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Tragedy in Turkey as 'courageous' ex-BBC journalist, 50, is found hanged in airport toilets after missing connecting flight to Irag (dailymail.co.uk)

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[–]the_raucous_one 466ポイント467ポイント  (78子コメント)

Another friend and colleague, Christian Bleuer, also expressed his doubts on Twitter.

Ge wrote: 'Toughest woman u could meet. Turkish police say she committed suicide cuz she missed her flight?'

He added: 'I'm not into conspiracies, but if the Turks say a security camera at Istanbul-Ataturk was "malfunctioning," then Jacky Sutton was murdered.'

Ms Sutton is believed to have been the acting Iraq director for the Institute for War and Peace Reporting, an organisation that supports journalists and activists in conflict-hit countries.

[–]Drak_is_Right 168ポイント169ポイント  (62子コメント)

No security cameras certainly lends itself to conspiracy theories.

[–]drunkenbrawler 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is no mention in the article that there were any malfunctioning security cameras. I think it might be that this friend of hers was just saying that if we are told that security footage is missing we should be suspect foul play.

'I'm not into conspiracies, but if the Turks say a security camera at Istanbul-Ataturk was "malfunctioning," then Jacky Sutton was murdered.'

[–]BrQQQ 44ポイント45ポイント  (31子コメント)

That's definitely the most suspicious part. However, I feel like if I was some evil organization who wanted to get rid of someone, I'd do it discreetly.

Even if I wanted to make a point, an airport seems like a very high risk place with many cameras an such. Could more easily do it at someone's own house, I think.

[–]kuroji 128ポイント129ポイント  (5子コメント)

Very high risk place with many cameras is exactly where you'd kill someone if you wanted to send a message.

That message is: if you're like this person, you're not safe anywhere. Not even in a crowded public place.

[–]srStargazer 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's a pretty powerful message to be sending as well. Lets hope Turkey releases her body so they can actually figure out exactly how she died.

[–]cowfishduckbear [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ooh, I've seen this one! She locked herself in a duffel bag, hung herself, and then shot herself in the back of the head?

[–]johnydarko -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right, but if you were sending a message, then why not do it in front of the cameras in a skimask like the ISIS killings? Why look for a spot with no cameras at all and make it look like a suicide?

[–]ButlerFish 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe she knew something and was going to publish it and someone wanted her to disappear. The flight stop was the one time when they knew exactly where she'd be at what time with no friends. Who knows.

[–]Raidicus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was going to say - it could have been purely timing/scheduling reasons. If she knew something particularly worrisome they would want her dead ASAP or before she could meet certain contacts and share the info. Maybe the info was so sensitive she wouldn't talk about it on the phone or e-mail...

[–]patthetree 71ポイント72ポイント  (15子コメント)

True, but why commit suicide in an airport? Just seems like an odd place to do it, plus women don't often hang themselves, they tend to take a less violent approach than men and tend to use pills or slashing wrists in the bath. Though she could just be an outlier

[–]ethelber 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

Awful subject to get into, but I would assume wrists is more violent than hanging.

[–]DogBotherer 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't which I'd describe as more violent, but the parent poster is right from memory that hanging is not a commonly chosen suicide method for women.

[–]ethelber 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

fair enough, id choose hanging over wrists though for sure

[–]DogBotherer 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sure. And certainly more likely to get the job done.

[–]Trlckery 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I read a statistic that men are overwhelmingly more effective in suicide attempts than women

[–]DogBotherer 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup. From memory - women are far more likely to attempt suicide; men are more likely to complete. And that's mostly because men tend to choose more lethal methods, although it's also likely to be tied up in intent (women are more likely to be crying for help; men are more likely to be trying to end their lives).

[–]DrDPants 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

It’s more about lethality than a subjective measure of violence. Hanging is more lethal than cutting by a long way.

[–]patthetree 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because if done under the water while medicated it doesn't hurt as much supposedly. pills are more common though but /u/arkanis50 stated they knew a few cases of hanging and after thinking about it there were a few big cases of it in my area a few years ago so I may be mistaken.

