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[–]disasterzeroDeadpool 237ポイント238ポイント  (285子コメント)

I guess I'm out of the loop on this one. Why is he receiving these threats?

[–]KaiosamaBlack Bolt 73ポイント74ポイント  (2子コメント)

I guess I'm out of the loop on this one. Why is he receiving these threats?

Fox News did a hit piece framing Sam going against white supremacists as Sam 'attacking conservatism'. I shit you not.

The result is as expected.

[–]ncolaros 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

The amazing thing about this is they're basically saying "white supremacists and conservatives are the same" because they take exception to this. Conservatives shouldn't care because these people are not typical conservatives. These people are extremist and racist.

[–]rj20876Nightwing 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, they blatantly compared themselves to racist...big surprise.

[–]Vonselv 311ポイント312ポイント  (252子コメント)

Simply put people are racist.

[–]questions575 67ポイント68ポイント  (229子コメント)

Is Nick Spencer black then, or what?

[–]ChicaneryBearHawkeye 230ポイント231ポイント  (205子コメント)

He's writing Captain America: Sam Wilson. Fox News framed a story about white supremacists as an attack on conservatives. Things followed.

[–]SparkyPantsMcGeeThe Question 271ポイント272ポイント  (200子コメント)

http://youtu.be/5v46yDz70X8

I don't know what I was expecting but Jesus Christ that Fox News report was worse than I imagine. They've gone from politically biased and comically ignorant to blatantly supporting racism and white supremacy.

[–]Xervicx 228ポイント229ポイント  (48子コメント)

They obviously didn't do research on Captain America, because he's gone against most of America on some occasions. Like Civil War. He fights for the America he believes in, not whatever America exists at the time.

[–]HellmarkImmortal Iron Fist 154ポイント155ポイント  (16子コメント)

Yeah, Cap is all about freedom, rights, and fair treatment. He fights for an ideal America.

[–]Xervicx 90ポイント91ポイント  (13子コメント)

Learning about those moments for him was what made me a lot more interested in comics than I was previously. Knowing that Captain America wasn't just an "AMURICA FUCK YEAH" character made me hopeful about what the rest of the issues faced in comics were. I can respect that personally because I think true patriotism isn't supporting what your country does, it's wanting better for your country.

[–]RatchetBro 73ポイント74ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm almost positive Steve Rogers has fought klansmen and the like more than once.

[–]kscann 73ポイント74ポイント  (8子コメント)

Hatemonger is basically a purple klansman. He's also literally Hitler, because sometimes you just gotta say "fuck subtlety".

[–]suss2it 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's very often said in comics.

[–]klapauciusJohn Constantine 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I once picked up an issue of Supervillain Team-Up at a flea market where Red Skull and Hate-Monger join forces to create a Cosmic Cube.

Red Skull ends up betraying Hate-Monger because he feels that Hitler wasn't dedicated enough to the Nazi cause.

[–]TastyBrainMeatsPower Girl 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, that's roughly what happened in the movie.

[–]RidleyScotchSecret Agent Poyo 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

The Punished storyline from not too long ago where Hatemonger and Punisher go at it is really entertaining

[–]AtomicSamuraiCyborg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He also fought the evil Richard Nixon analogue the Hate-Monger. Who was basically a purple KKK member with "hate-rays".

[–]do_i_even_liftEnds of the Earth Spider-Man 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

I mean, Daredevil literally just went up against white supremacists, and the Wakandan embassy in his Waid run. Does that make Waid a racist at all for either of those depictions?

[–]drewxdeficitRaphael 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the same villains group that Daredevil fought.

[–]MisterboboRorschach 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

"You should criticize power even if you agree with it."

[–]urko37Atomic Robo 74ポイント75ポイント  (11子コメント)

What in the actual fuck. Now this makes sense: https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/655913649773543425

That clip was helpful to confirm that Tucker Carlson is still a dick. That little smirk he gave after saying "They think ordinary Americans like you are dangerous" - ugh, he knows exactly what he's doing.

EDIT: This clip deserves to be reposted on its own - more people should see this insanity.

[–]PotatoQuie 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

How does Tucker Carlson still have a job after Jon Stewart ripped him to shreds back on Crossfire?

[–]Nic871 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Link!! It is amazing, I just watched it.

[–]BatMannwith2NsHawkeye 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because he's a shill that has no problem selling every word and action that comes out of him.

[–]TweetsInCommentsBot 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

@nickspencer

2015-10-19 01:09 UTC

More than anything I'm just amazed how certain media coverage of Sam Wilson: Captain America #1 directly mirrors what we showed in the book.


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[–]dragonbornrisesSpider-Man Expert 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Tucker Carlson is the real-world G. Gordon Godfrey.

