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[–]RajaRajaC 62 points63 points64 points  (128 children)
Hijacking the thread to ask a question.
Why doesn't the world, esp the American state show the same solidarity with India when it has over the past decade been ravaged by Islamic terror?
[–]iamPause 66 points67 points68 points  (127 children)
Preface: What I say below is cold, callous, and it comes across as extremely racist. I work for large company and we hire a lot of "contractors" which is a politically correct way to say hire a lot of Indian programmers. One of my great friends at work is from Madurai. His wife is lovely and his kids are hilarious. That sounds a lot like saying "I'm not racist, I have a friend who is black!" but it's the best I can do.
Americans don't care about the violence in India because we don't respect your country. We don't consider you an equal. To us, you are just like Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Syria, and their lot: backwards, undeveloped, and behind the times. To us, you are a lower tier of humans.
France is a civilized country. Americans can go there and feel safe and comfortable. They have laws similar to ours, a government we can respect and (for the most part) trust. We don't fear being detained randomly by French police for doing something that no western-born person would consider against the laws.
India is poor. Dirt poor, literally. Your government is known to be corrupt, and your culture is an embarrassment to human rights. It seems that every week or so there is a story in /r/worldnews about women being raped, having acid thrown on them, and/or beaten. Not to mention the fact that the caste system is still strong as ever.
Americans don't care about India because India is a ghetto of a country. It's uncivilized barbarians attacking more uncivilized barbarians. It's the exact same reason that we don't care about violence on the south side of Chicago.
Until you "look like us" and start to act "like us" you will never be a culture we particularly care about. We care about our own, and you aren't one of us.
[–]through_a_ways 22 points23 points24 points  (0 children)
Ironically, the racist/discriminatory attitude that you describe in your post was also unintentionally exhibited in your post. I guess this only backs up your actual point.
Your government is known to be corrupt, and your culture is an embarrassment to human rights. It seems that every week or so there is a story in /r/worldnews about women being raped, having acid thrown on them, and/or beaten.
The thing is, we also hear incidents of unjustified police brutality against innocent people about every other day in the US. India also has more people than the entire western hemisphere, so one should expect to see a lot more of any given thing. If there's a particularly high profile event, coverage of similar events will increase in its wake. That's just how news works.
[–]Ithia 73 points74 points75 points  (13 children)
after living in USA (from western europe) for 1 and half year I have arrived to the conclusion that americans are among the most ignorant, uncivilized, violent, stupid, racist people in the world. Really few cultures can match the level of ignorance reached by americans.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas 34 points35 points36 points  (7 children)
americans are among the most ignorant, uncivilized, violent, stupid, racist people in the world
his comment receiving over 100+ upvotes confirms it, right when Americans had the chance to shut down the ignorant part of their society they decided to upvote it
[–]BuntRuntCunt comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points  (5 children)
Reddit loves hating america, especially hipster american redditors, of course they would upvote this. That doesn't mean that the majority of americans believe that indians are sub-human, that's absurd.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas 22 points23 points24 points  (2 children)
No, I think a lot of Americans might have just shown their true colors by upvoting that bigotry.
[–]Bruce_Gender comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (1 child)
A lot of us upvoted it and we aren't American.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I am proud to know that.
[–]Robcrates 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Jesus christ does the world hate us that much?
[–]danny_zx [score hidden]  (0 children)
Yes. And they always will. Stick to your own.
Check out /r/asianmasculinity for information.
[–]HairyBlighter [score hidden]  (0 children)
I upvoted it and I'm an Indian in America. I don't agree with it. But it's certainly something that people should be aware about. It's a huge stretch to extrapolate this view to the whole population of America, but it is a view held by a considerable population and people should rather be aware of it than be blissfully ignorant.
[–]BuntRuntCunt 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Where were you living? A tiny minority of people I have met in my entire life in America would describe Indians as sub-human barbarians.
[–]Robcrates 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Hey man, don't generalize like that. It's generalizing like this that leads to prejudices and that are baseless. Yeah I agree that this statement is disgusting and I do not appreciate it either but it isn't fair to lump us all together like that. If all 300 million or so American's had a chance to vote on this comment, I am sure hardly any of us would have even voted, but still it isn't fair to the rest of us who aren't violent, racist, bigoted, stupid, uncivilized people.
[–]soggyindo [score hidden]  (0 children)
Look at the upvotes one of the worst, most racist things that could be said on the internet gets.
MORE PEOPLE ARE AGREEING WITH HIM THAN ARE DISAGREEING WITH HIM
[–]Kreigertron 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
So you have only lived in rich white countries but feel qualified to judge something like that?
[–]spaceotter23 -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
What an incredibly foolish thing to say. I hope you will elaborate in order to justify your opinion
[–]enantiodromia_ 60 points61 points62 points  (6 children)
I care about the violence on the South side of Chicago and about what happens in India. And I dislike your comment immensely. When you write with the term "we," you're not including me, so speak for yourself. It's quite distasteful, and I'm ashamed to be an American just from reading it.
