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[–]EmpIStudiosVoluntaryist 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well the whole point of the Public educational system is to churn out mindless and obedient soldier and worker drones. Looks like it's not doing it's job if folks like you come out of it.

I remember one time I was trying to explain how the Nazis were NOT right-wing to an acquaintance outside of class, trying to get him to think how it can be that they can be opposite sides of the political spectrum from left-wing socialists yet be nearly indistinguishable in practice, and also how "Nazi" was a German acronym (German is funny with acronyms) that stood for National SOCIALIST German Worker's Party. His response was that because his AP History teacher said so, it must be correct. I never followed up but now that I think of it I wonder if he had that one History teacher in my high school who had a Che poster...either way i'm sure said acquaintance is now an obedient socialist drone.

edit: I remember in 9th grade Algebra our class was focused on doing some thing with fractions and numbers. For the life of me I cannot remember what it was. What I DO remember, however, was that I figured out a new, better way to solve the equations that was far more efficient than the clunky system they tried to teach me. Even when I showed my work (I was REALLY good at running those numbers in my head too!!) the teacher still docked points because my method wasn't 'correct' even if the answer was.

[–]defussionAnarcho-Objectivist Transhumanist[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Looks like it's not doing it's job if folks like you come out of it.

AFAIK I'm the only ancap at school and I'm extremely vocal about my views (I have the reputation of being extremely argumentative). Many days I've argued in every single period with different people; any time anything remotely government-related comes up I get into fight-mode; it's the only way I can remain sane among the mindlessness: fight it.

Nazis

From what I recall they called themselves the National Socialist German Workers' Party so they could try to appeal to as many people as possible; they were extremely populist. In 8th grade my English teacher (who was much more sane than the teachers I mentioned in OP) had a mock election with changed names showing the party platforms of 5 candidates and the situation (after war & economic downturn). The class universally elected Hitler.

Pretty much everyone I know save for one minarchist friend is far-left or weak-right ("centrist" which I consider a euphemism for "too scared to take a stance").

figured out a better way to solve equations

Oh no, how dare you defy the Correct Method* !!!

*Compliant with California Education Regulatory Code 23 Section B Part 23316123

That hasn't happened to me much but from acquaintances I've heard it's common for most teachers.

[–]Cole7rainThe guy you REALLY want to have a beer with. 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The class universally elected Hitler.

Please tell me how they reacted. What kind of mental backflips they did to weasel out of this? That must have been some Olympian class acrobatics.

[–]defussionAnarcho-Objectivist Transhumanist[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

how they reacted

Lots of gasping and oh god's. Heads shaking side to side. Somebody said "we're horrible people." Another: well how were we supposed to know?

I mean, the teacher didn't put "let's kill the jews" on the sheet, it seemed fairly reasonable (for back when I was a statist, even pre-Libertarian). I mean even I voted for him. I felt real stupid after the teacher told us that <fake-name I can't remember> was really Hitler and that this election took place in Germany leading to the 3rd reich and all that.

I'm going to go look for the sheet but I doubt I have it.

mental backflips

What I'd really like to know what backflips allow them to love Bernie, the socialist who is also a nationalist, while hating National Socialism aka Nazi.

[–]EmpIStudiosVoluntaryist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's the only way I can remain sane among the mindlessness: fight it.

For what it's worth from some random schmuck on Reddit, Keep Fighting!

From what I recall they called themselves the National Socialist German Workers' Party so they could try to appeal to as many people as possible

The Nazis had many positions to try to gain mass appeal, as all sociopaths are want to do when they seek power. In the Nazi's case, they positioned themselves as Nationalist Christian Anti-Fascists. Only one of those three was true, I think you can guess which one. Though even Nazi officials referred to their party as "national socialists" pretty regularly. Goebbels never referred to the Nazis as anything else in his diary.

That hasn't happened to me much but from acquaintances I've heard it's common for most teachers.

Again, the public school system wants obedient soldiers, not logical thinkers.

[–]defussionAnarcho-Objectivist Transhumanist[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep Fighting!

I will! Thank you.

Nationalist Christian Anti-Fascists. Only one of those three was true.

They might as well have called themselves the Anti-Nazis...

I think you can guess which one.