[–]hadees 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Suicide often seems irrational so while it does seem like a weird location to kill yourself i'm not sure we can really discount it just because.

[–]patthetree 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It may be irrational however most people make a plan before committing the act that's why its so strange that she chose to do this in an airport in Turkey

[–]slothenstein -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

I would assume because someone will find you.

[–]patthetree 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah but in an airport bathroom there's more chance of someone stopping you from completing the act.

[–]bottomofleith 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's absolutely no chance of being stopped in a toilet cubicle, by anyone. Do you check people inside toilet cubicles are ok?

[–]arkanis50 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nearly all the women I have known to commit suicide hanged them self using anything at their disposal - the strap of your handbag works well apparently.

[–]89XE10 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Similarly, an airport is a very weird place to hang yourself over a missed flight. If it wasn't a 'spur of the moment' suicide—it would be even weirder to do it in an airport having just missed a flight.

[–]chooseanname 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

Discreetly, unless you wanted to send a message (with only a minimun needed plausible deniability).

[–]Peentown 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a much more serious point. Fuck with their shit and they will take you out, no matter where you are. Let's you know you can't pull any trick plays or fast moves, simply: "Cross the line, and we'll find you and murder you. Any time, any place." Much scarier.

Whoever did this needs to be held accountable (and publicly hanged, drawn and quartered if you ask me). We cannot live in a world where neutral journalists avoid seeking the truth out of fear for their lives.

[–]2gig 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't need to be discreet. There's a tiny amount of plausible deniability, therefore nothing will come of this. I wonder if plausible deniability is even necessary anymore.

[–]vikinick 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

At what level do things stop being conspiracies?

[–]Enshag 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

A conspiracy is an agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, defraud or break the law. So it wont stop being a conspiracy even if it is uncovered.

The reason why we associate conspiracies with something loony is probably due to government propaganda.

Specifically, in April 1967, the CIA wrote a dispatch which coined the term “conspiracy theories” … and recommended methods for discrediting such theories. The dispatch was marked “psych” – short for “psychological operations” or disinformation – and “CS” for the CIA’s “Clandestine Services” unit.

The dispatch was produced in responses to a Freedom of Information Act request by the New York Times in 1976.

You can read the published CIA memo here.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge

[–]Drak_is_Right 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

in this case, not sure it could as it would go from "conspiracy theory" to "government conspired to cause her death".

so to answer your question - when the hypothesis is proven with factual data.

[–]Account235 29ポイント30ポイント  (20子コメント)

Stop calling "conspiracy theory" a reasonable guess.

[–]89XE10 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

Exactly. The twin towers being an elaborate inside job is a conspiracy theory. It's not outlandish to think people are ever murdered and made to look like a suicide.

[–]ImApigeon 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Conspiracy theories don't necessarily have to be outlandish. They consist of secret actions and cover ups, which could definitely be the case here.

[–]TouchDownBurrito [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There are a lot of theories about who is really in power in the Turkish government too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state

[–]ODBasUcansee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Damn. Super interesting/depressing read. I'm definitely not surprised, and know the same thing has been going on in the US.

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gary Webb was a journalist whose death was ruled a suicide after he was found with two gunshot wounds to the head.

It may very well have been a suicide, but his history with the CIA makes the death look suspicious.

[–]Dazzyreil 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

But this IS a conspiracy theory. Official story says suicide so any other theory is a conspiracy theory.

[–]LaurieCheers 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

"Conspiracy" implies a fairly large number of people are involved. Hypothesizing that she was killed by one or two people working alone (and the officials were fooled) would not be a conspiracy theory.

[–]Dazzyreil 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

So what you're saying that instead of a large group it is possible that 2 people conspired to kill her and make it look like an accident?

Conspiracy theory.

[–]LaurieCheers 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

<sigh> ONE person could have done it. Then it wouldn't be a conspiracy. Yes?