[–]Capatillar 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)
I think we read his comment in different ways. When he says "we" he is not talking about you, he's talking about the average American. You care about India, but most Americans honestly don't care about it nearly as much as they care about France and I think his reasoning is pretty spot on for why they feel that way.
[–]mintberrycrunch111 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Lets be rational here, one of the main reasons it seems like the attack on France is getting so much attention is because social media has grown considerably since the Mumbai attacks and as has reddit. I remember CNN talking about the Mumbai attacks for 2 days straight. This isn't about that though, this is about a user taking the opportunity to say racist material that he believes and just claim that all Americans think this way in order to avoid getting in trouble with the mods.
[–]CA2TX 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Agreed. And I think it's wrong to be offended and upset by it-I think it's an honest look at how we view other countries. Or how that one guy sees it.
I hate that we can't say things that are honest and uncomfortable without this kind of response. Of course there are many Americans who care deeply about India and other poor countries. But open the newspaper, turn on the news and generally speaking, we get news on other 1st world countries that we do a lot of business with and care about. That can change. It's not a condemnation. Not every other country in the world gives a shit about us either.
[–]FirstWorldAnarchist -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
His post showed up on my front-page from SRS. People on that board are so easily offended by anything it is not funny. That place is filthy.
Anyway, I agree with you. Just compare the way media covers deadly attacks on a "1st world" country and a middle eastern country. 130 deaths is nothing for a place like Iraq so whenever it happens it is barely gazed over in the news. There are a lot of unfortunate double standards in life and yet we have people acting like they don't exist at all.
[–]barnburning 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
you are a lower tier of humans.
your culture is an embarrassment to human rights.
uncivilized barbarians
you aren't one of us.
Yep, and many of these barbarian people/lower tier humans with shitty culture go on to settle here produce spawn that hold bachelor's degrees that are 5 times the national average, hold the highest household incomes, have 92% of their children living in 2 parent households, disproportionately attend Ivy League universities, and make meaningful contributions in the public, academic, and entertainment spheres. Yeah, fuck their shit culture and shit customs that their parents raised them in while living in new environments that they (mostly) embrace wholeheartedly.
also:
south side of Chicago.
your pretending like this isn't America is mind-boggling.
[–]Wangeye 103 points104 points105 points  (41 children)
You act like you're speaking for all Americans. You aren't.
[–]asdfioho [score hidden]  (0 children)
I know right? That was one of the most bullshit comments I've ever read.
[–]nickkid42 43 points44 points45 points  (1 child)
But he is speaking for enough Americans were his statement expresses the general sentiment of the country
[–]treebard127 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
That's pretty sad then. How arrogant, though that seems to be a common theme
[–]TrialsAndTribbles 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
Just the majority.
[–]iamPause 24 points25 points26 points  (8 children)
You act like you're speaking for all Americans. You aren't.
Of course I'm not. The same way that the four (or however many) people that committed these acts of terror don't speak for all Muslims, or all of the people from wherever it ends up they came from. /u/RajaRajaC asked why Americans don't seem to show the same outrage when similar acts happen in his country, and I gave him a broad overview of how some people (perhaps even "most") think in this country. Obviously not everyone shares the same beliefs.
Of course my post was racist, but nobody was supposed to take every line literally. That's why the line about "look like us" and "act like us" were in quotes. I don't mean skin color, I mean something deeper. We tend to like countries that look and act like we do. Japan, England, France, Canada. A country where we can sit down at a McDonalds and here the same Hotline Bling song that we can't escape here in the States.
Of course Americans care about other countries and other races. Hell, we give $86 million to India alone. But people cherry pick examples and try to pretend that America is some wonderful melting pot and that racism doesn't exist. You think because Ferguson was on the news that we don't have racial issues? You are delusional. Ferguson and Charleston and all the others were on the news because of the known racial tensions we have. Donald Trump called Mexicans rapists and yet he leads the polls for the Republican ticket, and still people are going to try to say that my post doesn't reflect the views of most Americans.
I don't actually believe that Indians are a lower tier or less important, but ask yourself this question: If you were told that the US was going to spend $100 Billion on either providing universal healthcare to Americans or building up India's infrastructure, what do you think most Americans would vote for?
OP asked why attacks in India don't get much coverage, and I told him why. My post does not reflect the view of every American, but it does reflect the majority, whether you like it or not.
[–]RajaRajaC 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
That's 86 mn. Roughly 0.001% of the GDP of India. India gave out $ 12bn as a line of credit to Africa.
[–]iamPause comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
You are correct. I originally had $2.5 billion but that was total aid from all countries. Fixed the number to US only but forgot to change to millions.
