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Gang attacks two couples rapes wife, drowns husbands (news24.com)
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[–]-Mockingbird 66ポイント67ポイント68ポイント 4時間前 (14子コメント)
Did anyone here read the article? This is from SOUTH AFRICA, not the United States.
[–]alienbeast 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 2時間前 (5子コメント)
I noticed that it said South Africa, but does it matter? Even in the states, shit like this does not happen every day. Its pretty damn tragic, and sick. But two words come to mind.
Carry Conceal, something tells me if gangs are roaming around, gun control is not a big issue there.
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[–]ento_throwaway [スコア非表示] 36分前 (0子コメント)
No, it's not. /r/usanews is for US news.
[–]Frendly231 -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
South Africa has the legacy of apartheid and is hilariously corrupt. Also they have huge immigrant/refugee populations; District 9 was made as a sci-fi commentary on how they're treated (not well).
Bad shit happens if you have a large population of people with no hope for a better future.
Also why SA produces hilarious shit like their Super Hummer, flamethrowers that can be attached to your car and other security products!
[–]RollerRagerMD [スコア非表示] 45分前 (0子コメント)
They say necessity is the mother of invention. Recent inventions from South Africa include semiautomatic shotguns, anti-rape condoms, and anti-carjacking flamethrowers.
What the hell is going on there? You expect this in a place like Somalia or Syria, not a kinda-developed former nuclear weapon state.
[+]Captain_Quinn スコアが基準値未満のコメント-16ポイント-15ポイント-14ポイント 4時間前* (7子コメント)
The article says "Johannesburg" only without the country and most people on Reddit assume USA since it's written in English.
[–]scuzzlebutt07 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Guarantee there is a town called Johannesburg somewhere in the US.
[–]chronus13 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannesburg,_California
[–]Captain_Quinn 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Population 172, which means that roughly 10% of the population is mentioned in this article.
[–]smartredditor 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
To be fair, the article says "Johannesburg" only without the country and most people on Reddit assume USA since it's written in English.
The AP style guide does not call for indicating the country after "Johannesburg" because there is no major city with the same name anywhere outside of the one in South Africa. It's like London or Seoul.
[–]GreenSage45 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Short version: people are idiots but don't know it.
[–]RespiratoryTherapist 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Something out of a horror film
[–]compoote_doode 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
UPDATE RHODES PARK : BODIES OF BOTH MALES THAT WERE MURDERED HAVE BEEN FOUND AND REMOVED FROM WATER. DETAILS TOO GRUESOME. INCIDENT CLOSED.
Incident Closed?
[–]Handsome_Hunk 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I presume they mean incident is closed insofar as the dudes tasked with finding the bodies are concerned.
[–]royalution 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
the shit that happens in the world never ceases to amaze me. one day you see X happened and your like shit... what is the world coming to then 3 days later Y happens and it blows your mind that is was actually more disgusting than X...
Sad state of affairs in the world.
[–]goldishblue [スコア非表示] 47分前 (1子コメント)
And the worst thing is, one of those things could happen to you.
[–]royalution [スコア非表示] 16分前 (0子コメント)
nah im a american and carry a gun... lol just kidding i'm Canadian.
but really could happen to anyone, albeit a smaller chance so crazy people could eat me tomorrow. Worlds fucked,
[–]live_action_yiyiyi 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
South Africa is on its way to becoming the next Zimbabwe. It's open season on whites and the racist ANC only adds fuel to the flames.
[–]lumloon 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
AFAIK the groups aren't focused on whites. No they're focused on Zimbabweans (or other black foreigners) and South Asians.
[–]Al_Cohol3 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 3時間前 (21子コメント)
I've heard there have been a lot of black on white attacks there over the last few years? could this be related? or is it Gang shit?
[–]WirelessRage 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 2時間前 (18子コメント)
Crime in South Africa is insane. Your average house house in SA looks like a compound compared to a US house. Houses HAVE to have a wall around them or people will try to break in to your house. Even with 10 foot walls people climb them to break in.