[–]plutoXL 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Conspiracy might not be about her death. But there might be a conspiracy in trying to cover up the exact cause of her death.

[–]Dazzyreil -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

True, you need at least 2 people involved for it to be called a conspiracy theory.

But the point is conspiracy theories aren't just about 9/11 and UFO's. I know, this is hard to accept because that would mean "those crazy conspiracy theorists" would apply to a very large part of the western society.

[–]LaurieCheers [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Sure; by the definition you're using, it seems to apply to literally every theory about two or more people doing something without telling people.

[–]Dazzyreil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Which is the definition of "conspiracy theory".

2 or more people conspiring to do something "evil".

Which other definition is there for conspiracy theory?

[–]Aromir19 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, shallow and pedantic.

[–]Atlanticall -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Conspiracy" implies a fairly large number of people are involved.

No, you just need two.

[–]sillyaccount 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you believe the Watergate scandal actually happened? Then you believe a conspiracy theory.

Edit: Maybe we should just call the Watergate scandal a conspiracy, it's pretty much accepted as a fact. But the term theory is often used to mean something like a reasonable guess, so it is very appropriate to use the term 'conspiracy theory' here. The problem is that the concept is often misunderstood in my view.

Here is the beginning of the wikipedia page about the term:

A conspiracy theory is an explanatory hypothesis that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an event or situation which is typically taken to be illegal or harmful. Although the term "conspiracy theory" has acquired a derogatory meaning over time and is often used to dismiss or ridicule beliefs in conspiracies,[1] it has also continued to be used to refer to actual, proven conspiracies, such as United States President Richard Nixon and his aides conspiring to cover up the Watergate scandal in the 1970s.

Seems to be applicable to this incident. But I understand where the misunderstanding comes from. You seem to be using the derogatory meaning, but I don't think that makes sense if you analyze the concept.

[–]GuythrustDeepwood 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm pretty sure is ceases to be called a "theory" once it is proven.

[–]sillyaccount [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hmm. I think we should drop the word theory when talking about Watergate. That is just a conspiracy.

The term theory is actually often used to mean something like a reasonable guess.

[–]bobsp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's still a conspiracy theory.

[–]pandapanpanda 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did NOBODY read the article? There is zero mention of the airport officials claiming that the security cameras were malfunctioning. It was a quote by a friend that was purely hypothetical. Edit your comment before even more tl;drers are misled, please.

[–]HeL10s [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

She committed suicide because she missed her flight. Yeah, that's what people do.

[–]the_real_stan_boon 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Turkish police say she committed suicide cuz she missed her flight?'

if it wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious.

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    [–]doktormabuse 249ポイント250ポイント  (15子コメント)

    They say she committed suicide because she missed a flight? Sounds totally convincing! Happens every day! /s

    [–]something_python 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I came close last time I was in China. Pudong Airport suuuuuuucks.

    [–]lovefordoge 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Sorry dude,that's why I tend to travel by high speed railway in China.The airport really fucks up my travel.(I am Chinese).

    [–]something_python 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I got the high speed train a few times. It was awesome, and so cheap!

    But unfortunately it doesnt go to London ;)

    [–]KGB_under_your_bed 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yep, totally didn't miss the flight becasue she was dead /s

    [–]Hoobleton 41ポイント42ポイント  (2子コメント)

    She spoke to the airline after missing the flight, so yeah, she didn't miss it because she was dead.

    [–]chisleu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Article? What article? I can't be expected to read every article on the internet!

    [–]Doireidh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    You didn't watch nearly enough Poirot/Sherlock Holmes tv series.

    [–]MonkRag 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    it could have been the straw that broke the camels back but still, over missing a simple flight....

    [–]doktormabuse [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    When you fly into a war zone, you factor in possible flight delays/cancellation. Hardly a reason to end your life...

    [–]devoutchristian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Well I usually kill myself if I miss a flight, perfectly normal. /s

    [–]KaldisGoat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She then appeared distressed after being told by airline staff that she would have to buy a new ticket...

