necessarily mean you claim direct ownership of accomplishment that are not your own, neither does it mean that you possess any special mystical quality on account of your ancestry/heritage.

[–]Nellerin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All of those things are stupid. There's no reason to be proud of being any race, you haven't done or accomplished anything by being born a certain color.

[–]compliancekid78stark staring sane 3ポイント4ポイント  (34子コメント)

My God, you animals are multiplying.

[–]retorikerAve, Europa, nostra vera patria! -3ポイント-2ポイント  (33子コメント)

It's a genuine question, I'm curious of what you think about it.

[–]compliancekid78stark staring sane 1ポイント2ポイント  (32子コメント)

Fourteen as a number is all fine and well.

I draw the line where it refers to racist cunts.

[–]retorikerAve, Europa, nostra vera patria! -1ポイント0ポイント  (13子コメント)

Is it racist to want to preserve the white race? If a hispanic person would say to you that he has an interest in preserving the hispanic race, would you call him a racist cunt as well?

[–]Nellerin 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

What's special about the white race? People are people.

I'd say the Hispanic person focused on preserving his race is indeed racist, yes. That line of thinking comes from the viewpoint that a given race is in some way special.

[–]retorikerAve, Europa, nostra vera patria! 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Look at the accomplishments of europids in human history, then compare them to the accomplishments of africans.

I'd say the Hispanic person focused on preserving his race is indeed racist, yes. That line of thinking comes from the viewpoint that a given race is in some way special.

Are jews who want to 'remember the holocaust', who think that what was done to "their people" in nazi germany was a horrible thing, are they also racists?

[–]compliancekid78stark staring sane -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3j6sik/hispanic_racism_in_america_exposed/cumxawq?context=3

Indiana Nazis are chill, though.

You're just another godamn Neo-Nazi in this sub.

[–]-Venator- 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you signal your moral superiority harder? I'm not seeing enough self-hate.

[–]retorikerAve, Europa, nostra vera patria! -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you actually think that I know how neo-nazis in Indiana are like? Of course you don't, you're grasping at straws and you know that I'm not a nazi. With all due respect, please stop with these pathetic attempts at framing people.

Now, could you please answer the question I asked you?

[–]-Venator- -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

...Anybody who calls themself a Nazi is an idiot. That's a jewish term created as an insult to National Socialism.

[–]-Venator- -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

I'll paste this in reply to you as well. We must stop these evil white people from wanting to exist.

Blacks can be proud of being black

Mestizos can be proud of being mestizo

Asians can be proud of being asian

Jews can be proud of being jews

But under no circumstances can a white person be proud of being white. That is absolutely unacceptable and it makes them a neo nazi.

Edit: Change "can be" to "encouraged to be".

[–]compliancekid78stark staring sane -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's not about limiting the racism to one group or another. It's that White Pride assholes are particularly virulent. I see you post in conservatism and you speak highly of Trump. I think you're another one of these people, but whatever. This whole sub is thick with Neo-Nazis right now. It's surreal and little surprises me these days.

[–]-Venator- 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

We are not "neo nazis". Most of the people you're talking about are a part of the alt-right movement. The reason we hang out here is because a lot of us are former ancaps.

[–]-Venator- -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Lol. I post in conservative to annoy the cuckservatives. Most of those people are not at all like me.

[–]CapitalJusticeWariorGovrenmant is Evul! -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

You again?

How many things on the big list of nigger facts have you refuted?

People don't like to be slandered (whether they are 'actual racists' or not). Please don't go around accusing people of being neo-nazi's. You can be anti science all you want, but when you claim that ordinary people are neo-nazis and fascist makes me want to brutally fucking murder you. I wish Hitler was still alive so he could roast your lying jewish self.

EDIT I bet you are from ADL or SPLC. The impossible standards you are imposing on whites is quite disgusting to me. I am a devout anarcho-capitalist but when you socially posture yourself like that I feel like I have 2 choices 1)agree with you and hence lend credence to your entire narrative where I must censor myself for fear of ostracism or 2) go full HEIL HITLER because I don't want to be pushed into that corner. I am triggered by censorship so I HAVE to go with 2.

btw this would all be a lot easier if you didn't deny science and also if you didn't try to think of any possible way to connect what someone says to a position that can be morally shamed because of "YOU RACIST, NIGGA!"