[–]Kreigertron [score hidden]  (1 child)
Something to note is that India usually tries to decline outside aid and usually only takes it to avoid creating embarrassment in the donor countries.
The issue blew up a few years ago when the UK Foreign office basically forced them to accept aid to update the transit system in Mumbai with GPS tracking, something most areas of Britain does not have and many local programs are being cut under Austerity since the GFC.
[–]asdfioho [score hidden]  (0 children)
Nah, your whole comment was absolute nonsense.
Grow up in a rough area and watch how you get desensitized to violence
See how many Indians care about Ahmadi and Iranian lives lost to Sunni Islamic terror in Pakistan compared to Mumbai attacks.
You may have this weird-ass racial complex, but that's really not the case for the rest of the world. If it was about racism, why don't white Americans blink an eye (relatively) for violence in white Eastern European countries either?
You're dumb. And weird. Sorry.
[–]Hawanja 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
The reason why America has racial tensions is because of you racist assholes. You people are the ones fucking this country up.
To everyone else: Don't listen to this moron. Americans do not think you're a lower class of human. This piece of shit is the lower tier of human.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points  (0 children)
Donald Trump called Mexicans rapists
Nope, he said Mexico is sending its worst to the USA which includes rapists and murderers. Your post does not reflect the view of majority of Americans, though I will say, given that reddit and youtube comments attract the lowest common denominator of our society, I am not shocked that your post received as many upvotes as it did. I am also convinced that this is truly how you feel about third world countries and people with darker skin as well.
[–]BihariButProudIndian comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (0 children)
I don't actually believe that Indians are a lower tier or less important, but ask yourself this question: If you were told that the US was going to spend $100 Billion on either providing universal healthcare to Americans or building up India's infrastructure, what do you think most Americans would vote for?
Irrelevant.
[–]BihariButProudIndian 10 points11 points12 points  (16 children)
Yes he is. This is the truth. I know that Americans as a whole are not vocal about everything. I'm sure that in the back of their minds, they don't give a rat's ass about it since we're non-white.
[–]acsdfhawlfjw 8 points9 points10 points  (7 children)
It's not skin color that matters here. It's being a "first world" country, in their minds. The Japanese aren't white, and a terror attack on this scale there would have a very similar reaction as Paris. Perhaps not as much, but pretty close.
India is looked down on because it's poor. At least for most of the country. And the rest is a caricature of capitalism. A very small few getting obscenely rich on the backs of dirty peasants. It's backwards and ugly, to Western eyes. And that engenders no respect or sympathy.
[–]BihariButProudIndian -4 points-3 points-2 points  (6 children)
It's not skin color that matters here. It's being a "first world" country, in their minds. The Japanese aren't white, and a terror attack on this scale there would have a very similar reaction as Paris. Perhaps not as much, but pretty close.
We'll see. Hopefully India will be great again at the magnitude of our ancestors. I certainly will do my part to bring it to that level.
A very small few getting obscenely rich on the backs of dirty peasants.
Same with the west, actually.
[–]acsdfhawlfjw 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
Not nearly the same magnitude. If you think so, you're really deluding yourself.
[–]BihariButProudIndian 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
Not nearly the same magnitude. If you think so, you're really deluding yourself.
It's not. But for a 1st world country, America specifically is doing that.
[–]acsdfhawlfjw 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
Sure, but we're talking impressions and general feelings in the populace. You simply can't compare on that front. At all. The US isn't exactly stellar on that front compared to a lot of European nations, but it's a far, far cry from India and similar places.
[–]BihariButProudIndian 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Sure, but we're talking impressions and general feelings in the populace. You simply can't compare on that front. At all. The US isn't exactly stellar on that front compared to a lot of European nations, but it's a far, far cry from India and similar places.
Of course. Any industrializing country is like that.
[–]Hawanja 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
That's not true at all. Please don't take this guy's attitude as indicative of all Americans. This guy comes from a very narrow, and ever shrinking subculture. Racism like his is already a fringe belief in America, hopefully it will die out one day.
[–]dissdigg 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
American here, I know hope feels good, but I honestly think it's getting worse.
[–]Dahaka97 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (5 children)
NO. Just no. It's not racism it has nothing to do with ethnicity or religion, it's everything to do with how civilized you are and whether or not there's universal principles that are shared across the board.
Simple tribalism, and very understandable. I'm by no means a racist and feel terrible about what's going on in India (you can believe me or not, I don't care) but I feel a bigger sense of grief when 129 people are killed because they wanted to live life and have fun on the wrong night and some fanatic cunts decided to kill them because they hate their way of life than when some Indians rape within their country which the government won't do anything against. I do feel bad for those people, but nowhere near the same level as Paris, and I think for understandable reason. That doesn't mean me or even iampause automatically hate you for being different, it means that overall, people have closer ties, allegiance and empathy with people who they share attributes with, especially when it's things like the principles of freedom and modern civilization being the reason people lost their lives to violent monsters.
