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[–]-Mockingbird 66ポイント67ポイント  (14子コメント)

Did anyone here read the article? This is from SOUTH AFRICA, not the United States.

[–]alienbeast 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

I noticed that it said South Africa, but does it matter? Even in the states, shit like this does not happen every day. Its pretty damn tragic, and sick. But two words come to mind.

Carry Conceal, something tells me if gangs are roaming around, gun control is not a big issue there.

[–]Frendly231 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

South Africa has the legacy of apartheid and is hilariously corrupt. Also they have huge immigrant/refugee populations; District 9 was made as a sci-fi commentary on how they're treated (not well).

Bad shit happens if you have a large population of people with no hope for a better future.

Also why SA produces hilarious shit like their Super Hummer, flamethrowers that can be attached to your car and other security products!

[–]RollerRagerMD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They say necessity is the mother of invention. Recent inventions from South Africa include semiautomatic shotguns, anti-rape condoms, and anti-carjacking flamethrowers.

What the hell is going on there? You expect this in a place like Somalia or Syria, not a kinda-developed former nuclear weapon state.

[–]RespiratoryTherapist 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something out of a horror film

[–]compoote_doode 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

UPDATE RHODES PARK : BODIES OF BOTH MALES THAT WERE MURDERED HAVE BEEN FOUND AND REMOVED FROM WATER. DETAILS TOO GRUESOME. INCIDENT CLOSED.

Incident Closed?

[–]Handsome_Hunk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I presume they mean incident is closed insofar as the dudes tasked with finding the bodies are concerned.

[–]royalution 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

the shit that happens in the world never ceases to amaze me. one day you see X happened and your like shit... what is the world coming to then 3 days later Y happens and it blows your mind that is was actually more disgusting than X...

Sad state of affairs in the world.

[–]goldishblue [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And the worst thing is, one of those things could happen to you.

[–]royalution [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

nah im a american and carry a gun... lol just kidding i'm Canadian.

but really could happen to anyone, albeit a smaller chance so crazy people could eat me tomorrow. Worlds fucked,

[–]live_action_yiyiyi 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

South Africa is on its way to becoming the next Zimbabwe. It's open season on whites and the racist ANC only adds fuel to the flames.

[–]lumloon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

AFAIK the groups aren't focused on whites. No they're focused on Zimbabweans (or other black foreigners) and South Asians.

[–]Al_Cohol3 13ポイント14ポイント  (21子コメント)

I've heard there have been a lot of black on white attacks there over the last few years? could this be related? or is it Gang shit?

[–]WirelessRage 22ポイント23ポイント  (18子コメント)

Crime in South Africa is insane. Your average house house in SA looks like a compound compared to a US house. Houses HAVE to have a wall around them or people will try to break in to your house. Even with 10 foot walls people climb them to break in.

Imagine the worst parts of Detroit(crime wise), now imagine an entire country like that. That is SA in a nutshell.

[–]IronyElSupremo 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Poverty leading to gangs with one of the worse inequality stats in the world, though South Africa has more economic prowess than the rest of Africa (leading to an illegal immigrantion, ...iirc). Lots of "private security contractors" guarding middle - upper class walled enclaves. Seems like a lot of sa-born natives and immigrants are economically frustrated even as more blacks join the middle and even upper classes.

Add: looking at the economic geography, it's very arid (only 13% of land arable- so much for land distribution), reliant on mineral extraction by multinationals, but great for tourists.

[–]epik 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem with south africa is that the colonialists didn't kill enough of the natives and round up the remaining on specific isolated areas of land where they can remain with access to some social programs.

Like the good ol' U.S.

[–]ratamack -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

And people ask me why I don't leave the country.

[–]RollerRagerMD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just don't visit countries with rampant crime problems dude.

[–]LorenzoFirepower 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes because this is what the whole of abroad is like and this could never happen in your country.

[–]Bo-Bama -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

Prime example as to why people in every country should be able to carry guns if I was put into this situation that shit never would have happened and this article would have been about some thing very different :)

[–]stillclub [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's why the country with the most guns has no crime! Oh wait

[–]anthonycumiaisapaedo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

if I was put into this situation that shit never would have happened

You can take down 12 people with 6 bullets?

