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[–]CorsarioNero -3ポイント-2ポイント  (44子コメント)

Between this and the Amanda Knox trial, they killed any desire I had of visiting Italy anytime soon. I picture myself doing something dumb like jaywalking then getting 5 years in jail thanks to their weird ass justice system.

And to think Ancient Rome law is one of the first things they teach you at law school...

[–]HJonGoldrake 75ポイント76ポイント  (22子コメント)

Jaywalking is neither a crime not any kind of infraction in Italy. It weirds us out that it is in other countries actually. Hell I live in the UK, have lived in the US and the idea still weirds me out.

[–]xtcxx 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was a case in NYC where the police beat and drew blood from an eighty year old man after seeing him jaywalking. I hate pointless laws, I defer to Socrates on that one

[–]SupportPig 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

Having travelled in Italy, nearly all traffic related things are just suggestions and guidance rather than rules.

[–]HJonGoldrake 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

You'd be surprised at the change over the last decade. In 2005 I would have been wary of walking over a pedestrian crossing because cars were unlikely to stop; nowadays I barely look anymore. I never used to see people use turning signals, now they are starting to pop up even in roundabouts. I keep finding people going the speed limit.

It's weird. Every time I go back the country's drivers have become a tad bit more civilized. It's like the country is engaging in a collective discipline exercise while I'm away.

[–]seemone 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Younger people are MUCH more fond of rules han older ones, mainly because they have been fucked all their lives by people living outside the rules

[–]SupportPig 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last time I was there was about 2002-2003, so that's good to hear!

[–]wildly_curious_1 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

The weird thing I noticed about crossing the street in Italy is that, here in the US, if you (as a pedestrian) make eye contact with drivers, it's generally assumed that they'll give you the right of way.

In Italy it's the opposite. DON'T make eye contact with them, just step out into the street. If you do make eye contact with them, they take it as you giving THEM the right of way.

[–]ToastyKabal 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, really? I don't think of eye contact as a loose rule, it's more of a making sure they see me so I don't get run over thing.

[–]SirPseudonymous 17ポイント18ポイント  (9子コメント)

Jaywalking is supposed to be crossing with a reckless disregard for traffic, so something like just walking out into a busy street expecting cars to avoid you, or deliberately obstructing traffic on the assumption that cars will see and avoid you, because those are serious problems in poorer areas, where pedestrians generally exhibit a casual disregard for the large metal boxes hurtling past them.

Some places define it as simply crossing a street anywhere but a designated crossing zone, however, which is incredibly stupid, since rightfully crossing an empty street is not jaywalking, while strolling out into moving traffic at a crosswalk would be.

[–]StabbyPants -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

jaywalking is a legal attempt to declare that cars have primacy on roads instead of people. if it were the other way, then all of what you said would be a foregone conclusion - if the road is for people, then of course the car has to avoid them.

[–]SirPseudonymous 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

Cars are big, loud, unwieldy, and restricted to clearly defined spaces; people are small, quiet, agile, and not nearly so restricted. Someone negligently entering traffic on foot poses an extreme hazard to others, to say nothing of the risk to themselves, not only by virtue of being a heavy, fairly solid object capable of inflicting serious damage on a vehicle unable to avoid them (as well as its passengers), but also because forcing vehicles to make a last minute course adjustment to avoid a negligent pedestrian poses a serious risk to pedestrians on the side of the road, other nearby vehicles on the road, and the occupants of the swerving car.

It's perfectly sensible to outlaw negligently endangering others by wandering through traffic; the only real problem is when someplace decides to extend it to any pedestrian entrance onto a road outside designated crossing areas, not merely those instances which pose a safety hazard. It's kind of like the difference between states/cities banning drunk and disorderly conduct (understandable and justified) and states/cities criminalizing public intoxication (stupid as shit).

[–]SgvSth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just going to note that they seem to be referring to something that car makers did in the 1910s and 1920s regarding shaming jaywalking from that period of time. (Note: I think that was on reddit somewhere three or four months ago.)

[–]CorsarioNero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know only Americans make a big deal out of that. I was exaggerating a bit for comedic efefct.

[–]NSNick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The auto lobby was strong here in the US.

[–]Robby_Digital -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why does it weird you out? People shouldn't be willy nilly darting into traffic...

[–]warpus 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most countries have their legal "quirks", including the UK, Canada, Germany, and especially the U.S., a place where cops are able to "confiscate" (aka steal) your belongings if they even suspect you might have drugs on you or had drugs on you in the past. Depending on the state of course.

[–]Cymry_Cymraeg 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

jaywalking

Jaywalking isn't a thing in the rest of the world, we call it crossing the road. The US is the weird one for it even existing.

[–]kintamanimatt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not entirely. Poland for example has jaywalking laws.

[–]blaghart 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

You think that's bad, don't ever visit Japan. You ever play Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney? Yea the most unbelievable part of that game is that Phoenix would win a case as a defense attorney.

[–]StabbyPants 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

in japan, people tend to assume that if you're in court, you did something to get there

[–]Goldreaver 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Specially if you aren't japanese.

[–]oplontino 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, because the American legal system is a beacon which illuminates the world.

[–]ParagonOfDonuts 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do people think a cassation justice system is 'weird ass'? Same amount of appeals as in other western countries, same number of procedural and in-depth looks, same justice.

[–]ontopofyourmom 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

American law schools don't routinely teach any historical law (other than smattering of old common law). That includes Roman law...

[–]Raingembow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then you really are missing out.

[–]dIoIIoIb 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

you would never get 5 years in jail, don't worry, you'd only get a 10 years long trial, half of them spent in prison for no real reason, that ends with you being cleared of all charges

[–]DrKronin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

this and the Amanda Knox trial

Don't forget the witch-hunts that followed Ayrton Senna's death. What a crock.

[–]arsenale 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]oplontino 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Certo, almeno in Italia non ti uccidono per essere nero, marron'. Sti americani so pazz.

[–]arsenale -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Se cominciassimo a discuterne... non sarebbe più finita :-)

[–]perplexedm -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should also check how Italian marines case with India went through.