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[–]obvwan 355ポイント356ポイント  (37子コメント)

The drawing reminded me of a drawing by Craig Ferguson

[–]Jungies 179ポイント180ポイント  (28子コメント)

True. It also reminds me of the work of modern media artist, Sarah Silverman

[–]chaosanc 69ポイント70ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ironically, the sensors make it dirtier. You have to really squint to remember that it's just Conan's mouth

[–]Jungies 41ポイント42ポイント  (3子コメント)

Exactly.

If I was the censor, I'd have blanked out Conan's mouth at the same time I did Sarah's phone. Seriously, what's the difference? 90 degrees? Really?

[–]OK_Soda 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The best part is that they don't censor it until it's in someone's lap. Even Andy Richter's. Like, that doesn't even make sense anymore.

[–]ottothecow [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The question on these things though is really...is the show intentionally doing it for comedic effect, or are the network censors really doing it?

[–]ViciousNakedMoleRat 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ironically, the sensors make it dirtier.

Louis CK - The N-word

[–]squintychino 63ポイント64ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Modern media artist" ....

[–]TheDukeOfBreakfast 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Came here to say this.... I miss Craig so much :'(

[–]vapeorama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep, Graig was top shelf entertainment alright!

[–]GreggHouse 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Craig was the best - This is the first time watching Colbert and I really enjoyed it! For the first time I think there's a talk show host I can enjoy as much as I enjoyed Craig.

Craig will always be my first love though.

[–]mugglesnuffin 1174ポイント1175ポイント  (333子コメント)

American culture is funny to watch from the sidelines.

[–]xOGxMuddbone 377ポイント378ポイント  (221子コメント)

As ridiculous as it is, it is really getting better. I remember way back when South Park aired their Night of a Million Shits or whatever it was with the shit counter and it was glorious. Now every show on USA, FX, or Comedy Central has to get their shit and god damn quotas in every episode. It's still so weird for my ears to hear on network TV.

I chose those networks only because I am positive they do it. I'm sure others are in the group too. It's only a matter of time until we have our first breast, then network tv will look like HBO. Then HBO will look like Playboy and so on and so forth. The times are a changin'!

[–]Kichigai 340ポイント341ポイント  (139子コメント)

The thing is, if it wanted to, TBS could air hard core porn right in the middle of the day. Cable networks are 100% unregulated, FCC can't do jack shit to ‘em. Cable networks just self-censor to maintain a family-friendly reputation.

[–]ManSkirtDude101 608ポイント609ポイント  (108子コメント)

It's more about maintaining a good relationship with advertisers.

[–]Kichigai 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Advertisers care about what viewers care about. Axe doesn't mind being associated with edgy content as long as viewers like it.

[–]usernamesuser 37ポイント38ポイント  (71子コメント)

And once the advertisers lose their power, with ad-free programming becoming the meta. Networks will be more free to decide upon their own content.

[–]ManSkirtDude101 38ポイント39ポイント  (52子コメント)

I do think we are gonna see more product placement in the future however.

[–]dickdrizzle 68ポイント69ポイント  (45子コメント)

I don't give a shit about that. Honestly, how unrealistic is it to see people eat at fake restaurants, drinking fake soda, in otherwise realistic settings?

[–]cowbeef01 60ポイント61ポイント  (22子コメント)

Sometimes it's a bit much though.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQYwFND7rHE

[–]dickdrizzle 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm thinking more like hey, they're drinking a beer that actually exists in the real world, like on a few shows I've seen recently.
That is just straight up terrible, but I love that they talk about Jared. Probably won't use that one in syndication.

[–]I_Am_JesusChrist_AMA 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I think the first season of True Detective did it alright. They had one of the main characters sitting there drinking Lonestar. It was obviously product placement, but it made sense with the character and they weren't completely in your face about it, so it wasn't distracting.

[–]da1hobo 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

[–]NebulaNinja 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Peeta would be concerned about his bread.

