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[–]ArchangellePedophile[M] 15 points16 points17 points  (93 children)
I was fired along with /u/dovercliff because EFS want TiA to basically have no rules anymore. He did not like the fact we made rules to keep coontown people and the like out of TiA. Rather than say anything to us about it, he fired us. I am sure he has some BS spin on it, but that is basically it.
[–]GOTradeAutoMod[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
Who is EFS? I assume Borgore?
[–]ArchangellePedophile 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
Yup. It was pretty random.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
Both AAP and Dover were offered their positions back but they rejected the offer because we wouldn't put them to the top of the mod list.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
That is not true either. I never said a word to you about the invite. More lies. Wow. I never said a word to you about anything as you never contacted me at all.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
This is what DBCrumpets said to me. To be fair, though, DB was really full of bull so his position may not have reflected yours. However DB was absolutely demanding you and Dover be moved to the top of the mod list.
You and Dover were both invited back as mods of TiA and I invited both of you to join the IRC to discuss with me directly and you accepted neither.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
well, I never got any IRC invite. I also had nothing to do with anything Crumpy said. I appreciate him going to bat for me, but all that happened before I even heard about it. So to say I declined and chose to bitch behind you back is not at all true. Someone asked what happened and I responded honestly from my perspective. Regardless, all of this could have been avoid had you actually tried to communicate with us. Much like the last time you made a post here. Had you messaged us first, we might have been able to address concerns instead of it becoming heated.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
I never got any IRC invite
The link was posted in the modmail (which you were invited back to) and Gamma shared it in the group you had set up. Other mods joined it. That's all I can say, I dunno how it went on your end.
I also had nothing to do with anything Crumpy said
Fair.
So to say I declined and chose to bitch behind you back is not at all true
Oh you definitely did that, come on now. At no point did you directly contact me through any channel. Instead you bitched about me to other mods on Skype then made posts like this all over Reddit.
Someone asked what happened and I responded honestly from my perspective.
Behind my back calling me a little bitch, yeah. Not the mature way to handle it especially when I'd already invited you back to mod TiA at that point.
Regardless, all of this could have been avoid had you actually tried to communicate with us.
That never worked to well with you, you were too stubborn to listen to anyone else. You threatened to kick Gamma for disagreeing with your decisions even. You never took anything others said seriously if it didn't align with your views.
[–]nikkitgirl 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
There go the two people keeping it from sliding into being a hate sub… I'm really sorry to hear about that, I have a lot of respect for both of you as moderators, your moderation styles actually inspired mine…
[–]ArchangellePedophile 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Thank you for the kind words. Hopefully the community can keep the place on track. There are a lot of good people around here.
[–]silverjazz 3 points4 points5 points  (18 children)
That sounds kind of weird, I thought he was against the more racist elements that had been showing up in TiA?
[–]DBCrumpetsSanity is overrated 4 points5 points6 points  (16 children)
No, despite claiming TiA is a right-wing hugbox in the most popular TiAD post of all time, he now believes TiA is a left-wing hugbox. Dude's retarded.
[–]Huitzil37 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
Isn't he bipolar?
As grody as it feels to say that someone did something I dislike because he's legit mentally ill, someone who goes from "I hate this place! It's too right wing! I hate that I made a haven for conservatives!" to "I hate this place! It's too left wing! I hate that I made a hugbox for liberals" in such a short amount of time, with the thing in question not really changing much at all... he probably should be asking about upping his meds.
[–]DBCrumpetsSanity is overrated 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
Ask him, I think he's a nutter but that doesn't necessarily mean he's mentally ill.
[–]Huitzil37 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
I'm aware they aren't the same thing, but flipping so dramatically from "this place is a conservative haven" to "this place is a liberal haven", reads to me like he's constructing his entire view of the place based on the last couple of things he's seen, and that plus the sudden, destructive, ill-advised actions he's taking read to me less like someone with generally bad ideas, and more like someone whose judgment is being actively impaired.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Isn't he bipolar?
No.
[–]silverjazz 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
I'm sorry, that's something I'd have to see to believe. It just sounds like such a massive about face to have for no particular reason.
[–]DBCrumpetsSanity is overrated 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Well believe it, AAP and /u/dovercliff were kicked off of the team for it, and I stepped down in protest.