[–]BihariButProudIndian -3 points-2 points-1 points  (4 children)
than when some Indians rape within their country which the government won't do anything against.
Top Kek. The government doesn't do anything about anything. It's not a matter of discriminating against raep cases. Plus, America has a higher rape rate than we do. Actually THAT was the reason why there was such an outcry.
like the principles of freedom and modern civilization being the reason people lost their lives to violent monsters.
KEK. This "modern civilization" in the west came from exploiting the already modern ones (India being one of them). We have the first civilization and many aspects mirror modern western civilization. I can see your so-called "freedom" with...
"liberty and justice for all" *Except Blacks (Historically)
And also oppression and ruthless force used against Native Africans in South Africa by the white South African invaders.
Oh, we had the concept of elections, debates, etc in ancient India.
Even though whites may not HATE non-whites, they do have a general condescending attitude towards non-whites. No doubt.
[–]Dahaka97 -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
Nah, it's culture not skin color. But you can go fuck yourself though. I gave you very valid arguments on why this happens, and it happens across the board with all people. Instead you make it about "muh oppression" I feel bad about innocent people suffering anywhere, but your country wasn't the victim of some rape epidemic that was a planned effort to hurt the people in your country for it's beliefs. And bringing up past and present problems doesn't make what I said about these countries false. Paris was drenched in blood following the years of the Terror, but out of it came the hallmark of western values. And you can bitch about people not giving you attention being racist as much as you like, but that's not any sort of detracting argument, that's you bitching that other countries linked by history and principle caring about each other more because of that connection.
I don't see you bringing up what's happening in Chechnya, I guess that makes you a lying, hypocritical racist according to your line of thinking? Or is it just that it's not as relevant to you as what's going on in your country.
All in all, I can summarize it as this; fuck you, your political agenda is shit and you're a fucking asshole for trying to sweep aside a mass murder of innocent civilians and saying people who're distraught by it are racist for not holding the issues that don't have a lot to do with them over this tragedy that affects us.
[–]BihariButProudIndian [score hidden]  (2 children)
And what "culture?"
Kek so history should be forgotten? Even when the cuntwads don't even have the decency to apologize?
Lel.
And mass murder? Bringing 2002, eh? Kek. Are you guys that dumb to even read history? The Muslims burned down an entire train full of Hindu pilgrims. And the Hindus are at fault for this? For what? Being a eevvviilll hindoo heathen? Being a Hindu is a crime now? What do you think they should do? Just stand there? Are you guys that stupid where doing 5th grade reading comprehension is difficult? Heh
[–]Dahaka97 [score hidden]  (1 child)
I'm done with you. Your "argumentation" is a mix of "kek" and confusing me explaining tribalism and the general way that humans work on this issue (the reference to Chechnya was as an example) And then there's the sweet dripping irony of you saying I lack reading comprehension list when you haven't addressed a single thing I said and instead opt for talking about shit I never said as representations of my point/stance.
Kindly fuck off.
[–]BihariButProudIndian [score hidden]  (0 children)
And then there's the sweet dripping irony of you saying I lack reading comprehension list when you haven't addressed a single thing I said and instead opt for talking about shit I never said as representations of my point/stance.
Oh no. It's rather your idiotic ignorance if you think India doesn't support human rights. This is not ISIS. Idiotic westerners act like it is.
What did I not address? Do you think I don't worry about Chechnya. In fact, the Eastern Europeans are ones who I respect since they actually were against some hypocritical BS done by western Europeans and helped my country out during the Soviet Era! Note: My argument wasn't about race.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas 4 points5 points6 points  (9 children)
I am still surprised by the fact that this post received that many upvotes because as an American, I can confidently say we don't have those beliefs and this country is a lot more than just white people.
[–]eronen 10 points11 points12 points  (5 children)
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, so I'm going to assume you actually think that way.
Have you met every American? All 318.9 million of us? You don't know that there are some people who do feel that way towards India or countries similar to it. We are not the pride and glory of the world, we are pretty shitty people with issues of our own. Also it's not just white people that are racist, every one has the possibility to be racist towards a race or group of people.
I'm sure there are some amazing and wonderful people in America that are doing a lot of good, but there are also some terrible people of any race that are causing chaos.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
I'm sure there are some amazing and wonderful people in America that are doing a lot of good, but there are also some terrible people of any race that are causing chaos.
But are you telling me these terrible people are the majority? Not really.
Last I checked, lots of us cared about the shootings that happened in Charleston and even Ferguson.
[–]eronen 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
I never said that the either good or bad people are the majority of US citizens.
You're correct, there were a lot of people who cared about Ferguson and Charleston. I'm pretty sure that there are some people who didn't care about what happened (though I didn't find a poll or article about the percentage of people who cared about ferguson/Charleston and people who didn't).