[–]loki1887Loki 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Does that make Rupert Murdoch Darkseid? And Bill O'Reilly can be Kalibak, he's so angry.

[–]SgtSlaughterEX 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah Bill is definitely Granny Goodness. They even look alike.

[–]peon47Invincible 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ordinary Americans like you or me or this perfectly normal American here

I mean, he's basically Joe the Plumber 2.0, right?

[–]BlobDude 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Remember back in the day, when Captain America was punching Hitler in the face? That was the front page of a comic book, I liked that."

Oh, so you were fine with Captain America punching an oppressive bigot in the 40s, but not now in 2015?

[–]ClikeXNightwing 51ポイント52ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Only non-US citizens can be evil." - Fox News

Seriously, what's with them.

EDIT: Changed americans to US citizens. As they clearly mean US born and raised.

[–]soulbreaker1418 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

i saw that too, like if 90%+ of all the killed americans in US soil weren´t by the hands of other americans

[–]hussm 84ポイント85ポイント  (57子コメント)

Oh my.. That just made me realise how I should appreciate the BBC a lot more.

[–]SamsungSmartCam 20ポイント21ポイント  (36子コメント)

indeed. I've given up on US news.

[–]J-Nice 67ポイント68ポイント  (32子コメント)

Not to be that guy but you should really check out NPR. They are about as fair as possible. My only problem is that they have too many feel good stories.

About 10 years ago I was in the same boat as you and I couldn't take the partisan news anymore. I felt like all my opinions were skewed and that I was more misinformed than before I started following the news. So I tried NPR and haven't been disappointed.

http://www.npr.org/

[–]PotatoSilencerSuperman 35ポイント36ポイント  (8子コメント)

Personally I think news programs need more feel good stories instead of presenting an artificially gloomy world.

[–]angethedudeHercules 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes! No matter how much we bitch the world is a better place and is constantly getting better than it used to be. Think about it. Back in the day people used to die from horrible diseases and everything smelled like poop.

[–]J-Nice 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know what this is proving but I thought it was kinda funny.

fungoid_sorceror "NPR is basically Fox light"

The_Strudel_Master Booster "NPR are liberal biased."

I guess perception is everything.

[–]Kalkaline 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

Mostly, Diane Rehm isn't afraid to show she leans left. But she does bring some good guests on and doesn't shout over people when she doesn't agree.

[–]d3r3k1449 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am not saying you should not have done that in general but the average US news org is not Fox News.

[–]maynardftwArseface 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is the most popular news channel, though. Sadly.

[–]Lilah_Rose 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how "comic books are struggling" because of comic films somehow. Like those films haven't introduced a whole new readership to the comics and we're not currently in a comics Renaissance.

[–]vivvavDeadmod 66ポイント67ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Keep politics out of comic books, that's what I say."

No, it isn't what you say, because just before you wanted a comic about the nobility of border control.

Also IF YOU DON'T READ COMICS YOU DON'T GET A SAY.

[–]MulciberTenebrasSpidey 2099 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same goes for VIDEO GAMES

They never played "Mass Effect", but that didn't stop them from riling up the old folks by claiming that an un-Godly "Alien Sex Simulator" was being sold to the kiddies.

[–]SparkyPantsMcGeeThe Question 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep politics out of comics...unless it's stuff I agree with and helps the agenda I'm trying to push!1!

[–]ShinCoalThe Ranger 121ポイント122ポイント  (10子コメント)

Keep politics out of comic books, thats what I say.

What about we keep your opinion about something you probably don't know jack shit about out of our comic books and use politics in comic books because its just media like any other.

[–]IckulusDeath 89ポイント90ポイント  (4子コメント)

That was also like two seconds after she approved of cap punching Hitler. That is also politics in comics.

[–]TheLeekShallInherit 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep politics I don't like out of comics, that's what I say

[–]JRutterbush 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

Comic books have been a source of political commentary right from the start, this lady has no fucking clue what she's talking about.

[–]aggr1103X-Force Deadpool 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Neither do the people that follow her and watch that nonsense.

[–]mrbarberGreen Arrow 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The good comics have always been relevant because it addresses what is occuring at the time, and that includes Politics. You know who says "Keep politics out of comic books"? People who don't read comics.

[–]Johnny_StoogeBucky 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or people insecure enough to be offended by the politics represented. Which is mainly conservatives being upset at the idea that Captain America is a New Deal democrat, or that Superman is a bit of a socialist.

Weird how these characters we've created to be the men of tomorrow are strangely progressive.

[–]beary_goodHawkeye 44ポイント45ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like how they're not upset about the villains being religious extremists, but rather upset that the religious extremists aren't Muslims.