I think a lot of my peers can't.. Actually I'm going to try that at school on Monday as an experiment. Now I want to know.

officials referred to their party as "national socialists" ... never referred to the Nazis as anything else in his diary

The indoctrination ran so deep that soon the indoctrinators were indoctrinated; I bet they ended up believing their own propaganda.

[–]Jon_Kawzi 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

CA schools are just plain war zones, how anybody could put a kid in there is beyond me. For a brief while I had my daughter in there, thankfully we saw the writing on the wall and took her out and home schooled her. The lord-of-the flies mentality there was just amazing to me.

There was a Mexican family that lived nearby us, some of the things I saw blew me away. The little girl would come home with prefect scores, but when you looked at the actual test, almost every answer was wrong, they just passed her through. They refused to teach, except for standardized test time, then they would terrorize the hell out of her and threaten to have her mom deported unless she got a good score because it had something to do with school funding. But the worst thing I saw was her brother, he was a little active but otherwise was a perfectly normal kid. But he inconvenienced the teachers, so they got him categorized as a "special needs child", his mom didn't know better, and then got him doped up on a bunch of meds and put in a "special" school where the state pays twice as much per student.

[–]defussionAnarcho-Objectivist Transhumanist[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

how anybody could put a kid in there is beyond me

My parents seem to think that education is the only way to succeed in the world. They are kind of right but they conflate education with learning. Unfortunately we get much more of the former than the latter.

I know I probably should get out and if the stress or ridiculousness gets too much I'll "shrug" but for right now I'm banking on that I can survive the stupidity and get into a private college (I refuse to go to a state one). Taking AP classes has reduced some of the stupidity (even though groups are taught collectively the overall speed of progress is much quicker and more tolerable) as well as getting allies on the inside of the red tape; I was allowed a period to study whatever I wanted. I'm currently doing set theory and plan to work on mathematical proofs next, followed by computability theories etc.

perfect scores...every answer was wrong, they just passed her through.

Yeah. That happens big-time at my school though it's kind of under the rug. There are even yearlong classes (with seniors no less!!!) devoted to covering mathematics required for the CAHSEE. It's a ridiculously simple state test that covers to math I finished in 7th grade and basic English. I finished each section way before time was up so I just played tic-tac-toe with my neighbor since they wouldn't let me go to my calculus class that I was missing so I could do Algebra 1. The state gives the school money to pass the kids and since they don't care about actual learning, the teachers just give them either ridiculously easy tests or give them high scores so they can feel good about themselves and the school gets money.

threaten to have her mom deported unless she got a good score

God that's disgusting.

special needs child...special school

:( Another one lost to the system. That kid's too energetic and can't be controlled! Let's say he's crazy! Now we can control him and make our lives easier while pocketing the state money!

In my district I don't know if they have a special needs school (though there is a delinquents' school which is basically a pass-and-gtfo school that specializes in pocketing money to pass kids), but there's a special needs program at my HS that has a lot of kids. My grandmother was a substitute teacher for awhile for their program and she told me that for one student literally all they did for half the day was give the kid a sheet of stickers and a piece of paper to draw on and place the stickers on. Real productive with taxpayer money, eh?

[–]Jon_Kawzi 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

My parents seem to think that education is the only way to succeed in the world.

It wasn't always this way. There was a time where you didn't even need a HS education to get a good job, enough of one to buy a home and support a family with kids. As society gets more advanced and productivity goes up, it should be easier to make it than ever, but rather it is harder to make it than ever.

Today, we have a government that taxes the fuck out of us, regulates the fuck out of us, puts our kids 10 generations into debt, and waters down our money like drunken lunatics. And when people have trouble making it, what do they say "well, kids need to be hyper educated to make it in today's world". Bullshit. The former USSR had the highest concentration of PHd's on the planet. Their education turned out to be useless when it came to a standard of living.

[–]defussionAnarcho-Objectivist Transhumanist[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

education turned out to be useless when it came to a standard of living.

That's ridiculous! Of course we could maintain our standard of living if we smother the creators with massive taxation and use the money to give out 20 million free diplomas in Advanced Neanderthalic Gender Diversity Studies! All that's holding us back is those damn greedy hoarding capitalists that hate babies!