[–]Dahaka97 -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
big whoops, but having stronger ties to fellow 1st world countries isn't being a terrible person, it's having strong ties to countries who you share ethical, humanitarian and social principles with.
[–]BihariButProudIndian [score hidden]  (0 children)
KEK. And India doesn't support the same human rights as the west. In fact, we were the first ones to have such while western barbarians were carrying on their belligerent nature!
[–]BihariButProudIndian -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
some
Key word: SOME.
[–]acsdfhawlfjw 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Sure. But the big problem here isn't skin color. It's culture. And within the US, even with the massive differences within the country, the vast, vast majority identify with rich, western countries with safe, clean streets, functioning democratic governments, where corruption is looked down on and abject poverty isn't something you're confronted with daily.
How are those people supposed to empathize with and not look down on India and similar countries?
It's really not about skin color here. It's about everything else.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas -5 points-4 points-3 points  (1 child)
It is, he said "look like us".
[–]acsdfhawlfjw 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
That can be taken a lot of different ways. It can mean that their lifestyles look like ours. Or a thousand other things. The fact that you immediately go to physical traits probably says more about you.
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
I'm pretty sure we don't care about Indian news because we're super close with Europe and not with Indian, and our people associated a lot with France. Nothing this guy says makes any good sense.
We also barely care about Japanese news, but they are equally developed and respected.
I also don't see shit about south Africa.
[–]nebbyb 48 points49 points50 points  (20 children)
It doesn't come across as racist, it is racist.
[–]EnviousDan 60 points61 points62 points  (4 children)
He makes a point though. How often have you heard someone complain about "Jeff" on the phone who is clearly an Indian man that's hard to understand? Or seen reddit bash India after a rape case goes global news? America has a racism problem and it affects how much we care about who gets attacked.
[–]nebbyb 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
I agree, I was making it clear the stance he was describing was racist, not just that it sounds racist.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (2 children)
They do talk about the rude and smelly French a lot too here in the USA, lets not even talk about the whole French women not shaving their armpits myth. Fact of the matter is, we just have a lot of angry and racist bigots and in times like these, plenty of them show their true colors. This is an excuse for the crazies in the USA to turn this into a white vs. everybody else race war.
[–]Taervon 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
The whole 'rude and smelly french' thing is as big of a meme as 'everything in australia can kill you' and 'all americans are fat and stupid'
It's not even remotely the same thing. It's western cultures making fun of another western culture, the same way a friend might poke fun at your clothing or the way you speak.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points  (0 children)
the whole smelly indian thing is for the most part the same way as well
there is no brotherhood between America and most of western europe
[–]fack_yo_couch 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
No shit. You don't think they took that into account when they made the post? If we are ever to overcome racism, we have to take a hard look at ourselves and face some hard truths. Don't shoot the messenger.
[–]nebbyb 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
I wasn't shooting anyone. Saying it "sounds racist" leaves too much wiggle room. The statement should be "here is the racist reason we, as a society, don't care."
[–]CA2TX 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Right. Well conversations about race are often racist. Should we not have them? Or could these conversations lead somewhere productive?
[–]nebbyb 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
They can be productive if they are honest and don't hide behind qualifiers.
[–]soggyindo [score hidden]  (0 children)
Fuck that. Ban him from the subreddit. There is no good here.
[–]HolyGarbage -2 points-1 points0 points  (8 children)
Technically not racist. It's nationalist. Which is equally bad though.
[–]nebbyb 4 points5 points6 points  (7 children)
It is both really. Once you start throwing in the brown stuff, you have gone racist.
[–]HolyGarbage -2 points-1 points0 points  (6 children)
And that was never mentioned in the post.
[–]nebbyb 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
Look at his examples. Don't see Bulgaria there, do you? When people start talking about ghetto, we are talking brown unless we are talking about WWII.
[–]HolyGarbage -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
Why doesn't the world, esp the American state show the same solidarity with India [...]
It's an reply to this question.
[–]nebbyb 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
Exactly. The question was why do we care about European countries more than brown ones like India.
[–]HolyGarbage -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
Yeah but the point he was making was about the countries themselves and the people living there and his motivations where arguments of the countries, not the people's ethnicity.
[–]rylltraka -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
I would argue that it is a (mostly) different kind of prejudice and that we should be careful painting it with the "racism" brush.
[–]liltrap 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
This is actually the most sad and racist comment I've read on this website
[–]ZebraSweet 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Thank you for explaining it, regardless of all the hate you are getting for it. Thank you for acknowledging the truth of the situation.
[–]shy 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
It's a little sad to read such an idiotic statement.
You talk about a corrupt government, when the American government is greatly reliant on big money.
You talk about an embarassment to human rights, when the American government has a horrible track record in its time of existence, and is an ally with Saudi Arabia.
You talk about rape stories that surface once or twice a week with "India" slapped on the front... India has a significantly lower rape statistic than America, even though it contains 700,000 more people, totaling over 1 billion people.