[–]hussm 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't you know that ISIS are the only extremist organisation out there? A few years ago Al Qaeda were the only ones.

[–]5150RED 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, I forgot, Comics can't have some sort of message that comes from the author's worldview.

Also, were the presenters even aware that some comics (and Disney productions) were used as propaganda?

[–]Haokah226Donatello 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Watching that made me sick. So very very sick.

[–]BoomationRed Hood 39ポイント40ポイント  (4子コメント)

Holy shit, that was hilarious. Dude, they need to read Punk Rock Jesus, they'd have a goddamn heart attack.

[–]YodaFan465Batman of Zur-En-Arrh 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

This just in: Comics hate God!

[–]BoomationRed Hood 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

That sounds a lot like the old campaign in the 60s they did trying to convince parents that comics turns their kids into delinquents and criminals. Oh shit, Fox news is reliving the past!

[–]YodaFan465Batman of Zur-En-Arrh 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

^ 1954, but who's counting.

Source: I study this stuff for a living.

[–]BoomationRed Hood 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right. I knew it was somewhere around that time. I saw a documentary about the history of comic books a little while ago, but didn't really memorize any of the dates.

[–]GoldVader 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

This video definitely knocked a few points of my IQ, I mean god damn, how fucking stupid are the people at Fox news?

[–]functional_username 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously!? Is this a fucking joke. This feels like something I would have read in The Onion. I can't believe anyone still takes Fox seriously as a news organization. Thanks for posting this LOL!

[–]Tzadkielsauce 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fox News... may give people cancer. I don't know for certain, I just feel it in my gut. Which is probably just the cancer this video gave me.

[–]BatMannwith2NsHawkeye 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

What a putz, at the very end the guy on the left says something like "Now he's fighting Americans, they may be after you at home as well." and then he smiles as if he's so proud of himself for coming up with more fear mongering and oppression lies.

[–]Va_Fungool 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

anything to play the victim....they LOVE being the victim

[–]iwasinmybunk 13ポイント14ポイント  (11子コメント)

i like how the quote expert unquote explains the scenario and says that sam wilson has taken over for captain america, he's african american---ummmm...... ok. full stop. i remember in my journalism class in college i took years ago they said there are only two reasons to ever mention a persons ethnicity/race in a news story. 1) the person needs to be found (criminal, missing person or similar) so the public needs to know a description of the person, or 2) somehow their ethnicity/race is relevant to the news story. i.e. the person was victim of a bias attack.

In what way is his being african-american in ANY way relevant to this story. "He took over for captain america" period. christ almighty is it necessary to explain this to Fox and their followers? this just dog-whistle rabble-rousing.

[–]TrevorSlatterySpider-Man 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was weird, too. If anything, he should've said that he was Steve Rogers' longtime partner, but no. His heritage is obviously his only relevant trait.

[–]Va_Fungool 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

very well said, its pure dog whistle fear mongering. They know exactly what they are doing, mentioning that Cap is black is sure to ruffle feathers among the viewership

[–]GuoKaiFengDeadpool 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was almost surreal in how deranged their thinking comes across. Could easily slap that up on the Onion as is.

[–]JesterThomasDr. Strange 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

If Fox doesn't stand up for those poor white supremacists then who will? They're a marginalised group you know. :3

[–]JRutterbush 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Holy shit. I have absolutely no idea what's been going on in comics, or the overall story running in Captain American right now... and I can hear the spin coming off that guy barely a minute into the video. I don't know what the actual storyline is, but I can guarantee you it's not "This guy is just concerned about unlimited immigration!"

[–]TrevorSlatterySpider-Man 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't know what the actual storyline is, but I can guarantee you it's not "This guy is just concerned about unlimited immigration!"

Nope. They're just slightly more polite KKK members.

[–]DantePDInvincible 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not so much polite as they're supervillians, so they've got to monologue before they get on with the murdering.

[–]TrevorSlatterySpider-Man 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

What I mean is that they didn't call the immigrants spics.

[–]DantePDInvincible 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe if it was a MAX/Vertigo book.

[–]mEsjycCxNe8y7xAtomic Robo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, almost every sentence is just straight up incorrect.

[–]Deathfalcon182Grant Morrison 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Make a comic about border patrol.

Cap punching Hitler in face was the shit.

Keep politics out of comics.

Top kek.

Also notice how these shitheads got the message that African American was made Captain America as a pr stunt, that comics are tackling all the current social issues on wrong forefront and how Captain America's main villains are still Nazis but the Nazis are American citizens. Fox news, you really do understand the point comic's trying to make, instead you use it to push your own agenda while this being political season and all.

