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[–]HereComesBadNews 1253ポイント1254ポイント  (75子コメント)

Just a note for the curious: it was "The Crooked Man," by Charles Beaumont. The full text is readily available on the internet.

[–]GrumpyGills 624ポイント625ポイント  (59子コメント)

Link for the lazy.

It's a good read.

[–]LowPieceOfShit 224ポイント225ポイント  (38子コメント)

Click on the above link to confirm you're lazy.

[–]A-ROY 156ポイント157ポイント  (27子コメント)

I am far too lazy to do that, sum it up in 5 words.

[–]Lordxeen 302ポイント303ポイント  (19子コメント)

"Get the fuck out, pusshound!"

[–]AbdulJahar 105ポイント106ポイント  (7子コメント)

Reminds me of the Zach Galiafanakis bit about being the only straight kid at a gay school.

"Hey Zach, where are you going? Gonna go try to find some pussy?!"

[–]kurogawa 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

Does he still do stand-up, or did he stop after he started doing movies?

[–]divide_by_hero 67ポイント68ポイント  (2子コメント)

World gay, straight man persecuted

[–]SquiddyTheMouse 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

Can confirm: clicked the link.

[–]IAMA_MadEngineer_AMA 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

Didn't click the link.

TLDR, I'm not lazy.

[–]itonlygetsworse 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Didn't click the link. Can confirm too lazy to read article.

[–]FeedMeDonuts 54ポイント55ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can you read it for me?

Thanks.

[–]ObsidianJones 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tai Lopez?

[–]Nixdaboss 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Up here in the Lamborghini hills, got Warren Buffet in my garage. But you know what I like more than Warren Buffet? Lamborghinis

[–]AintNothinbutaGFring 105ポイント106ポイント  (10子コメント)

In comment form for the more lazy:

“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools… who changed the truth of God into a lie. . . for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly . . .” –St. Paul: Romans, I

HE SLIPPED INTO A CORNER BOOTH AWAY FROM THE dancing men, where it was quietest, where the odors of musk and frangipani hung less heavy on the air. A slender lamp glowed softly in the booth. He turned it down: down to where only the club’s blue overheads filtered through the beaded curtain, diffusing, blurring the image thrown back by the mirrored walls of his light, thin-boned handsomeness.

“Yes sir?” The barboy stepped through the beads and stood smiling. Clad in goldsequined trunks, his greased muscles seemed to roll in independent motion, like fat snakes beneath his naked skin.

“Whiskey,” Jesse said. He caught the insouciant grin, the broad white-tooth crescent that formed on the young man’s face. Jesse looked away, tried to control the flow of blood to his cheeks.

“Yes sir,” the barboy said, running his thick tanned fingers over his solar plexus, tapping the fingers, making them hop in a sinuous dance. He hesitated, still smiling, this time questioningly, hopefully,a smile drenched in admiration and desire. The Finger Dance, the accepted symbol, stopped: the pudgy brown digits curled into angry fists. “Right away, sir.”

Jesse watched him turn; before the beads had tinkled together he watched the handsome athlete make his way imperiously through the crowds, shaking off the tentative hands of single men at the tables, ignoring the many desire symbols directed toward him.

That shouldn’t have happened. Now the fellow’s feelings were hurt. If hurt enough, he would start thinking, wondering–and that would ruin everything. No. It must be put right.

Jesse thought of Mina, of the beautiful Mina–It was such a rotten chance. It had to go right!

“Your whiskey, sir,” the young man said. His face looked like a dog’s face, large, sad; his lips were a pouting bloat of line.

Jesse reached into his pocket for some change. He started to say something, something nice.

“It’s been paid for,” the barboy said. He scowled and laid a card on the table and left.

The card carried the name E.J. TWO HOBART, embossed, in lavender ink. Jesse heard the curtains tinkle.

“Well, hello. I hope you don’t mind my barging in like this, but–you didn’t seem to be with anyone . . .”

The man was small, chubby, bald; his face had a dirty growth of beard and he looked out of tiny eyes encased in bulging contacts. He was bare to the waist. His white hairless chest dropped and turned in folds at the stomach. Softly, more subtly than the barboy had done, he put his porky stubs of fingers into a suggestive rhythm.

Jesse smiled. “Thanks for the drink,” he said. “But I really am expecting someone.”

“Oh?” the man said. “Someone–special?”

“Pretty special,” Jesse said smoothly, now that the words had become automatic. “He’s my financée.”

“I see.” The man frowned momentarily and then brightened. “Well, I thought to myself, I said: E.J., a beauty like that couldn’t very well be unattached. But–well, it was certainly worth a try. Sorry.”

“Perfectly all right,” Jesse said. The predatory little eyes were rolling, the fingers dancing in one last-ditch attempt. “Good evening, Mr. Hobart.”

