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Understanding (and Refuting) the Arguments for God

Michael Shermer has made a career of skepticism — he is the founder of Skeptic, for one — but in his 2000 book, How We Believe: The Search for God in an Age of Science, he does not come across as the hardcore atheist you might expect. (He prefers "nontheist.") One can appreciate his honesty and integrity. In a media that both champions and lambasts the so-called "New Atheist" movement, Shermer says one thing: Show me the evidence.
Certain fundamentalists and atheists alike see the question of God as an either-or proposal, not content on the murky speculations presented by the other "side." As Shermer points out, what we consider "miraculous" simply means what we do not currently understand. In the books he investigates 10 arguments for the existence of God. It should be noted that he does not question whether religion is right or wrong; he merely looks at these arguments from a reasonable standpoint.
1. / 2. Prime Mover/First Cause: The first two arguments essentially state: Since everything is in constant motion, there must have been something that first moved everything. And that is God.
This argument results in an infinite regress. If God is the entirety of the universe, and everything in it must be moved, then something must have moved God. Rephrased, God either must be in the universe or is the universe. If God does not need to be caused, then not everything in the universe needs a cause. If everything does need a cause, then something caused God.
3. Possibility and Necessity Argument: Not everything is possible, for that admits the possibility that there could be nothing. If nothing once existed, the universe could not have come into existence. What exists of its own necessity is God. 
Shermer borrows from Martin Gardner by stating that this is a "mysterian mystery" — the idea that nothing is unknowable is due to our minds being unable to process the thought of it. It is conceivable that nothing could exist; we just cannot imagine it.
4. The Perfectionist/Ontological Argument: This convoluted argument presented by an 11th century archbishop named St. Anselm boils down to: a) There must be a cause for our very being, goodness, and perfection, and b) Is it impossible to think of God as nonexistent.
As Shermer points out, if the first point were true, you would have to add the false, ignoble, and worst, all of which would also be God. This argument is not uncommon: God seems to be around when things go well, suddenly on leave when they do not. As for perfection, humans invented this concept. You can always think of something "better than," as in adding one to infinity. Finally, it is impossible to think of anything as nonexistent, since our thoughts are always on something that exists, has existed, or could potentially exist.  This argument proves nothing.
5. The Design/Teleological Argument: The heart of the modern creationist model: Since things act for a reason, there must be a designer. Otherwise how could we explain the perfect symbiotic relationship between insects and flowers? 
Shermer points out that there are many design flaws in nature, such as the hind legs of a python and a whale’s flipper. I’ll add the human neck, which from a structural standpoint is not up to par with the 14-pound weight of our heads, especially with all the gazing down at our phones. If God perfectly designed us, he would have foreseen the ridiculous amount of time we stare at devices; thus, our necks would be much sturdier. 
6. The Miracles Argument: The miracles of the Bible and any after can only be explained by an intervention from God.
As stated above, a miracle is simply something we cannot explain. To imagine all the great works of literature written thanks to the human imagination, then to somehow think the Bible is a special edition where everything is true, is foolish. It is, like other books of its time and since, a work of fiction.
7. Pascal’s Wager Argument: The famous wager by French mathematician/philosopher Blaise Pascal: If we bet God does not exist and he does, we have everything to lose and gain nothing. If we believe, we have everything to win.
Obviously there is no proof in this argument. As Shermer points out, if believing implies going to church, attending services, and so forth, then there is much to lose: time. Also, what god are we talking about believing in? If not the Judeo-Christian God, you’d have a lot to lose as well.
8. The Mystical Experience Argument: Mystical experiences have existed throughout history in many cultures. They imply some sort of direct connection with the divine, usually in the form of "light" or a "feeling."
Shermer points out that the "visions" experienced in such encounters correlate with temporal lobe seizures or other neurochemical reactions. For myself, I have experienced a number of such "visions" on LSD, ayahuasca, and other substances. While emotionally and mentally profound, I see no reason to attribute chemistry to a creator.
9. Fideism, or the Credo Quia Consolans Argument: This is not an argument at all. Basically, it means you believe in God because it consoles you.
Many people believe in religion for exactly this reason. And yet, if beliefs are based on emotions rather than evidence, it negates the necessity of reason and science altogether. You can’t argue against this one as it’s not an argument, but it still does not hold up from a logical standpoint.
10. The Moral Argument: Alongside the creationist argument, this is the most popular: How can there be morals without God?
The notion that everyone would turn into robbers, rapists, and murderers if it were discovered there is no God is ludicrous. Morals are based on cultural upbringing and, to a degree, genetics. Likewise, if morals were the domain of God and He is omnipotent, then there is a flaw in His creation when humans do bad things. There is no sense in this argument; altruism and empathy are part of our evolution as social beings. Living in society helps us create morals for the betterment of the whole. 