    I don't know about you, but I always consider it to be a time of rejoicing when I'm told that.

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    [–]Ledmonkey96 120ポイント121ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Tragedy is not a word I would use, in such a case tragedy would indicate that this was an accident. It was certainly not one however.... the I wonder who specifically stood to gain from this.

    [–]GoldYeti 49ポイント50ポイント  (4子コメント)

    "Ms Sutton is believed to have been the acting Iraq director for the Institute for War and Peace Reporting, an organisation that supports journalists and activists..."

    Don't be so naive, it is obvious who would gain from this "tragedy"

    [–]Ledmonkey96 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I'll assume they honored the Kurds recently and say the Turks?

    [–]jedijbp 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Somebody who dislikes the proliferation of truth.

    [–]xenoghost1 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you aren't imply the Putin of Anatolia

    are you?

    [–]henker92 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Well, I'm no linguist but I do think that tragedy is not linked to accident in any way. Greek tragedy was a genre where the representation ended with the death of one of the characters, regardless of the death being caused by accident or not.

    [–]PANTSONMIXTAPE 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    To paraphrase sgt angel: because tragedy implies theres nobody to blame

    [–]WP47 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Nitpick: wasn't that about the word accident?

    So it wouldn't really be a paraphrase, but perhaps an adaptation.

    [–]PANTSONMIXTAPE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah i didnt have the word for it so just went with what I could think of. I dont think adaptation is correct either but im no wordsmith

    [–]Dargish 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

    £145,000 two bed flat in London? That's the most suspicious part of the story!

    Apart from her being murdered of course.

    [–]Lariat87 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Absolute bullshit. Unless that's in the worst tower blocks ever. No way you can get a 2 bed flat for that little in London

    [–]Marzipan1337 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is what I was thinking... No way has she got a 2 bed flat in west London for that price! It's less than my house costs now!

    [–]donteatgrains 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

    whoever was behind this assassination needs to be found and held accountable. Sadly we may never know who or even why

    [–]tossspot 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    just reading that article could be any one from a rape or robbery to any world player or intelligence agency, god knows what work she does from those details, sounds like she really wanted to get on a plane maybe the ticket got cancelled? cancel that and any credit cards then you can stop anyone at an airport...

    [–]InfinitReality [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    The people responsible know they're immune.

    [–]ghsgjgfngngf 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Article have many spell error. Is even British paper?

    [–]ionised 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's the Daily Mail. I hesitate to call them human, even.

    [–]negotiationtable 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Wonder if she was a spy? Spoke five languages, that's pretty impressive.

    [–]ObeseGirlSwag 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I'm at 6, nearing on a certificate for my seventh, but I'm no spy. Some people just have a knack for languages.

    [–]Totts3 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's exactly what a spy would say.

    [–]negotiationtable 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Congrats, I'm envious. I'm having enough trouble learning German as my second! Hopefully it gets easier by the third.

    I'd be suspecting you were a spy only if you had some kind of role that required you to be in areas of international upheaval and then you mysteriously 'commit suicide' over some strange mix-up in air tickets that prevent you from getting on your scheduled plane.

    [–]ObeseGirlSwag 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Her situation definitely is strange and I'm suspicious about it. Definitely don't give up on German, it's an amazing language and you'll be happy you persevered! I can tell you by experience it's one of the harder languages to learn but it's amazing once you're proficient in it.

    [–]negotiationtable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks! As time goes on more and more of it sinks in :)

    [–]que0x 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I had the same issue. Languages is not my thing. however study, talk, and what TV with subtitles. German is really cool language. Spoken in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Luxembourg.

    Best of luck!

    [–]negotiationtable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good idea about the TV with subtitles, I haven't done that yet. Danke sehr!

    [–]webauteur 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ich bin kein Spion.

    [–]bharg5 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    She was currently undertaking her phd at the Australian National University, so unlikely

    [–]SMERSH762 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Irag?

