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[–]-Runki- 2393ポイント2394ポイント  (232子コメント)

"I used to think the worst thing in life was to end up all alone, it's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people that make you feel all alone"

-Lance Clayton, the character Robin Williams plays in World's Greatest Dad (2009)

edited source, actually did not know it was from a character he played.

[–]BoBatman24 426ポイント427ポイント  (144子コメント)

Shit.

[–]Captain_Unremarkable 361ポイント362ポイント  (137子コメント)

Well at least you're not this girl. I'm pretty sure she was the actual loneliest person in the world:

Warning: extremely messed up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)

[–]Escargooofy 304ポイント305ポイント  (31子コメント)

I have no memories from before 4 years old. 20 months is much less than that, and assuming she might have been similar, that means that for nearly 14 years, she knew nothing but that room. No language. No history. No stories. No geography (did she even know what a planet is? Or America? Did she know where she lived?). Not even her own body, for the most part, since she wasn't allowed to move most of the time. She hadn't seen another human aside from her father. Hell, she hadn't even seen another girl or woman. Just this one man.

And you might think, "Well, if I were in this situation, at least I'd have my mind." But imagine how much harder it would be to form coherent thoughts without language. I know that I think to myself using words. I'm sure there are ways to do it without them, but it must be much more difficult to philosophize or come to conclusions about things.

And even then, what would she have thought about? She didn't know anything except that room. No fictional characters to dream about, no far-off landscapes (had she even seen grass?), no knights or spaceships or historical figures. The world outside could have been a void and she wouldn't have known better. Any imaginings she had must have been very abstract. You can't even dream about people if you haven't seen anyone but yourself and your dad! Hell, was she even aware she would grow up? Or did she just think, in a languageless way, "I am a little thing, that is a big thing. Sometimes, it brings me food"?

My back-up plan if I were ever trapped in solitary confinement like that has always been that I could at least tell myself stories. I write professionally, so coming up with those sorts of things is fun to me. If I could, I'd write them down. Otherwise, I'd just think them up. But I'm going into this assuming I'd have the full knowledge of an adult human being. That plan completely falls apart without any language or knowledge.

This poor girl just...existed for 14 years. Blank, by our standards. Not knowing how it began or when/if it would end. That was just life for her. If she had any reason to believe there were other people, she still had no way of knowing if her situation was unusual. Maybe that's just what she thought existence was. That was her standard.

My heart breaks. I couldn't cope. This is maybe the most terrifying thing I've read in my life.

And the scariest part? It was so easy for her father to do.

[–]MidwinterGhost 113ポイント114ポイント  (10子コメント)

The worst part, to me, was that she had started to develop social skills and basic language abilities only to have the taken away again when her mother forbid teachers and scientists from interacting with her. She was confined once more and all that she had learned was lost. She was left with nothing once again.

[–]DunDunDunDuuun 93ポイント94ポイント  (6子コメント)

In May 2008, ABC News reported that someone who spoke under condition of anonymity had hired a private investigator who located Genie in 2000. She was reportedly living a simple lifestyle in a small private facility for mentally underdeveloped adults, and appeared to be happy. Although she spoke only a few words, she could still communicate fairly well in sign language.

The story has a somewhat happy ending.

[–]jsimmerdown 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

thank god what the fuck people leaving out the important details. bullshit.

[–]Flag_Route 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

After reading the wiki, it seems like her father fucked up the mother too. Which explains why Genie's mother did what she did.

[–]DirtyMikeballin 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wonder what her concept of time was.

[–]Letracho 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder what her concept of anything was.

[–]Connor4Wilson 65ポイント66ポイント  (25子コメント)

Oddly enough I just learned about this girl in my Sociology class today. Insane how neglecting a kid when they're young can have such a huge impact on the rest of their lives.

[–]Phylar 133ポイント134ポイント  (17子コメント)

Not odd at all when you understand how the brain develops. What I find "odd" are those that do this and sleep at night.

[–]kaseijin64 76ポイント77ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh that's easy, just go to into the main directory and delete the folder titles ethics.

[–]MoronimusVanDeCojck 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

But be jure that empathy32.exe is deinstalled properly!

[–]m0tta 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

You should already be using empathy64, what's wrong with you?

[–]white11f 37ポイント38ポイント  (8子コメント)

the guy who did this clearly wasn't thinking "I'm going to fuck this kid up", he probably was severely deranged himself. Not saying he shouldn't rot in jail, but he probably didn't have a grasp on reality. Psych major, we reference this for EVERYTHING, language development, social development, intellectual development. another case we studied Basically, if you pass a certain age without learning language you're SOL, you can learn the language but will never be fluent. Called the critical period of language acquisition. Thats why no matter how hard you try, as an adult your second language is hard as tits to learn; however, as a child if you learn 2 languages at once they both suffer very very little.

[–]His_submissive_slut 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

But, it's not that hard to learn a new language, adults do it all the time.

[–]SilverNightingale 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not hard to learn a new language. It's extremely difficult to do it well if you have had no previous exposure or have minimal ways to interact in it.

[–]foobar1000 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is so sad :( Especially the fact that it seems like she was getting better when researchers were helping her, but then as soon as they got their data she was abandoned again and she regressed.

Edit: From everyone replying to me it seems like the mother forbid all but one researcher from interacting with her. I'm surprised they gave the mother custody after everything that happened with the father.

[–]PM_ME_SweetNothings 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

It looked like it was her mom that cut off all but one of the researchers

[–]eyekwah2 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

The mother cut ties from the research team and insisted on taking care of her herself. Then, when she realized how overwhelming it was to take care of her (on top of everything else, Genie's mother was almost blind), she sent her to a foster home. All evidence seemed to suggest she was most happy and was improving the most when she was interacting with the researchers.

[–]mjb0206 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's just fucked up....

[–]atomicspin 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

Wow. Amazing story. Hard to believe that could even happen.

Slightly related: That Wikipedia article has so much bias in it. It's kind of crazy that it's so obvious and no one has edited it.

[–]Femto_Zeta 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

can you elaborate on that bias?

[–]LaResistance92 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not him, but the way it works is that Wikipedia editors will use certain words to make something seem unlikely, without ever telling you what's really behind it, for example take the following:

Although Genie's mother claimed that Genie had been able to hear other people talking in the house, her father almost never allowed his wife or son to speak and viciously beat them if he heard them talking without permission. They were particularly forbidden to speak to or around Genie, so what conversations they had were therefore always very quiet and out of Genie's earshot, preventing her from being exposed to any meaningful language besides her father's occasional swearing.

This is basically telling you: yeah the mother claimed X, but we know it's Y, so it's Y. The bias is really subtle on Wikipedia at times. They use 'claim' when they want a statement to be considered untrue, while they follow it up with a statement that they think IS true. While I can't say that this Wikipedia article is more biased than other articles, I'd say that especially if it's about world events or psychology/sociology, then you should never trust Wikipedia without really sinking in the sources.

[–]riemannia 84ポイント85ポイント  (16子コメント)

World's Greatest Dad is such a fantastic movie.

[–]ellimist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mother and I were going to spend some time together, get lunch, see a movie, etc. We go to a local artsy movie theater, and look at the list, "World's Greatest Dad"... There's a poster for it, "OH Robin Williams! Great! Funny movie for mom and me to see"

I don't think I had internet on my cell phone at the time, so I didn't look it up.

If you haven't seen it... the movie addresses autoerotic asphyxiation, which was SUPER FUN to watch with my mom, to say the least. And then the movie descends into utter darkness.

Wonderfully done and moving movie - I loved it, but seriously not what I expected in my circumstances.

[–]Dick_Pain 36ポイント37ポイント  (31子コメント)

And now I am reflecting on my life and shit......

fuck.

[–]WoodTrophy 12ポイント13ポイント  (17子コメント)

Mirror on the wall

[–]Dick_Pain 24ポイント25ポイント  (16子コメント)

You almost brought me to fucking tears with that comment.

