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[–]LeslieHughesLDP -73ポイント-72ポイント  (87子コメント)

If law abiding citizens were able to carry guns, criminals would face the prospect of death the moment they pull out their gun.

Gun prohibition doesn't work any better than drug prohibition.

Edit: now at -60, for posting a genuine opinion. Once I go into negative, I'm restricted in my posting. Why can't people follow reddit rules? Why must you shut out opinions that differ to your own?

Perhaps it's the fact that you can't help but use down votes to punish, despite the rules, makes you scatted of guns? Perhaps of you had a gun, you'd use that against people with different opinions too?

If you downvote people because of opinion differences, you are really just showing that you are a pathetic loser who acts without integrity when no one is looking. You are showing that if given any power (such as a downvote) you'd use it for your own purposes, despite the rules and spirit of the community. You are showing why the power of people in government needs to be strictly limited.

[–]Sergiokun 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm alright not having to turn on the news and see a school shooting every week like in the US thanks

[–]PutnumDandenongs is not Dandenong 30ポイント31ポイント  (6子コメント)

Jimmy threw a rock at Johnny in the playground. The teacher decided the best action to take was to give every child a rock. They all lived happily ever after.

[–]Jimmy-The-Juice 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Johnny deserved it.

[–]frggrInner North 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of courrrrse Jimmy would say that!

[–]DontMentionLobsters 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Victim blaming!

[–]flobbycobb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[–]Kev_Mentos -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except government aren't teachers and adults aren't students. Do you have any concept of personal liberty and independence at all? Or do you like the idea of being treated like a child under a nanny government your whole life?

[–]LeslieHughesLDP -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or do you like the idea of being treated like a child under a nanny government your whole life?

This is what most of these people really want.

[–]exshitholepat 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm just glad you will never be even remotely close to be elected and be part of these kind of decisions.

[–]cayal3Moon Knight 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure his party is no longer a party.

[–]tjsrCrazyburn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope this is true, but then again, look at people like Abetz, Abbott and Conroy who managed to.

[–]reaper123 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gun prohibition doesn't work any better than drug prohibition.

Seems to be working ok in Australia compared the the US.

[–]cayal3Moon Knight 13ポイント14ポイント  (36子コメント)

criminals would face the prospect of death the moment they pull out their gun.

Yeah, look how shit scared they are in the USA. No crime there.

You're a moron, plain and simple.

[–]thenewkumden 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because we all know that people make rational decisions in the heat of the moment and what better way to escalate it than pulling a gun on someone.

[–]Kev_Mentos -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah you're right. Better to leave innocent people completely defenceless then. Its far more preferable that they quietly take a bullet in their internal organs than scare delicate flowers like yourself by obtaining a legal means of resisting an attacker.

[–]Bremic 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Reading the article, I think we would be better off banning four wheel drives for non off road purposes.

Yes, that doesn't make sense, but it's probably a little less silly than what you said.

[–]Fumanchuipoo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh no, that makes perfect sense. let's do it.

[–]cayal3Moon Knight 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Let's just ban living. People can't die if they aren't alive!

[–]Ores 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

But then only criminals will live.

[–]cayal3Moon Knight 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And they can have their guns.

[–]Ores 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great! let's leave guns on every street corner!

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[–]Kev_Mentos -1ポイント0ポイント  (14子コメント)

Rules don't apply to leftists. It's Reddit's #1 rule.

They'll silence you before they'll argue with you, all the while telling you how tolerant and open minded they are.

[–]DrCopAthleteatLaw 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Except I'm right wing and still think you're both absolute idiots who shouldn't be in charge of a 7/11 let alone any office of responsibility.

The self defence argument is flawed in that when someone pulls a gun on you, you don't have be time to pull out your own gun, and you aren't even likely to have the gun on you. So there's almost no point to having a "self-defense" gun. Furthermore, if everyone has "self-defense" guns, then people who didn't previously have guns, but who are mentally unstable, will have access to guns, and are one mental breakdown away from a shooting.

And you can defend yourself against someone with a gun when you don't have a gun - people have rushed them and taken their gun from them more often than they have taken their own gun out and shot them.

If you can provide statistics that show that self-defense gun use has been of a huge benefit in the US, then we can begin to consider that argument with some degree of respect.

[–]LeslieHughesLDP -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except I'm right wing and still think you're both absolute idiots who shouldn't be in charge of a 7/11 let alone any office of responsibility.