    [–]ApookTheDestroyer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/09/17/4089501.htm Here Jacky Sutton talks about her years in the conflict-zones around the world. And I must say, I find it hard to belive that she would kill her self for missing a flight. I sound more like she would be running for her life, and freaked out when she missed her flight be afraid she would be killed if she didn't. pure speculation of cource. but somehow plausible... EDIT : I would like to know what she was working on. Maybe she knew something she wasn't supposed to know?

    [–]vorenus-et-pullo 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

    A detail overlooked in the comments but was highly pointed out in discussions over in Turkish social media:

    She then appeared distressed after being told by airline staff that she would have to buy a new ticket and was later found in the toilets by three Russian passengers, according to local media.

    [–]Seek_Adventure 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Tons of Russians travel to Turkey for vacation. That airport alone probably sees a million Russians per year. Although I wouldn't put it past Erdogan shills to conveniently blame Russia in some far fetched conspiracy

    [–]I-fuck-donkeys -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yes, because Russians would be so stupid to kill her and then draw attention to themselves by completely unnecessarily reporting their own kill. Do you even think?

    [–]xenigala 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If the assassin immediately sets up an outcry, playing the "horrified witness", no alibi or surreptitious withdrawal is necessary.

    Quote about how to make an assassination look like a suicide, from the declassified CIA assassination manual, from the 1954 Guatemala coup: "A Study of Assassination" (hosted at the National Security Archive, George Washington University).

    [–]vorenus-et-pullo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They are the only people we know have interacted with the victim and so it is nevertheless important to point it out.

    Also: There is no mention of malfunctioning cameras in Turkish press. It is only given as a speculation in Daily Mail, and it is absent from the Guardian article. The Russians reporting it themselves could just give them an edge to avoid blame when camera records are checked, since another user pointed out, the toilets there are busy and the people coming in after the Russians could find it out. Never heard of hiding in plain sight?

    P.S. Another detail from the Turkish press - she hung herself with her own shoelaces, allegedly. No mention of if she was still in that state by the time officials reached her.

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      [–]venomae 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

      (Completely serious) As a someone who visits that airport pretty often, I find it absolutely miraculous that they found a free toilet to do this in. That airport has like 1 toilets per 10k+ passangers and theres usually huge line in front of every single one. Why would someone murder her there and how.. Just wow.

      [–]your_inner_monologue 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Agreed. I had a layover at that airport for a few hours Saturday and the bathrooms were perpetually full. Interestingly, the escalators and air conditioning were off for a while at one point, I wonder if that had anything to do with the malfunctioning security camera.

      [–]mycatatemyface 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm not into conspiracies, but

      Then you should not be a journalist, should you? Either because you truly do not believe in conspiracies or because you merely submit to the propaganda of denouncing anything that questions the "official story" as "conspiracy", only to sound more credible.

      [–]no1ninja 55ポイント56ポイント  (25子コメント)

      Turkey leads the world in journalists killed. It seems international journalists are fair game too.

      Why is NATO allied with them when they clearly support and arm ISIS?

      [–]vorenus-et-pullo 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Dude, what? Only four dead in the last decade, a massively lower number compared to Russia/India/China*, are you sure you aren't thinking of jailed journalists?

      And literally nobody suspects the Turkish state for doing this in Turkey, since every suspect death in Turkey (for which the state has been suspect of) has included kidnappings/disappearences, bombings and straight up gunning people down. Only suspect suicides have been of three Turkish military engineers, for which foreign intelligence is rumoured to be of blame.

      Most Turkish social media comments suspect international spy showdown instead, for the record. They also complain about Turkish Airlines not offering a free ticket for the missed connection flight - maybe she did not fly into Istanbul with them (which makes TA justified IMHO), or maybe this will be a PR disaster for TA.

      *edit: Not China, I apologise for that - China is apparently fairly spotless in terms of journalist deaths.

