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I was wondering, was permission granted to erase all none video game examples from Crutch Character section?

Looking at the History, several entries were erased and parts of the trope definition with no edit reason given.

Characters.Dota 2 Items

Is it normal for items to have character sheets? They're not even Companion Cubes or defining parts of other, actual characters. A perfectly normal bottle of Healing Potion apparently deserves a character sheet.

The page is informative, so it could be worth keeping, although having it in the characters namespace is strange.

I noticed that Avengers: Age of Ultron is listed on both Film.Broken Aesop and Aesop Amnesia under the film folder. However, I read the entries, but the events listed are justified in-universe (Scarlet Witch's mind powers and Thor's vision). Well I believe that it would count as normal justification for Aesop Amnesia, would it count as justification for Broken Aesop, or should it be removed?

So Spectral Time just added a half-assed folder to Characters.Dragon Ball Z Abridged Others and even admitted to being lazy.

Is there any movement toward finding the original trope of a series? I was reading "Two of Your Earth Minutes" and I found, of course, a list of examples of the trope's occurrence, but not in any particular order. It seems, anyway, that it originated in one of those, but there seems to be no effort to pick it out.

Uhm. So. Apparently, I made a mistake about Video Games/Undertale - the main page, the Character page, and the Awesome page. Basically, I believed a rumor that stated that Toby (the game's author) prohibited the term "Genocide run" because a L Per was making Holocaust jokes about it. The thing is - it was just a rumor spread by someone offended that another person named their character "Hitler". http://deoxyrebornicleic.tumblr.com/post/132272709969/deoxyrebornicleic-just-making-a-post-for

So. Can any mod please undo my edits? Thanks.

I'm thinking Frozen might need its own Dethroning Moment of Suck page. The examples are getting too numerous and too large to keep on the main Western Animation page. Also, people need to be reminded that animated films go there, NOT the Film page. Problem is, I've never created a new page before. Suggestions?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.SuperMarioBros

This page could use some pruning. That Harsher in Hindsight entry makes little to no sense.

I feel like this should be obvious, but a character cannot be both a Depraved Homosexual AND a Depraved Bisexual, right?

Because on the South Park main tropes, Cartman is listed as an example of a Depraved Homosexual, while on his actual character page, he's called a Depraved Bisexual (which, IMO, is probably the correct label for him).

Where is the link to a scientific paper about a toddler playing with colored rings, and cited as an author, and it was written in two versions, a layman speak version and an obfuscatingly loquaicious version?

I want it so I can use it to answer this question: http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/57120/can-i-add-a-baby-as-a-co-author-of-a-scientific-paper

So, I found this on Film.Red Zone Cuba:

• "Do It Yourself" Theme Tune: "As John Carradine's picture fades away, we suddenly hear the voice of Satan himself. No, wait, I'm sorry, I got that wrong. Actually, what we hear is John Carradine singing [!!!!] this movie's theme song."

They basically yoinked the entire line straight from the Agony Booth's recap, and turned the entry into a weblink to that recap. Am I correct in thinking that's totally unacceptable?

Trying to index YMMV.Final Fantasy VII Machinabridged. Little help?

Sorry for bothering you again, guys. But there's yet another troper who doesn't know what indentation is. I know, I too am fed up. =/

The offender is Jamaican Castle, whom I sent a lifetime total of eight Issue Helpers in regards of indenting properly. And never have they replied me on the matter. The most recent offenses are (in some of the page histories you have to look down a bit, because the edits are from as far back as October 18th):

• Code Name
• Heroes Frontier Step
• Writing Around Trademarks
• Go To Alias
• StatingTheSimpleSolution
• Science Marches On
• Malevolent Masken Men
• Ancestral Weapon

The majority of these edits misindent because they operate under the "[X] does it in a similar way" or "this is also a tradition in [X]", meaning that they also double as Word Cruft. I will fix these in the morning or midday if they haven't by then (it's 1 am where I live already, and I was actually in my way of doing a final patrol through the watchlist to call it a night when I spotted Jamaican's Nth misindented entry).

Posting a Headscratcher and someone replies... "because otherwise there would be no movie" or "because it's magic/science fiction". Is that against the rules? You could apply those answers to any Headscratcher.

Where can I find the thread to nominate someone as a Complete Monster?

Uh. What should I do here?

I've just added an example to Or Are You Just Happy to See Me? and Bow Chicka Wow Wow from a graphic novel called Black Canary and Zatanna: Bloodspell. Since it didn't happen in the pages of either heroine's solo book, do I have to add it to both of their pages? If someone wants to help out and make the additions themselves...? Any other pages they belong to?

How do you insert special characters in a trope's title?

I want to Turn Creators Odd Ball into Creator's Oddball.

Tell Chrishouserez that making nonsense articles such as Joanna can get him banned.