[–]punkbrad7 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Well that's some shit :\
[–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 0 points1 point2 points  (8 children)
I think tiad has gone far left, but Tia itself hasn't. Though I also feel the community should sort itself out, instead of relying on mods to do so.
And by that, I mean comment wise. If you guys removed racist (overt and blatant, and obviously so) posts, that's a different story.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
And by that, I mean comment wise. If you guys removed racist (overt and blatant, and obviously so) posts, that's a different story.
That was exactly what we were doing. Most comments were left to the community to police. It was comments where people were flaming each other or preaching some sort of ism that were removed. On occasion things might have gotten removed that probably shouldn't have, but when that did happen there was discussion about it to make sure people were not being too tight with the rules.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (6 children)
Though I also feel the community should sort itself out, instead of relying on mods to do so.
That's what we plan to do from now on. This is how TiA was always run traditionally. We trust the community to police itself and mods only step in where rule 1 is broken and where people are personally attacking other members, broadly speaking. Of course we have to address other issues too, for example dealing with single issue posters (which we have a plan for) but that's the gist of it.
[–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
I think demodding people blindly was a bad choice man. I'll say that too. I'm not completely against what you're doing, but I sure as hell think you went by it the wrong way
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
Oh I agree. I said to Gamma, Hatman, and DBCrumpets in the chat last night that I made a bad decision there which is why both AAP and Dover were quickly offered their positions back, but they those to decline.
[–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
I wish they'd go back, but I can see why they don't trust you. shrug
Much like Kia, all I wanted to do here was shit on Tumblr idiots, no matter what side they're on.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
You can still do that. This is why I never like putting mod drama out there. Everyone gets upset about things which mostly only matter to other mods. TiA is still TiA.
[–]Anaxagoras23 [score hidden]  (1 child)
While I would have agreed six months ago, isn't the political landscape of Reddit a wee bit dangerous at the moment for that? Between the risk of the subreddit being banned and the elements from coontown and fph looking to turn an established sub into the one they already lost it just seems like throwing caution to the wind is sort of like peeing in the wind when it's blowing the wrong direction.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] [score hidden]  (0 children)
We will have safeguards to this very similar to KiA's crusading rule which will essentially allow us to ban users who spam [whatever political view] all over the sub, but without having to ban discussion of certain topics or remove all politically incorrect posts.
Some are saying I am being "bipolar" with this decision because my previous post called TiA a "right-wing hugbox." Except I never actually did that. I want to be clear I never complained TiA was too right-wing. My real main complaint is that it was too serious in general. Can I fix that? Perhaps not, because that's a culture and the mods can't control the culture of a community. But can I try and sort out how it's modded? Yep. I had many people messaging me telling me that I shouldn't complain when I have the power to fix things. Well, now that's what I'm doing, to my best ability at least.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Guess not. Also, you will now be seeing all kinds of crap and shit posts on TiA now. We worked really hard to keep the quality up. This also seems to be a thing of the past. What a shame :(
[–]GammaKingTriggered by the letter 'f'[M] 3 points4 points5 points  (36 children)
I am sure he has some BS spin on it
You're not exactly being honest about this either.
There are fundamental disagreements about how TiA was being run, largely revolving around the misuse of rules such as 3D to remove even mildly offensive comments, and the effective banning of even mild political discussion in the main sub's comments.
Sure, EFS acted brashly, but trying to play that off as a "he wants this sub to be coontown" is just dishonest. You know that. You've even been sent a fresh invite.
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[–]ArchangellePedophile -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
You also are forgetting that last night there was a discussion about that rule so that in the future all instances were discussed before issuing a 3D. It is a new rule that required some adjustments. He was not needed to intervene at all. It was being addressed already.
As for fundamental disagreements on how the place is run is really only you and EFS, which to us is not even considered a part of the team. You on the other hand are happy with no moderation at all. You look at things in the mod-log and assign your own context to it and then complain about censorship for 2 hours. Like fighting to save the anti Jew dude the other day. You can't see the reasons things are done because you are too focused on your own self righteous opinion. But even then, there has been discussion about relaxing things a bit. Another instance where things were being addressed. This place is dynamic and fluid and things move and shift around as we find our balance point. Some things take longer than others to balance out. But they always balanced out. There are over a million people that come here each month. Doing things the way you want them done doesn't work. You want pub sized security for a festival sized gig. Good luck with that.