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[–]TrevorSlatterySpider-Man 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you think a group of bigoted racists are clearly supposed to be you... then you might be a bigoted racist. Just saying.

[–]AwesomePocketSpider-Man 59ポイント60ポイント  (1子コメント)

"You know comic books have been struggling over the past few years Tucker, because more and more people are going to see movies."

Right off the bat you can tell he doesn't know what he's talking about. And blindly defending the comic equivalent of the KKK? Christ, at least pretend to do your homework.

[–]GodOfAtheismDr. Doom 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Had to chuckle there, comic books are totally struggling what with all the people watching comic book movies.

[–]Johnny_StoogeBucky 75ポイント76ポイント  (8子コメント)

He's not. Nick Spencer's as white as Scott Snyder. Which is as white as I am.

So like, really white.

[–]NovaPrime15Spider-Man 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

So neon white? I'm neon white

[–]Wing_Nut74 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

it actually fades into pale blue

[–]AxiusSerranus 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

In the right light, I'm transparent.

[–]fungoid_sorcerorCerebus 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so pale my skin is a prism.

[–]Johnny_StoogeBucky 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, white like it's not enough to just get mayonnaise with hot chips. It has to be aioli.

So white you still think the Dougie is hip.

[–]ActualButtColossus 17ポイント18ポイント  (13子コメント)

No, but he's writing the black captain America, so racists assume it was his idea I guess. Meanwhile, marvel editorial made the call to make Sam Wilson cap ages ago, before spencer had any connection to the character.

tl;dr Racists are stupid. Obvs.

[–]questions575 22ポイント23ポイント  (12子コメント)

I just read the new Captain America issue. The problem that Spencer's critics are having is NOT that Captain America is black, it is that in this new issue Sam is taking on ultra-conservatives and is expressing liberal viewpoints. Basically, Spencer's critics think the conservatives - particularly those conservatives that take a hardline on immigration - are being demonised in this issue.

[–]JangoSkyJohn Stewart 13ポイント14ポイント  (10子コメント)

While you're right about their argument, they did scoff at Sam being Cap, calling it a "PR stunt"

[–]lordtyp0 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

To be fair: every time a character is shuffled, its a PR stunt.

[–]JangoSkyJohn Stewart 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is true. I took it a little personally as a black guy.

[–]lordtyp0 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Understood. I think they could have chosen better than Wilson (who's only real power was talking to birds and the wingsuit.)

But, this sort of thing has always been discussed in the Cap story lines. As others mentioned the shield is about the ideal America. Though I've always interpreted him as representing the ideal human. Which, Wilson makes a better cap than Bucky in that regards.

Next cap movie has a lot of people wondering who will carry the shield. Seems like they will go the Bucky route first though.

[–]JangoSkyJohn Stewart 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

See, I think Sam as Cap has better story potential in the long run. Personally I don't know if general audiences would understand Bucky becoming Cap unless they do a serious turnaround in Civil War. The MCU's public perception has Falcon already established as Cap's partner while Winter Soldier was an assassin shooting up DC. Would they really suddenly accept Captain America as a sleeper agent? Unless they keep his identity hidden or something

[–]ActualButtColossus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah. I haven't read the issue yet. I just assumed it was the race thing.

Racists are still dumb though, right? Being that they don't understand that fictional fucking characters are allowed to express an opinion that might not jive with their own.

[–]BlueBlazerIrregularLuthor Strode 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because shitty people don't like being publicly reminded they are shitty people.

[–]GoxBoxSocksKyle Rayner 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are people out there that really hate birds.

[–]zeekarDr. Strange 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mammals vs birds... long-standing class warfare.

[–]HaveaManhattanJoker 39ポイント40ポイント  (23子コメント)

Complexly put - Captain Falcon went "partisan" according to right-wingers. And it didn't work out well for him in the comics, public-opinion wise. Beyond that, a recent or the most recent issue has him fighting basically a parody of those right-wing nutters that "guard" our border with Mexico.

[–]wickedsteve 42ポイント43ポイント  (18子コメント)

LOL Americans against immigration and immigrants. You can't get any more obtuse than that.

[–]hibryd 52ポイント53ポイント  (12子コメント)

No, see, Ann Coulter explained it:

I’m descended from settlers, not immigrants.

[–]thehemanchroniclesSquirrel Girl 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pretty sure settlers is the word for immigrants who slaughter the natives of the land they immigrated to.

[–]suss2it 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had to laugh at that, but I do appreciate Coulter bringing up Raven-Symone's own ignorance.

[–]AmberDuke05Zero Year Batman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fox News made a story about Captain America fighting for immigrants.