[–]Nellerin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol. Another silly racist.

[–]compliancekid78stark staring sane -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm sorry, I could hear you over the sound of you being a cunt.

[–]CapitalJusticeWariorGovrenmant is Evul! 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I added somemore for your benefit you fucking mysogynist.

[–]zoink -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was darchdolla's flair at one time. Didn't realize the phrase is apparently a thing.

[–]PipingHotSoup 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

what is an NXR?

[–]salacioAnarcho-Capitalist 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

oh I messed up, it's nrx. It stands for neo reactionary, they're basically racists/fascists.

[–]PipingHotSoup 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

ah. I figure anyone with the tag of "Atheist. Anarchist. Asshole." would want to be whatever gets the most attention.

[–]of_ice_and_rockwho can promise like a sovereign: goo.gl/xq8rDt -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/ZzQVxev.gifv

The founder of NRx is a Jewish futurist meritocrat.

[–]Maikowski2Right Wing Anarchist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

and hitler was a painter.

[–]of_ice_and_rockwho can promise like a sovereign: goo.gl/xq8rDt -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

"NRx" is a dated, often monarchist movement. Monarchism is probably the only remaining reason to use the term, when there are more accurate labels to use for non-monarchists.

The people who get called "NRx" here are really more a part of the alt-right (and even here, Cantwell is not really a member of it, but a paleolibertarian whose instincts cause him to flirt with the reality of social externalities, but who is still not educated enough to understand how to scientifically and economically handle those instincts).

People like myself are aristocratic republicans, in the tradition of Curt's Propertarianism. People like Darchdolla are generic ethno-nationalists, who don't spend as much time talking about meritocracy, but hard racial lines (I blame the Southern European in him). However, even he isn't a monarchist either, so it's inaccurate to have been calling us "NRx" this whole time.

Then, there are probably 30-50 people here in between us two, caught up in the 4channery and still needing to understand wtf Propertarianism is to do anything but meme out.

[–]-Venator- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nooooooo. Let them LARP. It's funny to see the "Government is planting evil neoreactionaries in our sub to make us look bad" posts.

[–]snigwich -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

NRx is monarchism, he's alt-right which is libertarianism mixed in with racial realism.

[–]FirecyclePeace on Earth, Goodwill Toward Men 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

"In a free society you get to decide everything for yourself! Except whether or not your neighbors do drugs!" ~ Stupid Anti-Prohibition Libertarians

[–]HhturaStalinist 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

His quote and yours can both be reduced to "you get to make your own decisions, except concerning how other people's decisions affect you, so long as they aren't using direct, physical violence." So really, it seems libertarianism itself is what he's against.

[–]Maikowski2Right Wing Anarchist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

could not have said better. Have 10 internets, buddy.

[–]of_ice_and_rockwho can promise like a sovereign: goo.gl/xq8rDt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"You can do what I want you to do."

"Much ethical."

[–]ktxyPolitical Rationalist 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

No, I'm pretty certain that's the whole point of open borders.

[–]BlacknOrangeZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But you would still have every right to indirectly and peacefully "choose" your neighbours via ostracism. A white supremacist community would have every right to exist; if blacks tried to move to the area they could not be sold property, be refused work, alienated from social activities, etc. All behaviours that are compatible with NAP.

I'm a bit behind the 8 ball on this topic, I only learned what NRx is a minute ago. But why is their ideology wrong?

Why do you see "choosing your neighbours" as mutually exclusive from borderless ancapistan?

And do you see the problem with a state providing welfare etc whilst restricting our ability to discriminate/ostracise?

[–]snigwich -2ポイント-1ポイント  (10子コメント)

And why it's such a problem: http://i.imgur.com/5549EpN.png You can't have freedom without secure borders, otherwise your society becomes subject to the tragedy of the commons. Look at the prison populations, look at the property damage, look at all the rape and physical assaults, look who has to pay for it all and how it will effect future generations. All of that is preventable by not letting them in in the first place.