As for my invite, why would I want to come back to a shit show?
[–]GammaKingTriggered by the letter 'f'[M] 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
You on the other hand are happy with no moderation at all.
Bullshit.
You look at things in the mod-log and assign your own context to it and then complain about censorship for 2 hours.
"This comment clearly doesn't break what 3D was written for, yet it's been removed for 3D". Moderation has become increasingly strict to the point that the rules are an essay these days.
Like fighting to save the anti Jew dude the other day.
I mod from an objective position. I don't believe in treating people differently based on their political beliefs, I believe in applying the rules fairly to everyone. "Look, he dislikes Jews! Let's ban him!" is the opposite of that.
As for my invite, why would I want to come back to a shit show?
Well we did spend a long time and conclude that EFS was wrong to remove you guys, I'm sorry about that. It's entirely up to you if you want to storm off though.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
"This comment clearly doesn't break what 3D was written for, yet it's been removed for 3D". Moderation has become increasingly strict to the point that the rules are an essay these days.
And that was addressed. Per our discussion the night before.
I mod from an objective position. I don't believe in treating people differently based on their political beliefs, I believe in applying the rules fairly to everyone. "Look, he dislikes Jews! Let's ban him!" is the opposite of that.
Except that dude was preaching antisemitism which was what 3D was there to stop. I don't care that he hates jews. I don't care that he says he hates jews... I do care when he is soap-boxing about it in hopes to push his beliefs on others here. Which was what happened.
Well we did spend a long time and conclude that EFS was wrong to remove you guys, I'm sorry about that.
Well, despite it all, I do appreciate that.
It's entirely up to you if you want to storm off though.
I am not storming off. I just feel this is not something easily undone.
[–]GammaKingTriggered by the letter 'f' 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Except that dude was preaching antisemitism which was what 3D was there to stop. I don't care that he hates jews. I don't care that he says he hates jews... I do care when he is soap-boxing about it in hopes to push his beliefs on others here. Which was what happened.
I wish that were true, but when the arguments for banning the guy were essentially "he hates Jews, fuck him - it's permanent", that's hard to believe.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
But that is not at all what happened. That is you saying that was that happened. Just because you say that, doesn't make it true.
[–]Diablo3RuinedMeHermione is NOT a special snowflake, #DumbledoreAintDie4This[M] 0 points1 point2 points  (24 children)
No, there wasn't. You had a fit about the way 3D was being applied, everyone else was fine with it. There were no fundamental disagreements, there was an arguement with you where you accused other mods of abusing their power.
[–]GammaKingTriggered by the letter 'f'[M] 0 points1 point2 points  (23 children)
3D's application had largely turned into "Do not insult homosexual or trans people". TiA was founded on the idea of not banning people for being offensive, so long as it didn't get directed at other users.
Further to that, I have indeed been concerned to find people being "marked" for swift banning if they express opinions that the mod team dislike. I may vehemently disagree with someone, but that doesn't mean it's right to find a flimsy excuse to deliver an instant permaban.
[–]Diablo3RuinedMeHermione is NOT a special snowflake, #DumbledoreAintDie4This[M] 0 points1 point2 points  (19 children)
Watching someone who constantly posts "trannies must die" is not marking someone for disagreeing, and you know it.
[–]GammaKingTriggered by the letter 'f'[M] 0 points1 point2 points  (18 children)
"Trannies must die" is what 3D was made to remove, "Trans women aren't women" isn't, yet time and time again that's the type of comment that gets killed by it.
[–]Diablo3RuinedMeHermione is NOT a special snowflake, #DumbledoreAintDie4This 0 points1 point2 points  (17 children)
No, the kind of coment that gets removes is "Trannies are just men with mutilated dicks", which is over the line.
[–]GammaKingTriggered by the letter 'f'[M] 0 points1 point2 points  (16 children)
Is it though? It may be offensive but it doesn't advocate harm. That "line" has been too vague and clearly varies between different mods, which isn't right.
[–]Diablo3RuinedMeHermione is NOT a special snowflake, #DumbledoreAintDie4This[M] 1 point2 points3 points  (14 children)
Yeah, it is over line, in the same manner that "Niggers are prone to crime" is over the line.