Bit of a question to help settle a dispute on a description on a character from The Seven Deadly Sins.

Some context:

There's a character called Escanor. At night, he looks like a shrimp. At noon, he gets buff via magic. That was ten years ago. He's now according to Word of God, 40 years old.

A wanted poster of him shows him as this. He shows up and he looks like this which appears to look like his weaker self with glasses and a mustache. There's implication that it's night time and that he may change into his wanted poster appearance at noon.

There isn't a proper coloring yet.

The question:

Is it acceptable to describe his current appearance as old? Stuff like saying he looks like a weak old man, or putting down Badass Grandpa in a character page and saying his wanted poster looks like this but he appears to be a subversion as he appears to be a weak old man.

A fellow troper isn't allowing referring him to looking like an old man apparently mostly based on the fact he's 40 years old.

Literature.Tom Swift and YMMV.Tom Swift both include a section on an MSTed version of one of the books, claiming it to be from Mystery Science Theater 3000. As far as I can determine it's not from the show, it's a Fan Fiction MST-ing of the book. As such it seems like the whole thing should be deleted, or at least moved to a Fan Fiction/ page. Anybody else have an opinion on this?

[1]: In the paragraph re the MST fanfic "Dale Goes Nuts!" by John Nowak and Matt Plotecher:

This particular fanfic is less grim ... and shorter than their later MSTing of the dime novel "Tom Swift and his War Tank." [link goes to the same page as the link on our Literature.Tom Swift page]

Furthermore, the page itself has the note "This MiSTing is [c] copyright 2001 by John Nowak and Matt Plotecher."

Trope Licious added again an example in Star Wars that was removed because of discussion in the discussion page to Revenge of the Sith, with a mod saying that the entry in question is invalid.

Ookamikun has issues with Example Indentation, Zero Context Examples, and some Natter.

Periphery Hatedom needs a ton of help. It's supposed to refer to works which are widely, if not universally, hated outside their target audience, but I'm seeing an increasing number of examples that boil down to "any work that has a large hatedom," or worse, "work with even a few detractors, even if the fandom is much larger." The only reason I'm bringing it up here is because of the "no new threads" policy in the trope repair shop.

I'm trying to get rid of the Trivia Entry note on the Caravan Palace page for their album, <I°_°I>. How do I do that?

Do earlier drafts of works that are changed significantly when they are finalized matter for trope entries?

I'm asking because in Carrera's Legions I removed the entry for AKA47 as not being the trope, guns renamed for trademark reasons, but simply using different names for equipment that's pretty much modern day (or even recent past) equipment IN THE FUTURE!.

enderheisenberg, who added the AKA-47 entry in the first place, re-added it after my removal (Edit War in and of itself), and added the line "These were direct conversions from early drafits where the story takes part on earth." That doesn't seem like it actually makes the entry an example, but there's enough uncertainty on my part that I thought I'd ask before taking any action.

Question for everybody:

If a work has a high body count but the heroic group is untouched for the majority of a film, then if the first one killed is black (or a minority) is that Black Dude Dies First?

In this case, I bring this up after a recent edit on Terminator 2: Judgment Day, which removed the trope because the black dude wasn't literally the very first victim of the movie, although he was the first victim of the heroic group.

Editor physics_one seems to have severe grammar problems and an extremely weak grasp of the wiki's formatting guidelines. The Mad Men recap pages created by said editor are almost incomprehensible.

The Dragon needs to be renamed. It is a misnomer. Legendary dragons were not Dragons as the site defines it, enforcers or the chief "muscle" for the villain. They were enemies in their own right.

From the discussion page:

"The fact that a trope called 'The Dragon' is illustrated with Darth Vader should already be a hint that actual dragons fulfilling this trope are rather sparse."

One of the most-linked tropes, and one with its own derivative names? Who cares? The truth needs to be told.

Can someone explain why the "But This Is Ridiculous" trope page is gone?

quackytrope has an ongoing problem with indentation while editing, and I've sent them a lifetime total of 10 Issue Helpers. Only once have I been replied by the troper, and the closest thing to addressig the problem they said was that they asked me to see if they had made some other mistake in regards of one of the culprit edits. Since then, it's been the same kind of issues.

The most recent offenses are:

• Misindentation.
• A violation of Repair, Don't Respond (the edit that starts with "though it turns out", the other edits by the same user are fine).
• Misindentation (and I perceive that the example is shoehorned anyway).
• Example deleted without a reason.
• Misindentation.

I will fix these edits in the meantime.

Is there a restriction about having "fuck" in your avatar? I know there is about having "fuck" in your title or sig, but idk about the avatar.

(the avatar is [1]◊ just FYI)

Alright, so a few months ago I made a page for a classic film called Midnight. The only problem is that there is a fanfic page for a manga of the same name (the fanfic of the manga is called Midnight, but the actual manga is InuYasha). Obviously, these two (the film and fanfic) are unrelated, but they appear on the same page. Could it be possible to separate them, so people don't get confused?