[–]TheDrambus 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

You should see the last season or 2 of the NBC show CHUCK. Subway basically paid for the show to be made, so at least 20% of each plot circled around Subway in some stupid way.

[–]cowbeef01 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

pfftt hahahahaha that is so hilariously bad

[–]RidinThatHOG 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy SHIT that was bad.

[–]ManSkirtDude101 26ポイント27ポイント  (11子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lgLYGBbDNs I know this is a parody but imagine product placement being abused like this all the time. Could be annoying.

[–]kencole54321 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

Product placement was abused in Jurassic Park, it's all downhill from here.

[–]GangsterJawa 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought it was pretty well lampshaded. It was an amusement park. What kind of amusement park DOESN'T have corporate names plastered over everything nowadays?

[–]ElmoTrooper 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Arrow season one with windows 8 was funny.

[–]TheSnugglyBurrick 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Now, I don't remember much of Arrow, life got in the way and I've put off watching it from halfway through season one. But what I do remember is the scene of a close up of the techy hacker lady clicking together her New Windows 8 Surface Pro with detachable Blue Keyboard. It just stood out so much from the way it was shot it was just too obviously product placement.

[–]medven 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nothing beats White Collar's love of Ford. They don't even try to hide it

https://youtu.be/7dr5lXmB7SQ

https://youtu.be/p5RhYe3zBeI

[–]Sinfall69 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you mean nothing beats The Walking Dead love of the Hyundai that never gets dirtier!

[–]GreggHouse 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And then their continuing love affair with BMW.

[–]Kichigai 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

And ad-free programming will only come when people are willing to pay what it costs to produce the content, plus a profit margin. You could have your shows ad-free right now if you wanted to go to Amazon, iTunes, Google Play or Xbox Live and buy it.

[–]sweaty-pajamas 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Although this is true, there are still MANY mainstream shows that you can only watch new episodes of through a classic cable subscription. I've gotten used to just watching old shit now so I don't care. I'll see Doctor Who season 9 when my library orders the DVD next year. On a side note, libraries are way under-utilized and have a ton of free shit you can watch. My library has the entire series of: Friends, Star Trek Next Generation, Lost, Parks & Rec, The Office, and way more!

[–]piperluck 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like others have said there still will be advertising or the content won't exist. People aren't going to make programming without sponsorship of some kind so they will always be somewhat beholden to some type of standard

[–]jimbojangles1987 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

But when Netflix takes over completely, advertisers will be desperate enough to offer the kind of money Netflix would accept to put commercials amidst their streaming. Hulu plus is starting to piss me off. Started off and we might only have had to watch 1 or 2 ads throughout the show, but now each "commercial break" is showing 4 ads. It definitely feels like I'm back to watching cable.

[–]garciasn 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Considering the companies who control Hulu, you basically are watching cable which is the entire point of why they own it.

[–]tbags96 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pay the extra 4$ or whatever and get rid of the commercials, it was a game changer

[–]jimbojangles1987 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I didn't know that was an option! I'll be looking into that for sure.

[–]compleo 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

If so HBO would be producing porn. They don't. People like porn but the majority like it on the side. Not prime time. Whatever that says about people I don't know but a lot of this is to do with audience tastes.

[–]PRNDL_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

Just to be clear... You are asserting that HBO is, in fact, NOT currently porn?

I'll just leave this here:

https://youtu.be/DsXInOPxgjY

[–]compleo 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

But nobody 'does' anyone or sucks any actual dick. They're acting. That whole video is a big shamefest. Nudity alone isn't porn. That's the point Colbert was making. Porn is two people actually fucking. I have never seen actual sex on HBO. I've seen tits, dicks and acting but no porn. Unless I'm missing out on something!

[–]MikeSV 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Porn is two people actually fucking.

So you are saying that a solo masturbation scene wouldn't be porn? What about two people dry humping while naked (hey, there's no penetration)? What about a naked woman doing one of those "jack off encouragement" videos? The definition of porn is very blurry and very subjective.