Bluey veins showed under the whiteness of the man’s nearly female mammae. Jesse felt slightly amused this time: it was the other kind, the intent ones, the humorless ones like–like the barboy–that repulsed him, turned him ill, made him want to take a knife and carve unspeakable ugliness into his own smooth ascetic face.

The man turned and waddled away crabwise. The club was becoming more crowded. It was getting later and heads full of liquor shook away the inhibitions of the earlier hours. Jesse tried not to watch, but he had long ago given up trying to rid himself of his fascination. So he watched the men together. The pair over in the far corner, pressed close together, dancing with their bodies, never moving their feet, swaying in slow lissome movements to the music, their tongues twisting in the air, jerking, like pink snakes, contracting to points and curling invitingly, barely making touch, then snapping back.

The Tongue Dance. . . The couple seated by the bar. One a Beast, the other a Hunter, the Beast old, his cheeks caked hard and cracking with powder and liniments, the perfume rising from his body like steam; the Hunter, young but unhandsome, the fury evident in his eyes, the hurt anger at having to make do with a Beast–from time to time he would look around, wetting his lips in shame . . . And those two just coming in, dressed in Mother’s uniforms, tanned, mustached, proud of their station . . .

Jesse held the beads apart, Mina must come soon. He wanted to run from this place, out into the air, into the darkness and silence.

No. He just wanted Mina. To see her, touch her, listen to the music of her voice . . .

Two women came in, arm in arm, Beast and Hunter, drunk. They were stopped at the door. Angrily, shrilly, told to leave. The manager swept by Jesse’s booth, muttering about them, asking why they should want to come dirtying up The Phallus with their presence when they had their own section, their own clubs–.

Jesse pulled his head back inside. He’d gotten used to the light by now, so he closed his eyes against his multiplied image. The disorganized sounds of love got louder, the singsong syrup of voices: deep, throaty, baritone, falsetto. It was crowded now. The Orgies would begin before long and the couples would pair off for the cubicles. He hated the place. But close to Orgy-time you didn’t get noticed here–and where else was there to go? Outside, where every inch of pavement was patrolled electronically, every word of conversation, every movement recorded, catalogued, filed?

Damn Knudson! Damn the little man! Thanks to him, to the Senator, Jesse was now a criminal.

Before, it wasn’t so bad–not this bad, anyway. You were laughed at and shunned and fired from your job, sometimes kids lobbed stones at you, but at least you weren’t hunted. Now–it was a crime. A sickness.

He remembered when Knudson had taken over. It had been one of the little man’s first telecasts; in fact, it was the platform that got him the majority vote:

“Vice is on the upswing in our city. In the dark corners of every Unit perversion blossoms like an evil flower. Our children are exposed to its stink, and they wonder–our children wonder–why nothing is done to put a halt to this disgrace. We have ignored it long enough! The time has come for action, not mere words. The perverts who infest our land must be fleshed out, eliminated completely, as a threat not only to public morals but to society at large. These sick people must be cured and made normal.

“The disease that throws men and women, together in this dreadful abnormal relationship and leads to acts of retrogression–retrogression that will, unless it is stopped and stopped fast, push us inevitably back to the status of animals–this is to be considered as any other disease. It must be conquered as heart trouble, cancer, polio, schizophrenia, paranoia, all other diseases have been conquered . . .”

The Women’s Senator had taken Knudson’s lead and issued a similar pronunciamento and then the bill became law and the law was carried out.

Jesse sipped at the whiskey, remembering the Hunts. How the frenzied mobs had gone through the city at first, chanting, yelling, bearing placards with slogans: WIPE OUT THE HETEROS! KILL THE QUEERS! MAKE OUR CITY CLEAN AGAIN! And how they’d lost interest finally after the passion had worn down and the novelty had ended. But they had killed many and they had sent many more to the hospitals . . .

(continued)

[–]AintNothinbutaGFring 77ポイント78ポイント  (3子コメント)

He remembered the nights of running and hiding, choked dry breath glued to his throat, heart rattling loose. He had been lucky. He didn’t look like a hetero. They said you could tell one just by watching him walk–Jesse walked correctly. He fooled them. He was lucky.

And he was a criminal. He, Jess Four Martin, no different from the rest, tubeborn and machine-nursed, raised in the Character Schools like everyone else–was terribly different from the rest.

It had happened–his awful suspicions had crystallized–on his first formal date. The man had been a Rocketeer, the best high quality, even out of the Hunter class. Mother had arranged it carefully.

There was the dance. And then the ride in the spacesled. The big man had put an arm about Jesse and–Jess knew. He knew for certain and it made him very angry and very sad.

He remembered the days that came after the knowledge: bad days, days fallen upon evil, black desires, deep-cored frustrations. He had tried to find a friend at the Crooked Clubs that flourished then, but it was no use. There was a sensationalism, a bravura to these people, that he could not love. The sight of men and women together, too, shocked the parts of him he could not change, and repulsed him.