Sally Shears doesn't seem to understand the namespace rules, having put Star Trek: Renegades in first Main, and then Series after I messaged them. I'm about to bump it to Web Video and cutlist the original pages, but there's also a pile of Zero Context Examples and YMMV in Main (an issue I've messaged Sally about before).

EDIT: Also issues with spelling, Example Indentation, and misuse of Character Development, Impossibly Cool Clothes, Shout-Out, and Those Two Guys.

Quick question, should we do something about this page? There seems to be a bit of flame warring going on.

Are we supposed to have Spanish pages? patoezequiel has been adding commented out lines on to several of these pages. Also all of them look short.

What is You Would Make a Great Model supposed to be, and why is it locked?

I just came across ComicBook.Action Comics and saw the formatting headers cut through the image. Any ideas how to fix that, or should we just remove the headers?

beebroox had been playing around with the image for Buffy the Vampire Slayer trying to find a better one. His past two were pretty good, but he's fussed over resolution. Might it be an idea to get a image picking discussion going to find what would be the best for, frankly, what started the whole site in the first place?

Need Recap.Supergirl 2015 turned into an index.

Ref. French Series.

I'm assuming this is only for shows from metropolitan (European) France?

I ask as I was about to add a show, but reflected that it's French-Canadian, from Quebec, even though it has screened on French TV.

Also, what would be the status of French-language shows from outside France - from Quebec, Switzerland or Belgium - would they go here?

Just checking.

Very long edit war on Anvilicious on the new Supergirl's page. Started back in May, recently popped up again.

Basically, one person keeps putting in what amounts to a justifying edit. Other people keep trying to say "prove it." Edit reasons are getting a bit rude, too. Not great form all around.

Personally, I think it should stay gone. It's a Justifying Edit that doesn't really add any context to Anvilicious itself and it reeks of Examples Are Not Arguable.

Pulling to discussion for the moment.

Prof Etheric is removing many examples of Autumn Bay.

Seeking clarification:

@shimaspawn put on the Mod Hat in this YKTTW for the "Kart Racer" video game genre, saying that it could not be launched because the vast majority of examples had no context. Okay, that sounds fair.

I went over to the Fighting Game page to try to get some inspiration for how examples in genre pages are usually given context, only to find that literally none of the examples on that page have any context whatsoever.

Confused, I went to the Fighting Game Discussion page to ask what the deal was. I was told there that Fighting Game is an index, and that index pages don't require context the way trope pages do.

I went back to the Kart Racer YKTTW and reported my findings in Fighting Game and suggested that Kart Racer should probably also be an index. @shimaspawn put his Mod Hat back on and said (direct quote), "Just because a page does indexing doesn't mean it's not still a trope. This page has a definition. It has a defined trope. ...The existence of other poorly written pages does not give this one a free pass."

So, just to make sure that I'm taking the right lesson from this: am I to understand that, as an index page that also includes a trope definition, Fighting Game examples should also have context, and it's just that no one's gotten around to fixing that page yet?

I ask because there are at least some games on that page that I know well enough to start adding context, but I want to make sure that I'm understanding the rules correctly before I go mucking around there.

Thanks!

What's the etiquette of launching a sandbox page created by another user?

The Sandbox page The Six Gun Tarot was created in 2014, but the original maker hasn't updated it since. I'd like to create a page on the wiki for The Golgotha Series, of which The Six-Gun Tarot is the first novel — is there anything I need to do first, or is it okay if I go ahead with that?

Watcher CCG added a paragraph about a Pokemon being considered too overpowered by Smogon(that are not the creators of the game) in the Purposefully Overpowered page.

Psi001 has a long record of misindentation, natter and cruft edits, and I sent them a lifetime total of 15 Issue Helpers. In none of those cases has the troper replied, and I fear the message might have simply been disregarded. The most recent offenses are:

• A violation of Repair, Don't Respond.
• A misindented trope entry. It's also a violation of Repair Don't Respond.
• Yet another Justifying Edit, and also mislinks a trope page (it should be CamelCase since it's neither a single-word trope name or is it written in plural).
• "Pretty much" wording, and further below you can spot a misindented example.
• Misindented example.
• Another misindented example.

I'm proceeding to fix these issues in the meantime.

This was a while back; but it appears that Jake The Snake has/had the space to spaaaace plugin installed, per the edit on Riddle for the Ages back in January of 2014 and has been uncorrected until now.

Jake seems to have disappeared back in May of 2014 though, so it might not need any mod action.

EDIT: Checking Jake's other edits, it's the only page that was affected.

What's the difference between Who's Laughing Now?, Not-So-Harmless Villain, and From Nobody to Nightmare? Thanks in advance.