[–]xOGxMuddbone 23ポイント24ポイント  (17子コメント)

Yeah but unless the whole culture changes overnight, TBS would be ranked within the week. The Christian/conservative movement is entirely too strong and it would buckle the network. This is coming from a Southern Baptist active in his church. Our church has done nothing but talk about how America is going to hell in a hand basket bc of all the tolerance towards "the gays, sin, and evil." No shit. Clearly I don't follow in that rhetoric, but that's just how it is in the south. The people are decent people too set in their beliefs to see the hypocrisy. I believe in a higher power but I don't think our higher power wants us to destroy people who aren't like everybody else, nor should we shun them. I don't know how I got off on this tangent, but yeah, that's why it wouldn't work right now...

[–]battraman 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I attend a Presbyterian church where we routinely have sermons about the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. Yet one of our church elders strong armed the church into turning down a deal with AT&T for a cell phone tower on church property (bringing in some much needed income to help the congregation and the community) because someone might watch pornography over it. Plus he was also upset that AT&T Uverse carries The Playboy Channel.

A preacher in regards to the temperance movement put it quite eloquently, "Very little good has ever been done by the absolute shall."

[–]Kichigai 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't say they would, just that they could, legally speaking.

[–]HeWhoLovesSpaghetti 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

I too believe in God, and I too can't comprehend how people of faith are so concerned with what society does/accepts in regard to sinful behavior. Only God forgives, only God can judge. Love the sinner, and show them the way towards God. Don't try to ban something because it is sinful in nature. Sin exists, we just have to steer away from it. We are only responsible for ourselves, and to an extent our loved ones.

[–]absentbird 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who are the sinners? I thought the idea was that everyone sins so such a distinction would be meaningless.

[–]no10envelope 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is even worse. It's not simply some backwards out-of-date rule: our population is actually made up of backwards, repressed lunatics.

[–]Hodr 28ポイント29ポイント  (22子コメント)

First breast? You know they used to show breasts and occasional full frontal nudity in PG (not even PG-13) films.

Network TV often had nudity after 8 or 10. I remember watching up all night with Ronda/Gilbert Godfrey/Joe Bob Briggs where they would review the movie by telling you how many boobs, butts, or bushes it contained.

[–]LeroyJenkems 12ポイント13ポイント  (20子コメント)

Which movies are PG and show full frontal? You know... for research purposes...

[–]ben_jl 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

Airplane! is the one I can remember.

[–]FX114 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

A movie that predates the PG-13 rating is kind of cheating.

[–]OK_Soda 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, full frontal nudity would not make it into a PG-13 movie today either.

[–]CryHavoc012 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

I know Sixteen Candles, Clash of the Titans (the old one) and Airplane showed boobs. I can't think of any full frontal off the top of my head. Keep in mind those were before pg-13 was a thing.

[–]B504 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Splash had Daryl Hannah topless throughout. Sheena had a bathing scene. Bare breasts in film was fairly common back then. You didn't see the regulation of film pushed as kid friendly as much until the mid-80s onward for whatever reason.

[–]tommystjohnny 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weekend at Bernie's II shows boobs a couple times and has some rather inappropriate language on a few occasions. I couldn't believe it was rated PG!

[–]kalpol 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

European Vacation :)

[–]thebruns 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its mostly movies that were created before PG-13 existed

[–]ZeiglerJaguar 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Airplane! has a brief flash of jiggling naked boobs … but in full disclosure, it came out right before they debuted the PG-13 rating. I think it was Raiders of the Lost Ark that made everyone realize you needed something between PG & R.

[–]B504 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was the one which pushed for the PG-13 rating.

[–]iamprosen 21ポイント22ポイント  (23子コメント)

Ever since Nip/Tuck they've been showing Skinemax-lite sex scenes on F/X. Look no further than American Horror Story.

[–]xOGxMuddbone 11ポイント12ポイント  (16子コメント)

I actually have never seen American Horror Story...I am a quivering pussy when it comes to anything horror related. But for network n00ds I'll make an exception!