Long story short. Saw spooky thing in mirror in my bedroom. Passed out, woke up in piss.

Edit: I was home alone on a Saturday night, my dad was fishing in a bass tournament, mom was taking my sister to see a specialist for her medical stuff and were returning home that night.

Anyways so I was approaching my computer I caught a glimpse of what I thought was my cat in the mirror. I looked again and it was not my cat. It was a figure of a humanlike thing. Jesus christ the eyes were insane. I saw it in the mirror, and fucking stared at it for what felt like an eternity. First the eyes were black, like shadowy and blurry. Then they turned solid white. I got the whole weird POV effect thing where everything gets far away. Passed out, woke up covered in piss.

[–]Man-On_The-Moon 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well you looked into the further and passed out. Then a ghost peed on you.

Occam's razor: the simplest answer is the right answer. Clearly this is the simplest explanation

[–]Time_too_poop 26ポイント27ポイント  (10子コメント)

My dog of 11 years hasn't eaten in a week and probably had either an abscess in his stomach or has cancer. He is the only real family I have ever had. He's in the hospital now, I find out tomorrow what it is.

[–]Unoccupied1 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope your dog will live to be with you again for many more years!So sorry,I know how that feels!Looking in their eyes is what really kills me........you know. :(

[–]Dick_Pain 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry to hear that buddy. I'll be sure to keep you guys in mind.

[–]BaggyHairyNips 624ポイント625ポイント  (123子コメント)

I always kind of thought that everyone eventually got their shit together in terms of relationships and friends and stuff. But I don't think that's true. I have a ton of trouble creating and maintaining relationships, and most would consider me a fairly typical dude. There must be a lot of awkward people who never beat their social anxiety or whatever issues they have.

[–]triplaur 114ポイント115ポイント  (47子コメント)

Too bad not all people get their shit together because I am probably one of those people who are never meant to have true friends or be in a happy relationship.

[–]imaginativedragons90 77ポイント78ポイント  (35子コメント)

Same here. I can try all I want, but I always end up back at the starting line.

[–]Herpes_dick 47ポイント48ポイント  (27子コメント)

Here's an upvote. Starting line + 1

[–]DaveJr74 67ポイント68ポイント  (26子コメント)

Well at 18 I was still so damn shy I couldn't call and order a pizza. I had a lot of problems. Never dated or had sex in high school and only had 1 friend really.

I'm almost 25 now. Married with 1st kid on the way....

If it wasn't for a good friend of mine I met when I was 20 who saw me in my misery and wanted to "open me up" (persistently this guy didn't quit) I wouldn't be where I was at today. He did this by inviting me to parties, strip clubs, clubs, everything I was super uncomfortable with. I even mustard up the courage to take a public speaking class during this time.

I broke out of my shyness slowly....today I'm still a quiet guy but I'm no longer shy; I'm just an introvert and that is completely normal :)

Shyness / introversion are not the same is what I'm saying here. Being shy is when you're afraid of social interactions. I'm no longer afraid.

Being shy and introverted has to suck but I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be extroverted and shy (if there is such a thing? ) because it must be like torture for those individuals...

[–]dhgrossman92 62ポイント63ポイント  (12子コメント)

Hey, this is awesome and inspirational. But one thing:

mustard up the courage

I think you mean mustered. Zoopity-bop, brain fart!

Edit: Added "Zoopity-bop, brain fart!" for effect.

[–]cybersteel8 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

It makes me sad to know that I'm your age, yet the same as what you were when you were 18. I'm so far behind in my social development. I can't wait to meet that person who will break me out of this like your friend did for you. I hope that person finds me, because I have no idea how to find them.

[–]Zaiya53 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

What helps me is pretending. I'm still really bad at social situations but there's always at least one person who will come up & strike up a conversation. At that point, I try to make the conversation about them as much as I can. That involves asking a ton of questions about the person. So, say you're at a new job. Someone comes up, "first day?" "yeah" "you liking it so far?" "yeah, how about you? Do you like it here?" "Eh, it's work" "well what brought you here?/where were you before here?/what kinds of things do you like to do to get your mind off work?" People like to talk about themselves & if you can find something they love to talk about, go with it. Even if you aren't into it yourself, pretend. Don't lie, just don't dismiss it. "I really love video games/sports/fashion" "I don't know much about that, what kinds of games/sports/fashion do you like? Oh that sounds interesting, how do you go about blah blah?" If you seem interested & let people talk about their passions, they always enjoy it, & in turn, your company. I've made a good amount of friends just being a good listener, & in turn, I have a few who try to break me out of my shell, fiance included :)

[–]FarSightXR-20 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

I am one of those people. I've been trying to work through my social anxiety with a group CBT/mindfulness. it has helped, but i still need to practice what i've learned.

at the moment, i still struggle to maintain and develop my friendships. i have an incredible group of friends from about 10 years ago that are still insanely close (from rez in uni), but i almost never hang out with them when they ask me. I just hang out by myself and act barely talk when i'm with them.

[–]ADG59 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I consider myself a pretty typical guy as well. Pretty friendly, don't smell bad, etc. but I have trouble meeting people and maintaining friendships. Not sure why, maybe making friends is just hard nowadays. Like people at my university are still best friends with highschool buddies maybe because it's so easy to never lose touch? Idk just a thought. I'm rambling. Either way, yeah, making friends seems to be hard for many people, not just the socially anxious.

[–]Emleeto 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly like you. In my first year, I made myself as approachable as possible. I ALWAYS started conversations and made an effort to talk to everyone in my classes (this took a lot of courage for a deeply introverted soul). This carried on until I realised that my 'open' attitude got me nowhere. So initially, I just gave up. Stopped trying to act 'happy' and 'outgoing' - all the things I'm naturally not.

I've come to the conclusion that people are just too attached to their old friends and don't want to initiate in new friendships, since after all, they already have the 'bestest' of friends/life.

[–]vit47 110ポイント111ポイント  (46子コメント)

Nobody ever "gets it together" because "it" is a constantly moving target. Even people who you think of as successful and happy in social terms break up after 50 years of marriage and lose friends as they age. Nothing ever really changes from how you are feeling now, but people try their best to think otherwise because it makes them feel better and they want stability.

[–]DayOfDingus 41ポイント42ポイント  (6子コメント)

Eh, while some people who are successful socially do have problems in their social life such as divorces and losing friends they have it much better than people who never overcome social anxiety. I also feel like this is a very pessimistic outlook, there are people who actually are successful and happy... maybe you're projecting.

[–]SoDamnShallow 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is true. I am one of those people.

And not all of us are awkward. For instance I can give a charismatic speech on the fly, or use my art talents to gather and charm a crowd.

But there's just something that keeps me from being able to connect on a meaningful level.

[–]candymomo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same here. I'm not charismatic or talented but most people i know think of me as a pleasant-looking and nice person. Nevertheless, i find that I can't connect with them on a meaningful basis.

[–]headzoo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It sucks, but life is struggle until the day you die. You don't reach a point where you can put on the cruise control and ride out the last 20 years with ease.

[–]Shadrach451 1567ポイント1568ポイント x7 (170子コメント)

My first two years in college I was invisible. I scored a single room on the 4th floor of the dorms. I had very little social skill, and I'm an introvert by nature, so I simply stayed inside.

My room was right outside the elevator, so my social interaction was found in running to the door when I heard people walking by in the hallway. As they waited on the elevator, I would watch them through my peephole. I would quietly stand there and listen to their conversations. I got to know each of them by name. Where they came from. What they were like. I would make up stories to fill in the gaps about their lives and relationships. I knew everyone on my floor. But none of them even knew I existed.

I remember in my first year, I was walking across campus listening to headphones and I passed a guy that I had graduated from highschool with. He was walked the other direction. As I passed him he smiled, stopped and started to talk to me, but I couldn't hear him and kept on walking, and it was several minutes later before I recognized what had even happened. It had become completely beyond my comprehension that someone would interact with me. I had passed through a veil into a very dark place.

