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Vegetarianism and Atheism (self.atheism)

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[–]yourlycantbsrs 1ポイント2ポイント  (89子コメント)

And do you think eating meat is morally justifiable?

[–]MeeHungLowe 0ポイント1ポイント  (88子コメント)

We are animals & omnivores. Morality has nothing to do with it. If you wish to be a vegan, go for it - eat or don't eat whatever you wish. Claiming moral superiority based on your diet is silly.

[–]lnfinity -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm sure that if someone chose a diet that required enslaving and killing humans you would say it was wrong. Morality has something to do with it.

Many other animals have personalities, interests, and lives of their own that have value independent of what they can provide to us. You already recognize this. If someone chose to beat a stray dog, you would say it was wrong. Why then when it comes to other animals do you suddenly ignore the morality of what is being done to them?

[–]MeeHungLowe -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If dogs tasted like pork, we would be BBQ'n fido. Cannibalism is generally not a species advantage for mammals - we don't reproduce in large enough litters for it to make sense. It does happen in some species, like Chimpanzees, but I think that has more to do with males protecting their own offspring by killing the offspring of other males.

Have you ever lived on a farm? Ever done any animal husbandry or veterinary work with livestock? Ever seen a pack of stray dogs take down and kill a lamb?

[–]yourlycantbsrs 0ポイント1ポイント  (81子コメント)

We are animals & omnivores.

Does that justify killing animals for food when you don't need to?

Morality has nothing to do with it.

Why not?

If you wish to be a vegan, go for it - eat or don't eat whatever you wish. Claiming moral superiority based on your diet is silly.

So causing less harm isn't a superior thing to do?

[–]MeeHungLowe 0ポイント1ポイント  (80子コメント)

Why is killing an animal for food immoral? Do animals not kill each other? Does that make the lion & the tiger immoral? Again, you can choose to be a vegan if you wish. Why is it important to you what anyone else eats?

Does that justify killing animals for food when you don't need to?

So, it is OK for someone stranded in the desert, where edible plants will not grow, to kill animals and eat them to survive? Why would this also not be immoral? When push comes to shove, is the human life more important than the animal life?

How about the domestication of animals? Is that OK with you? Or, was domesticating wolves to become dogs also immoral? How about horses? Is riding a horse immoral?

[–]Strong Atheistburf12345 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is it important to you what anyone else eats?

It's like he enjoys living up to the vegan stereotype

[–]yourlycantbsrs -1ポイント0ポイント  (78子コメント)

Why is killing an animal for food immoral? Do animals not kill each other? Does that make the lion & the tiger immoral? Again, you can choose to be a vegan if you wish. Why is it important to you what anyone else eats?

Animals can't think about moral concepts. That's why they aren't responsible like people are.

It's important what others eat because it causes suffering and damage to the environment that are avoidable

So, it is OK for someone stranded in the desert, where edible plants will not grow, to kill animals and eat them to survive? Why would this also not be immoral? When push comes to shove, is the human life more important than the animal life?

Yes, that's fine.

How about the domestication of animals? Is that OK with you? Or, was domesticating wolves to become dogs also immoral? How about horses? Is riding a horse immoral?

I think that if it's not necessary, causes suffering, and bad for the environment then it should be avoided. It depends on the situation.

[–]Anti-TheistiBear83 1ポイント2ポイント  (76子コメント)

Animals can't think about moral concepts.

Precisely.

Animals lack the capacity to think about moral concepts.

Their brains are not as complex as human brains.

That's why most people find it acceptable to kill them for food.

[–]yourlycantbsrs -2ポイント-1ポイント  (75子コメント)

Appealing to popular opinion ain't gonna get you far.

[–]Anti-TheistiBear83 1ポイント2ポイント  (74子コメント)

For somebody who claims to have taught courses on logic, you sure have trouble understanding how fallacies work.

You mixed up the cause and effect there, professor.

"Killing animals for food is acceptable because most people think so" ≠ "Animals' brains are not as complex as human brains so most people find it acceptable to kill them for food."

I said the latter, not the former.

[–]yourlycantbsrs -1ポイント0ポイント  (73子コメント)

The fact that most people think it's true isn't relevant here, why'd y bring it up?

And I said that animals aren't morally responsible for killing other animal because they can't think about moral concepts. The fact that they can't think about moral concepts doesn't imply it's okay to kill them. Babies can't think about moral concepts. Is it okay to kill babies? No.

[–]Anti-TheistiBear83 0ポイント1ポイント  (67子コメント)

Found your ninja edit...

The fact that they can't think about moral concepts doesn't imply it's okay to kill them. Babies can't think about moral concepts.

What kind of babies are you talking about?

Oh, I see. You meant human babies.

Can humans think about moral concepts? The fact that we're having this conversation would seem to constitute a yes.

Babies are people. Cows and chickens are not.

It is not acceptable to kill babies for food. It is acceptable to kill cows and chickens for food.

This isn't rocket science...

[–]Anti-TheistiBear83 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

The fact that most people think it's true isn't relevant here, why'd y bring it up?

Because it's slightly more accurate than pretending I'm the only one who sees that distinction.

Why was that irrelevant tangent the only thing you chose to respond to?

[–]MeeHungLowe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good luck with your SJW crusade. You might have more luck if the little piggies, moo-moos and lambies weren't so damn tasty.