[–]cragtar 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not really scary. It just goes from weird->slightly scary-> what is even going on?

[–]ReklisAbandon 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

The show hasn't been scary since the first season. I stopped watching last season after it basically became Glee.

[–]_Kilvin 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hotel is the scariest season since the first. You should give it another shot. I quit after Coven - that season was atrocious - but it's better now!

[–]signedupfourthis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Season 4 was actually good (if not scary) and Season 5 looks to be maybe the best season yet (grain of salt, since it's only aired a few episodes yet). Totally agree with you that the first three seasons sucked (and in this order: Season 1>Season 2>Season 3).

[–]Count_Critic 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The real horror of that show is trying to figure out why the fuck anything and everything is happening.

[–]turtle_mummy 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am a quivering pussy

Right, so we can't show you on television.

[–]xOGxMuddbone 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not yet! Give it time!

[–]iamprosen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The latest episode was ramped up in sex (M/M and F/M) and toned down in horror. There's mild gore (neck slashing and blood) but the reveal of the "monster" at the end ends up being kind of cute in a French Bulldog kind of way.

[–]DRACULA_WOLFMAN 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Second season (Asylum) was really strong. I haven't really cared for any of the others though. None of the seasons are connected, they're all individual stories so you can watch them in any order.

[–]Explosions_Hurt 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

They still can't show boobs on AHS it's so weird that they can show practically everything else.

[–]givemeadamnname69 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Playboy doesn't have nudes anymore!

[–]blurpblurp 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Courtesy of NBC's Hannibal. Check out the fourth image. Yes, it's from far away and they probably edited out the nipple, but I was shocked to see even this on NBC.

[–]luke_in_the_sky 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Then HBO will look like Playboy

HBO already look like Playboy.

[–]thebruns 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

FYI, network TV means free OTA (ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC, CW). Those are regulated because they use public spectrum to broadcast.

Cable (USA, FX, Comedy Central) can air whatever the fuck they want.

[–]Zeitgeis1 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Speaking of censoring language, the word fuck is sacred to me. I wouldn't mind that to always be censored. Censorship gives it it's wonderful fucking powers.

An emergency vent for suffocating frustration to purge from.

It ties almost literally any word and phrase together.

It can be used in place of nearly every verb and adjective.

Please will someone think about the fucks.

[–]blay12 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not sure I'd go as far as calling it sacred, but some profanity can definitely be used for great effect by limiting its use when it doesn't have to be.

Take Bojack Horseman for example - it's on Netflix, which means that it can pretty much use whatever language it wants. However, it holds off on using the word "fuck" in both seasons until the moment where it'll have the most impact, and then it only uses it once. It's not like a PG-13 movie where you know that they get 1 to put somewhere, rather the writers have entirely believable dialog with profanity spread throughout, and none of the profanity feels forced like it can occasionally in movies or cable TV shows. You buy into the use of the word because of the impact it adds to the scenes it's used in.

[–]Zeitgeis1 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not just referring to its use in TV/Film medium, I mean socially in general. The reason it has power is because people are brainwashed into thinking a word, a sound you make with your mouth is deeply offensive.

However, like you said, its sparse use greatly fortifies its power on screen. Same can be said for silence in film and expansive dynamic range in music. The most powerful use of any word or sound though is the lack thereof. Silence is the real overlord of expression.

[–]blay12 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh definitely, the taboo surrounding it and other words make it have so much more of an impact than a "regular" word.

Also, as someone who works in audio production, I appreciate your comment about silence - so many people just want a track to be "LOUD LOUD LOUD" and don't realize that they're removing all contrast from their track. If you want a section to make an impact, you need to contrast it with something sparse or soft to let the listener know that a major change has just happened. Same applies to so many other things.

[–]Zeitgeis1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah you get it. Hello fellow audio guy, I'm one of those post production weirdos who rarely sees daylight.

[–]Palestrina 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But now Playboy doesn't even look like Playboy anymore!