I never spoke. I sat in the back of class, avoided eye contact. Arrived late, left immediately. I would go days without saying a single word out loud. My mom would call on the phone about once a week or so. I would answer and my voice wasn't even capable of making sounds.

Slowly my sleep schedule became skewed. I would sleep between classes during the day, and stay up all night. I walked the streets and kicked light poles so snow would fall on my head. I don't know why I would do this. But it was thrilling.

Eventually, I stopped showing up to classes all together. It just didn't interest me. It was pointless. I'm embarrassed by my transcripts from those first years, because it looks like I was drunk the whole time, but I never did any of that sort of thing. I just lost touch with myself when I lost touch with society, and it made everything turn grey and useless. What was the point?

I felt like something was wrong, my second year. I started thinking of ways to force myself out into social groups. I joined a campus wide game called "Assassin". This was well before the days of school shootings. The point of the game was to randomly hand out pictures of everyone that was playing the game. Everyone had a "target" and everyone was someone else's "Target". You had to sneak up on your "target" and clip a clothes pin to their shirt without them seeing you, and they would be out of the game, and you could get a new target. I got my picture taken and joined the game. I never even went to talk to the kid in charge to get my "target". But I spent the rest of the year sitting in the remotest corner of the cafeteria with my back to the wall. Long after the game was probably over. I was still playing. Paranoid. Delusional. In my mind, always fleeing.

I never would have called myself lonely. I wouldn't have called myself depressed really. I was just an outline, invisible in the crowd. A forgettable face. A forgettable name. Nobody. Now, I look back on this, and I realize, I was depressed. I was lost.

I gave up on college and it was the best thing I ever did. I traveled. I did humanitarian work in Eastern Europe. I was forced into difficult situations with people that I had to work with on a team. I grew to understand myself and how I related to other people and I found out that I was needed in a larger context than myself. I had value. Real value to other people. I opened my eyes, and stopped looking through a peephole at the world. I opened a door and stepped through.

I'm married now. I have three wonderful children that know their dad as a funny outgoing talkative man. I went back to school and finished my degree. But I still carry that young man with me. He haunts me. And having been there, I see him everywhere. The lonely and depressed outnumber all of us. And I have made it my goal to hunt them down and drag them out into the light, because I can't stand the thought of anyone living in that place.

Please. Do not isolate yourself. Do not seek that. There are others out there. And if you are one of the people that feels stable and happy in life, good for you, but don't be selfish with that. Don't be afraid to hunt these people down and draw them out of themselves. Don't be afraid to sit down at a table with someone that is eating alone. Or to ask someone how they are doing if you happen to be walking near them on the street. View everyone as having value, and treat them that way. Seek them out and tell them, bluntly, boldly, that they are worth knowing and interacting with. And you will probably find someone truly interesting with a great deal to say.

[–]TriggerTherapy 99ポイント100ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is fucking beautiful. I rarely read comments that are far down, so I'm very glad that I found this comment. My life right now is nowhere nearly as severe as your college days but there were still a lot of points that really hit me. I would give you gold if I wasn't a broke college student.

[–]smelly_tofu 82ポイント83ポイント  (18子コメント)

This hits so close to home.

In high school, during lunch time, I would hide out in the library to avoid human contact. If the library was not open, I would hide inside the bathroom and eat my lunch there. I was inordinately shy. There are three steps in communication: being able to articulate your thoughts, your voice have to be conditioned enough so others can hear you and you need enough courage to speak up. I was shit at all of these. 5-year olds could communicate better than me. Obviously I had no friends, no way to open up and I myself was oblivious to how fucked up I was.

In college I hit a wall. I obviously had problems but had no idea how to get help. I would completely shut off from the world. Ignored text messages, emails, knocks on the door, phone calls and went outside only to get groceries. Parents basically had to call the police to get me out of the house. This only happened three times before I said fuck it, and quit school. Thankfully, I didn't hurt myself but I was so close, just to get through the fog.

What got me through was actually the internet and programming. A little contradictory but forming my opinions through anonymous channels helped me slowly ramp up my communication skills. Programming was nice because you can play with it without anybody looking over your shoulder and you don't need to get permission from anyone else to learn shit.

Now I have a good job, have started dating people, my thoughts are stable. Still a little slow in conversations and my voice quieter than the normal person but I finally have a backbone. One good side effect from all this is that I would never look down upon people who struggle to put their thoughts through. No matter how bad the articulation, people have interesting thoughts and it's fun to wade through the mess to get to the core.

[–]cybersteel8 82ポイント83ポイント  (15子コメント)

All of these stories have a happy ending, but none seem to explain the gap between them. It's like you've completely erased the bridge between two shores, but pointed to the other shore saying that over there, life is good, and I'm over there, so you can be too.

I need a bridge.

[–]AKADidymus 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's like Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade. You can't see the bridge from your side. It looks like an empty chasm. You only get to see it when you've already crossed.

Edit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/3qmub4/youve_never_met_the_loneliest_person/cwgwgo8

[–]Nitto1337 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was actually really beautiful and made me tear up a little. I'm sitting at work. Fuck.

The girlfriend recently grew tired of me and kicked me out of our home. I really hope I can see that bridge again one day

[–]Mercury_sponge 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

For it was when I was diagnosed with ADHD, actually about 6 months afterwards. Till that time I tried my old thoughts scheme so hard, I tried to be a normal guy, ok there is something I can't mention what I believed I had to do. I thought I have to conquer women, to sleep with them. I tried so hard, but actually I hated women as I hated my mother.

Long story short: 6 months after starting medication I said 'fuck it, I can't get it work' and I dismissed and stopped being compeled to do things I actually didn't want to do.

I started doing what I wanted. Slowly, with many mistakes and fears. It wasn't so easy as it might sound now. I was fucking courageous. Ooo man, I really was. Thank you previous me! You did it great the past me.

This is important, it doesn't have to be easy, because I was discovering something new situations and haven't been in before. Or I trusted myself to act differently. Like I cut contact with a friend of mine for 3 months and after this time she still wanted again to talk with me. For me it was like an Einsicht - revelation? Check Einsicht from German to englisch please.