Imagine the worst parts of Detroit(crime wise), now imagine an entire country like that. That is SA in a nutshell.
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[–]stillclub [スコア非表示] 46分前 (1子コメント)
Lol how the fuck are you justifying apartheid
[+]jimargh スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 1時間前 (8子コメント)
can you really blame wanting apartheid?
I think I found the closet racist
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And you think all black people are like that?
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[+]SPIDERMONN スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 1時間前* (3子コメント)
Well that is a problem largely caused by colonisation and slavery. If you say that black people have a problem with law and order, perhaps it might be accurate to say that white people have a problem with exploiting poor nations and minorities.
Edit: I see /r/stormfront has found this thread.
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[–]SPIDERMONN [スコア非表示] 45分前 (1子コメント)
Well Europeans destroyed many societies in Africa and replaced them with their own, and then just waltzed right out after World War 2 without fixing their mess, so yes they do share a large responsibility for the problems in Africa today.
[–]OdinSQL [スコア非表示] 30分前 (0子コメント)
African's did and still do enslave each other. Slavery wasn't a European invention.
[+]themaincop スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 2時間前 (5子コメント)
This is the income inequality end-game pretty much.
[–]WirelessRage 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
There are plenty of countries with worse income inequality than SA and they don't have the same problems with crime.
[–]RollerRagerMD [スコア非表示] 44分前 (0子コメント)
Even in Africa you have plenty of countries that are poorer yet not as insane as SA. Something in the water.
[–]hinduyankee 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
I think you mean ape mentality end game
[–]IronyElSupremo 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 2時間前* (1子コメント)
Poverty leading to gangs with one of the worse inequality stats in the world, though South Africa has more economic prowess than the rest of Africa (leading to an illegal immigrantion, ...iirc). Lots of "private security contractors" guarding middle - upper class walled enclaves. Seems like a lot of sa-born natives and immigrants are economically frustrated even as more blacks join the middle and even upper classes.
Add: looking at the economic geography, it's very arid (only 13% of land arable- so much for land distribution), reliant on mineral extraction by multinationals, but great for tourists.
[–]SouthAfricaTruth [スコア非表示] 54分前 (0子コメント)
proportionately correct
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[–]ps4hero 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
Did you happen to check and see what country this took place in before going off on your tangent?
[–]ToucanDefenseSystem 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
But racism!
[–]New_Slurm 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
One of those things is a societal problem (gang attacks) and one of them is an institutional problem (cop shootings). Cops are supposed to protect and serve so when they kill someone, even if it's a criminal, people might be upset. Random attacks are going to happen because there are and always will be bad people out there. There's nothing to protest, they don't represent anything but their own twisted selves.
[–]Longrodrington 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Well I will say, as others have said, this happened in South Africa.
But essentially, it is minority vs majority. It runs as a better news piece. Mob mentality is a real thing. A lot of our societal problems can be attributed to the news/media. Mass gun violence is at its lowest rate, but this will never be reported.
[–]lumloon 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
A lot of the people bearing the brunt of the mobs are South Asians and black foreigners.
[+]russlleingwithmyself スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I can't help but marvel at how fucking stupid you are. Way to read the article before going on your rant.
[+]alanpro スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11ポイント-10ポイント-9ポイント 7時間前 (71子コメント)
This is why we in America openly carry guns. Bet those two couples wished they had some.
[–]highspeed_lowdrag2 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
More and more people in Jberg are carrying these days
[–]Lionel-Richie 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 4時間前* (36子コメント)
I'm sure one or two guys having a pistol in plain sight on their hips would've stopped the TWELVE PEOPLE who jumped them....
Edit: ah I see I am unreasonable in thinking not everyone is John Wick... My mistake.
[–]j_sholmes -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 3時間前 (8子コメント)
Did you read the part where they had no protection and the wife was raped repeatedly and the husband murdered.