Then the vice squads had come and closed up the clubs and the heteros were forced underground and he never sought them out again or saw them. He was alone.

The beads tinkled.

“Jesse–” He looked up quickly, afraid. It was Mina. She wore a loose man’s shirt, an old hat that hid her golden hair: her face was shadowed by the turned-up collar. Through the shirt the rise and fall of her breasts could be faintly detected. She smiled once, nervously.

Jesse looked out the curtain. Without speaking, he put his hands about her soft thin shoulders and held her like this for a long minute.

“Mina–” She looked away. He pulled her chin forward and ran a finger along her lips. Then he pressed her body to his, tightly, touching her neck, her back, kissing her forehead, her eyes, kissing her mouth. They sat down.

They sought for words. The curtain parted.

“Beer,” Jesse said, winking at the barboy, who tried to come closer, to see the one loved by this thin handsome man.

“Yes sir.”

The barboy looked at Mina very hard, but she had turned and he could see only the back. Jesse held his breath. The barboy smiled contemptuously then, a smile that said: You’re insane–I was hired for my beauty. See my chest, look–a pectoral vision. My arms, strong; my lips–come, were there ever such sensuous ones? And you turn me down for this bag of bones .

Jesse winked again, shrugged suggestively and danced his fingers: Tomorrow, my friend, I’m stuck tonight. Can’t help it. Tomorrow.

The barboy grinned and left. In a few moments he returned with the beer. “On the house,” he said, for Mina’s benefit. She turned only when Jesse said, softly:

“It’s all right. He’s gone now.”

Jesse looked at her. Then he reached over and took off the hat. Blond hair rushed out and over the rough shirt.

She grabbed for the hat. “We mustn’t,” she said. “Please–what if somebody should come in?”

“No one will come in. I told you that.”

“But what if? I don’t know–I don’t like it here. That man at the door–he almost recognized me.”

“But he didn’t.”

“Almost though. And then what?”

“Forget it. Mina, for God’s sake. Let’s not quarrel.”

She calmed. “I’m sorry, Jesse. It’s only that–this place makes me feel–“

“–what?”

“Dirty.” She said it defiantly.

“You don’t really believe that, do you?”

“No. I don’t know. I just want to be alone with you.”

Jesse took out a cigarette and started to use the lighter. Then he cursed and threw the vulgarly shaped object under the table and crushed the cigarette. “You know that’s impossible,” he said. The idea of separate Units for homes had disappeared, to be replaced by giant dormitories. There were no more parks, no country lanes. There was no place to hide at all now, thanks to Senator Knudson, to the little bald crest of this new sociological wave. “This is all we have,” Jesse said, throwing a sardonic look around the booth, with its carved symbols and framed pictures of entertainment stars–all naked and leering.

They were silent for a time, hands interlocked on the table top. Then the girl began to cry. “I–I can’t go on like this,” she said.

“I know. It’s hard. But what else can we do?” Jesse tried to keep the hopelessness out of his voice.

“Maybe,” the girl said, “we ought to go underground with the rest.”

“And hide there, like rats?” Jesse said.

“We’re hiding here,” Mina said, “like rats.”

“Besides, Parker is getting ready to crack down. I know, Mina–I work at Centraldome, after all. In a little while there won’t be any underground.”

“I love you,” the girl said, leaning forward, parting her lips for a kiss. “Jesse, I do.” She closed her eyes. “Oh, why won’t they leave us alone? Why? Just because we’re que–“

“Mina! I’ve told you–don’t ever use that word. It isn’t true! We’re not the queers. You’ve got to believe that. Years ago it was normal for men and women to love each other: they married and had children together; that’s the way it was. Don’t you remember anything of what I’ve told you?”

The girl sobbed. “Of course I do. But, darling, that was a long time ago.”

“Not so long! Where I work–listen to me–they have books. You know, I told you about books? I’ve read them, Mina. I learned what the words meant from other books. It’s only been since the use of artificial insemination–not even five hundred years ago.”

“Yes dear,” the girl said. “I’m sure, dear.”

“Mina, stop that! We are not the unnatural ones, no matter what they say. I don’t know exactly how it happened–maybe, maybe as women gradually became equal to men in every way–or maybe solely because of the way we’re born–I don’t know. But the point is, darling, the whole world was like us, once. Even now, look at the animals–“

“Jesse! Don’t you dare talk as if we’re like those horrid dogs and cats and things!”

Jesse sighed. He had tried so often to tell her, show her. But he knew, actually, what she thought.

That she felt she was exactly what the authorities told her she was–God, maybe that’s how they all thought, all the Crooked People, all the “unnormal” ones.

The girl’s hands caressed his arms and the touch became suddenly repungnant to him. Unnatural. Terribly unnatural.