[–]PierrePutinCrypto-Anarchist[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

So, you mean things solved by private property?

[–]snigwich 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

No, because they are given private property or private property to live on. Besides, why can't a nation treat the nation as private property and decide who can and cannot enter?

[–]PierrePutinCrypto-Anarchist[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

This isn't /r/Conservative . In the context of Ancapistan what you're saying is irrelevant.

[–]snigwich 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'd say it's very relevant. If ancapistan is overran by Muslims who install a caliphate or sharia law, you no longer have ancapistan.

[–]ProjectD13XI hate roads 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

All that bacon, drugs, alcohol, heavily armed people with a distaste for extremist governments would probably make ancapistan an unappealing target for any caliphate.

[–]PierrePutinCrypto-Anarchist[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

If a large government claims ownership of Ancapistan there (potentially) is no more Ancapistan. That is not the point.

[–]snigwich 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right, the point is if you let large groups of people in who don't believe in those principles or who are disproportionately criminal you are destabilizing your society and potentially destroying its future.

[–]metkapStoic Class 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The potential nullification of your ideal as having nothing to do with the creation or preservation of said ideal?

In what way is this dissimilar to saying "anything that might cause me to go completely bankrupt is irrelevant to increasing my net worth?"

[–]Nellerin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And a government using force to prevent movement and close the borders means you never have ancap.

[–]Maikowski2Right Wing Anarchist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

muslims would never move to ancapistan in a first place (those radicals I mean, not ordinary muslims). And how would they install sharia law? It would sill apply only to them and they would still be bound by ancapistan DRO's and laws because they live in ancapistan. This isn't "democracy" where majority decides what is moral what is not and how laws should be for everyone. Intermuslim relationships would be handled by sharia probably, muslims and non-muslim would be handle by both or ancapistan laws only (implying there would be only one lawfirm and set of laws of course).

It is all about fear of unknown and xenophobia. There are muslim ancaps. There are indian ancaps and jewish and christian. Who gives a fuck.

[–]warriorfortruth 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a free society, people would be able to decide who they do business with, and who is allowed onto their property.

There used to be legal contracts between property owners called restrictive covenants, in which property owners essentially made promises with one another that they wouldn't sell property to "undesirables" such as jews, blacks, or catholics. These contracts were declared illegal by the Supreme Court back in the 40's or 50's, but in a real anarchist society, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't make a comeback.

So in a free society, there would be measures that one could take to ensure that they lived in the kind of social setting that they desired. There would not be "open borders" in the way that we have them now, where the government owns these vast swaths of land, that land would be owned, and movement upon it would be determined by property holders.

And in the interest of promoting liberty, I don't think that it's a good idea to invite millions of people from different, often antagonistic cultures here. First off, they (undocumented immigrants) are living off of our tax dollars at extremely high rates, even higher than blacks. This is a violation of the NAP itself. They have very high rates of criminality. And they tend to be fans of big government. Their presence here is likely to lead to more racial conflict, more riots, more violence in the streets, and it will serve as a rationale to expand the police state even more.

This is an appeal to authority, but I think it has some merit to it nonetheless- look at the libertarian pantheon. Most of the heavy hitters would be on Chris' (and my) side on this. Lew Rockwell, Tom Woods, almost everyone in the whole Mises wing of the movement, Hoppe, and the most important ancap of all time, Murray Rothbard.

I don't deny that your side of the argument is completely without merit, but don't call us "statists." It's been said before, but the government is currently monopolizing many of the functions that the market would provide for us. As long as the state is keeping the market from solving these issues, I'd like it to perform those functions in the way that I'd pay a private institution to do in its absence. For instance, I don't think that it's "statist" of me to hope that a swat team comes to save me when ISIS attacks me at the grocery store. I don't think it's "statist" to hope that the Federal Reserve behaves responsibly.