[–]KingRape 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
It doesn't just come off as extremely racist, it is. I would respect you just the tiniest iota more (still in the negatives) if you didn't have to throw the "I'm best friends with them!!!!" argument. And yeah, acknowledging it's stupidity doesn't magically make it valid.
To us, you are a lower tier of humans
The fact that this has 108 upvotes really makes me hate this website. I can tell you this, you aren't speaking for me as an American.
[–]TheNobleCasserole 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
India is poor. Dirt poor, literally. Your government is known to be corrupt
And the U.S. is clearly not corrupt.
[–]ManoshD 12 points13 points14 points  (2 children)
Given the atmosphere on reddit as of late to where having these sorts of views is worth that many upvoted (all that's missing is his comment being glided) there is a good chance my comment will receive a lot of flak but I will share my experience and my thoughts on this matter nonetheless.
As an Indian guy who was born and raised in the USA, I have felt love from Americans for the most part. I had sleepovers with my friends who were mostly white, got along well with them, we shared dishes and they loved Indian foods, our moms liked each other, I dated American women, and managed to make friends with American people of various backgrounds. Along the way, I encountered people just like you. People who are so engaged in politics, history, and always have their heads in the news to where that is all of what their life consists of. Reading and seeing the hostility in the world but never really experiencing the kindness that humanity has to offer.
Sites like reddit and comments on youtube tend to be havens for individuals such as those with your views. It must suck to have lived your entire life behind a computer screen believing that humanity is loaded with so much hate, the reddit gold and karma must be all that keeps you going from what I see.
As much as it hurt me and other Indians to know that individuals like you have supporters, I was once told that the best revenge is living well. I have no doubt in my mind that people like you are out there and wish nothing better for an America where everyone is white and those filthy darker skinned people are sent back and rotting away in their third world countries. The good ol days, where everyone is white and all of the minorities are just one small part of your imagination. Deep down inside, this is how you truly feel no matter how much you'll deny it.
But I know that in this great country, there are plenty of rational, educated, and loving people. I know that Americans cared when some nutjob who held views that were very similar to yours decided to harm a lot of church going people in South Carolina and I know that Americans are there whenever an earth quake strikes Haiti or Tsunami strikes an Asian country.
You do not speak for this amazing country and you fortunately never will. So while you sit away telling reddit how amazing it is that those filthy brown people are dying in natural disasters or how great it is that black kid was shot in the ghetto, just know that there are those of us who have experienced the true beauty of American people and we (white, black, asian, hispanic, indian of both kinds, and mixed) do care for humanity as a whole.
So to any Indian person reading this, hear it from an American guy of Indian descent who has experienced the kindness a lot of Americans are capable of. This guy does not speak for the majority, you're just hearing the opinions of a very vocal minority in our country. I will not change his opinion but I hope that my comment can change whatever view of Americans you may have had after reading his comment.
While people like him are sitting on the web and projecting their hateful views on to whoever may read them, I want you to know that there are countless Indians, Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and people of all nationalities who are living a successful and fulfilling life in the United States while also getting along quite well with the white population here.
[–]musila -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
Lol some Indian Americans love sucking up. Have a spine man. I've experienced kindness from Americans too but I know how we're seen.
[–]lebron181 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
It did came off as pandering though. Nevertheless, his experience gave him a different outlook than what others may feel. I feel it's unfair to label him as such though.
[–]armorandsword 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Why would there be an apostrophe in "Americans" but no other plural?
[–]iamPause 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
SwiftKey wants me to look dumb. Thanks, I fixed it.
[–]drawlinnn 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
This is some of the most racist shit I've read on here. You truly are a piece of shit.
[–]Bringbackglenn 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
Not quite related to India but the "look like us" part? I am assuming you mean white people but let me fact check you on that.
  1. Ferguson riots? Those were on the news for quite some time and there was a nationwide uproar over that.
  2. Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman? Both non-whites but that was on the news for quite some time.
  3. Shooting at a mostly black Charleston church? Well, guess what folks, that was on the news for quite some time too and received nationwide attention.
  4. Earthquakes and natural disasters in Asia? Those remain on the news for a very long period of time as well.
Not only is your post in general full of bigotry and racism, it is highly inaccurate. This post is just a war cry for white nationalists across the planet, reddit should be ashamed of itself for upvoting nonsense like this.
[–]RationalOutsider 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
But he is absolutely right. That is exactly how the average American/European/Whatever PC term you want to use for Whites view the world.
In fact, I think he's being very PC with the usage of terms like "civilized", "West", and "like us" as a code word for White.
At least he's being candid enough. The ones denouncing him sharing his thoughts are the ones who are doing a disservice for non-White people. They are the ones keeping non-White people plugged into the Matrix, building up propaganda that blinds non-Whites from understanding how White people truly see them - as sub-human creatures.