Hereby I paste some of the reddit posts that inspired me somehow. This girl gets it by andoooooo in niceguys [–]MidtownDork 8 points 1 day ago Disappointment (maybe even a lot of it) is natural, but rejection shouldn't be all that shitty. One of the core concepts in cognitive behavioral therapy is that events don't lead directly to emotions. It's event -> thoughts about event -> emotions. Most people forget about that part in the middle. So say your car battery dies the day before a big road trip. You could think, "Great, more shit to deal with - this always happens to me. Fuck my life." Or you could think, "Wow, it's a good thing this happened today so I can get it fixed. How much would it have sucked if this happened during the trip? I'm lucky as hell." Same event, but those two thoughts are going to lead to two very different emotions. Likewise, if someone tells you your farts cause cancer, you're not going to feel bad about it. You're going to look at what you know about the world, realize that's nonsense, and resume living your life. But if someone calls you ugly, that might touch on some insecurities (thoughts you have about yourself) and lead to negative feelings. Notice that they're not making you feel bad in that case - you are. No one else has the power to hurt you. If rejection is leading to really strong negative emotions, I'd look into how you're thinking about it. Is it, "Oh, I guess we're not a match. I'm glad she let me know instead of dragging it out and giving me the wrong idea." Or is it, "Man, I guess I'm not very attractive or interesting. I need to figure this shit out or I'm never getting into a relationship. I have no chance with someone like her..." Pretty much anytime I try to be social by gondor333 in funny [–]drei_affen 87 points an hour ago* Wrong because it's obvious and awkward for all. Instead - and this is advise for ALL kinds of potentially awkward situations: Go with it! Play it up! In this example, wave even more enthusiastically. By all means, don't stop at exactly the moment that indicates "this is awkward" - because THAT is what makes it so, not the situation itself! (Most) awkward situations exist because you think they do and do everything for it to become true in your effort to avoid them. It's a variant of the phenomenon that you go/drive/fly/ski where you look. If you stare at the obstacle that IS the place you are going to end up at. In my long ago pre-military education skydiving days (round military parachutes, slightly maneuverable) we had one jump where of 12 people 5 ended up almost on a tree - the only tree within 300m of the landing zone. Because they kept staring at it "must avoid the tree must avoid the ftree must avoid the tree", and the only reason they didn't end up IN the tree was because of the bad maneuverability of their chutes. So don't stare at the obstacle thinking "Must avoid awkward situation must avoid....", because that is exactly where you end up. Okay, the last part of my post doesn't sound like the best analogy but it's a good anecdote... the rest is 100% true though. It's harder in the category "disgusting stuff". For example, when you fart loudly in a business meeting with a client my advice won't help all that much. But it does help with the kind of experiences discussed here thus far. As for the "being kept out of conversations", well, that's going to happen A LOT to you in all of life, and to most people. I know people in the top 0.01% of "social", the kind of guys who during high-school and university never had to make sleeping arrangements because wherever they went they found a (beautiful!) girl and lots of people all around them. Still, they spent and spend a lot of time not being in the middle. it just isn't possible for all to get an "equal share of airtime". Especially not if everyone forms one big group instead of several small ones. It's best to get comfortable, lean back, think/dream/listen - and learn PATIENCE. I've experienced this a lot: All the impatient "I MUST make connections, I MUST be social" people left after a few hours, nobody was comfortable with their behavior (how is it called when somebody has the air of "too much effort"? Trying too hard? Is there one word?), and the relaxed people remained and after 5 hours of being on the side talking very little really good conversations started among those who were left. And you need 1:1 conversations especially when you are not (yet?) comfortable and feel you are missing out in social situations. Being in a 1 of 5 group and the others are all comfortable with one another and you are new is a sure way to become more depressed and learn nothing Greatness is found beyond our comfort zone. We know this and yet we find it difficult to take the step. It’s not easy, we want to feel ready before we do it, but this works as a contradiction. It’s like not wanting to exercise until you have strong muscles; what you need to do is exercise to make your muscles strong.

The analogy works for stepping out of our comfort zone. We are waiting to have the strength to take action, but it’s taking action that builds our strength. At the same time, we want to make the process as painless as possible by reducing anxiety and taking small calculated risks. Here are the three easy steps to successfully get out of our comfort zone. –]melodramaticnewguy 1468 points 21 hours ago Form a positive view of yourself. I called my mom when I was in the dumps and she told me to make it a habit, when I had a bad thought, to explain why that thought isn't true and what is good about me and what I have going for me. I feel like a million bucks these days just full of confidence. permalinksavereportgive goldreply [–]GeneralMillss 440 points 19 hours ago That's actually a common element of therapy for people struggling with depression. Write down what you are thinking, and what is making you feel unwell. And then evaluate why those things are true or not. Often times, exposing your feelings in this way and logically evaluating them leads you to realize that they aren't true, or are at least, irrational. permalinksaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]invitroveritas 222 points 17 hours ago Until you realize that it's completely irrational, yet you can't help thinking it. I'm kind of stuck on that level. permalinksaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]donteatmenooo 123 points 16 hours ago So I haven't been able to conquer these thoughts yet, but what my therapist told me to do was at first recognize these "automatic" thoughts - basically my irrational response to things, and then try to form a habit of correcting them as soon as I recognize them. For instance, as soon as I think, "Wow, I messed up again, I'm a failure", even if truly believe it, I just instantly tell myself that I'm not a failure, that it happens to everyone, and I need to move on. My therapist says eventually this habit of correcting yourself becomes automatic to the point that you basically don't even have the initial, stupid thoughts anymore. permalinksaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]book_girl 17 points 15 hours ago It does eventually become a habit. It's like one day you wake up and you realize you didn't have the self-defeating thought you always had, even when the trigger was right there. There's a great deal of satisfaction in that moment. It's always a work in progress though. You have to keep it up, even when you don't feel like it or it doesn't seem to go anywhere. That's when it really helps to have the therapist reinforcing from a different angle.

[–]nardpuncher 8 points 11 hours ago The fact that life has,frequently been unfair in your favor.

[–]AgentOmega[S] 1 point 11 hours ago that is interesting, I sort of see what you mean, would you be willing to expand on that?

[–]nardpuncher 4 points 11 hours ago It's sort of like realizing things you got out of luck or just because you were somewhere at the right time or because someone else took a shine to you and other things that we may take for granted and not realize we didn't get completely fairly.

When things suck, that doesn't really mean things will continue to suck. The future in its totality still holds a lot of potential for joy, because sometimes things just get better with no explanation

And then I also read one book of Ms Luise Hay with life affirmations. The most important is 'life loves me'.

And then I felt really loved for the first time as one grand aunt of me I haven't meet for first time in my life this year. First she did she umarmed - hugs - me so lovely and so real and then I started to feel loved and I know or more I feel it will not be taken back. There is /was someone who was really happy about me. Thank you my lovely grand aunt. I love you too.

Good luck with you.

[–]ominous_squirrel 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's not so much a bridge as having the faith to try to leap across the gap. You may have to try several different ways and to be persistent and gentle with yourself when it feels like you haven't made progress.

Find the ways that people gather where everyone who shows up is a contributor and is valued: volunteering, certain political protests, certain MeetUp groups, National Novel Writing Month meet ups.

Find a meet up that happens on a schedule so that you can build a habit of showing up.

Shadrach451's idea to join the Assassin game was smart except he probably now realizes that the point of the game isn't to win by hiding out, but to actually talk to people, gumshoe and find your person and have a good laugh when one of you is tagged out.

Find the other quiet person in the group and have small talk with them. There's a tip that says you should never leave a party before finishing one drink (even if it's soda) because shy people need time to acclimate.

Whenever you meet someone, get some kind of contact info from them. Hopefully your small talk brought up some interesting fact or common interest and you can say, "Your trip to Argentina sounds really amazing. I'd love to hear more from you about it sometime. Can I get your [number/email/Facebook]..."

Some things are higher stakes, like online dating, but the leap is the same. Be gentle with yourself and try not to worry or build up the stakes in your mind.

[–]Shadrach451 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes!

Thank you for sharing this. This is just fantastic. I found it interesting how well you articulated the fact that you used to be unable to articulate your thoughts. What a delicious irony from here on the other side of the curtain.

I'm glad you got through it, but I'm even more pleased with that fact that you use it as a way of helping others. This is huge. Young people Need people like you telling them your story and listening to theirs. It's inspiring. It's powerful. You have a great gift both in your experience and your ability to articulate it for others. I hope you continue to share it beyond the dusty backwaters of a Reddit comment section.

Thank you.

[–]Felipe058 115ポイント116ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thank you for sharing that. I think it helped me put a few things in perspective that I didn't even know were missing.

[–]Shadrach451 55ポイント56ポイント  (4子コメント)

No problem. It really is weird to even write about. It's like a totally different life. Like a bad dream I had once. I wish I could have gone back and convinced myself of this, because just knowing that there was something to hope for and a waking up at the end of it all, that probably would have been enough to pull me out of it right then.

[–]Dathiddenshit 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Try living in an awkward between phase all your life. Getting hope back and losing it on a weekly fucking basis because that's the struggle you were handed. Everyday that same character you describe in myself comes out but I have to restrain by letting go, God i live a weird life Edit: in effect other people think of me in vastly different ways from what I collect, infinite range

[–]DaveJr74 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks man. A person like you once took me out of my blackhole. I was 18 years old and could barely talk to people without my heart beating like crazy. I'm 24 now, married, with first kid on the way.

[–]PancakesYoYo 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

This reminds me of my situation. I went to University and was just too introverted and it fucked with me, became so depressed, developed social anxiety and just dropped out. I was practically a shut-in at home for about 2 years after, it's so embarrassing that the only person I told was my best friend. I hated myself so much that I would just try to avoid contact with anyone I knew before. I have a job now and am going back to University next year though. I feel a lot more happy now, but I still have social anxiety and feel pretty lonely.

