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[–]Anenome5ಠ_ಠ LINOs I'm looking at you[S] 163ポイント164ポイント  (41子コメント)

If women were really paid 23-cents less for doing the exact same work, men would never get hired.

Think about it, a company could simply hire all women and produce at the exact same level for 23% less wage cost. That would be a gigantic profit advantage for any company in any industry.

[–]linuxuser86 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is amazing that every reply to this comment has been downvoted

[–]Puthy 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Engineer here.

You can't have 2 women in the same room, much less an entire company of women.

Call me sexiest all you want I speak from many years of experience first hand.

In no way am I saying Male engineers are better. He'll most women work twice as hard.

[–]elos_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

...the point is not that equally qualified women are paid less in the same position. It's that women are culturally pushed to lower paid jobs.

[–]ElectricGoldfish -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

That doesn't make sense, the whole reason they're being paid less is because companies DONT want to hire them.

[–]Anenome5ಠ_ಠ LINOs I'm looking at you[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That doesn't make sense, the whole reason they're being paid less is because companies DONT want to hire them.

So you're presuming bias is the cause for wage disparity? I don't think this is remotely a safe assumption, even if it's the assumption those who quote this statistic are implying.

But let's presume bias anyway.

That means that any firm that doesn't have this bias could go out and hire the "equally qualified and performing" women and pay them the same as men.

And you have to concede there are many women-owned, even feminist-owned firms in the world. And yet in these same firms, there's still a pay disparity between men and women. So you are now left with the idea that these women, even feminists, are self-hating, mysoginistic women who simply love men more than women and therefore pay women poorly.

Does that make any sense to you? Or could there be other factors involved? Factors like who much experience one has in the field. Those with more experience get paid better because they tend to perform better.

Those with better qualifications, same story.

Etc.

[–]Ailbe 38ポイント39ポイント  (6子コメント)

So much this. I've been in IT for around 18 years now, in senior level positions for most of that time. I can count on one hand the number of women I've interviewed over that entire period of time. And of those, only one with experience and passion for the work. The rest just sort of showed up, expecting, I don't know what...

I've had managers hold off on hiring for a position for 6 to 8 months because they had been instructed they HAD to hire a woman for the position. Only to eventually hire a guy because there were exactly zero female applicants. And yet we males in IT are vilified as enforcing a male dominated hierarchy. My ass. There are so very few women who want to do the work. The few women I've worked with who actually had passion and drive in the field were great team mates who easily pulled their own weight. I've got exactly nothing against working for and with women. If only they'd fucking apply.

[–]Nurfy 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Same thing with me working for a startup. We recently hired a woman after months of saying "we really need a female presence around here". We just weren't getting the applications.

[–]LRonPaul2012 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same thing with me working for a startup. We recently hired a woman after months of saying "we really need a female presence around here". We just weren't getting the applications.

Target recently realized that they can probably sell more toys if they didn't categorize their toys along gendered lines. Maybe more girls will play with legos if we stop label them as being for boys, and maybe more boys would buy easy bake ovens if we didn't label them as being for girls.

In other words, if girls aren't buying your legos and boys aren't buying your easy bake ovens, then the problem might be with you. Not with them.

The same thing applies to job recruitment. Children are conditioned from a very young age to view career paths on gendered lines, so by the time HR finally says "We're going to start hiring women!", it's already too late.

We need to reach out at a much younger ago, which is what Intel is doing with their $300 million investment towards diversity. But a lot of libertarians will still resist these programs, because if these programs work, it means that sexism was real all along and the market allowed it to happen. So they have to convince themselves that Intel's investment is a meaningless waste of money and everything for women is just fine.

[–]mrstickball 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Libertarians are usually against it because its the government forcing the diversity training or requirements, as opposed to the businesses. If Intel wants to put $300m into diversity - good for them, but that needs to be their decision, not the fed.

[–]LRonPaul2012 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Libertarians are usually against it because its the government forcing the diversity training or requirements, as opposed to the businesses. If Intel wants to put $300m into diversity - good for them, but that needs to be their decision, not the fed.

Except the opposition isn't simply that they don't think the government should regulate sexism. The opposition is that they refuse to acknowledge that sexism occurs in the first place.

In previous threads where this came up, the response here has mostly ranged from "worthless PR stunt" to "This is unfair discrimination against straight white men!"

The most common response has been that this is merely a PR stunt, to win over customers. But that contradicts the original premise, since most of their "customers" are actually other corporations (the only competition they have at the end user level is AMD, which offers an inferior product for people trying to save money).