[–]GammaKingTriggered by the letter 'f'[M] 0 points1 point2 points  (13 children)
It's a statement of opinion, which is exactly what we used to promise NOT to remove.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Well on this point I can agree. Which is why it was being discussed. To me, most of those comments are 3B or let the the votes take care of it. However; all that was being ironed out. All the rest of this BS was unnecessary.
[–]ArchangellePedophile -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
No one was marked for swift banning. That is you again assigning your own context to something. People had notes made on them from time to time if we suspected them of being a habitual rule breaker. There are a lot of people around. It is a lot easier to use mod notes to keep track of habitual rule breakers. The 3 Strike rule would be impossible to use otherwise.
As for the 3D thing you mention, That was one comment and I already told people not to use that rule for that. You keep making mountains out of molehills.
[–]GammaKingTriggered by the letter 'f' 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
No one was marked for swift banning. That is you again assigning your own context to something. People had notes made on them from time to time if we suspected them of being a habitual rule breaker. There are a lot of people around. It is a lot easier to use mod notes to keep track of habitual rule breakers. The 3 Strike rule would be impossible to use otherwise.
I'd say the ban log shows otherwise. People get treated differently based on their beliefs, whether you can admit that or not.
As for the 3D thing you mention, That was one comment and I already told people not to use that rule for that. You keep making mountains out of molehills.
It's been a consistent and recurring pattern, not a single comment. How many times did you intend on saying "let's loosen up our application of this"? I doesn't seem to be changing anything.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
The rule is like a month old. Don't make it seem like this is some long on going thing that has been going on forever. There has been a few conversations over the last week or 2.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[M,🍰] -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
Of course he's being dishonest. He has to come crying and playing victim.
I'll be putting up an official announcement all this shortly, asking the feedback of the community about any significant rule changes, in the main TiA sub once the current mod team have had time to regroup.
[–]dimnakorr 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Of course he's being dishonest. He has to come crying and playing victim.
What a mature, professional, exceedingly correct and polite statement to make. That's bound to reassure the public at large and will most certainly put a damper on any mounting drama. Yes, siree, I don't see anything bad come of this.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I never blasted this into public in the first place, AAP and others did. As far as I'm concerned, internal mod drama shouldn't be ruining TiA for users in the first place, but they think otherwise so I have to respond.
[–]ArchangellePedophile -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
He has to come crying and playing victim.
lol
[–]TheVeldt323 2 points3 points4 points  (21 children)
Well that sucks.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 5 points6 points7 points  (20 children)
Sucks for us, but sucks more for TiA. If he makes it how it sounded to me, the place is about to take a huge slide in a bad way.
[–]Nechaev 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
I didn't realize bogore was still around.
If he makes it how it sounded to me, the place is about to take a huge slide in a bad way.
How so?
[–]ArchangellePedophile 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Looked to me like rules to keep the place on track are going out the window. A sub this size and with hot button topics, rules need to be in place to keep the whole thing from going sideways. We always tried to keep things civil and even keel as humanly possible. Not sure that is still a priority. I could be wrong of course, but that was the impression I got.
[–]Levimosa 2 points3 points4 points  (17 children)
Sucks because I really like TIA. I mean, it can make me angry at times but it's nice to see people getting just as mad at them as I do. And make jokes about SJW's. If TIA goes to shit I hope someone will make a new sub.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 2 points3 points4 points  (9 children)
I hope things stay on track, but I am already seeing a quality dip and it has only been a few hours. Some people cannot see the forest for the trees.
[–]aRealNowhereMan_...To hell with it. 4 points5 points6 points  (8 children)
He just demoted you, without ever talking to you? That's weak and cowardly behavior.
Anyway, Why not just make a new subreddit? Tia 2: Electric Boogaloo. Only it wouldn't be called Electric Boogaloo because it sucks, but just because it rhymes.
[–]ArchangellePedophile 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
He just demoted you, without ever talking to you? That's weak and cowardly behavior.
Yup. Just like when he made a post here about how much he hates TiA when he could have talked to us about it and any concerns he had.