On a night out recently with my best friend where I nearly went home because I started feeling anxious once I got there because there were so many people, but I ran into some old friends on my way home though and was able to get their numbers and met them later at a night club. My problem was/still is just thinking negatively whenever people interact with me "Why are they talking to me? To make fun of me? I bet they're talking bad about me behind my back. No way someone is being nice to me."

Even though it is really painful at the start, you have to just put yourself out there. If you don't then nothing will change, nothing will happen. It's up to you to actually do something about it. I'm still having a tough time, but I'm at a much better stage than a year ago, and am getting better.

[–]Shadrach451 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's awesome. Thank you for sharing this. The doubts and anxiety are so real. People just don't understand them. I think we do our youth a disservice. I think social interaction is a skill that is not actually taught directly. It is taught in these twisted harmful ways of trial and error in schools with peers and bullies and dominant outgoing personalities. And when we error enough times and get ridiculed for it, it really drags us down and makes kids give up on it. They isolate themselves and the whole thing cascades.

But social interaction is a skill just like any other. And we have to learn it in a controlled and healthy environment, and that's a tough thing to find sometimes.

I'm happy to hear that you are growing through it. Thank you for sharing here. I know there are a lot of other people that will be reading your experiences and gaining something important from it.

[–]PancakesYoYo 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks, your post helped me as a matter of fact! Did you do anything to help with girls specifically? When I'm having a good conversation with a girl is when the anxiety/self-doubt (not being good enough etc.) really kicks in, and I end up inadvertently showing the depressing side of me because I am thinking negatively, even though I know I am a fun person to be around at heart.

[–]Shadrach451 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The only advice I have for dealing with women is to present yourself as much as possible as being independent and confident. The cliche is that woman like jerks. And it's completely true, but it's not actually the jerk part that they like. They are really just attracted to confidence. They are looking for someone that will provide for them, and carry them when they are too weak to go on. They will run the moment they see something that is going to drain them.

So, talk about them a lot. Find out what they like to do and what they are interested in. Then do that with them, or talk to them about. Read about it in your own time and then talk to them about it the next time you see them. Communicate to them that you are interested in who they really are, and are capable and willing to do your homework to pursue their friendship.

Have a plan for life and be able to articulate it clearly and concisely, with confidence and passion.

Take care of yourself. Personal hygiene goes a long way, but also show that you can hold a steady healthy diet, and can keep a regular life schedule and can hold a job.

Don't talk bad about other people, or be judgemental. Don't talk politics or religion, but talk heart and passion.

That's just a few of my tired thoughts for now. I'll keep this in mind and maybe I'll add to it later.

Take care.

[–]coopstar777 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck this hits close to home. I've begun to catch myself doing this exact stuff. Its like I know I should fix it but I just have no idea where to start. Thanks for your story and perspective.

[–]Shadrach451 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for reading. It meant a lot to have a chance to write it. It's not something I tell people about. Most people I know now days don't have any clue about this past.

And I think understanding where you are at and wanting something different is huge. but "knowing you should fix it but not knowing where to start" is a heavy burden. If you want my advice, I would say, turn around and look down. Look for someone else that is struggling and help them out of the hole. Maybe admit to them that you are in the same or similar place, but the thing that will help you is helping someone else. Be the aggressor in the relationship. Find someone and call them to talk, rather than waiting for them to call you. Invite them to do things. Offer to help them with something they are working on.

It might be weird, and awkward and it will probably go against your nature, but this is what finally helped me, so it's the only advice I can really give with confidence.

I wish you the best.

[–]kitchen_patio 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, great post. It's always nice to hear of people who "got out of it". I was extremely socially isolated in highschool, and that only marginally changed in my first two years of college. I'm in my last year of college now.

I think I had legitimate social anxiety and perhaps mild autism. I was slow in conversations and couldn't express myself emotionally all that well. In highschool I had a couple friends early on, but they dropped out. Then I would pretend to walk around during lunch. No one knew who I was, but I was ashamed to admit how alone I was. At some point in senior year I gave up and stopped caring about anything - that's when I made my first friend. I would say outrageous stuff during class just to shock people - it was one of the few things that made me feel less numb.

I went to engineering school which didn't do much for my social skills. I worked my ass off my first three years. I made a few friends second year, but I was closer to them than they were to me. There were many times where I realized that they would get the whole "group" together to do things and didn't invite me. Or they would subtly exclude me in other ways. At the time, that hurt. The worst part was I couldn't just cut them off because then I'd be alone again.

I always tried to be social. If people tried to reach out, I would make the attempt to respond. But eventually either they would give up on my or I would give up on myself. In college, I used to think that once I found my friend group everything would fall into place. I would have friends, I would feel good, and then I would start meeting girls. Then I would be happy. I never understood why my friends never tried to help me. In my mind it made no sense. I always helped people who needed it if I had the power to do so. It frustrated me that people had (social) power and wouldn't help me, despite the fact that I helped them out. In hindsight, I made a lot of foolish assumptions about people. It sounds melodramatic, but I assumed people had the same morals that I did. I wanted people around me to do well, I assumed they wanted the same for me.

I think there are three types of people in the world in the context of what I experienced. The powerful, those attracted to power (85% to 95% of people out there), and those who give up socially (what I used to be). Ever since I've started focusing on my path in life and what makes me purposeful (meditation, working out, reading books), I've begun to notice how miserable people actually are. I think that's why those who give back (as you said) are so attractive. Most people don't even have enough for themselves.

Most people, and especially the socially challenged, assume that a good social group is the highest source of power (ie something that that can be used to help and do good for yourself and others). When we realize how behind we are, many of us resign ourselves to a life of loneliness. What I had to realize was how wrong that initial assumption was. It was only through meditation that I realized how wrong I was. Once that happened (about 5 months ago) my life started to change a lot. I had to realize that the more intangible a form of power is, the more valuable it is. This is why social relationships are more important than money. But this is also why virtuosity, peace, compassion, happiness, and non-neediness are more important than social power. When you have the intangible form of power, the less tangible forms are put into perspective and become easier to attain. I realize how strange this all sounds, but it has helped me make sense of the world.

The story of rock soup as an illustration of this. A stranger with no money or social relationships comes into a desolate town. Through sheer will and intention he is able to feed the town. How? Because he has the intention of a savior, of a leader. He showed them the way - and that is more valuable than material possessions or social connections. Most people are miserable and lost - you can see it in their eyes. If you can cultivate a sense of peace, happiness, or any other sense of certainty that doesn't depend on others, then people damn near flock to you. Of course, if you are intentionally trying to do this it wont work because it will be reaction-seeking and disingenuous. Ultimately the idea is that if you can find it within you to give back in some way even when you have nothing, you can get out of it.

[–]Cryzgnik 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

Something about this post makes it really well written. Thanks for writing it.

[–]Shadrach451 25ポイント26ポイント  (7子コメント)

Thank you!

I love writing. I think it's a big part of what helped me in my darker times. It was a way to express myself when I had no other outlet. I have continued writing. Mostly for myself and my children. I am collecting short stories about my life as a father that I plan to give them someday. I keep them online, but I don't really publish the address often. If you are interested they are Here.

Take care.

[–]instantpowdy 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

I wish I could read the thing you have written but reading anything that is not in the form of a short reddit post or a youtube comment inflicts physical pain to me. I'm sure your articles are wonderful though.

[–]Shadrach451 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Cool. I'm not even offended. I understand.

I do encourage you to read though. Or better yet, Write. You obviously have a desire to express yourself or you probably wouldn't have commented just now. You should find an outlet for that because I bet you have a lot more than a few short reddit comments in you.

[–]Akseba 27ポイント28ポイント  (8子コメント)

Ah fuck... I haven't left my room in 3 or 4 months now. Someone from the university called today to see if I was okay because I keep making and then missing counselling appointments.

...Aaahhhh the comment. What the fuck Reddit.