So... downvotes for disagreement are warranted?

What's your point?

The self defence argument is flawed in that when someone pulls a gun on you, you don't have be time to pull out your own gun, and you aren't even likely to have the gun on you.

LOL. The fact someone might have a gun in their home, or on them, provides a huge disincentive for criminals. Also, if a gun doesn't help those being attacked, why do police carry them?

Did you even think about that before you typed it?

You say we are not capable to run a 7/11, but you can't even address the argument correctly... the argument that you posed!

but who are mentally unstable, will have access to guns, and are one mental breakdown away from a shooting.

yeah... we might have people shooting at others from their cars, right? Or even worse, maybe we'd have a guy take over a cafe in some type of seige, when he clearly wasn't stable and already had a huge AFP/ASIO record.... yeah?

... but seriously, gun control works, right?

[–]DrCopAthleteatLaw 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

My point is that it's not a lefty thing to think that you're both mentally disabled.

You say a lack of gun control provides a disincentive to criminals who seek to break in to people's homes - what evidence do you have for that claim? How can you prove that the "disincentive" has reduced crime in the US? Or that the lack thereof has provided an increase in break-ins in Australia? Short answer - none.

Yes, Mr. Cherry picker, putting more guns out in the hands of psychopaths will increase the number of psychopaths using them. How do you not comprehend that logic?

You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper.

[–]LeslieHughesLDP -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My point is that it's not a lefty thing to think that you're both mentally disabled.

How about we both take a psych test? I'm using my real name on this site. I am secure enough to do so.

How about you, what's behind your mask?

You say a lack of gun control provides a disincentive to criminals who seek to break in to people's homes - what evidence do you have for that claim?

What is game theory? What are incentives? What changes a risk profile for a criminal? Why aren't their mass shootings at gun shows, and why are all of the mass shootings in gun free zones?

How can you prove that the "disincentive" has reduced crime in the US? Or that the lack thereof has provided an increase in break-ins in Australia? Short answer - none.

How can you prove it hasn't? Why has violent crime in America continued to go down as guns have become more and more liberalised?

You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper.

You are deluded.

[–]LeslieHughesLDP -4ポイント-3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Another interesting thought...

Most people here are middle-class inner-city folk.

They've never had to live in bad neighbourhoods. They have never had to walk though bad areas alone on the way back from their late-night job. They have no idea what it's like to live in a violent area. They have never had to live somewhere and constantly feel totally defenceless.

The reason why these people would support policies that keep things like pepperspray out of the hands of law abiding people is absurd.

[–]Rhainbow 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

They've never had to live in bad neighbourhoods. They have never had to walk though bad areas alone on the way back from their late-night job.

I've done that a bit and hated it. There's no way I'd do it again if people had easy access to guns like you want.

[–]LeslieHughesLDP -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

People do have easy access to guns.

[–]apriloneilit's pronounced "Reservoor". I don't get it either. 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I live in Thomastown. A man was shot and killed there this morning. I work hospitality. I also work in a brothel. I don't get home until between 4-6am. I'm female. I often walk alone at night.

I. Do. Not. Want. Guns. Don't speak on my behalf.

[–]LeslieHughesLDP -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cool, but you are the one banning others from having them. You are the one forcing your views onto others.

[–]apriloneilit's pronounced "Reservoor". I don't get it either. 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If that means not touching our gun laws, I'm totally fine with that.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_TOPKEK 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think most people here have more life experience than some sad fuck spending every day stalking undergrads on the internet

[–]LeslieHughesLDP -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

lol, another loser who is big behind their keyboard?

How's Daddy's car? Figure out how to change the stereo yet, sweetie pie? but hey, feel free to lecture me about life experience :)

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_TOPKEK 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahahahaha

Spends all day stalking undergrads and shitposting
Tries to defend himself haplessly by stalking a reddit account

Primo application of your life experiences and skills Leslie

And yeah, car goes good, and by the kindness of another r/melbourne poster who has life experience (and social skills), I now know how to remove, replace and install car stereos and speakers, adding to my life experience. I now have another thing that's worthwhile to people and society around me.

But hey, not all of us can harass kids on Facebook, rail against DA MAN while desperately trying to suckle on the government teat (and failing at every step), and sit on reddit for 40 hours a week and still consider it a life worth living. I guess we just don't have "life experience"