[–]Gamecock2015 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember watching the Rodney Carrington stand up on comedy central and he has a song called "show them to me" where a number of women in the crowd flashed their titties and comedy central didn't censor any of it. I was sooooooo happy

[–]HI_Handbasket 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When Fox was a brand new network, they showed breasts. I wish I could remember the context, but this was over 20 years ago. I remember thinking "I thought this was network TV... they can show that? Happy day!" But then I guess they got the memo and toned it down.

[–]DamienJaxx 16ポイント17ポイント  (12子コメント)

I blame the Europeans for moving out the puritans. Hundreds of years later and we still can't see boobs on network TV. Violence is cool though.

[–]RicoSavageLAER 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

America's culture is more of the lampooning of network standards rather than the network standards themselves. I don't know if foreigners always understand the difference.

[–]x0xn0sc0pex0x420mlg 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

I like how every time this is brought up, people forget about a few European countries and their pornography laws.

[–]mugglesnuffin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh no no, people forget about a few European countries and their pornography laws all the time, not just when this is brought up.

[–]canausernamebetoolon 517ポイント518ポイント  (96子コメント)

The FCC doesn't actually ban any of this, and after 10 pm, you can show full frontal porn. It's network standards that prohibit it, mainly so advertisers won't complain or be targeted.

[–]yodamaster103 97ポイント98ポイント  (28子コメント)

So pbs could start showing porn...

[–]TheDoctorInHisTardis 143ポイント144ポイント  (13子コメント)

Next up on PBS, Ken Burns' Pornstars of the 70's: America's Treasure

[–]jpop23mn 92ポイント93ポイント  (9子コメント)

This has been produced with support from the Bill and Melinda gates foundation.

And viewers like you....

[–]tomdarch 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

More like "Ken Burn's Pornstars of the 70s: Deep into the Thicket"

[–]rkik_dnec 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

I definitely remember seeing exposed breasts on PBS while watching Monty Python late at night.

[–]ItsMeTK 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

True although all the nudity on Python is photographic in the animations. There is only one episode with actual live jiggly boobs on full display.

[–]B0Boman 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are at least two I can think of. There's the one where the guy walks into a shop, buys a paper from a topless woman, then leaves and there's the one where everyone gets a free nude woman for being a customer some place of business (I seem to recall it was some sort of clinic). There's also the 'war against pornography' episode which has pornographic magazines plastered all over the walls in one scene, although they are somewhat hard to see.

[–]ItsMeTK 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was thinking of the first. It's the only time you see breasts. The free nude lady is in a wheelbarrow and yes she's nude but her hair and knees block the goods. (It was insurance btw)

[–]canausernamebetoolon 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

PBS was actually the first network to intentionally show nudity, at first by airing British programs with nudity, and then in 1973 with an American production of the play Steambath. I remember some controversy several years ago about PBS showing nudity in an educational context as well. PBS is probably more sensitive now to Republicans trying to pull funding, though.

[–]rogercopernicus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I use to watch PBS all the time as a child because they showed a surprising amount of nudity.

[–]thechilipepper0 78ポイント79ポイント  (28子コメント)

20% accurate, as usual, Morty.

The FCC has various rules about indecent programming or profane language between 6am and 10pm, but

Obscene broadcasts are prohibited at all times

Also, none of this applies to cable. You are correct, though, that it's network censors being proactive. The FCC only imposes fines, restrictions, and relocations of licenses after the fact. They don't censor.

https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us/articles/202731600-Obscene-Indecent-and-Profane-Broadcasts

[–]Betterthankennys 4ポイント5ポイント  (14子コメント)

The character or quality of being obscene; an act, utterance, or item tending to corrupt the public morals by its indecency or lewdness.

Isn't that very relative? I don't find naked people or fucking to be indecent or lewd nor a corruption of public morals.

[–]1drunkasshole 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well isn't that a good idea to word it that way. Things that are considered offensive to our current social values will change and this allows for that.

[–]wateryouwaitingforq 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Protect the children from life!

[–]evenfalsethings 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Protect the children from life!