[–]swilli87 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

So beautiful. Thank you

[–]Shadrach451 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for reading. I didn't mean to write out so much of it, but once it starts going it just brings so much along with it. And I think it's a time I need to remind myself of often.

[–]PreparationHbomb 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was on the cusp of going into that hole which no one can return from... knowing you went through, what seems identical to my situation, helps. Honestly, thank you. I feel better.

you may have saved a life tonight.

[–]Shadrach451 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hold onto that. There are ups and downs the entire way. And when it is down it never feels like there will be an up.

I encourage you to reach out and find stable people that can help you along. And find other people that are struggling and help them. Look outward, in other words. Find people that are lonely and serve them. Seek after them. Work to give them value, and in this, you will find value yourself. That's my advice anyway. That's what I did and it worked for me.

You seem like a good person, and I wish you all the best. Thank you for replying.

[–]AzorGetHype 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

This really hit home for me, as I'm now in my second year of college and going through many of the things you mentioned above. Although maybe it isn't to the same extent as your experiences, I still feel extremely isolated from the world, and it's a very weird feeling. In the back of my mind it feels like people know I'm solitary and alone, and that if I attempted to change that it would make me feel out of place, when in reality nobody really knows me, and I've given myself this image of loneliness that I can't seem to shake. Thanks for posting, it really opened my eyes about what I'm going through. I know I should change, I just don't exactly know how to.

[–]Shadrach451 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, beautiful. No, I understand entirely what you mean about nobody really knowing you and giving yourself an image of loneliness and being solitary. That is rough when it actually becomes a part of our character in people's minds. It's really not fair at all.

I would encourage you to try and start small. Find someone that is new to the area, or is just slightly behind you in your path of life, and reach out to them in small ways. Find someone that is lonely or needs a connection and be what they are needing. This will force you to look outside of yourself and lead you to finding what you need as well.

It's hard being the fuel for someone else when what you really need is to be fueled yourself, but the great secret of life is that our purpose truly is to give of ourselves to one another. If everyone wasn't seeking their own needs and taking from each other we wouldn't hide so much. The solution, in my experience, is to show people that there is a better way to be and to give and give and give and this will attract people to you and they will then want to give and give and give back to you. It will be comfortable for them. It will be a joy for them. It's really an amazing thing.

It's late and I fear I have maybe lost track of my thoughts, but I hope there is something in here that can help you. I'm doing a lot of time travel work tonight and sending messages to people like you that are myself at a younger age and I wish so much that I could really go back and tell myself all of this.

Thank you for reading and thank you so much for opening up. I have no doubt, given what you said just now that your situation will turn out well. You seem like a deep feeling and deep thinking person with a lot to offer. Best of luck to you in that pursuit.

[–]Kong_Dong 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for sharing! I'm glad you're doing good, man!

[–]awkwardrobot1 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

That was beautiful. Thanks for posting, it really gave me insight into some problems a friend of mine is going through right now.

[–]Shadrach451 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for reading. And thank you for being a friend. I think it's the most powerful thing you can do in life. Friends change the world in a million silent thankless ways. You are a good person.

[–]Thisistheplace 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Beautifully written. I was chronically depressed all throughout high school. Its true that though you can go through a world of healing and change, that part of you is always still nearby..

[–]Donut_Kin 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, up to the point where you say your room was in front of an elevator is my current life so far. I'm currently a freshman who scores a single and is living in my dorm's 4th floor. Thankfully, Im not going through the degree of depression you went through. However, I'm alone. I've made a good number of acquaintances, a couple of friends, but not a friend I've really grown close to. Heck, it might even be better to consider these friends just as close acquaintances. For the most part of the day, I only have the company of myself. I actually enjoy this. Unlike high school, the pressures of getting a good reputation and lots of friends isn't so present in college. But sometimes when I see people walking down the sidewalk together, talking, laughing, and cherishing each other's company, I get lonely. It's not even because I'm an introvert, but I guess I just suck at conversation. I feel like a foreigner in a foreign country.. Now, it's not that bad. I've got plans for the future and I'm trying to work hard on them. I've grown to being content with being alone. But still, whenever I remember the fact that I don't have any friends here, and when I try to make some, my lack of social skills prevent me, I just get lonely and it sucks. Even if someone reaches out to me, i doubt I'll ever get beyond the stage of acquaintanceship. I've got a problem that only I could cure, but I don't know what medicine to use.. Anyway, thanks for reading.

[–]Pirate_Crippler 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

What would you say to some one who's lacking in a social life but satisfied with the friends they have online?

I have friends that enjoy hanging out with me online every day online, but my friends offline have pretty much reduced to a single person.

I've gone to school and made temporary friends who never bothered to keep in touch with me after the class ended, and worked in the past where I made money that I didn't use because I wasn't going anywhere outside of work.

I kind of feel like going out and attempting to meet new people is a waste of time, effort, and money and is much easier to do online.

That one friend I mentioned, he visits me some times and in my mind it proves to me that I'm still capable of having a conversation with some one. But I don't think that's the kind of thing most people think after hanging out with a friend.

I know having tangible friends is the better way to go, but I've got friends online that I've known for years and we regularly spend time every day talking, watching shows, playing games and watching the occasional movie. I just don't really have any drive to go out and meet anyone when I'm ok with the ones I have at the comfort of my home.

I know I'm basically alone, but in a weird way I'm not. What's your thoughts on this?

[–]Shadrach451 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

The internet has changed things a lot. I had people I would talk to online back when I was in college, but the internet was vastly different back then. I see some of my peers and people older than myself that look down on online friends and interactions. The cliche about how Facebook and social media is making us superficial, and personally I think it's all really naive. Because there is almost a deeper connection that can be made through writing and interacting on only the mental level. Sure, maybe we can hide parts of ourselves easier. We can edit our personas. But that all happens in physical interaction too.

So, I personally would not say you are lacking, as long as you feel fulfilled in your relationships. As long as you aren't lying to yourself and just pretending that it's enough. Then go for it.

But that would then burden you with the other side of the coin. I would encourage you to draw other people into this circle. Even inviting people you know in real life to join you online can help draw them out. If that is a place where you are most comfortable interacting with people, then bring them there and interact with them. Maybe this will lead to you having stronger relationships with other people not online.

Just some thoughts. You sound like a cool person, and I'm glad you have friends online. Make sure they know how much you value them.

:)

[–]zaffrex 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like socializing now :o Thanks for sharing.

[–]SuperSexi 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

You kicked light poles so snow would fall on you? I can't really see that happening. The light poles I've seen are too sturdy.

But juvenile trees after a rain, if you bump them they rain on you. I don't know why I like doing that either.

[–]Shadrach451 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Rain sounds much more majestic. I envy rain.

I actually live in Alaska. I was in school in Fairbanks. The winters were inhumanly cold, and there would be lots of really intense snowfalls. It would just hang off the top of the light poles, and they were just simple lights for small roads around campus.

Enjoy your rain. There is something real and tangible about having some small level of control over the elements that surround you. I think it really is therapeutic. To call down rain and snow and hail like some wizard wielding the hand of God. Find your joy.

[–]I_Are_So_Confused 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for writing this. I had a very similar experience in college and just recently dropped out. I'm not seeing much chance of my life turning out alright at this point but it helped reading this. You should consider making a post in /r/Foreveralone about your experience. How many years did it take after you dropped out to get over your problems and isolation? Did you see a therapist or take medication or anything? Thanks again.

[–]Shadrach451 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did not see a therapist or take medication. I never really realized I had a problem honestly, so I'm not saying those routes are wrong. I just didn't pursue them.

In my situation I entered mission school. It was an intense course called Adventures in Missions out of Lubbock Texas. We studied team interaction and service in a class of about 40~50 people. We all lived together. We all had the same classes together. We worked together in teams. At the end of 8 months of classes and training we broke up into teams of 3 to 8 and left to various mission fields around the world where we worked for 1 to 2 years.