Image: St Salvator church, God. (Photo by: Godong/UIG via Getty Images)
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        • Roder51 an hour ago
          Oh look! An Evangelist with proof that God exists and I just found out who Jack the ripper was.
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            • NonCompassionateLiberal an hour ago
              "God either must be in the universe or is the universe"
              Creator and creation are the exact same thing -- This Is It (thank you, Alan Watts)
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                • Gabriel Escolan an hour ago
                  I suggest reading the metaphysics of Xavier Zubiri, it is a response to Heiddegger nihilistic existentialism. Zubiri basically argues that beyond the personal reality of each, there is absolutely absolute reality, to which we are linked, and we have to realize ourselves. In that sense the reality is powerful, has a power over us. The reality demands us to realize ourselves in life, find our destiny in reality is inevitable. It is an existential search to the enigma. So spirituality is an anthropological condition and Faith is an existential exit. God, therefore, would be the ultimate foundation of reality absolutely aboslute. Can you think for a second in the absolutely absolute reality or in the sense of realization in life? The greeks used the word enthusiasm to describe the experience. A word that came form en-theos, that means with a god inside. That was the experience on Socrates life.
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                    • John Allegro 11 hours ago
                      I don't think it is wise to talk about 'God' in general; such a 'God' is a total abstraction. I think you must be more specific. What God? Allah? Zeus? Odin? Shiva? Jahweh? There's no 'God' without the specific description in the accompanying 'holy book' or 'personal belief'. Talking about 'God' suggests we're talking about the same being but if you ask long enough almost nobody beliefs in the same 'God'. Everybody has his or her own image of 'God'. In Hinduism alone there are already thousands of 'Gods' and 'Goddesses' and everybody there has his or her own interpretation of all those 'Gods' and 'Godesses'. So everybody who says that 'God' exist has a lot of work to do proving his or her 'God' is/are the actual one and only true God(s) and all the others are hoaxes........
                      Succes and greetz from the Netherlands. ROFLOL!!!
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                        • Rhys Maclean > John Allegro 2 hours ago
                          Hi John. I am not religious but I am also so not self centered as to believe I know weather God or a higher power / intelligence exists or existed but I will point out from an entirely abstract view point that It makes no difference if people believe in the "same" God or not. That doesn't make it so and at our current level of evolution and understanding we simply don't have these answers. People worship different Gods. They worship their on Gods but should said God or Gods exist this has no bearing upon whatever that reality may in fact be.
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                          • James Redford a day ago
                            Hi, Derek Beres. God has been proven to exist per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics), of which have been confirmed by every experiment to date. For the details on that, see my following article on physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology; and on the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE), which is also mathematically forced by the aforesaid known physical laws. The Omega Point cosmology is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) per said laws of physics that the universe must end in the Omega Point: the final cosmological singularity and state of infinite computational capacity having all the unique properties traditionally claimed for God, and of which is a different aspect of the Big Bang initial singularity, i.e., the first cause. The Omega Point cosmology has been published and extensively peer-reviewed in leading physics journals.
                            * James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708.
                            Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.
                            * James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", alt.sci.astro, Message-ID: jghev8tcbv02b6vn3uiq8jmelp7jijluqk[at sign]4ax[period]com , July 30, 2013.
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                                • James Redford > KokoTheTalkingApe 15 minutes ago
                                  Hi, KokoTheTalkingApe. You wrote, "You are a moron." The only way to avoid the Omega Point cosmology is to reject empirical science, since it is a mathematical theorem per the know laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics), of which have been confirmed by every experiment conducted to date. As Prof. Stephen Hawking wrote, "one cannot really argue with a mathematical theorem." (From p. 67 of Stephen Hawking, The Illustrated A Brief History of Time [New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1996; 1st ed., 1988].)
                                  For the details on that, see my following article on physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology, which has been published and extensively peer-reviewed in leading physics journals. It is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) demonstrating that sapient life (in the form of, e.g., immortal superintelligent human-mind computer-uploads and artificial intelligences) is required by the known laws of physics to take control over all matter in the universe, for said life to eventually force the collapse of the universe, and for the computational resources of the universe (in terms of both processor speed and memory space) to diverge to infinity as the universe collapses into a final singularity, termed the Omega Point. Said Omega Point cosmology is also an intrinsic component of the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE) correctly describing and unifying all the forces in physics, of which TOE is itself mathematically forced by the aforesaid known physical laws.
