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Guess who's brother's company maintained security for the WTC towers until 9/11 (kendoc911.files.wordpress.com)

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[–]Mierdaz246 84ポイント85ポイント  (6子コメント)

Source please. We need solid evidence to state facts like these.

[–]burningempires 73ポイント74ポイント  (3子コメント)

You won't get one, because it isn't actually the case.

Securacom got the $8.3 million World Trade Center security contract in October 1996 and received about $9.2 million from the WTC job from 1996 (a quarter of its revenues that year) to 1998. But in 1998, the company was "excused from the project" because it could not fulfill the work, according to former manager Al Weinstein, and the electronic security work at the WTC was taken over by EJ Electric, a larger contractor.

This is confirmed by the SEC filings

Revenues decreased by 45% from $12.1 million in 1997 to $6.6 million in 1998. The decrease was due to the closeout of the World Trade Center Project.

There is some vague data to suggest they may have been involved as part of a project at the wTC. But the claim they "maintained security" for the buildings on 9/11 appears entirely unfounded. Much more debunking here.

[–]volunteervancouver [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Was actually John P. O'Neill

or this docu

[–]Greg_Roberts_0985[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bullshit.

Stratesec (formerly known as Securacom) at IPO in 1997, Securacom listed among its clients Washington Dulles International Airport, Hewlett-Packard, EDS, United Airlines, Gillette, MCI, the World Trade Center, and other facilities including hospitals, prisons, corporations, utilities, universities

The CEO, Barry McDaniel, is even on official record stating the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

To try and suggest that is is just a coincidence that Stratesec had contracts to provide security services not only for the World Trade Center, but also for United Airlines, which owned two of the planes hijacked on 9/11, and Dulles Airport, where American Airlines Flight 77 took off that day, is laughable

Stratesec’s Walker And His Top Secret Business Partners.

[–]Robert_ELEE_ibnWalid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey Marvin! How's your Germanic Death Cult doing?

[–]ElCaminoSS396 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Source is: dank meme

[–]76one 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

There was thermite found in the dust? I wasn't aware that the lab results were confirmed by a second lab.

[–]pants_face 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

SUPER thermite!

[–]cbs5090 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

It wasn't.

[–]76one 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh. What are they waiting for? Is it a cost issue?

[–]cbs5090 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first study was extremely shady. Published in an open, online only journal and the dust he used was never released to any other university or independent lab to try and reproduce the results.

It's my opinion that he knows his results are bullshit and he doesn't want other labs to confirm that it's bullshit.

The editor of that journal resigned because he published the article without her permission and without her even knowing about it.

[–]Pvt_Hudson_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

It wasn't thermite, it was LaClede primer paint.

That's the type of paint that coated the steel trusses of the WTC and was almost completely knocked off in the collapse according to NIST. It would have been present in the WTC dust in abundant quantities.

LaClede matches the chemical composition of the "red-grey chips" pretty closely (C, Fe, Al, Si, O and minute amounts of Sr and Cr on the level of noise).

When a similar chemical composition to LaClede primer paint was ignited as a test, it burned quickly and vividly at around 400 degrees, very close to the 430 that Jones ignited his red-grey chips at. That difference can be attributed to 40 years worth of oxidization.

[–]alllie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Does LaClede ignite when heated? Like the red chips did? Cause if it's incredibly flammable seems like a bad choice for a primer.

[–]Greg_Roberts_0985[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

according to NIST

When did NIST test for explosives again?

[–]Greg_Roberts_0985[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There was thermite found in the dust?

Evidence that thermite is no longer a hypothesis, it is in fact a tested and proven theory

Peer-reviewed, scientific research confirmed the presence of extremely high temperatures at the WTC. The high temperatures were evidenced by metallic and other microspheres, along with evaporated metals and silicates. These findings were confirmed by 9/11 investigators and by scientists at an independent company and at the United States Geologic Survey.

A peer-reviewed scientific publication has identified the presence of nanothermite in the WTC dust. One of the critical aspects of that paper has been confirmed by an independent scientist, chemical engineer, Mark Basile.

For more information about this peer reviewed scientific article...

  • Thermitic Pyrotechnics in the WTC Made Simple: Three Points of Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe that Anyone Can Understand - A concise non-technical summary of three key points about recently documented unexploded pyrotechnics from the Twin Towers

  • Explosives Found in World Trade Center Dust: Scientists Discover Both Residues And Unignited Fragments Of High-Tech Metal Incendiaries In Debris From the Twin Towers - A non-technical guide to the newly published paper explaining the identification of nano-engineered explosive materials in dust from the Twin Towers

Environmental anomalies at the World Trade Center: evidence for energetic materials is a Peer-reviewed scientific analysis of the environmental data collected at Ground Zero in the months following 9/11, that indicated that violent incendiary fires were occurring, that could not be put out, dispute millions of gallons of water being poured over the site and the use of chemical fire suppressants

Investigators monitoring air quality at the World Trade Center, after the September 11th attacks, found extremely high levels of volatile organic chemicals as well as unusual species that had never been seen before in structure fires. Data collected by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency indicate striking spikes in levels of benzene, styrene, and several other products of combustion

Only thermite, which contains its own oxidant and therefore cannot be extinguished by smothering it, can explain this evidence

[–]Purecheetodust 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whose 14yr old made this in Paint?