Anyway, Why not just make a new subreddit? Tia 2: Electric Boogaloo. Only it wouldn't be called Electric Boogaloo because it sucks, but just because it rhymes.
there was/is /r/tumblrpls which was set to private. That could change I suppose. Making a new sub is a huge undertaking. But if this place goes down the shitter, I am sure a new one will take off.
[–]punkbrad7 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
We are going public now. I believe it's already been set back to it, actually.
[–]ArchangellePedophile -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Good Shit!
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
He just demoted you, without ever talking to you?
I offered to speak to him directly and he declined, instead choosing to bitch behind my back.
[–]ArchangellePedophile -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
No you didn't. You never said shit to me. You are making shit up again. I never got any offer to speak to you at all.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
I offered you to join the IRC, Gamma shared the link to all other mods and I also posted it in the modmail. Don't say otherwise because Gamma, Hatman and DBCrumpets found their way just fine. They were the only ones who accepted my offer to talk with me directly.
[–]ArchangellePedophile -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
How would I get that invite in modmail when I was removed from the modlist? Yes, there was a new invite sent, but I had no idea what I wanted to do with it when I seen it.
And more importantly, I was not even online when all of this happened.
So if any "offer" was made, I never seen it.
[–]punkbrad7 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
There is /r/tumblrpls, though we've still got it private as far as I know. Easy enough to modmail or message one of us if you want to see it though.
[–]Coldbeam 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Doesn't look like it. I'm not subbed and can see it.
[–]punkbrad7 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Yep, we're going public now. There's a stickied post about it on there now that just went up.
[–]Levimosa 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Will remember that.
[–]punkbrad7 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
We're public now, and bringing on a lot of the Based Mods from TiA, so feel free to take a look and spread it around.
[–]Levimosa 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I will! I hope it picks up for you guys.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
Hey.
Right now my priority is in seeing where the remaining mods stand. I would like as many as possible to be more reasonable and not throw a hissyfit like AAP and co just did.
Then we (mods and community) will look into sorting out the crazy labyrinth of rules we have now, not having any dictators (AAP and Dover were essentially dictating all mod rulings), and essentially trying to make TiA a more pleasant experience.
Despite AAP's whining, most of this is just changes in the background and shouldn't change the TiA experience much aside from making it easier to participate in because it won't be a situation where posts are removed because "you can't post direct links to this certain blog on a full moon unless the stars are aligned."
[–]ComradeShitlordShitlords of the world, unite! 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
...The fuck?
[–]ArchangellePedophile 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I am just hearing now that one of the reasons was because I told a mod who was arguing with me about something one day that he didn't have to be a mod if he felt that way and he went to EFS to tell him that I threaten all the mods that disagree with me. That is pretty funny as aside from that conversation, nothing remotely close to that has ever happened. Even in that case there was no threat of anything. The dude was being a douche at the time. All the mods were fed up of his attitude that day.
[–]aRealNowhereMan_...To hell with it. 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I was worried about this...that's why I sent you that message...I've sent like 2 messages in my entire reddit history
[–]ArchangellePedophile -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
I appreciate it. I never thought he would implode the place, but here we are.
[–]scttydsntknw85 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Really sorry about that AAP...I stopped taking what EFS had to say seriously after I saw the amount of drugs that motherfucker was on.
Oh and he has a subreddit that was supposed to bring back the "glory days" of TiA.
[–]ArchangellePedophile -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Thanks :)
Yeah, dude went sideways and that is unfortunate for everyone in the TiA community.
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[–]kleenebelly 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
Wait, shouldn't the head mod of TiA be somebody who isn't likely to die from a drug overdose?
[–]ArchangellePedophile 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Well until a few hours ago it was LOL. He was ahead of me on the list, but he was not considered to be on the mod team by the rest of us for a very long time. We were still cool with him despite a few shady things that went on after he left initially, but after he made his grand "I hate TiA" post we all lost respect for him. We even asked him to step down because obviously he hated the place, and none of us were comfortable with him being at the top in case something like this were to happen. I did not think he would do this though. All it took was a weasel that is still on the mod team to make shit up and whisper it into his ear. But that is a whole other kettle of fish.
[–]ArchangelleBorgoreEFS 2.0[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I stopped doing drugs a year ago. I took a break from Reddit to sort myself out, that's why I was gone for a while.
[–]kcos 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Wow... whole mod team has changed.
[–]dimnakorr 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Aw, shoot.
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