Please describe to me how you are happy with that result. Please describe to me how not having some sort of protection is a good thing when people who want to rape and murder you come by.
[–]Lionel-Richie 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (7子コメント)
I'm not happy with the result. What a stupid thing to say. I'm just saying in this scenario, a gun wouldn't likely have done anything and to say otherwise from your non-life-threatening-chair is disingenuous and meaningless. Action movie fantasies don't help these people.
[–]j_sholmes -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
Yet you say that defending themselves would have been a stupid idea...
Do you really think that these animals would've preyed on people who could've defended themselves? This is not like the movies where you have to kill them all. You shoot one time (or even show a gun) and they flee like the cowardly animals they are.
[–]Lionel-Richie 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
I didn't say that. You're not even reading.
Also you're making so many assumptions, so whatever. They were ambushed in the dark in a park. They didn't come up and stay at a distance and say "hey we're coming to get you."
[–]j_sholmes 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm just saying in this scenario, a gun wouldn't likely have done anything
Your words, not mine.
They were ambushed in the dark in a park.
So not even having the possibility to wrestle a gun out when being ambushed is a good idea? I'm not saying that defending yourself will result in survival...but it definitely improves your chances. I try and put myself in their shoes for a second...I would imagine the pain of watching your wife being raped repeatedly in front of you while you sit their absolutely powerless would be worse than the death they slowly gave him. Now give that same man the great equalizer and you at least have SOMETHING, however small a chance it would've given him...it would still have been something.
[–]jimargh -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
What if the assailants had guns? Could've been why the two husbands surrendered. People can do some pretty bad shit with a gun in their hands.
[–]j_sholmes 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
The reason for having a gun is to protect yourself from people wishing to harm you, so that would be the perfect time to have one. Could the husband have been killed in a shootout...yes. However, you must be missing the part where he was tortured and killed without a gun. Now could he have used his protection to rout the murderers...that would be a possibility as well.
From having and using a gun his chances of survival just improved 50%. How can that be justified as being a bad thing now?
[–]HerpaDerpenstein -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 4時間前 (20子コメント)
Drop the closest two or three, and survival instinct will hopefully scare the others off. All it takes is one person in the group to flee and the rest will likely follow suit. Herd mentality is a strong thing
Your odds are infinitely better with a gun than without, regardless of how many. Are you saying you'd rather throw hands with 12 guys than try and shoot them?
[–]Lionel-Richie 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (17子コメント)
I'm not even sure how you're supposed to even draw a pistol when twelve people ambush you.
It's not like they announced they were coming to get them from across the street then jogged over leisurely.
Real life isn't call of duty.
I'm saying this is just bullshit armchair talk and the gun makes zero difference here except if these people had guns then the rapists would now have two guns for next time. Hooray.
[–]HerpaDerpenstein 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (7子コメント)
It takes about a second to draw a handgun with proper training. If the two people were carrying compact double stack pistols, they would have roughly 30 rounds available in seconds, which is more than enough to drop the nearest two or three guys, hopefully scaring the rest of the attackers off.
I can't find it now, but there's a video of a single guy scaring off ~15 guys armed with machetes and clubs by popping a few guys at close range. It works. Survival instinct is an insanely powerful motivator to flee danger, especially when it's your friends doing the dying.
[–]Lionel-Richie -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
Alright, and now here's your context:
It was night time and they were ambushed in a park.
Also fear is just as powerful as survival instinct and can cause a person to freeze up in a moment like this. If they even had time to freeze. These people could just as likely forget they had a gun once several people grab them from behind that they didn't know were even there a second ago. Pistol doesn't help you there.
Sure, some person may have been able to act cool under threat and manage to hit moving targets, but that is one person's reaction.
My point is that it's a crap shoot (lol) as to whether a gun could even help you here. It's silly to say this would have saved them or it just plays into our mental warrior fantasy to want to go down fighting.