Life is pretty dangerous--our best evidence suggests that it has a 100% kill rate in the long run.

[–]wateryouwaitingforq 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]evenfalsethings [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not entirely sure what I just watched, and yet found it strangely hilarious. (And surprisingly relevant!)

[–]dedododo-dedadada 100ポイント101ポイント  (7子コメント)

That still doesn't change how ridiculous it is

[–]rendleddit 233ポイント234ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sure it does. People censoring their own words is very different than the government doing it.

[–]ThinkInAbstract 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Correct, which is why the point of the clip is what NBC allows.

[–]krunz 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if it's broadcast over the air, not through cable? I thought this was the difference.... FCC has "moral" rules over what goes "over the air", but not signals in cable.

[–]thebruns 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They do because the spectrum is public. However, their moral rules are based on when children are awake (or supposed to be).

[–]GoldenJoel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I work at a broadcasting network. We usually get fined if a curse word or something slips through the censors and makes it onto TV. I think I heard 50,000 dollars was the fine...

[–]NondeterministSystem 98ポイント99ポイント  (9子コメント)

Bottom line up front: I loved this video. We need people who can humorously point out when the emperor has no clothes. But I'm not convinced that contradictory standards of acceptability are bad...or avoidable.

To the best of my knowledge, cultural conventions and norms are always full of idiosyncrasies like these. I don't think any rational system would sit down and write a list of what is and is not socially acceptable with nearly as many asterisks as the lists produced organically by human culture. (If anyone can find a culture with perfectly rational social norms, please let me know! It'd be fascinating to read about.) Frankly, I'm not sure humans can even make a coherent set of cultural norms or standards.

When I was younger, I used to be exasperated by this. "How can any culture accept x but not accept y?" At some point, I realized that every society had its x and its y. I've come to believe that cultural standards are produced by a committee. The thing is, the committee is each and every one of the culture's members, there is almost no framework for coherent communication amongst all its members, and many of the committee members have been dead for decades. This system will produce irrational or incoherent rules with some regularity.

I still think it's a good idea to try to point out and suggest changes to cultural idiosyncrasies, which is why I love this video so much. But if I think a society that produces idiosyncrasies is unfit, then I may have to assume that all societies are unfit. That's not how I want to live my life.

tl;dr: No set of cultural norms is perfectly rational. I doubt that's possible. Acknowledging the irrationality is good, but I don't hold the irrationality against any individual culture.

[–]DotGaming 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

The issue is not that it irrationality finds its way into social norms, but it's the fact that these arbitrary limitations are so abundant that they often get in the way of progress.

Our culture is much too concerned about the nuances of sexuality, even to the extent that almost everyone feels at least bit ashamed because of their sexual preferences and likings.

Censoring art like this is beyond ridiculous.

But it's not just sexuality, social norms involving drugs for example even result in hundreds of thousands of deaths every year.

Shame is much too abundant in nearly every society, but people are scared to do the rational thing and go against these arbitrary norms because they'll become social outcasts.

Another example; we care too much about what other people wear, clothing that's uncomfortable for example has become the norm as formal wear, but there's no need for that, there is no need for people to judge others by what they find comfortable.

I'd rather have a culture where these nuances aren't present then one where I have to be ashamed for who I truly am.

[–]NondeterministSystem 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for the thoughtful reply!

If we were to sit down and go through the idiosyncrasies of U.S. culture point-by-point, I think you and I would largely agree about which ones are harmful. Sexual health and mental health are two things I'd advocated on behalf of in my community, and I've had to be very deliberate in my messaging to avoid losing access to the people that most needed to have these conversations. Those were definitely cases where the conversations could have been more meaningful if our society treated these issues at least as neutrally as it treats, say, freedom of the press.

My point was more about these idiosyncrasies in the abstract, though. I think if we understand how they arise, perhaps we can remove some of the emotional weight from them and make them easier to discuss. It's my own way of trying to advance the conversation.

Although, on a bit of a tangent...

Shame is much too abundant in nearly every society...