In other words, their argument boils down to the idea that corporations are 100% objective when it comes to evaluating people, and don't consider gender at all. But when it comes to mass produced computer chips, corporations stop being objective altogether and focus entirely on gender.

Because the alternative would be to admit that either a) the PR campaign wasn't working and Intel is wasting money, or b) that this isn't a PR campaign at all, and the actual goal of the diversity program is to actually increase diversity.

And once again, they relied on circular reasoning: This is obviously a smart PR campaign, because otherwise, Intel wouldn't be spending $300 million on it (Even though this wasn't exactly something they spent any money advertising, and the headlines were only around for a week or two).

[–]TwistedVikingCuts hair without a license 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also in IT. We have one female manager, one female lead, and one female tech on the service desk. None of them are all that good at the jobs.

There just aren't many capable and qualified women in IT. They're getting a little more into development but infrastructure work is lagging badly. I wish I knew how to get more women involved just because more people getting in increases the likelihood of finding someone who's any good at it.

[–]globalchamp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you do hire a woman, the beta manginas will trip over themselves to cover up her shitty work.

[–]G19Gen3 171ポイント172ポイント  (67子コメント)

The nonexistent wage gap? The one where a woman leaves for months every so often in her career and might take a few years off but expects the same pay as a man that never took that much time off?

[–]chendigglerlive free or die 147ポイント148ポイント  (9子コメント)

No, the one where men work in cold, dirty, and dangerous outdoor environments and women work in warm, safe, and clean offices.

[–]G19Gen3 80ポイント81ポイント  (8子コメント)

Oh you mean the one with coal mines, commercial fishing vessels, and construction? Where holding a stop and slow sign should pay what slinging bags of shingles up two stories pays?

[–]-laissez-faire- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, there is a wage gap (if you are over 40)...but as you said, its due to different choices in life, not discrimination. She is referring to that, and that girls should be making other choises if the aim to get a higher paying position. I dont want ignorant people fighting on the same side as me since you make more damage than good. Look her up on youtube where she is talking about what feminism has become

[–]TheLateThagSimmonsClassical Libertarian 36ポイント37ポイント  (43子コメント)

There's still a wage gap, it's just no quite as much strictly "We can pay women less," that is the core of the Neo-Liberal rhetoric.

It's cultural.

Most women do not think about bargaining for a higher wage, little girls are not encouraged to be engineers or go for their MBAs. We can cry about STEM fields all day, but it still remains the sad truth that those fields are dominated by men at the University stage.

Just this week, I very proudly got a huge promotion (yeah, I'm proud of it, I worked hard to make that interview happen, I used my networking, I padded my resume, I killed it in my interview, it's how it works; fuck the haters, I made that happen and I'm damned proud of myself this week). My partner used to make more than me up until this week. But for the first time in my life as a professional, I bargained for a higher wage.

I simply asked for an extra (keeping that to myself) a month. They checked with HR, and came back with an agreement on my offer. Yes, it took a while to be in a position to be able to bargain, but all it took was telling them "I was actually hoping for $X a month instead of $Y."

I told my partner, and she told me that she never once considered bargaining for a higher wage despite the fact that her recent promotion, her (new) team approached her to come over.

It's a cultural thing as well. It does not mean that the wage gap does not exist; it just means that it's not quite the Neo-Liberal tears functions that they claim is the problem.

[–]Ksight3 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are plenty of men that don't know about negotiating wages either. You make it sound like it's a man vs. woman issue, when it's really an individual issue regarding researching wages and negotiating.

[–]TheLateThagSimmonsClassical Libertarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You make it sound like it's a man vs. woman issue

It does not need to be a perfect split down the middle for it to be a factor.

This is about the cultural influences that affect decision making.

when it's really an individual issue regarding researching wages and negotiating.

You make it seem like the culture you're in does not affect your decisions.

That insinuates that everything bad that happens to you is strictly your own fault.

[–]MemeticParadigm -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except it is a man vs woman issue, when a man asking for a raise will usually be respected and his request at least considered in earnest, while many business owners/managers will be downright aghast at a woman in the same position asking for the same thing.

On mobile right now, so I'm going off a plethora of anecdotal evidence, rather than looking on Google Scholar for a study that's appropriate to measure this effect (or lack thereof), but if you think that business owners react as amicably to women trying to bargain aggressively as they do to men trying to bargain aggressively, then you haven't seen what happens when women try to bargain aggressively very often, from what I've seen personally, anyways.

[–]flamed_curtains 23ポイント24ポイント  (30子コメント)

With the availability of information these days, you're as much a victim of your culture as you let yourself be.

[–]VinylGuy420 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

The nursing field is dominated by women too but you don't hear a push for more men in nursing schools. Goto a nursing clothing store guarantee you 90% of the store are women's scrubs with one measly rack for men.