[–]cdnincali -4ポイント-3ポイント  (9子コメント)

If everyone has guns, then no one has guns.

[–]Bo-Bama 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you have a weapon you have the ability to defend yourself more efficiently so to speak and if you're in a situation where five guys attack you rape your wife and then try to drowned your ass a gun would most definitely make all the difference in the world.

[–]cdnincali -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Five guys with guns vs. husband and wife with guns, that's +3 guns to the group. Guns don't help here unless the five bad guys forget their guns.

[–]Kamen-Rider -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

So what would be stopping 5 guys with guns coming up to you versus you with the 1? It doesn't solve the problem only escalate it further.

[–]Private_Oblivious 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your point is valid that 1 guy with a gun wouldn't likely stop 5 guys with guns.....but you can't really escalate it further than beaten and drowned.

[–]Kamen-Rider 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would increase the body count I imagine

[–]Stembolt_Sealer 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I get what you are saying, and its kind of true. But not really. Humor me briefly.

Take two people.

  1. 5'3" male, 125 lbs
  2. 6'4" male, 280 lbs

Without Guns


Person 1 wants to rob person 2, most probable outcome? Failure.

Person 2 wants to rob person 1, most probable outcome? Success.


With Guns


Person 1 wants to rob person 2, most probable outcome? Undetermined.

Person 2 wants to rob person 1, most probable outcome? Undetermined.


That is the issue I take with this argument.

You said, "if everyone has guns then no one has guns" and inferred it as a negative statement, but that statement implies equality. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for a world where everyone has guns. What I am asking is, "Is it right that age, gender, genetics, or a disability should force you to leave yourself at the mercy of society?"

If everyone has the option to uptake a means of defense then Person 2 cannot infringe with impunity, there is a likelihood of consequence even from the unsuspecting frail elderly man.

You may have faith in society. You'll never be attacked by a gang of men, you'll never be a victim of random violence, your house will never be broken into, you will always have a way to escape. Yet if you spend one hour on Google, you will see that random violence is a real way your life could end. You may be fine with that, but those of us who prefer to be prepared for every situation, the ones with snow tires, and cans of food in the basement, regularly inspected fire extinguishers in our house, a carbon monoxide alarm, a well-stocked first aide kit, renter's insurance, and many of the other amenities of life that would be considered normal. Well, we know that there is a chance that we may encounter a mentally unstable individual one day, on the streets, in our house, or going about our day and for all those precautions we take in those other facets of life, it seems ridiculous that city dwellers (apologies for blanket term, no offense intended but there is often an urban/rural distinction of the two sides) who feel uncomfortable around guns wish to dictate and roll back our preparedness for the unpredictable.

Maybe I've added some considerations to your next argument, perhaps not. But even if you've held onto your convictions then perhaps your argument will be bolstered by your new insights into those who support responsible gun ownership and never wish to fire their weapon at anything living aside for sustenance.

[–]cdnincali [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

  • Without guns example 1 - person 1 doesn't even bother to rob person 2 no one harmed.

  • Without guns example 2 - person 1 is quick as Mercury and outruns ponderously fat person 2 no one harmed, well maybe #2 has a heart attack.

With Guns - undetermined, but we can envision a gun battle so at least one or both people wounded or killed.

[–]akai_ferret 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not true.

If everyone has guns, everyone has guns ... and that puts them on equal footing.

The disparity of power is gone because everyone has the same power.

"God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal."

[–]cdnincali [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Somehow, in your alternate reality, everyone has the same reaction time and ability with a gun. Acting first is given an even larger advantage now, if attacked by someone with a gun you expect those surprised to be able to turn things around?

"aphorisms, not matter how cute, don't make facts."

[–]SouthAfricaTruth -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey....stupid people.

If you don't know South Africa, stop making what you think may be intelligent remarks! I cannot believe the shit you are advocating....and guess what? I have lived in the USA, and I have been to 48 States in my own time, so I know a shit-load more about your beautiful country than you could even imagine about mine.

Please stop talking bullshit, and try to disguise them as facts....you are so way off base.

Paul Born and raised in South Africa, living here while you talk shit.

[–]the_quick -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Blade Runner can't be out solving crimes if you have him locked up

[–]zvoidx -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So...of all the things to do on a Saturday night this was the plan, eh?