When I arrived everyone agreed that I wasn't going to make it. It took several months for me to open up and integrate into the class, and even longer to have it come naturally. It really just took being surrounded by good people and being forced or forcing myself to interact with them and open up and be vulnerable with them that worked to change me.

I have come to the conclusion that the best solution is to find a way to give of yourself. I encourage people now to reach out and find other people that are struggling to find purpose or connect and be that for them. Find someone you can sacrifice for, and just decide that you are going to be the stable person in the relationship. Call them instead of waiting for them to call you. Invite them to do things. Find out what someone else enjoys and do that with them. And don't be shattered by rejection, but shrug it off and say, "Well if you need anything let me know."

Looking outward and finding ways to help others is really the best way to get yourself out of the pit. That's my advice at least. It's hardly professional. Honestly, I'm an engineer and I'm supposed to be writing a traffic report right now. But I'm giving that time to you instead, and I don't regret it one bit.

I wish you the best. Take care.

[–]a_shitty_novelty 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

You really just described what I'm struggling with right now. I've made a good cover as a sociable person when interacted with but I stopped going out of my way for it a year ago.

[–]Shadrach451 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know what you mean about making a cover as a sociable person. It's strange, people often claim that I'm an extrovert. And I just laugh at them. Because they are so wrong. It's almost flattering, but it has opened my eyes to how easy it is to fake sociability. It's easy to go through the motions.

But really, sometimes going through the motions is the most important part. Sometimes you just have to work to make yourself become what you want to be. You will it to happen. You don't let labels and categories and classifications force you to be something you don't like being.

It sounds like you don't need interaction on a day to day basis to feel fulfilled, but you still need it. It would be easy to say, "Oh, I'm just an introvert then I don't do social interaction." and give up. But it's a mature person that can say, "It doesn't come naturally, but I'm not going to let that control me." and dives into it.

Find other people that need interaction and support and draw them to you. Pursue them. Be the one dialing the phone (I still struggle with this).

Take care. I wish you the best, and thank you for reading and responding.

[–]tatertots4u 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

TLDR would not do this story justice.

Thank you for sharing.

[–]Shadrach451 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks. I probably could have edited some things out, honestly. I never meant for it to be quite so long. But once I started it sparked a million tiny memories.

I really think I need to write the whole thing someday. Probably just for my children to read when they get older. I need them to hear it all eventually.

Anyway. Thank you for reading.

[–]Poop_Pooperson 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is me, except for leaving school. My grades are fine and I really enjoy school. I hardly ever socialize with people aside from Labs and TeamSpeak (Like Skype). I feel that I am fortunate because my work allows me to have minimal contact with people I just come in do my job and leave. I have been like this since I was young, I had and have some really good friends through school but I don't and didn't hang out with them often. Is it bad to not like being around people?

[–]moonboots1969 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had a similar experience in my first year of college. New place, new people, new challenges, but I struggled the same way you did. I sort of forgot who I was for a while. I dropped out, worked for a while, traveled for a while and realized I am someone people like being around. I forgot I used to be the funny guy. My life is so much better now, but I feel like I am always trying to avoid feeling like I did back then. That is why I try to make others and myself laugh as much as possible. Even talking about that brief dark age of my life is hard for me. Some people may see the funny, laid back side I want them to see, but many do not know what it took to get there.

[–]Veldix 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck, I'm teary now. That was beautiful. Take your gold and stay awesome.

[–]emfusiontv 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Saved. I love this, thank you!

[–]Positron311 311ポイント312ポイント  (48子コメント)

But what if you are the loneliest person?

[–]eldeeder 151ポイント152ポイント  (24子コメント)

You haven't met yourself yet. But the advantage to meeting others in the meantime is that one of them may present you to yourself. Examine the nature of everything you observe. For instance, you might find yourself walking through a dream parking lot. And yes, those are dream feet inside of your dream shoes. Part of your dream self. And so, the person that you appear to be in the dream cannot be who you really are. This is an image, a mental model.

[–]TheWoodmanCometh 106ポイント107ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hey Jaden, big fan.

[–]Imtroll 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Naw it can be him or he would capitalize every first letter.

[–]eldeeder 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a quote from Waking Life.

[–]Nazek42 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

How Can We Walk If Our Feet Aren't Real?

[–]Rob_job2345 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

hey question.. do you write or read at all and what is it?

[–]eldeeder 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is a quote from Waking Life. Yeah, I do read. Daniel Dennett is one of my favorite authors. He's a modern day philosopher.

[–]The_Sven 27ポイント28ポイント  (13子コメント)

Just by being on Reddit, you're not. You're interacting with others online and even though it isn't face to face, it's still interaction.

Unless you've developed dementia and this is all a delusion. Which it is.

[–]SteveLithops 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

If you're reading this Josh, you've been in a coma for six years. Please wake up!

[–]Dathiddenshit 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

This wouldn't even be 1 green arrow on the social bar in Sims..

[–]The_Sven 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't say it was a lot of social interaction. Just more than the loneliest person alive gets.

[–]Unoccupied1 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

How do you know if you are the loneliest person if you stay alone all the time?

[–]Vanilla_Sea_Bear 91ポイント92ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm assuming you mean that the loneliest person would be all by themselves, just one person alone. But don't you know that two can be as bad as one. It's the loneliest number since the number one.

[–]possiblylefthanded 74ポイント75ポイント  (8子コメント)

I have never felt lonelier by myself than in a crowd of people who are all doing their own thing and didn't notice when I left

[–]doublepoly123 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes! And if you ask what happened after you left they say something like "I never noticed you left!" It hurts but I play it off cool.

[–]Etonet 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why don't you tell people you're leaving?

[–]doublepoly123 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do, but people seem to forget. They say "bye" automatically. And it usually happens at big parties and such, where a lot is going on. Its easy to forget someone left. I know im guilty of this as well.

[–]redditpodd 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

One is the longest number that you'll ever do...

[–]Singerella 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." ~Thoreau

[–]Ryltarr 2530ポイント2531ポイント  (137子コメント)

I have. After my breakup with the girl I loved for 8 years, and was in a relationship with for 5, I learned what loneliness is. It's not being devoid of company, or being the only person in a room... It's not connecting with anyone, it's feeling like there isn't a single person who feels the way you feel, it's considering your friends and family strangers because you no longer know yourself well enough to know them.
Fuck loneliness.


Wow, didn't expect this kind of response. Thanks stranger for the gold, and thanks everyone for making my top comment of all time change.

[–]storander 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've been there. Girlfriend of five years left me and it felt like my life came crashing down. I was so depressed in our hometown I had to move across the country and got a job that travels a lot just to keep my mind off my past. Even dating other woman didn't help because I couldn't connect to anyone else like I did with her. I don't know how long ago this was for you, but it gets better. Eventually the loneliness will hit you at random nights, and keep you up, but it's not that constant ache forever. There is an awesome world out there to explore and thrive in.

[–]divthrowaway1 256ポイント257ポイント  (16子コメント)

I think when we say lonely we imply someone seeking companionship. We often imply depression. When I've had to speak to "professionals" I tell them, I'm not depressed. Or, atleast, I don't feel sad or lonely. When you're sad its an emotion that begs for something different. Depression and sadness is a hope and a want for change in what you're going though. It is despair, the abandonment and absence of hope that makes someone resigned mentally and emotionally to their disposition and position. If you remove the implication that a "lonely" person wants to change, a lonely person won't ever want to be found.

[–]Ryltarr 65ポイント66ポイント  (2子コメント)

I guess that's true. One wouldn't know loneliness unless they wanted something different, it's a distinction without meaning at that point.
Everyone enjoys their time alone (well, most people) but it's when you don't want to be alone that you notice the loneliness, and I hadn't given that much thought until I tried to comprehend your reply.

[–]SoDamnShallow 61ポイント62ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sadness and loneliness are only two of the many possible symptoms of depression.

Saying that depression is "a hope and a want for change" is also rather erroneous, because "hope" implies the change is for the better.