[–]TheLateThagSimmonsClassical Libertarian 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

but you don't hear a push for more men in nursing schools.

I work in a hospital (you know, that whole promotion I just got), and yes that is a regular topic of conversation.

Goto a nursing clothing store guarantee you 90% of the store are women's scrubs with one measly rack for men.

Thus why it's still a very regular conversation in many hospitals. There's a huge demand for male nurses.

[–]IntellingetUsername -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's a huge demand for male nurses.

Why? Due to affirmative action? Or is there a legitimate reason?

[–]charlottethespider 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Male nurses are great. The size of patients just continues to rise and having someone that can move someone who weighs 250+lbs around without help is a huge plus.

[–]TheLateThagSimmonsClassical Libertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll give the most obvious one: Would you rather have your balls checked by an old woman or a man your age?

[–]IntellingetUsername -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't care, if the nurse is a competent medical professional I have no issue with it.

[–]elos_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh come off it you know most women would want a woman treating their private parts and vice versa.

[–]falcon4287 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I totally screwed up in an interview recently by taking an offer below what I set out for. I could have had them over the table, too, in retrospect. They even told me that they were so eager to hire me that they already had HR drawing up the paperwork before my interview.

In hindsight, that was also a red flag that they played fast and loose in general and were not a good fit for me, but that's beside the point.

[–]EddieVisaProphet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]JustDoinThings 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The nonexistent wage gap? The one where a woman leaves for months every so often in her career and might take a few years off but expects the same pay as a man that never took that much time off?

Women get paid the same as men. Their average is lower only because they choose lower paying jobs.

[–]Sharkictus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Men should be leaving just as much, family is more important than work.

[–]ferrarifan 23ポイント24ポイント  (9子コメント)

"But I feel unwelcome in the STEM department."

Nope, a lot some people have put time and effort into programs to help women make the transition. Women only robotics competitions, math Olympics, etc.

[–]ProfessorWafflesPhD 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are several women in my Electrical Engineering Classes.

[–]globalchamp 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are they foreign? A lot of American women without an immigrant background have been brainwashed by feminutsy propaganda that evil misogynist STEM dorks are holding them back.

[–]ProfessorWafflesPhD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually I believe only one of them is foreign. Although there are definitely STEM dorks in the department, they're really in the minority. If anything is holding women back from STEM, it's not going to be the other students you take classes with.

[–]LRonPaul2012 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Nope, a lot of people have put time and effort into programs to help women make the transition. Women only robotics competitions, math Olympics, etc.

I don't know which STEM classes that you managed to take, but the ones that I took managed to explain the difference between anecdote and data.

[–]bigmaclt77 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Damn you don't need to be a condescending asshole about it.

Nothing he said is incorrect, lots of people did help with these programs. Because "lots" has no set quantitative value. I don't know what STEM classes you managed to take but in the ones I took most people knew the difference between subjectivity and objectivity. Shit, there are people in remedial classes that managed to learn what you apparently can't

[–]LRonPaul2012 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nothing he said is incorrect, lots of people did help with these programs.

He said that no one feels unwelcome because some people are trying to help. His response to anyone claiming to feel unwelcome was "Nope", followed by anecdotal evidence.

That's a ridiculous assertion.

Imagine if someone said, "I was bullied when I was in school," and someone else replying, "Nope, a few schools have anti-bullying programs" and implying that anyone who claims to have been bullied is therefore wrong.

[–]ferrarifan 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

He said that no one feels unwelcome because some people are trying to help.

because

That doesn't even make sense. Why would someone feel unwelcome because someone else is trying to help?

Some people feel unwelcome, therefore people are trying to help.

Edit: Okay mate, that comparison is completely ridiculous. I was trying to contribute to the thread, but I guess my advice is "anecdotal".

[–]LRonPaul2012 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That doesn't even make sense. Why would someone feel unwelcome because someone else is trying to help?

Your confusion is a basic lack of reading comprehension.

It would be like if I said, "It's wrong to say that evolution is disproven because of the bible," and you replying, "That doesn't even make any sense. Why would evolution be proven because of the bible?"

Saying that X doesn't disprove Y is not the same as claiming that Y is proven by X.

[–]ferrarifan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok, maybe not the majority. But hey, it has happened that.

[–]Gailyn 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

Aaaaand this is why I changed my major from Social & Human Services to Computer Security and Networking.

[–]Ratertheman 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh, I kept my history degree. I thought many times about going for engineering or computer science, I just couldn't ever do the math. Sometimes I wish it was easy as just switch your major and you're golden but it really isn't.