Please do them a favor and stop camouflaging White supremacism to make yourself feel better. Stop covering up the nature of White supremacism. Stop with the vague platitudes of "you don't talk for us", "you are a racist", etc. Stop with the cover job. Don't confuse them.
"If you do not understand White supremacy —what it is and how it works—everything else you know will only confuse you." - Neely Fuller, Jr.
[–]Bringbackglenn 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
But he is absolutely right.
lol he is not
[–]Ilovepinacoladas -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
But he is absolutely right.
he is not
[–]ComeAtMeBro__ 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
iampause
Non-white person here, going to college in U.S. I actually agree with what you wrote. I've tried describing the mindset of White Westerners but you described it very articulately and accurately. Whether the mindset is conscious or subconscious it's still accurate. Considering non-whites as subhuman is a step above than what I thought. I thought White Westerners considered non-whites as not even human that would explain all of the atrocities committed by White Westerners against non-white subhumans for the past 400 or years. White Westerners are genetically predisposed to thinking non-whites are inferior subhumans or not humans at all. White Westerners having the mindset that others are sub-human has proved to a huge genetic advantage for Whites. This is what allowed the Europeans to terrorize, kill, plunder and loot the rest of the world without impunity. Acts of genocide by White Westerners are no big deal when its against the subhumans. South Asia(India,Pakistan,Bangladesh) is the way it is because the Brits looted it for 200 years. British Industrial Revolution started with the theft and plundering of the subhman South Asians. The "wealth" that Europeans have is from outright theft from the subhumans of the world. With regards to France: Bleed Africa to feed France. So now the White Westerners sit atop the world with their "wealth" calling everyone else terrorists and barbarians without stopping to think that they may be as well?
I like having open and frank discussions helps us all learn. I liked what you wrote...so have an upvote.
[–]icecreammachine [score hidden]  (0 children)
The part were you make generalizations about Americans' view of India wasn't so bad.
The part where you call India uncivilized is pretty bad. Wtf does that even mean? India is uncivilized? Since when does poverty and corruption mean a place is uncivilized?
And wtf does "dirt poor, literally", mean?
[–]Burlenwan2 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
I want to make it clear that as Europeans, there isn't that much in common with you outside of ethnic appearance (and even then our populations are quite diverse). Most Europeans do not view Americans as "our own" and a lot of times, we are quite puzzled as to why Americans some Americans become so angry at the immigration of other ethnic groups into Europe when it does not concern them. The perception of American tourists is quite low and most Europeans are not that interested in bonding with some random white male from America because he happens to be white. A lot of Europeans do not see Americans as "their own" even though they might like them (the same can be said of a lot of other countries that practice freedom and progressive values, such as those in South America which are mostly catholic), they might see their European neighbors as their brothers but Americans to them are not one of their own.
What happened as a tragedy is truly sad and disheartening but if this many people died in any country, especially India, it would be on the news and we would all feel sad that such a tragedy has occurred. To see any country on this planet have to deal with something this awful is sad, regardless of how dark their skin might be. If people in America truly think like this, then it makes me sad to know that a country that great has people who could care less about a person being killed by extremists just because their skin might be dark.
I am guessing that if comments like this get upvotes, then this is truly how a lot of Americans feel and could explain the issues with racism the country has had as of late.
[–]Trishness -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
So your perception of American tourists is the majority perception? Your opinion speaks for most Europeans? Using your logic, by the number of upvotes your comment gets I should believe that.
Sorry, but your comment is no better than his. Not every American is racist. He does not speak for all Americans.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
I agree that his comment about American tourists is uncalled for but it is not unfair for him to say that most Europeans do not see Americans as "brothers" like the OP implies, most people would say that is accurate and it is IMPORTANT to point out that there is none of this brotherhood between Americans and Europeans. Lets face it, OP's comment is just a war cry for white nationalists across the world to unite that quite a few racists have decided to upvote.
[–]Trishness 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Agreed. And OP again does not speak for all Americans that we see Europeans as our "brothers and sisters". We may say that in times like this as a show of solidarity...that's it. I sure as hell respect them though.
[–]sk8dayornight -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
The immigration situation in Europe has some effect on the U.S. The U.S. already takes in more refugees per capita than just about every European country and the U.N. is suggesting we do our part and take in even more from the middle east. It's pretty insulting. More importantly though, the immigration problem in Europe mirrors the immigration problem with people from Mexico and central america entering the U.S. Europeans on this website would always comment on how racist we are for our views on illegal immigration when it's only been a few months and a fraction of the number of immigrants and suddenly your leaders are starting to say similar things.
To touch on your second point, the reason it seems like we don't care when people die in India is because things that happen frequently are expected. People are brutally raped or murdered there all the time. Same with Africa. There's no international outcry when 100 people in Africa die because it's a war-torn continent. At the beginning of the war in Afghanistan there were news articles every time someone died. By the end of the war, the only time there were articles was when a large number of people died. People don't die in terrorist attacks often in France, so it becomes big news.