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[–]Lionel-Richie -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
Not all attacks are the same, though. These people were AMBUSHED in the DARK by TWELVE people.
You don't know the following:
-That the victims WERE unarmed -That the attackers WEREN'T armed
If you're jumped by 6x your number in the dark by people with intent to kill/more, a gun in your pistol holster isn't a factor in the equation.
Yes, if they were approaching you and you pulled your gun while they approached, there is a chance to scare them off (IF they're unarmed), but this was not the scenario.
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[–]Lionel-Richie 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
All of which are practiced in a non-life threatening situation.
Again, these people may have had their arms pinned down to their sides before they knew what was happening. Or they could have been at gunpoint.
[–]zendingo -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間前 (8子コメント)
you pull the gun out and shoot it.
you're right that real life is nothing like call of duty, but let's be real i just read about a 6 year old shooting a 3 year old and you're telling me it's impossible to shoot at least 1 of 12 attackers if you're carrying a gun?
is that right?
[–]Lionel-Richie 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 4時間前 (7子コメント)
These people were jumped. The people might not have even had a chance to move their arms. Let alone remove their firearm and turn off the safety
This was at night in a park.
[–]ahapkidoin -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 4時間前 (4子コメント)
Here are several different grips for concealed carry draws with an A zone hit that clock in at 1 second or less: https://youtu.be/032GcTzQpBg?t=415
As for multiple targets, here's the same guy drilling tacks like John Henry driving rail ties: https://youtu.be/BYyxbFn20GE?t=14
Anything is possible with a little practice. Additionally, there are entire lexicons of kinetic mechanics rules for gunfights in extremely close quarters.
No, a gun isn't magic, but if its 12 on 1, I'd much rather have a gun than not.
[–]jimargh 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Anything is possible with a little practice.
Yes with just a little practice anyone can fight off a dozen assailaints in the middle of the night.
[–]Lionel-Richie 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Thank you for videos of trained marksmen using guns in non life threatening scenarios against paper targets.
Your information about pistol grips, et al is useless here. I get it though. I was a boy scout. I enjoyed target shooting, but I know that this stuff doesn't exactly translate to real life. Especially not for non soldiers. These videos are marketing tools.
The human factor is fear, hesitation, survival instinct, elevated heart rate, violent shaking and trembling of the extremities, blurred vision, uncertainty.
These are always dismissed by the armchair Rambos. I get it. You like guns and enjoy having a good knowledge of them. That's fine! Good for you, nothing against it. Education of all types is great.
But please don't project this onto real life scenarios like there's any merit to it.
[–]ahapkidoin -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
There's a lot of merit to it. You might want to head over to /r/dgu and have a look around sometime. Even a small amount of training is often extremely useful.
[–]Lionel-Richie -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
To be clear: I do not doubt the helpfulness of self-defense training.
[–]zendingo 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
exactly, at night in a park.
have you been in a park at night?
sneaking up on people is not easy, especially when there's 12 of you.
it's not like they were lured into quick sand or something.
[–]Lionel-Richie 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I seriously doubt twelve people Scooby-Doo creeped up behind them. A park has plenty of places to ambush someone in. And, no, I don't mean picture twelve guys hiding in a bush.
Also even the tiny Park in my downtown area is poorly lit and full of places to hide. I have no idea what this park is like in Johannesburg but I can't imagine it's great given the city's history of violence.
[–]SpartanNitro1 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Oh yeah, because everyone in the world who owns a gun is John Wayne and can never get ambushed.
[–]seekingtheswan -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Cool, is this what you personally did while your life was being threatened by murderous gang?
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[–]Lionel-Richie -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
My point was against the idea that a gun protects you from this scenario, when realistically it doesn't.
[–]alanpro -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
....Could've stopped 6 of them and make the rest reconsider, though.
[–]Lionel-Richie 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Alright John Wayne.