[–]Gailyn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uhhhh most of us aren't good at math. Unless you're into programming then it isn't as important, you just need a few formulas for binary or hexadecimal etc

[–]Shirt_and_Stacks -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ha. You done goofed.

[–]thaweathermanlibertarian party 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

How did she goof? We make six figures out of college because there are so few security workers.

[–]Gailyn 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

She. I commented because the OP is talking about gender wage gaps. And I didn't goof, I got an AA degree and now I'm getting a different AA degree. I'm young and I have time.

[–]thaweathermanlibertarian party 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry! He is usually the correct guess. I know you didn't goof. Security work is fantastic.

[–]Shirt_and_Stacks 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because I worked in the industry for years and was fortunate enough to get out.

[–]PacificBreeze 16ポイント17ポイント  (19子コメント)

If women made less then employers would hire women instead of men.

[–]epsilon_swift 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

If women made 23% less than men, then the only law that could theoretically equalize pay would be a law requiring women to be paid 23% more than men. If leftists don't support that law, then they will forever complain about the disparity (which I am beginning to suspect is more important to them than actually solving what they perceive to be a problem, because one can't claim to be a victim after a disparity has been eliminated).

[–]flipmode_squad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

then the only law that could theoretically equalize pay would be a law requiring women to be paid 23% more than men

That doesn't follow. There can be many alternatives to that one law that could solve the problem.

"If littering is a problem, the only possible solution is sentencing litterers the death penalty. If someone doesn't want to take this drastic step then we'll always have litterers."

[–]mayonnnnaisegary4prez/Paul4primaries 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's just really hard for me to take the wage gap seriously when all the women i know in my generation (born in 86, considering "my generation" as 3 years before and after my birth) typically make the more than men their age. Women are the ones promoted and relied upon, at least at the retail/sales/basic skilled work (like custom framing) level based off of what I've seen.

I absolutely believe that women are less aggressive and worse at pursuing promotions than men, but I believe that they are rewarded on par with men when they behave courageously and push for a deserved raise or promotion. 3 of the 6 managers I have at my 2 jobs are women between the ages of 21-29. I am a 30 year old male.

I understand I'm talking low class retail employment but there are a lot of people working in that retail industry.

[–]Orcasmic 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

  1. Praise basedmom

  2. Can't tell if this thread is being posted in by feminists from somewhere else or internet libertarians are more feminist leaning than I thought.

[–]8u6 -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Seriously? I'm not really a feminist, but this thread is full of nothing but angry dudes with a chip on their shoulder (against females). As a libertarian, I'm getting a bit tired of this sub, I may generally agree with the people here but they seem kinda of like terrible people, from what I've seen.

[–]mayonnnnaisegary4prez/Paul4primaries 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most political subreddits stick to a very stringent definition of their ideologies. This subreddit apparently goes for a stance aligned with whatever the popular consensus of what a libertarian is in the media, as opposed to allowing it's libertarian members to have their own ideologies and agendas centralized around liberty. It's frustrating

[–]Orcasmic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't get me wrong, I would never tell someone that they are "no true libertarian" but the way I see librertarianism clashes greatly with third wave feminism and it surprised me to see (at the time of my posting, anyway) that there were several (heavily downvoted) comments defending the existence of a gender biased wage gap.

[–]ferrarifan 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

but this thread is full of nothing but angry dudes with a chip on their shoulder (against females)

That's not at all what this thread is like. Most comments are saying that they want to work with women in higher paying/male dominated fields and that they would be welcoming if women took more initiative to work in those fields (IT, STEM, Academia, etc.)

If you think that constructive criticism as posted in the tweet is anger from "terrible people" then yeah, you should unsubscribe from pretty much every single political sub out there.

[–]Cricket627 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually most of the comments here are denying that a wage gap exists. They're losing some alternate reality where we are comparing women majoring in art to make engineers, or situations where women are taking time off for their many many babies. They're refusing to acknowledge a fact that women tend to earn less for the same work.

[–]Orcasmic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are facts usually so subjective where you're from? The fact of this matter is this: the study that founded this wage gap myth did compare men and women with different job descriptions an lumped them in the same category (example: a skilled male worker and a female admin clerk at the same company would be listed in the same line of work). It also did not account for hours worked, parental leave taken, or the fact that men negotiate salaries more often than women.

The fact of the matter is that the survey, study, what have you that begat the "wage gap" was highly flawed and yet it is still treated as gospel truth. If it were true that women earned less than men for the same work, why would anyone hire men?