                                  The Omega Point final singularity has all the unique properties (quiddities) claimed for God in the traditional religions. My following article also addresses the societal implications of Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the details on how it uniquely conforms to, and precisely matches, the cosmology described in the New Testament:
                                  * James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708.
                                  Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.
                                  * James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", alt.sci.astro, Message-ID: jghev8tcbv02b6vn3uiq8jmelp7jijluqk[at sign]4ax[period]com , July 30, 2013.
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                                • S_i_m_o_n a day ago
                                  If only Shermer did understand the arguments for God then people could take his refutations seriously.
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                                  • pwatch a day ago
                                    Love it...reason without anger...a far cry from the salivating argumentation of Evangelicals who simply cannot allow anything they consider an attack on there vericity to exist. So much for their many cries that they really do love sinners. Not.
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                                      • dromd a day ago
                                        Once a person can admit that there is no God, then the riddle of whether there is a God or not is answered.
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                                          • Tobias a day ago
                                            This was a very week entry for atheism. What the prime mover argument says is that everything that begins to exist has a first cause. And we know that the universe begun to exist because of Einsteins theory of relativity, because the universes is flat and we live in a zero energy universe and because of the second law of thermodynamics.
                                            What we know is that one thing must be the uncaused thing. Whether it be an unstable quantum vacuum or God.
                                            I believe this first cause is God because the universe is in some sort fine tuned for life to exist ect.
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                                              • Alex Lee > Tobias 9 minutes ago
                                                I laughed so hard at #1 too. People aren't sincere when they think about the point you just made, they all have a confirmation bias because theydon't want to believe in God. So nothing anyone says will make them think otherwise.
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                                                  • LoneWulf57 > Tobias a day ago
                                                    Doesn't matter what you believe, it only matters to science what you can prove. You can assert God created the universe but you have no evidence to back up this claim. Any way you talk alot about scientific claims there, do you know more about science than the scientists researching these things?
                                                    Its good you believe in a God, but what justification do you have for such a belief?
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                                                      • Ian Wardell > LoneWulf57 4 hours ago
                                                        One doesn't need evidence for metaphysical issues. One needs arguments.
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                                                          • Darrell > LoneWulf57 4 hours ago
                                                            The analogy I like to use is that of a game of chess. Assume I have no idea what the rules are but I just observed people playing the game. The rules and strategies are analogous to scientific principles. You can analyze the players, study and determine how the rules affect other aspects of the game, run tests and establish a baseline. In the end I will figure out all the rules and all the nuances of strategy. IBM's big blue springs to mind.
                                                            However the ultimate purpose of the game cannot be understood with that type of study. I'm not talking about the fact of winning or losing I'm referring to the "why" of the game as opposed to the "what".
                                                            Why are these people playing it? I know there must be a reason - but I can't understand what that is within the context of the game data itself. To understand that fundamental principle would transcend the "science" of the game.
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                                                              • LoneWulf57 > Darrell 4 hours ago
                                                                Hold on, what makes you think your analogy applies to our reality? That is just an assumption on your part, an assumption based on something that you were taught to believe. We can only agree on (according to your analogy) that the chess game exists, why do we have to makeup anything beyond that? thats only you deciding that part exists without giving any compelling reason to do so.
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                                                                  • Darrell > LoneWulf57 2 hours ago
                                                                    You are assuming I was taught to believe certain ideas first. Which is incorrect. It's more complex than that. It's a much deeper personal sense that for a thing to be real, then it must have a reason to be real rather than the other way around. (i.e. it just exists for no reason). This sense triggered a process of analysis based on this starting assumption.
                                                                    But I also suspect that sense of purpose cannot be quantified using the scientific methods that quantify the reality of what I am witnessing, at least in the case of the chess game. When one extrapolates this idea to the human condition where the conscience is layered in to the equation (and I only witness the outside actions) the problem obviously gets far more complex.
                                                                    I think we each owe ourselves the opportunity to evaluate that idea of purpose rather than dismiss it out of hand (as I used to). How I applied that sense to my understanding of what I have learned, both through my scientific and engineering education as well as my desire to dig into philosophical issues (much of which I does not apply here) is not relevant here. At least it's a separate discussion.
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                                                                  • Sharka Todd > LoneWulf57 5 hours ago
                                                                    It matters what you believe to yourself. Everyone will make up their own mind on whether life has meaning beyond that we give it. If science is unable to be applied to whether something is true or not (e.g the existence of non-physical realities or a God) then we have to rely on other types of knowing. For example, we can't look to science to determine what our heart's desire is. We must find out for ourselves. Science has it's domain, as does logic and experience. We use the tools that suit our particular inquiry.
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