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    [–]TheySeeMeLearnin 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

    As a guy that doesn't get carried away with conspiracies but know people who do, I can tell you that there's no amount of evidence that can be put forth to convince people that it wasn't an inside job just as much as the opposite is true. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter whether or not it was since the world has already been re-shaped and toxic policies have already been set in place, and if it is ever proven that it was an inside job then the purveyors have clearly been shown as beyond reproach or repercussion for their actions.

    The question that you have to ask is:

    If, tomorrow, George W. Bush went on TV and said it was an inside job and provided every last shred of evidence needed to prove that he wasn't making it up, who would believe him and how many people would now believe this new version of history after believing the lie for so long?

    Some wouldn't believe him because it's so entrenched in their psyche and they've sunken so much into the current story. But, it doesn't matter because there is no way of actually knowing, we just have to listen to what are reported as the facts and believe a bunch of people who have made their living off of lying to us or exaggerating or preventing us from actually knowing what is going on in the world. It's not anyone's fault. Conspiracy theories are rooted in not trusting authority figures because they give us very few reasons to trust them.

    [–]NorthBlizzard 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's funny, I'll bet if Bush came out tomorrow and said he did it with full evidence, the same people that believed he did before would call him a liar because their agenda can't handle Bush telling the truth.

    [–]shvela -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm 14 and this is deep.

    [–]DostThowEvenLift [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    That's because he fucking wouldn't. That's be like Stephen Hawking going out and saying the earth is round. He's not going to, so it makes for an utterly useless thought experiment.

    [–]valon800 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    As tantalizing as making this a conspiracy is not even that there isn't any solid evidence, but also, that it makes ZERO logical sense. Why hijack a plane to fly into a tower of you can just detonate it using this so called 'thermite' found in the dust? Why would the president kill his own people in order to wage a war that destroyed the economy and left us diplomatically isolated? Why were Middle Eastern nations warning us of Osama's plans YEARS beforehand if he was fictional like Goldstein from 1984? Conspiratards, please explain.

    [–]00wizard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    1. Let a plane fly into a tower so it looks like the plane collapsed it.
    2. War can be very profitable for those who own the means of production. https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-did-Dick-Cheney-make-from-the-wars-in-Iraq-and-Afghanistan ( A theme shown in Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows)
    3. The term, "Inside Job" is a little miss-leading. REAL Terrorist did Hijack the planes But Bush's administration went to great lengths to let their plans unfold. Source: http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=167

    [–]danimir [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Pretty simple. There were no planes. The footage of the planes has been proven to be fake

    [–]spcguts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Where is the proof...because potato gifs are not real proof.

    [–]sockmess [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It goes beyond that. To keep the world from knowing about the Flat Earth, the NWO and the Illuminati needed a way to ground all planes so they can update the holograph sky program that would hide the ice wall that blocks off the edge of the Earth.

    [–]Dueperdue 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wait, I thought it was established that it was an inside job. Why the fuck are you here then?

    [–][削除されました]  (21子コメント)

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      [–]Hipporack [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Well, was it a full 20 or not? Because you sound like a shit brick that the whole platoon didn't even like if you had actually served. You know the kind that bragged about his rifle scores and then shot abysmally. For all of the Bragg(ing) you do, you don't remotely seem like you've actually done anything except defend that you may have once actually not been a shitbag

      Np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/3o8xut/bernie_sanders_critics_misfire_the_vermont/cvvbel3

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      [–]boehnerofamerica [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      *Whose

      [–]chowmaster 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Oh but it gets better!

      [–]anewparadox 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That language is discrediting. Really wish it wasn't used. None of this is good. I realize it is sarcasm but in such bad taste.

      [–]ancap47 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is pretty old info. I heard this back in 2005.

      [–]ImageRehoster 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Imgur mirror

      [–]jordansideas 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      why do things like this always have the worst graphic design.

      [–]NorthBlizzard 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      This post tries so hard. "Even though he left a year before, it's still all his fault because agenda!" Sounds like Obama supporters 7 years later. "Bush did it!".

      [–]CookBlazeRepeat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How can the head of security stop a FUCKING PLANE from crashing into their building. Was he supposed to put up anti aircraft guns or something?

      [–]alllie 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      So many shills. So little time.

      I'd like to ban about half the government agents in these comments.

      [–]camoh455 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      I can't even tell if you are been serious or not. This has to be one of the dumbest posts I have seen on Reddit.

      [–]alllie [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      It's long been known that Marvin was involved with the company that did security on 911. The only people on /r/conspiracy who would try to lie about that would be shills. Bush hired shills. Or government shills.

      [–]camoh455 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      I take back my previous comment. This is the dumbest thing I have seen.

      [–]alllie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Interesting how you mostly post on gaming and other obscure subs then suddenly show up on /r/conspiracy. And lotta Australian military. Is that what you are? Australian and in the military or was?

      [–]magikian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      no need for SUPER thermite, just regular will do fine..

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g

      [–]GiantJr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Marvin Bush-head of security at WTC during the attack. Probably got a raise. All the four star generals in our military got promoted for doing such a great job of protecting our country.

      [–]mjh808 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      damn, /r/conspiracy taken over by shills again

      [–]nerdyfanboy1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Why is the top comment in this sub always asking for proof. It's just pretty fucking interesting

      [–]mommy2libras [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Because people like to have things backed up by facts? That's normal. This whole sub is about not blindly accepting information that is fed to you. I'd think that it would be more "interesting" if people didn't ask for proof.

      [–]EAJ97 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Implying building security could stop a fucking plane