[–]Cricket627 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This subreddit is slowly making me think that I'm not actually a libertarian. Most threads are so hateful of women and minorities. I hate the overreach of government, but I hate the way this sub always seems to defend the status quo.

[–]8u6 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You aren't the only one, but don't take the poor conduct of people on this sub to be a strike against libertarianism. These people are not representatives of the libertarian philosophy. The idea of libertarianism stands on its own merit.

But yeah, I see here the kind of anger and hate you would expect from conservatives.

[–]vbullingerminarchist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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[–]IndigoGosRule 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think she was just on the Joe Rogan podcast.

[–]cannonball77 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That "23cents less" is just another numerical manipulation of the facts to support a bull shit argument.

[–]Polaris80537 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As an engineer, many of the women on my team make more than me. I'm fine with it. They have been at the company for 30+ years, and have almost 15 years more experience than me. They make the same as the male engineers with similar credentials.

[–]ThanatosNow 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

What happens when all the STEM jobs are filled and the only jobs left are low paying ones?

[–]Redditmantothesite 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is... Is feminist dance therapy a thing?

[–]Malfeasantsocialist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It can be if you want...

[–]EddieVisaProphet 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would argue that a significant portion of young women are actually in majors that are going to be profitable, maybe even more young women are in them than men. There's only a small minority that are pursuing these types of degrees, and I don't want to slam on them because of this unless they do actually complain that they're not getting the same wages as someone who pursued a different degree. I've come into contact with people who major in these types of degrees and most of them actually know the limits of their degree. I can safely say most of them pursue these for some intrinsic purpose instead of monetary, and I'm completely fine by this.

In my own opinion, I think that the largest reason for the wage gap is that a significant portion of older women are paid less and this is mostly because they don't have as much higher education and consequently roles in higher positions in work places (many possibly weren't career women either, being raised on different roles of what women should do). Once the younger generations of women, who I think are more career focused, keep shifting into more and more job roles, I think the overall average is going to be the same, if not more, as men. It's going to take time to do this. The frustration I get is when when people expect that to happen right now. This isn't something that can happen over night. But let's be honest, there is a wage gap between women and men regardless of this, and we can't deny that. It's smaller and smaller as you decrease in age, but it still exists. Let's not get defensive about it and give into the combative nature of this debate. What Sommers is saying is pretty much a straw-man argument.

According to Pew:

According to the White House, full-time working women earn 77% of what their male counterparts earn. This means that women have to work approximately 60 extra days, or about three months, to earn what men did by the end of the previous year. However, our own estimate, which is based on hourly earnings of both full- and part-time workers, finds women earn 84 percent of what men earn. Based on our estimate, it would take approximately 40 days, or until the end of February, for women to earn what men had by the end of last year.

But for young women, the wage gap is even smaller – at 93 percent – meaning they caught up to their same-aged male counterparts by roughly the last week in January of this year.

[–]sadistmushroomClassical Liberal & Transhumanist 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't think this is the appropriate subreddit.

[–]marx2k 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can you spot the difference?

Yeah, neither can I

[–]sadistmushroomClassical Liberal & Transhumanist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well the nice thing about /r/libertarian is that you can expect a decent post a few times a week. A decent post in /r/conservative is a miracle.

[–]marx2k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a very, very low bar :)

[–]Anenome5ಠ_ಠ LINOs I'm looking at you[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

You don't think it's the appropriate subreddit for fighting against the idea that the market is inherently sexist?

[–]Scaliwagroadbuilding investor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Although there are other explanations for the wage data, it could happen that in some places the market is sexist or whatever other prejudice. Try being hired as an ex-Mormon in Salt Lake City, for example.

[–]sadistmushroomClassical Liberal & Transhumanist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think responding to them with logic isn't going help and it will simply validate their ideas in their mind.

[–]TheLateThagSimmonsClassical Libertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sub is just an extension of /r/Conservative, and conservatives love this shit.

[–]bfwilley 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]flipmode_squad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the "feminist" that shits on every feminist idea. The human /r/asablackman .

"As a Red Sox fan, I think the Red Sox fucking stink and go Yankees! Yankees rule, Red Sox eat shit and you can trust me because I'm a real Sox fan not simply pandering to you dopes by confirming your bias."

[–]I3lizzard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great rogan episode if you haven't heard it

[–]blitzbomb4 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep and if you're suffering at minimum wage - get the hell outa fast food and get a better job rather than crying to the government.

[–]nolesforever 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except the job market is shrinking in lots of sectors other than feminine dance therapy.

But I wouldn't expect anything less than a short sighted "it's your fault" solution from the libertarians.

[–]globalchamp -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Boom, bitches! I don't know who this Sommers lady is, but today she is an honorary man.

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