Yeah bro, he would have done like Neo in the Matrix and gunned all of them down and dodge any bullets. Because life is like Hollywood amirite? XD 420 blazeit dank gunshotz TSM
[–]sinurgy -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 6時間前 (8子コメント)
Yeah not really. Only a very small and attention seeking percentage of Americans openly carry guns. I live in AZ, one of the most gun happy states in the US and I can't even remember the last time I saw someone open carrying (gun shows don't count).
[–]Kaarous 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
I live in AZ
If AZ is anything like southern PA, one in four people is probably packing.
[–]uberares 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
It's more like 70% packing. Source, was just in AZ and talked to locals. Everyone talks about it being safe and feeling comfortable walking anywhere at night, but they all carry guns.
[–]DrJamesRusselMD 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
That's because they conceal carry.
Odds are you encounter multiple people daily who carry - you just don't know it.
[–]SoulSerpent -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 5時間前* (1子コメント)
But /u/sinurgy was responding to OP's statement about open carry specifically.
Edit:
in America openly carry percentage of Americans openly carry guns I saw someone open carrying
in America openly carry
percentage of Americans openly carry guns
I saw someone open carrying
Oh, my bad guys. I guess we were talking about concealed carry.
Edit 2: Why is everyone upvoting /u/DrJamesRusselMD for changing the subject?
[–]SkunkApeForPresident 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Because Reddit is very pro gun. Any negative comment about guns gets downvoted.
[–]alanpro 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
I was a licensed PI in Phoenix for 3 years a long time ago. Yeah, people generally don't open carry down there, but I had to. It was weird though, cops weren't too concerned. But that was before the nuts you're talking about existed.
[–]ArturosDad -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
That's strange. I live in AZ, and just yesterday I saw a man on a motorcycle with a gun on his hip, as well as some 20 year old douchebag hero with one at the grocery store. Sure made me feel safe picking up dish soap.
[–]Sunken_Fruit 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I live in AZ and I'll second that. I occasionally see guys packing a pistol on their hip and it seems somewhat common for guys riding motorcycles to have one.
[+]Sitting_Here_Bored スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Many South African's carry guns. Take your shitty logic elsewhere.
[+]alanpro スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
I am not talking about piece of shit drug runners or cartel members. My "shitty logic" would have allowed them to try and save themselves.
[–]Thomas_Collins -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Showing all your cards only makes you an easier target.
[+]marleau_12 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13ポイント-12ポイント-11ポイント 7時間前 (8子コメント)
Why do we never hear stories about people being shot while trying to commit a crime then?
Geez, you make it sound like Americans just sit on their sofa with their gun ready in case they need to use it.
[–]lext 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 7時間前 (5子コメント)
/r/dgu
Guns are used in self-defense every day.
[–]alanpro 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 7時間前 (2子コメント)
You at least need to Reddit news every day. There's almost always a story about exactly this. Americans don't " sit around with a gun". But it is a hell of a deterrent to would be criminals to know that they can be killed by committing any crime. The lowest crime rate states in America have high gun ownership, and that's a direct reason why.
[+]intoxicuss スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
This isn't even remotely true.
[–]CougarForLife -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
The lowest crime rate states in America have high gun ownership, and that's a direct reason why.
I'm not sure that is entirely accurate. Here's a fairly good source on this exact topic that explores it more in-depth:
"Firearm Ownership and Violent Crime in the U.S. An Ecologic Study" from the American Journal of Public Medicine.
[+]rreeeeeee スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13ポイント-12ポイント-11ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
The vast majority of these are people using guns to defend property, not really defending themselves or saving lives.
[–]lext 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
What are you basing that on? The vast majority of the posts on /r/dgu are not to defend property.
[–]Youareabadperson6 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Every day /u/freeman001 posts 3 or 4 to /r/news. You just have to keep your eyes open. Shooting bad guys generally does not get upvvoted because it's not an outrage.