But often depression can eliminate a persons hope, and the only change desired is for the current negative feelings, or lack of any feelings, to end. And that's a motivation driven by desperation.

[–]hindu-kush 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think when we say lonely we imply someone seeking companionship. We often imply depression. When I've had to speak to "professionals" I tell them, I'm not depressed. Or, atleast, I don't feel sad or lonely. When you're sad its an emotion that begs for something different. Depression and sadness is a hope and a want for change in what you're going though. It is d

and emotionally to their disposition and position. If you remove the implication that a "lonely" person wants to change, a lonely person won' ever want to be found

[–]kablamy 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn it you made me realize even more things than the OP did

[–]Devo9090 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being lonely allows you to understand what it means to be a social animal, it's built into our very genes. It's a very hard reality to face.

When I graduated college, I was super excited to get a place to myself and move away from my home town with my new job. The high point of that experience was when it started. It only went downhill from there.

[–]chupchap 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hang in there. Going through the same thing. Except relationship was for 10 years. It sucks. Picked up cycling to keep myself busy. Try something new. It won't help with the loneliness, but at least you will spend less time thinking about it

[–]Hamartithia_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

serious question but how does a relationship end after that long? I've been dating the same girl for three years. It's not that long but I'm under 21 still.

[–]revolutioniscome 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

You only know you love her when you let her go.

That being said, "It's been like 4 years, it's time to move on man"

[–]wickys 56ポイント57ポイント  (19子コメント)

Hey atleast you had a girl for 8 years?! Dam son.

Well welcome to the lonely club.

[–]whoweoncewere 44ポイント45ポイント  (17子コメント)

You don't truly know what you're missing until its no longer there I guess.

[–]CapnSippy 32ポイント33ポイント  (13子コメント)

See I'm 23 and I've never been in a committed relationship. Makes me wonder how much I'll miss this level of freedom and independence if I ever start dating someone. But I simply can't know the answer to that until it happens.

[–]Transfusiionz 29ポイント30ポイント  (5子コメント)

I dated someone for about 6 months not too long ago. Definitely not a typical relationship, she kinda sucked and the relationship was incredibly one sided and she took things really slow and eventually dumped me, got together again, and dumped me again despite all the effort I put in etc... All in the span of 6 months. But honestly, its nice having someone to just.. Talk to. I don't miss her in the slightest (ended about a month ago - wasn't able to talk to her for about a month and the day I was able to text her finally, she disappeared and tried to break up through a friend, after telling me the relationship had been a lie the second go, I turned it around and roasted her a bit.. I'd pay to not see her again honestly). What I miss is just having someone to talk to and share stuff with. I have a really good friend for that, but its a bit different somehow.

Anyways, don't get into a relationship unless you feel comfortable. I had a nagging feeling most of the time in my gut that something would go amiss eventually, but I ignored it. Like I said, I don't miss her in the slightest, and I haven't thought about her in weeks, but I do miss the companionship. It's a weird kind of feeling that I don't much enjoy, but I guess it comes with the territory. Oh well. I've already improved my life measurably in the past few weeks trying to fill that "void" so to say. I'm rambling now, I'm gonna sleep.

[–]takingbacktuesday11 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm in the very beginnings of what I think could end up being a situation very similar to that. It sucks. The problem is, even if you have a feeling things might not end well, it's easy to ignore when you really like that person. If you're willing to put yourself at risk of heartbreak, that person obviously has the qualities you look for. If you do have even some standards, that can be difficult find. But dammit it sucks being lonely. Sometimes the game/hunt isn't fun anymore and the shit gets tiring. For a lot of us the bar is the main social time we have with our peers. As much as I enjoy friends, whisky and cigarettes, I can't help but think there's a better way to find your s/o. Just gets kinda old doing that same dance every weekend lol.
Not that I really need anyone. I'm pretty happy and busy. But it would be nice to know and have someone know me on a deeper level.

Been in one serious relationship and failing one seems to make you far more careful and choosey (for better or worse). Break ups suck and I fully intend on doing everything I can do to avoid another one lol. until then, it's Netflix and lonely nights with gonewild. Some real good lads over there. Lol

[–]OuroborosSC2 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ride it out. I'm 22, have 2 kids and am getting married next year. Going out with friends on the occasional weekend is amazing to me and makes me realize how different life would be if I'd taken a different path. The good thing is that I found love early and have great kids so I don't have to worry about that down the road, but it hasn't come without cost. Just go with what feels right.

[–]CapnSippy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't even comprehend your situation right now. Engaged with 2 kids at that age just blows my mind. But good for you that you're managing it. I honestly don't think I could, at least not anytime soon.

[–]BL0MB0 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

How long did it take to overcome these feelings?

[–]buschofgarbage 5ポイント6ポイント  (14子コメント)

Also curious. Had a girlfriend for 4 years. It's been 5 months now and I still feel shitty, but in different ways.

[–]poodooloo 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh fuck, this feeling. I went through a period where i read a lot about climate change, peak oil, politics, industrial agriculture, etc. I couldn't talk or think about anything but what I was reading, and how worried I was about the world, like I was a walking information spitter-outer who just brought up depressing truths...I know what feeling you're describing exactly

[–]kablamy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck I think I just realized a lot of things

[–]IMPatrickH 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate you sharing. But this got deep quick

[–]ludelg 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Damn. This hits me right in the feels. The woman I love and I just broke up an hour ago over the phone - over something very stupid. She unfriended me from both of her Facebook accounts and stopped responding to my texts. I thought we were in love. I guess love was just one way this time. It can't believe how quick she was to do this and accept it. Almost as if she had planned to do it and our silly argument gave her a good out.

So yeah, I feel like shit now and lonely as hell. Fml

[–]SocraticSwagger 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many of us have met the loneliest person, but we didn't care and kept walking.

[–]Cantcallit 37ポイント38ポイント  (9子コメント)

How do you reddit for 3hr and make front page? My posts must really blow. Not lonely though, so thats a plus.

[–]FuckedByCrap 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

Absolutely not true. Lonely does not equal alone.

[–]ItsDomKu 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

I was wondering. The loneliest person would be the one who's never met anything in their life, but would they really know what loneliness is? Maybe they've always been content, or the thought of other life was never gone over. If they are alone, they are their own civilization of one, so they'll probably make a religion. Say their religion is polytheistic, would they not feel lonely because of the abundance of "life"? And are they lonely, or thought of as lonely? Also, who is more lonely, one who can't relate to many, or one who can only relate to a single other?

[–]im_here_for_reasons 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

what about finding someone that you can actually relate to. Spend a few months together while learning that there's someone else in the world who feels like you do, who IS like you; then to have the whole thing blow up with no explanation. It's like being given sight and then taking it away, making you live in the dark world you once lived in, only now you know what beauty looks like.

[–]JizzerWizard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy fuck dude...this has actually happened to me. Knew a girl who liked everything I liked. She literally was my other half. Only until she told me a joke only my closest guy friends would know, that I fell in love. Everyday, for the month that I knew her, we literally talked with each other from sunrise to....sunrise. One of us would message each other and our day would start. We would text each other constantly...only to stop so we could talk on Skype or the phone, or work and school, or until one of us fell asleep. Then one day she messaged me as usual...I messaged back only to never get a response. This was years ago and not a day goes by that I don't think about it a little. Never got closure. I still have our chat logs. I miss her.

[–]Harrisonw8 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you are feeling lonely though, you can always get Jared to sit through a movie with you and polish off a couple bottles of wine.

[–]docbauies 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

what if i've met someone who only knows me because I keep him in my basemen... i've said too much... forget it.

[–]isetmyfriendsonfire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"to be, is to be perceived" - George Berkeley

[–]tnz87 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being lonely and being alone aren't the same thing though. You could've easily met the loneliest person, but not the most alone-est person.

[–]raresaturn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Michael Collins of Apollo 11 , passing behind the moon. Alone and out of contact. Further from earth that any human had travelled. And no I haven't met him.

[–]srijankiller 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The more I scroll down the more depressing it gets. .