I'm inclined to agree in principle, but I can't for the life of me conceptualize a society that doesn't use shame to enforce cultural norms and expectations. Is this a failure of imagination on my part? Or is some level of shame unavoidable any time more than one human is in a place?

[–]zephyrtr 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's a lot of "grass is greener" type of thinking when this topic comes up, and people tend to argue other countries that have fewer taboos, often forgetting the other taboos they have that we don't.

I do however believe our (the USA's) tendency to expunge any female nipple from public view is at least slightly sexist. It's this kind of technicality rule that was meant to maintain decorum but is easily worked around to basically the same effect, while still telling women these things on their torso are obscene and shameful. At least in some states women are legally allowed to go topless in public, same as men.

There is such a thing as 'graphic content,' it's just our definitions of what that entails are very eschewed. We're a nation that shames sex, and that shame, I do believe, causes unwanted pregnancies, unreported rapes and even avoidable deaths. There's a very real blood toll for something as well-intentioned as censorship.

[–]NondeterministSystem 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

You present very solid, well-reasoned arguments in favor of U.S. culture revising its stance on sexual taboos. I agree completely: the "caked on" attitudes the U.S. has picked up toward sexual health have had very real undesired consequences. I especially appreciate the acknowledgement that censorship is well-intentioned. That's a hard thing to say, but I believe it's true.

As I've stated in other posts, my intention in framing the discussion in abstract terms was motivated by a desire to preemptively deescalate the rhetoric and make it easier to discuss specifics with as little reactive emotional response as possible. I hope I didn't come across as defending potentially harmful idiosyncrasies.

[–]zephyrtr 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh I wasn't trying to argue against you in the slightest, you just inspired me to share some of my own thoughts, as an American and a New Yorker.

The truth is, this is a conversation that continues to tilt in the direction of liberty — but I do think it's important to show how the dogma specifically affects women. But the trend is heartening: first they couldn't show hair, then ankles, then shoulders, then knees. Now we're down to nipples, butts and pubic hair.

I do hate 'pink-washing' but the initial conversation about breast cancer was such a fight because everybody was too embarrassed to even mention breasts in public — so many preventable cancers weren't getting caught early enough.

I guess my point is there's reason to be optimistic?

[–]NondeterministSystem 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess my point is there's reason to be optimistic?

I agree completely. If you ever find yourself in Southern Appalachia, send me a PM. I'd like to discuss this further over a coffee.

[–]leroyderpins 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

"One penissippi two penissippi"

[–]crazymudman123 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was absolutely hysterical when he was flashing his hands over the nose/mouth of the drawing and the "boobs" were being censored!

[–]rachel_159 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is absolutely insane. The statue of David for 2 seconds had me rolling

[–]OK_Soda 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The statue of David is the most ridiculous part to me. It's one of the most iconic pieces of art in history. But you can only show it on network late night television for two seconds. What next, you can show the Venus of Willendorf, but you have to blur out her nipples?

[–]Hansemannn 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meanwhile In Norway: Our state channel has a childrens show called puberty, which show the kids ( age 6 and up) absolutely everything. Closeups of naked people, sex (In a nice way), and so on. Love it.

[–]whatwutwot 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not at all one of those people who gets mad at America's feelings about nudity, and in fact do believe that some of the censorship has merit, but come on guys, it's a fucking painting. How absurd.

[–]FX114 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's a fucking painting

Actually, she's just laying there.

[–]insoundfromwayout 15ポイント16ポイント  (21子コメント)

They must show programs about art on TV in America, right? Do they show nudes then? Do they have to be broadcast at night or something?

[–]Max_Trollbot_ 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

NBC's Hannibal prominently featured some of the most hauntingly magnificent and truly disturbing gore, murder and violence ever shown on a major American network, but they still did this to Botticelli's Primavera. Original for reference

If you ask me, none it makes any goddamned sense.

[–]gee_willickers 45ポイント46ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hannibal also, I believe, was allowed to air a tableau of flayed corpses, with their skin pulled off in "wings", but censors required that more blood be added to disguise the corpses' butt cracks.