[–]DantePDInvincible 231ポイント232ポイント  (12子コメント)

Fox.....when you think the murderous white supremacist characters are referencing you....what does that say about you?

[–]Soranos_71 69ポイント70ポイント  (2子コメント)

They prefer when Cap sticks to fighting Nazis you know evil white supremacists....

[–]OmegamanthethirdMysterio 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair. They could argue that they're being portrayed as evil, murderous, white supremacists because of their views. However they instead defended the evil, murderous, white supremacists.

[–]MulciberTenebrasSpidey 2099 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

About the same as how Rush Limbaugh, Bill Maher, and Alex Jones are so deathly afraid of those evil Muslims... that they've openly declared war on a 14yr brown-skinned boy from Texas, just to prove that he's a threat.

[–]weirdmountainKlarion 129ポイント130ポイント  (7子コメント)

The Serpents are a fictional analogue for the KKK and other hate groups. That report was the televisual equivalent of clickbait, but for racist ire. Dummmmmmb.

[–]do_i_even_liftEnds of the Earth Spider-Man 36ポイント37ポイント  (3子コメント)

So when Daredevil goes against the Serpents it's fine, but when it's Captain freaking America it's a problem?!? Race be damned, he's wearing the damned star and shield, this is what he does.

[–]weirdmountainKlarion 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Amen to that. (And I couldn't remember what comic is recently seen the Serpents in. Thank you. I could picture the artwork, but the character/title were just out of my mind's reach)

[–]do_i_even_liftEnds of the Earth Spider-Man 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I forget the exact issue, but I remember it being in the last trade of the first arc by Waid, IIRC. Freakin' loved that run, but I need to catch up on arc 2 :/

[–]XerobullJuggernaut 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

The entire show is clickbait; two tubby conservatives bracketing a pretty blonde lady.

[–]soulbreaker1418 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

even more than that, the real problem is the distance between the KKK and modern republican party is so small that they can´t attack them anymore, and this show it clearly

[–]Soranos_71 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

When Sam Wilson became Cap and we got the new Thor the first issues made it clear that the writers already predicted the typical "outrage" from the social media crowd. Both titles threw some jabs at them, I almost think there is a desired Streisand effect and companies play the groups that are so easily faux outraged that probably are not even customers.

It's almost guaranteed there will be hundreds of "customers" who claim they will never buy their product again.

[–]senfoodMantis 111ポイント112ポイント  (23子コメント)

Dude, Spencer's Captain America is fantastic. Easily the best of All-New Marvel's first issues so far and it offers an incredibly poignant and timely message. Fox News, once again, shows just how ignorant they are by not bothering to mention the fact that the Sons of the Serpent were threatening to kill unarmed immigrants, mostly women and children, who had stopped for water in the middle of the desert.

[–]bittercupojoeCaptain America 61ポイント62ポイント  (11子コメント)

Okay, real talk: this has the potential to be the best Cap run since at least Brubaker, and the first to really get to the core of the character (both of the symbol Captain America and of the man wearing the costume, and how those intersect) since The Captain storyline back in the late 80s. We're only one book in, of course, and this assumes it keeps up this level of storytelling, which is far from certain, but one can hope.

I mention The Captain because it's treading some similar ground, albeit in different ways. In that storyline, Steve Rogers was on the outs with SHIELD for reasons and was being pressured to give up the Captain America role because of a PR issue, and also because there was a conspiracy within the government; but that's neither here nor there. That latter bit was kind of standard superhero stuff for the time. The main theme that ran through the story was about standing up for what was right, even as those he thought were allies turned against him. It was a very basic stripping down of what Captain America stands for, because ultimately he stands for the people, even when their government turns against him; hell, even when a lot of the people turn against him.

Even outside of the main theme of the story, there are a lot of nods to that fairly classic period: the return of D-Man as a part of Cap's support team (and the return of an independent support team in general), a lack of resources forcing personal resourcefulness, a hotline for regular folks to report issues to Cap and his team to look into, clashing with a right wing group that tries to enforce their will on others over an issue of the day (the Sons here about immigration, the Watchdogs over issues of morality, both with heavy undertones of racism brought into sharper focus by having Sam in the costume), and on and on.

Every 10 to 15 years, the main Cap comic tries to tell a story about Cap turning against or being turned against by the government, and most of them are noble failures. Sometimes you get something great like The Captain, sometimes the more muddled stuff around Civil War or the kind of laughable Nomad period. I was not a big fan of FalCap at first, both because I didn't like it from a conceptual standpoint (becoming Cap didn't feel like Sam "graduating to the big leagues" as much as him losing his own identity) and an execution standpoint (the first year of FalCap-related stories seemed to be casting around trying to figure out what it wanted to say). But this first issue has completely got me on board, if Spencer keeps going down this road.