[–]IronyElSupremo -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 4時間前* (3子コメント)
Another linked article said the gang had at least one gun in this case from South Africa (do not know the situation there).
Hypothetically had the victims had a gun maybe a shootout but hypothetically what if gangs start using silencers?
[–]Nailo65 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Silencers don't work like you think they work.
[–]IronyElSupremo -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 3時間前* (1子コメント)
They probably work just well enough or they wouldn't be an item ... especially in this context with a gated park ready to close.
[–]Nailo65 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Most silencers drop the dB of a gun by 20-40. This will still put it in the range of, if not louder than say.. A riveting gun, or live rock music.
Average dB of common noises
Most handguns are approx. 150dB at their base, shave off 40 and you'll see where it compares.
[–]Dorfidiot -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
This is also why there is no crime in America. LOOOOOL
[–]dueljester -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
This is why we in America openly carry guns.
No we in America openly carry guns because we live under a cloud of media induced fear for the sake of ratings and electing parasites as leader hopefuls.
Incidents like this are absolutely terrible, but in the states their occurrences are dropping (yes I understand this incident was in another country). If we America didn't have the overall stigma for mental health care, and supported poorer communities so that they can actual be rebuilt by the residents we'd hopefully see the media stop screaming about how your neighbor is going to kill you.
Then again though a car can kill me at anytime, so I'm sure to carry my car proof rock with me just in case...
[–]dueljester -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
I've seen some of the stats for it and I agree on paper that guns can / do stop crimes but also cause them. However though, I firmly believe that we wouldn't have the number of crimes that we do if there was a general equal chance of opportunity and positive communities for people to live in. A cycle of violent crimes isn't a sign of a healthy society. Guns don't solve the society issues, they just continue the cycle of violence.
[–]dueljester 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Your absolutely right. Healthy communities, support for mental health, and a generally more supportive society wouldn't do anything to stem violent crimes in the long term.
Everyone needs a gun obviously.
[–]swingmymallet [スコア非表示] 10分前 (0子コメント)
What were you replying to? It got deleted
[–]epik 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
The problem with south africa is that the colonialists didn't kill enough of the natives and round up the remaining on specific isolated areas of land where they can remain with access to some social programs.
Like the good ol' U.S.
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[–]cotycrg 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
It was in Africa, so probably not.
[–]j_sholmes -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Sarcasm my friend.
[–]ratamack -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
And people ask me why I don't leave the country.
[–]RollerRagerMD [スコア非表示] 43分前 (0子コメント)
Just don't visit countries with rampant crime problems dude.
[–]LorenzoFirepower 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Yes because this is what the whole of abroad is like and this could never happen in your country.
[–]Bo-Bama -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (12子コメント)
Prime example as to why people in every country should be able to carry guns if I was put into this situation that shit never would have happened and this article would have been about some thing very different :)
[–]stillclub [スコア非表示] 44分前 (0子コメント)
That's why the country with the most guns has no crime! Oh wait
[–]anthonycumiaisapaedo [スコア非表示] 43分前 (0子コメント)
if I was put into this situation that shit never would have happened
You can take down 12 people with 6 bullets?
[–]cdnincali -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 2時間前 (9子コメント)
If everyone has guns, then no one has guns.
[–]Bo-Bama 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
If you have a weapon you have the ability to defend yourself more efficiently so to speak and if you're in a situation where five guys attack you rape your wife and then try to drowned your ass a gun would most definitely make all the difference in the world.
[–]cdnincali -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Five guys with guns vs. husband and wife with guns, that's +3 guns to the group. Guns don't help here unless the five bad guys forget their guns.
[–]Kamen-Rider -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
So what would be stopping 5 guys with guns coming up to you versus you with the 1? It doesn't solve the problem only escalate it further.
[–]Private_Oblivious 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Your point is valid that 1 guy with a gun wouldn't likely stop 5 guys with guns.....but you can't really escalate it further than beaten and drowned.