[–]dukesam 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Wow this is the most American thing I've ever read.
[–]Ilovepinacoladas 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
I am surprised at the large group of people who upvoted this garbage, talk about the racism on reddit showing it's real face while for the most part this nonsense would have been downvoted. What gives guys?
It is events like this that let bigoted views like the OP (lets face it, he actually does believe this nonsense) show up. This post is just an excuse for a person with a bigoted view to express his hatred towards a particular group of people. You see, sites like reddit to attract the lowest common denominator of American society. America has an a large number of Indians who come to the country, make it big (it is the highest earning ethnic group in all of the USA), live in wealthy neighborhoods, and even become governors of states like Louisiana.
Last I checked, when Mumbai was attacked, it was on the news for quite some time and plenty of people in the USA found it to be sad. Social media at the time might not have been big enough for us to talk about it like this so that may shift some of the opinions people have. Same with these attacks happening in other areas of the world.
I say this as an American, this country is MORE than just white people with European roots ,and we dislike terrorist bullies who attack those that are helpless and cannot defend themselves (no matter what color they might be). Even if you don't give a shit about some random person being killed by these nutjobs because their skin is darker than white, there are plenty of Americans who feel the saddened whenever an attack like this happens to people of any color. It is one of the beautiful things about America and its people, readers I want you to know that OP does not speak for all (or even most) Americans.
You can downvote me for being some SJW but the fact of the matter is, this kind of bigotry cannot fly if we as humanity are to band together against some of the evil that is out there.
PS: Black lives matter is a major hastag and it makes national news whenever some poor black kid is shot by a cop, and it is on the news for quite some time too.
[–]TrialsAndTribbles comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
Cultural equivalency is a lie.
[–]Topyka2 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Yeah, you're right. You are a pretty shit person, and I would pay money to throw a bottle at your skull.
[–]GearyDigit 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Fuck off, Stormfront.
[–]allrounder799 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
You sound like someone who is reading about India on Wiki, participating in those world news bashing threads, reading random news articles by BBC and have developed a hollow understanding about India's image. You my friend are a closet racist.
Infact the original question poster is stupid enough to ask such a question in a thread filled with "civilized" "racist" people. Leave them fending with there own problems.
[–]BihariButProudIndian 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
You my friend are a closet racist.
Most westerners are when it comes to India. FACT.
[–]advicethrowaway05 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Nice job being racist, buddy.
[–]megalomaniac678 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Speak for yourself and not every american.
Some points are really valid (corruption, women safety, religious intolerance) and India, as a society, should be ashamed of them (I am embarrassed as I type this).
However, you are technically wrong at a couple of places: Its not the "culture" which is an embarrassment, its the 'deeds'. Super thick line there. Also, IMHO, there's really no such thing as 'American Culture', esp compared to the richness and vibrancy of the Indian culture. Had to mention this because I really doubt you have your shit together when it comes to Indian Culture 101. And Americans don't necessarily react to world events with genuine care. It's more often than not, political. You're the one looming in fool's paradise if somehow you feel a 'brotherhood' connection with your European 'soulmates'.
You seemed like a well informed chap in the beginning, but when you start throwing in shit like "look like us" and "act like us" and make cringe-worthy generalizations, you burn away whatsoever grace you have, much like a lot of Americans I met during my 6 years of living in the United States.
BTW, Ironically, I felt much more respected for who I was and what I did in the US than in India ( perhaps too much competition and low visibility)
[–]scandiumflight 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Or, maybe it has more to do with the US-Pakistan alliance that has always plagued our relationship with India. India allied itself with the Soviet Union back in 1971, pushing them further from the US. I would guess that most Americans don't think much about India at all, and any negative feelings would just be associated with the frustration of outsourcing jobs there.
[–]BritishHobo 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
One of my great friends at work is from Madurai. His wife is lovely and his kids are hilarious. That sounds a lot like saying "I'm not racist, I have a friend who is black!"...
That's because IT IS what you're saying.
Your comment is full of this kind of empty defence. You're basically filtering your shitty views through an invisible filter. Like if you show the barest flicker of self-awareness about it being racist then maybe it somehow won't be racist.
[–]Nedlander 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Then dont cry when we dont care about you and shoot your cities up. You dont look like us
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    [–]soggyindo [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Holy fuck. Like looking into the brain of the KKK
    [–]grinding_teeth comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
    Most honest thing I have read in a long time. It's not about how rich a country is or the ethnicity of the people. It's about how the country "works". We don't care about India because even after British colonization and being the worlds biggest democracy it's foundation is rotten as proven by it still having the cast system. My friend who is Pakistani said he wouldn't move back and work there even if a company offered him lots of money to do it. I would rather be poor in this western country than rich in Africa.
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