[–]kulganCaptain America 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]dimentexDeadpool 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

As muddled as Civil War was, it has, in my opinion, the ultimate "stand up for what you believe in" speech Cap gives to Spidey.

That made me want to carry his lunchbox too.

[–]bittercupojoeCaptain America 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

I actually kind of hated that speech, because it misses what's great about Cap, and what is one of his core themes: the country needs to change in order to better itself. The idea of planting one's feet and saying "I'm right and that's what matters" is so antithetical to the previous portrayals of Cap, and of the way that America needs to function as a country, that it really rings hollow to me. It's the statement of the fanatic, not of the person who tries to see everyone's side in order to find the truth.

[–]emdeemcdCaptain America 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I always assumed the speech was meant to sound stubborn, so when Steve realized at the end that he was wrong he'd have a nice character arc.

[–]bittercupojoeCaptain America 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would kind of accept that if it A) was actually in the main book and wasn't in JMS's "The SHRA Is Stupid Variety Hour" over in ASM and B) if it wasn't supposed to be a heroic speech that it was taken by basically everyone as. It was pretty clearly intended to be about the writer's take on Civil War, especially when viewed in the context of pro-McCarthy Hearings Reed Richards and a few other things by the same writer, rather than something that actually made sense for the character to say. JMS is/was really bad about using characters as mouthpieces that will be the most effective for his ideas, instead of using characters for whom those ideas would be appropriate. Like, I could totally see someone like USAgent saying this. But not Steve Rogers.

[–]UGSchoolboyUltimate Spider-Man 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah the problem is is that people hold Captain America (the title) to this weird standard of "oh he's captain america so he stands for my shitty conservative views"

It's Spencer's first issue (and probably one of my favorite new titles this month) so I doubt this petition is all that necessary, but still I'd like to at least share my support for this story and how it follows.

[–]ImProbablyGonnaRunOu 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course it's not necessary. No one is gonna kill this guy and I doubt a petition would stop anyone from doing so anyway

[–]Clint_Barton_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly what I was thinking. It wasn't so much their ideologies, but they way they were going about them that was why the Sons of the Serpent needed to be stopped.

[–]BellyButtonLaserBeamDarkseid 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spencer's issue was easily my favorite of the All-New Marvel debuts so far. I wasn't really a fan of Remender's run with Wilson, but Spencer really impressed me. Fuck Fox News, and I hope this whole thing just inspires him more to write the stories he wants to write. These are the same people who had a panic attack over Miles, and it's clear nothing's changed.

[–]UGSchoolboyUltimate Spider-Man 52ポイント53ポイント  (14子コメント)

I feel like if someone on Fox actually read comics or watched The Winter Soldier they'd kind of get a feel for the fact that Captain America was never meant to stay in the "punch hitler in the face" phase.

But that would imply Fox would actually do research once in their lives.

[–]Soranos_71 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

they are catering to the crowds who have some old idea of what their comic book characters used to be that probably was more nostalgia than reality.

[–]UGSchoolboyUltimate Spider-Man 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think it's less than that actually, as there have been changes to other characters that I've noted (Thor, Spider-Man etc.) that haven't gotten this sort of vitriol. I mean sure, there's anger that a character people have known since birth is different but it's met more with amusement or confusion by the media as a whole. Captain America, on the other hand, is a character who has America in his name and of course this means that the American news cycle will do the most to try and state that this character should represent what America means to them.

Like you could see that when Cap died in comics as well, where it was aired on CNN and Fox as a huge national tragedy even though he's a comic book character, but no sort of commotion when Bucky took the mantle or not even as much commotion when Sam originally took the mantle as well. But without even checking the history of the villains and why they would be in that position (or in fact knowing the history and being offended that they're being compared to them), people are way up in arms to the point where they're sending death threats? And Fox is fanning the flames? That goes way beyond just messing with people's childhood.

[–]Soranos_71 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the age of internet 24x7 access (tablets, phones, computers) has made posting outrage anywhere and everywhere so easy.

Back in the day outrage was probably contained to the letters page at the back of the comic :)

[–]BluesuiterCyclops 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dunno I remember a bunch of shit fox was spouting when miles was introduced. Not saying they were angry, but saying stuff like affirmative action has gone too far, why do we need a black spider man etc. They were trying to impress upon their readers that miles was the new defacto and that parker was gone forever, which we all know wasn't the case but it helped support their bs outrage.

[–]njgreenwood 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. Comics used to be more violent in ways, look back at all those early EC comics. God damn Wertham, we're just seeing a modern day version of him with and McCarthy with Fox and the right.