And our position is not inherently any more statist than yours, because while you pay lip service to the cause of ending the welfare state, you simultaneously invite people here to come mooch off of it, vote in bigger government, and sow seeds of discord in an already teetering society.

[–]Maikowski2Right Wing Anarchist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

in free society there are no borders, except fences around your house.

[–]Nellerin 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you want different neighbors, the answer is to move, not to prevent others from living where they want to live. Of course you cannot control who your neighbors are, that's kind of a fundamental principle.

[–]Maikowski2Right Wing Anarchist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

ackchually you can. It is called free association. You can not control who your parents are but even then you can control if you live with them or not. Same about neighbours. If they are shitty, you move away or do not buy property among shitty people in a first place. If you already lived there and someone moved in you do not like, tough life then. You can not force him move out other than using persuasion (no threats of course) or moving out yourself. Maybe some other people like these new neighbours, why should a world revolve around you etc etc.

[–]spatchcockNon initiation of force, Self Ownership, and Property Rights 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing screams and promotes freedom, liberty, and justice for all like a good old fashioned ethinc cleansing.

EDIT: Unfortunately under the current circumstances in this subreddit I should be clear that this was also a joke.

[–]JordanCardwellChristian Anarcho-Capitalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In statist societies you aren't allowed to discriminate on who you sell property to (at least usually not). A free society could be quite homogeneous culturally, religiously, or whatever if it was considered desirable.

[–]TRVDanteFree Markets are cool but the NAP is stupid 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

At this point there are two kinds of AnCaps- the people who like the ideology for the ZAP/NAP, and the people who like it for its ability to generate wealth and a positive society. Cantwell, much like myself and others, seem to lean towards the latter. At this point, you could probably suggest that Anarcho-Capitalism as an ideology is dead, and it is now a blanket term for these two new distinct branches. The question is, how do we reconcile them as to avoid constant infighting?

[–]dootyforyouanarcho-pragmatist 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

The way I would understand it is that the big two terms "anarcho capitalist" and "libertarian" are umbrella terms. I think anyone who wants to call themselves either one of those terms is only committed to one thing: a political stance which incorporates radical limitations on aggression and at least a soft commitment to the non-aggression principle.

I personally do not understand how someone with a complete aversion to or rejection of the non-aggression principle could be an ancap or a libertarian, but I am open to listening to an explanation on why I should revise this definition.

Assuming for now that this definition is acceptable, the remaining differences within the overarching "umbrella" are merely differences about how one arrives at the political principle, and what extra-political values they hold. So, someone can believe the NAP is "natural law," they can believe it will produce the best consequences for society (consequentialism, utilitarianism) or they can believe it will produce the best consequences for themselves (egoism, pragmatism).

So long as they get to the same political conclusion, they are ancaps/libertarians, at least on my view.

[–]of_ice_and_rockwho can promise like a sovereign: goo.gl/xq8rDt 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

a political stance which incorporates radical limitations on aggression

Libertarianism has an orders of magnitude longer history of advocating against low trust behavior, not NAP minimalism.

The classical liberalism that actually existed pilloried liars and deported bums.

[–]okaction 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Libertarianism has an orders of magnitude longer history of advocating against low trust behavior, not NAP minimalism.

Why are these incompatible?

[–]skw1dwardMarcus Aurelius 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps there is a reason the most efficient system is the most ethical system. Could it be intelligent design? I can not say for sure but it is something I wonder about.

[–]of_ice_and_rockwho can promise like a sovereign: goo.gl/xq8rDt 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The question is, how do we reconcile them as to avoid constant infighting?

You're not going to be able to. What we're doing now is informing the latter group the ship is indeed sinking and to leave the anti-social NAP minimalists ("society is literally the boundaries of your physical property, brah!"), who have a psychology not capable of anything, but low status advocacy of social parasitism, on board.

[–]okaction 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is NAP social parasitism?

[–]Thefeature 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is a dipshit.

[–]moople1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's actually doing the entire "white power!" thing now.

What a fucking dipshit.

[–]MartinAlexander 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

HAIL VICTORY! HAIL HITLER!