[–]VinTheRighteous 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

It seems ridiculous on it's face, but there's some merit to the argument of not wanting to emphasize a sexual element in tandem with the brutal violence.

I'm not sure that was their argument though.

[–]esoteric_coyote [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Butt cracks shouldn't be sexual though. Context is what should make things sexual. I think it's a problem in our society when we think of any form of nudity sexual, it's not healthy, and it gives people the wrong impressions. Nudity != Sex

[–]yuriydee 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy fuck what did I just see. I need boobs for comfort now.

[–]OK_Soda 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought nothing could be worse than the Doomsday Killer on Dexter (that horse parade scene was particularly horrifying) but just looking at that image makes me want to vomit. Is there really anyone who would be more bothered by a butt crack than flesh wings?

[–]ash_monster 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This struck me as absurd as well. I wonder if Fuller intentially incuded the painting to highlight the stupidity of network standards.

[–]AmeriSauce 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes there is plenty. Not as much goes out free over the air, but on cable there are whole channels devoted to art. There is PBS which is free over-the-air TV.

Colbert is on CBS, which sets their own (odd) standards because they want to be as broadly appealing as possible as a major network is wont to do.

[–]PedroIsWatching 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

That sort of stuff is usually on PBS, and they typically get away with it.

[–]0OKM9IJN8UHB7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

PBS gets away with a lot, I remember hearing fuck on there, twice, watching Ken Burns's The War (SNAFU and FUBAR were being defined).

[–]heat_forever 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Let's paint a happy little boob here."

[–]all_hyped_out 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And beat the devil out of it

[–]DRxGlass 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's very little art programming in the US. If I see anything it's usually on BBC or online somewhere.

[–]Zeitgeis1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Pioneer Plaque sent in 1972 on board Pioneer 10, and later 11 has a depiction of a nude man and woman.

This kicked up one of the biggest censorship shit storms among prudish morons in history. To look objectively at how staggeringly strange we are as a species is quite a trip.

The feminists also went ape shit over the fact the man is waving and the woman with hands at side.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that we are such strange little creatures that we are holding inconceivable extraterrestrial intelligence to our subjective culturally archaic censorship and politically correct standards.

[–]kralzo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's amazing how today you can see blood, gore and violence but god help us if they show a nipple

[–]kingkoons 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is the kind of stuff i was hoping Colbert would bring to Late Night. combine his big network personality with his mission to inform america on the bullshit of the world. I watch the show a few times a week (not nightly like i did the Report but oh well) and i see flashes of the old colbert in almost every single one.

[–]hybridtheoryman33 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Akronite14 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's a very different bit. Talk show hosts are allowed to make jokes about the same subjects.

EDIT: Perhaps that was not your point, but it may have come off better as "Here's Kimmel's take" rather than "Kimmel did this."

[–]tocilog 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Surprise Saitama!

[–]ReallyLateToTheGame 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too funny, yet sad.

[–]_morganspurlock 12ポイント13ポイント  (18子コメント)

Conan already did this bit years ago.

[–]MacysMcNugget 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

So did Craig Ferguson

[–]mrwelchman 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

and kimmel has "this week in unnecessary censorship"... and back in the 80's letterman used to flip off the camera upside down and rotate his hand until that point at which censors block that...

[–]MacysMcNugget 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit I haven't heard of that David Letterman bit but it sounds hilarious lmao

[–]WillSisco 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

This Week in Unnecessary Censorship has nothing to do with this

[–]mrwelchman 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

that bit doesn't skewer network censorship...?

[–]WillSisco 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

not at all, it just censors mundane things to make them seen obscene or inappropriate

[–]Mythic514 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's almost like a lot of comic late night talk show hosts like to jerk around the censors when it is newsworthy/relevant to do so. It's become a trope at this point. Each talk show host wants to sort of push the envelope, and this is just one of those things in which its easy to be edgy. Not really a surprise when a lot of them do similar bits.