[–]GnivilNamor 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would argue he still is. You have to bear in mind that at the time that was published war was still undeclared and there were huge numbers of fascist/Nazi sympathisers in the US, that image was incredibly controversial at the time it was published. I mean fuck look how much controversy The Interview got and pretty much everyone in the US doesn't like Kim Jong Un, imagine how much more controversy there'd be if a good chunk of the US supported his government and wanted a similar style in the US.

[–]UGSchoolboyUltimate Spider-Man 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I do understand that but in hindsight Fox and most people agree that hitting hitler is a good move. Same thing with the Serpents in the first place, with them being more based around the kkk. I'd bet that that was controversial at the time as well.

What I'm trying to say is that Captain America is always best when it's ahead of its time in terms of what's right. The controversy aside at the time, most of the enemies and issues Captain America has tackled have been controversial at the time (Cap quitting for a more out there example) but also have been classics that have defined the character. And props to Nick Spencer for recognizing that and not feeling deterred by the pressure.

[–]AardvarkinaviatorsBatman Beyond 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have to slightly disagree, while I do think Captain America needs to tackle current issues, he should also always be in a position to punch a nazi (or modern America white supremacist) in the face, that's what I love most about him!

[–]the_nice_nerd 65ポイント66ポイント  (12子コメント)

Captain America is supposed to represent heroism, no matter what he looks like. It doesn't even to be a he, to be honest. It makes me sad to see people going against Cap just because they made him different. We all know he's going to be back to white sooner or later, so everyone should stop complaining.

[–]Kinno 41ポイント42ポイント  (11子コメント)

Caps a Hispanic-looking girl in Spider-Gwen, not to mention she's a (different) Hispanic-looking girl in Secret Wars 2099 and the new Spider-Man 2099

[–]ShinCoalThe Ranger 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

And in Ultron Forever shes the daughter of Cage/Jessica.

[–]halfAccurateChangEarth-Pig Born 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit. That's a tough Cap.

[–]hussm 60ポイント61ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's uncalled for. Tough luck if you dislike someones political views. That's the beauty of freedom of expression. Fully support Nick Spencer on this.

[–]IncubatingCaptain America 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was on the fence about this title, but its worth pulling through this at least to see how things go, imo.

[–]jessekdark age of comics survivor 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

From what I've seen, most of the outrage is from people who weren't buying comic books to begin with.

[–]JimmySnuffRorschach 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Keep politics out of comic books" - fuck off. Keep up the good work Nick!

[–]Dogcopter 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Keep politics out of comic books! Have Captain America punch some brown people!"

[–]bigchillrobBlue Beetle 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was Captain America's own book that Nixon was revealed to be the Secret Empire's Number One and killed himself. Comics have BEEN political for YEARS!

[–]bigchillrobBlue Beetle 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

How dare black Captain America act like white Captain America.

[–]biggjoe4u2 42ポイント43ポイント  (23子コメント)

Remember the uproar recently when the new Annie movie came out and she was black instead of white? Racism is still alive and well people. This guy has my support.

[–]zeekarDr. Strange 16ポイント17ポイント  (19子コメント)

Racism is still alive and well people.

Uhm, duh? Are there people who think otherwise? Are any of them not white?

[–]biggjoe4u2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You would not believe how many people online think that way. I'm a member of a few forums that have general discussion groups. And when racism is brought up, you wouldn't believe how many think it's overblown by the media. Or it's a black problem because they never see any signs of racism.

And the one that really gets me is when they say that race relations is worse now because of Obama. They say he's always blaming race problems on racism.

[–]steampunkphreakDeadpool 14ポイント15ポイント  (18子コメント)

I don't read his series but I didn't think people would still be so mad about a character. I hope he keeps going.

[–]BoomationRed Hood 9ポイント10ポイント  (14子コメント)

Back before the Marvel New 52, they started up All-New Captain America with Sam Wilson, and when it first started, I enjoyed it. However, as the series went on, it wasn't Sam Wilson being Cap that pissed me off, it was the story, it became an utter clusterfuck, so I stopped reading it. I actually like Sam Wilson as Captain America, it's just his series was kind of bad IMO.

[–]DantePDInvincible 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

You should check out the new book. It's a completely different writer.

[–]BoomationRed Hood 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm already reading too many comics at the moment and I had to cut back. The next new Marvel book I'm going to check out is Karnak.

[–]GnivilNamor 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not really about the character, it's clearly more the story that's being told they don't like.

[–]robotgermanHellboy 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think this warrants a re-read of The Nightly News for me.

[–]waltorrYorick Brown 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of those comics that becomes more relevant every year.