      [–]DogBotherer 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yeah, I was just going to correct you on China - from your source, China is only 2 journalist deaths with a motive since 1992 compared to 37 in India, 56 in Russia and 20 in Turkey. Still seems Turkey is a fairly risky place to be poking your nose into, especially given Russia has roughly double the population of Turkey (no idea about number of journalists) so the relative risk is only slightly greater on that basic level. And it would be relatively more risky than India.

      [–]Death_to_Fascism [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I don't know if it's at the top because that website is really jerky on my phone, but journalists die by the hundreds in Mexico, it's amazing and everyone is just used to it now. Of course no one gives a shit because we're super buddies with you know which country.

      [–]overdos3 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Turkey leads the world in journalists killed.

      Source?

      [–]badfysh 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Turkey leads the world in journalists killed

      Bullshit.

      [–]crusoe 40ポイント41ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Because during the cold war turkey could close the bosporous by scuttling a few ships and deny the Soviet black Sea fleet entrance to the Mediterranean. But the Russian black Sea fleet is just one carrier now.

      Turkey is no longer worth the trouble.

      [–]srStargazer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's so Europe has a bufferzone between ourselves and the Middle East. Also it enables the USA to have a "friend" at the Middle East so they can stage attacks if war etc.

      [–]Loki-L 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I think Turkey is high (maybe one of the highest) in the number of journalists imprisoned, but relatively good when it come to journalists being outright killed.

      [–]Gok-Turk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      noone mentions theyre mostly Kurdish journalists stirring up trouble.

      [–]Chang-an 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Why is NATO allied with them . . .

      To stop it becoming an Islamic state right on the borders of Europe, which it arguably already is with the way Erdogan has been carrying on.

      Also to provide a controlled buffer zone of sorts.

      [–]stupidseedsinpilau 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Interestingly this is doesn't make the front page of the bbc website. One of their own clearly murdered in a airport. Who made that decision to sideline the story?

      [–]soothfast 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It's there. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34567210

      [–]stupidseedsinpilau 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yeah I know but not front page. Although its No.1 on sidebar now.

      [–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      In their defense, there is only so much they can report before they start slipping into speculation and away from facts, and the BBC has a reputation to uphold.

      [–]pdcjonas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      She was there for two years, from '98-2000. Not very long, and 15 years ago

      [–]specialist091491 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Erdogan

      [–]chupalaCTM 13ポイント14ポイント  (10子コメント)

      turkey is going down fast.

      [–]uberwings 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

      I heard they are funding ISIS, is that true?

      [–]Kaghuros 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They allow, through inaction, men and materiel to cross their border unhindered. It's not direct funding or aid, but they're turning a blind eye.

      [–]Tacoking 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Turkey supports and arms ISIS.

      http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/37pf3d/video_footage_showing_trucks_belonging_to_turkeys/

      Turkish officials directly dealt with ranking ISIS members

      http://www.businessinsider.com.au/links-between-turkey-and-isis-are-now-undeniable-2015-7

      Turkey purchases ISIS oil.

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/19/-sp-islamic-state-oil-empire-iraq-isis

      The artifacts that ISIS loots from temples are smuggled through Turkey.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/13/isis-artifacts-looting_n_6857550.html

      ISIS militants can receive medical treatment in Turkey if they are Turkish citizens.

      http://rt.com/news/238713-isis-commander-turkey-hospital/

      http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/03/06/400530/Turkey-confirms-ISIL-leader-being-treated

      [–]Leguar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      First link: Your title is bullshit and biased, it doesn't even say that Turkey's arming ISIS, it says that it's arming Syrian rebels to take down the Assad government (many western countries are part of this).

      Second link: It says "so clear" and "undeniable" in quotes, there's no actual evidence. Joe Biden even apologized that he made that statement because he's talking bullshit again with no actual evidence. Yes it's right that there have been many ISIS members who passed the borders, but that's normal. You can't stop 100% of it, no country can.

      Third link: "Turkey" didn't purchase oil but traders located in Turkey. It could be possible that the trader sells it to the Turkish government, or even other governments but there is no actual evidence proving this.