[–]Kamen-Rider 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It would increase the body count I imagine
[–]Stembolt_Sealer 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
I get what you are saying, and its kind of true. But not really. Humor me briefly.
Take two people.
Without Guns
Person 1 wants to rob person 2, most probable outcome? Failure.
Person 2 wants to rob person 1, most probable outcome? Success.
With Guns
Person 1 wants to rob person 2, most probable outcome? Undetermined.
Person 2 wants to rob person 1, most probable outcome? Undetermined.
That is the issue I take with this argument.
You said, "if everyone has guns then no one has guns" and inferred it as a negative statement, but that statement implies equality. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for a world where everyone has guns. What I am asking is, "Is it right that age, gender, genetics, or a disability should force you to leave yourself at the mercy of society?"
If everyone has the option to uptake a means of defense then Person 2 cannot infringe with impunity, there is a likelihood of consequence even from the unsuspecting frail elderly man.
You may have faith in society. You'll never be attacked by a gang of men, you'll never be a victim of random violence, your house will never be broken into, you will always have a way to escape. Yet if you spend one hour on Google, you will see that random violence is a real way your life could end. You may be fine with that, but those of us who prefer to be prepared for every situation, the ones with snow tires, and cans of food in the basement, regularly inspected fire extinguishers in our house, a carbon monoxide alarm, a well-stocked first aide kit, renter's insurance, and many of the other amenities of life that would be considered normal. Well, we know that there is a chance that we may encounter a mentally unstable individual one day, on the streets, in our house, or going about our day and for all those precautions we take in those other facets of life, it seems ridiculous that city dwellers (apologies for blanket term, no offense intended but there is often an urban/rural distinction of the two sides) who feel uncomfortable around guns wish to dictate and roll back our preparedness for the unpredictable.
Maybe I've added some considerations to your next argument, perhaps not. But even if you've held onto your convictions then perhaps your argument will be bolstered by your new insights into those who support responsible gun ownership and never wish to fire their weapon at anything living aside for sustenance.
[–]cdnincali [スコア非表示] 51分前 (0子コメント)
Without guns example 1 - person 1 doesn't even bother to rob person 2 no one harmed.
Without guns example 2 - person 1 is quick as Mercury and outruns ponderously fat person 2 no one harmed, well maybe #2 has a heart attack.
With Guns - undetermined, but we can envision a gun battle so at least one or both people wounded or killed.
[–]akai_ferret 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Not true.
If everyone has guns, everyone has guns ... and that puts them on equal footing.
The disparity of power is gone because everyone has the same power.
"God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal."
[–]cdnincali [スコア非表示] 57分前 (0子コメント)
Somehow, in your alternate reality, everyone has the same reaction time and ability with a gun. Acting first is given an even larger advantage now, if attacked by someone with a gun you expect those surprised to be able to turn things around?
"aphorisms, not matter how cute, don't make facts."
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[–]zeromind 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
I couldn't find a citing of race for the victims or the attackers. Could have been all of the same race.
[–]hinduyankee 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
This kind of violence against whites is normal in america
[–]SouthAfricaTruth -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Hey....stupid people.
If you don't know South Africa, stop making what you think may be intelligent remarks! I cannot believe the shit you are advocating....and guess what? I have lived in the USA, and I have been to 48 States in my own time, so I know a shit-load more about your beautiful country than you could even imagine about mine.
Please stop talking bullshit, and try to disguise them as facts....you are so way off base.
Paul Born and raised in South Africa, living here while you talk shit.
[–]yourfavoriteblackguy [スコア非表示] 52分前 (0子コメント)
Hey a real comment. Am I still on reddit?
[–]the_quick -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
Blade Runner can't be out solving crimes if you have him locked up
[–]zvoidx -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
So...of all the things to do on a Saturday night this was the plan, eh?
π Rendered by PID 29252 on app-372 at 2015-10-19 17:32:52.173125+00:00 running a6c296d country code: JP.
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