[–]Batsy22Darkseid 44ポイント45ポイント  (40子コメント)

It's a scary time in America. The right is getting more insane every day. You know it's a problem when apparently Cap stopping a white supremacist group that kills unarmed undocumented immigrants is "too liberal"

[–]DaShazamJamie Madrox 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too be fair you know none of these people actually read the comic. They're mostly just believing everything the news (or at least their particular brand of "trusted news") tells them to do.

Acting hatefully towards something you don't fully understand is a long running human tradition- not just american.

[–]hussm 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let's hope Nick doesn't tone it down in future issues because of this. Going by his twitter though, it doesn't seem like he will.

[–]Jay_R_KayBatman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like it only emboldened him to do more.

[–]Deathfalcon182Grant Morrison 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll definitely read this series. I love when comics tackle social and political issues directly. It's something that has been from big 2 for a long while. DC did it recently in Batman, Green Arrow and Action Comics (although pak dropped the ball on that) and seems like it'll be heavily tackled in DK3. Good of Marvel to allow Spencer to do this in Cap.

[–]KlutchAtStrawsGrendel Prime 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tucker Carlson described the Sons of the Serpent as group of Americans who have misgivings about immigration as opposed to the violent, masked, racist group they are clearly meant to be.

This tells us quite a lot about Tucker Carlson.

[–]ProfThadBachDoctor Druid 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would like to see some sources for your assertions.

EDIT-I stand corrected. My god the nutjobs have flooded the Marvel facebook page.

[–]klapauciusJohn Constantine 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Facebook comments on big company pages like Marvel's can make YouTube comment sections seem like a bastion of calm and informative discourse.

[–]TheHardRhymer 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fox News is gonna love the Black Panther! Coates

[–]_DeadPoolJr_Moon Knight 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

He existed a year or so before that black power group formed though.

[–]bittercupojoeCaptain America 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but it's Fox. They're not going to let little things like facts get in the way.

[–]DantePDInvincible 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I promise, they won't even slightly care about that fact. This is the same political movement that believed that Bane being in Dark Knight Rises was a shot at Romney/Bain Capital.

[–]eskimo_brosLuke Cage 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh sweet baby Jesus. I'll be pulling up a chair and popping some popcorn if they decide to report on that.

[–]vivvavDeadmod[M] 37ポイント38ポイント  (26子コメント)

To the person who reported this and gave no reason.

Get out. Fuck off. Never come back. This is why I hate anonymous reporting. You're a piece of shit.

[–]eskimo_brosLuke Cage 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL Captain America defending immigrants from a murderous analogue to the KKK=Nick Spencer unfairly mocking conservatives. I sure am glad that Fox News was here to tell me, or I might have thought Spencer was just justifiably targeting violent, bigoted fringe groups.

[–]bengravenSpider Jeruselem 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fox is going to have fun with the cover where Sam kisses blonde female Thor.

[–]ceije1010 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Besides the political overtones, which has been a Marvel go to for a very long time. Anyone else notice the nice throwback to Cobra from the GI Joe comics that Marvel did in the early 80's I think it was. If I remember correctly Marvel created Cobra.

[–]plagues138 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I laugh every time I see a change.org post on Reddit.

[–]Ronocm13Jamie Madrox 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is extremely disappointing. I think Spencer's Cap is one of the best new books that debuted.

[–]lreyna 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The irony of all this is that Fox News is doing what the comic is commenting on: fear mongering based on change of status quo.

[–]marcohtxBlack Panther 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

When most of the outrage is from people who have no idea what they are talking about, and haven't bought or read a comic in decades, then who gives a shit. I just find it laughable that they identified with a fictional terrorist organization.

[–]iwasinmybunk 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

some context would be helpful, like why he is receiving death threats. the petition is similarly devoid of any information. I can figure it out eventually from reading the comments or from googling it. but it would have been helpful for OP to provide the information or at least link it. as it stands all I hear is why he's a jackass writer. and I don't know enough to counter that. other than the fact that death threats are never an appropriate response to someone/something you dislike.

[–]Zand_KilchProfessor Pyg 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guess bc the Sons were wanting to stop immigrants from.crossing the border as part of their racist regime in Cap

All the right wing nuts only thought this was new when the Sons were racist since 1960s

[–]Reachforthesky2012X-Force Deadpool 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure Nick Spencer is really sad about losing his core demographic of 40-something conservatives.

[–]Johnny_StoogeBucky 4ポイント5ポイント  (16子コメント)

Do you have any links? Not that I don't believe you. It's the easiest thing in the world to believe that someone sent someone else a death threat on the internet.

I'd just like to see where this is coming from.

[–]DantePDInvincible 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

Go check out Marvel's official Facebook page. It's been flooded.