      Fourth link: Yes it obviously finds it way through turkey, it has a huge border, it's impossible to protect that big of a border. But the Turkish government has caught some of those artifacts on their borders.

      Fifth link: Yes you're gonna get medical treatement when you're wounded, it's your right in Turkey to get healthcare, no matter what kind of ideology or terrorist you are (yes, even Kurdish terrorist get treatement if they're wounded) and after they've been treated they're handed over to the authorities.

      It's all just journalism.

      [–]BrokenStool 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How so?

      [–]Lovehat 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      this strikes me as suspicious. Was this woman travelling often? How many flights has she previously missed?

      [–]ionised 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      In answer to your second question, the answer is none, because she was clearly alive. I'm led to believe she was the type to kill herself if she missed a flight.

      [–]dekkers21 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Was the flight on Gantas?

      [–]poliphilosophy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Everyone here seems to immediately assume she was assassinated. She did miss her flight and apparently was extremely upset that she had to buy a new ticket. People seem to dismiss that and mention "how many flights has she missed in the past". All the connecting flights that I have missed, I have not had to buy a new ticket for, I too would be upset to have to buy a new ticket. Then lastly, I have lost friends/acquaintances to suicide, if you are depressed, it does not take much to push you over the edge, and if this woman suffered from depression, she very likely did hang herself.

      [–]l2ny 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      no you're a rag

      [–]KaldisGoat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      ...if the Turks say a security camera at Istanbul-Ataturk was "malfunctioning" then Jacky Sutton was murdered.'

      Let's see then. I also want to know how she missed her flight.

      I want to see all of her movements tracked from cameras around the airport since she left the arriving flight.

      I want to hear from the plane crew that was supposed to take her to Iraq. Were they instructed to depart ahead of schedule?

      I want to hear from other passengers on that connecting flight.

      I want to know if the flight announcement boards were working at the time.

      [–]ButlerFish 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Man, you should be an inquisitor!

      [–]que0x 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      just a side note. I lost my connection flight on Istanbul airport more than once. It's one of the shitist airports in the world, and it's very common to lose your connection flight. The airport stuff is the rudest in the world. They will book you a flight next day, but you have to go outside, stay in long queue with others who lost their connection, and transferred to a hotel in the city. Last time it took them more than 5 hours to find a hotel (given that they already knew of the delayed passengers beforehand). Some of the passengers stay in the hotel for 30 minutes, then taken back to the airport. Such a bad experience. avoid Turkish airlines in all costs.

      [–]AlisAtAn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Fuck is an Irag?

      [–]OrksWithForks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Depression is unpredictable. A person can lose a loved one, and not kill themselves. The same person can misplace their car keys a week later and go "fuck it." Still, this warrants investigation.

      [–]VerySharpCup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Non-Daily Mail link

      [–]dgonzal2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      -. - Wait, wait. You're telling me she committed suicide because she 'missed her connecting flight' ? .. .. ..

      [–]Volomon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I see no one asked the hard hitting question of where is Irag.

      [–]dasitmanes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      One of the number one things said by people who know someone who killed himself is "No, he/she would never do that". Right after that comes "S/he seemed so normal, I never saw this coming".
      Some colleagues saying it's "impossible" doesn't hold that much value in my opinion.

      A second thing I find weird is this stance from the comment section

      I travel a lot and I don't think I have EVER been into a ladies toilet that was empty. Normally have to wait and there are always people coming and going, even in the night. This doesn't add up at all!

      Isn't that an argument that there's no way anyone could kill someone in there? Sounds like an argument for suicide to me.

      Not seeing any arguments for this "she was murdered" theory right now.

      [–]Nyter -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Irag?

      [–]RhetoricWarrior -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      http://globalnews.ca/news/2027054/canadians-mysterious-death-at-laos-airport-has-victims-family-searching-for-answers/

      This stuff happens, and even if the evidence is ridiculous, we will never hear the truth.

      [–]Gok-Turk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Hey, one white person died. Kick Turkey out of NATO!

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