Jesse shook his head. Forget it, he thought. Never mind. She’s a woman and you love her and there’s nothing wrong nothing wrong nothing wrong in that. . . or am I the insane person of old days who was insane because he was so sure he wasn’t insane because–.

“Disgusting!”

It was the fat little man, the smiling masher, E.J. Two Hobart. But he wasn’t smiling now. Jesse got up quickly and stepped in front of Mina. “What do you want? I thought I told you–“

The man pulled a metal disk from his trunks. “Vice squad, friend,” he said. “Better sit down.” The disk was pointed at Jesse’s belly.

The man’s arm went out the curtain and two other men came in, holding disks.

“I’ve been watching you quite a while, mister,” the man said. “Quite a while.”

“Look,” Jesse said, “I don’t know what you’re talking about. I work at Centraldome and I’m seeing Miss Smith here on some business.”

“We know all about that kind of business,” the man said.

“All right–I’ll tell you the truth. I forced her to come here. I–“

“Mister–didn’t you hear me? I said I’ve been watching you. All evening. Let’s go.”

One man took Mina’s arm, roughly; the other two began to propel Jesse out through the club. Heads turned. Tangled bodies moved embarrassedly.

“It’s all right,” the little fat man said, his white skin glistening with perspiration. “It’s all right, folks. Go on back to whatever you were doing.” He grinned and tightened his grasp on Jesse’s arm.

Mina didn’t struggle. There was something in her eyes–it took Jesse a long time to recognize it.

Then he knew. He knew what she had come to tell him tonight: that even if they hadn’t been caught–she would have submitted to the Cure voluntarily. No more worries then, no more guilt. No more meeting at midnight dives, feeling shame, feeling dirt . . .

Mina didn’t meet Jesse’s look as they took her out into the street.

“You’ll be okay,” the fat man was saying. He opened the wagon’s doors. “They’ve got it down pat now–couple days in the ward, one short session with the doctors; take out a few glands, make a few injections, attach a few wires to your head, turn on a machine: presto! You’ll be surprised.”

The fat officer leaned close. His sausage fingers danced wildly near Jesse’s face.

“It’ll make a new man of you,” he said. Then they closed the doors and locked them.

[–]ElysiaCrispata 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't click the link, but I did read it in comment form! Thanks

[–]PatentlyTrue 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

A somewhat better (IMO) short story by Theodore Sturgeon called "The World Well Lost", also about the shittiness of homophobia was published in 1953.

Here's the full story online. I highly recommend just reading the story and not the plot summary on wikipedia.

[–]Smogshaik 2705ポイント2706ポイント  (394子コメント)

Isn't it blatantly obvious what the point of such a story would be?

[–]UnsubstantiatedClaim 2030ポイント2031ポイント  (126子コメント)

Yes, but you see, some assholes are homophobes.

[–]n1n3b0y 640ポイント641ポイント  (75子コメント)

Homophobic? Nah, you're just heterophobic.

-mm

[–]9000_HULLS 220ポイント221ポイント  (64子コメント)

Staring at my jeans watching my genitals bulging

[–]SenselessNoise 130ポイント131ポイント  (63子コメント)

That's my motherfucking balls, you better let go of 'em.

[–]thekillerkrab 106ポイント107ポイント  (61子コメント)

they belong in my scrotum, you'll never get hold of em

[–]dank_memez 89ポイント90ポイント  (57子コメント)

Hey, it's me, Versace! Whoops, somebody shot me!

[–]RifleGun 91ポイント92ポイント  (54子コメント)

And I was just checking the mail. Get it, checking the male?

[–]lFallout 67ポイント68ポイント  (13子コメント)

All these years and I finally understand this at 4 am

[–]lost-trak 34ポイント35ポイント  (5子コメント)

Haha it also relates to how Versace was shot in the front of his house, near the mailbox, therefore "while checking the mail".

[–]Reality_Facade 40ポイント41ポイント  (37子コメント)

How many records you expectin' to sell after your second LP sends you directly to jail?

[–]AerialDawn 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

you're so gay straight!

[–]ArkaJonesie 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

You probably think this song is about you.

[–]RaRaRaV1 115ポイント116ポイント  (14子コメント)

My asshole is definitely not homophobic

[–]jongiplane 124ポイント125ポイント  (12子コメント)

That's funny. My dick isn't homophobic. Maybe we should introduce them sometime.

[–]tunnel-snakes-rule 196ポイント197ポイント  (98子コメント)

I dunno.... it was 1955. It's like with The Twilight Zone. I love that show but 90% of the time, five minutes in I know what the twist or the moral of the story is going to be. Stuff that seems so obvious to us now might not have been as obvious back then.

[–]JustinPA 298ポイント299ポイント  (92子コメント)

It's worth noting that one reason it's so obvious to us now is that the Twilight Zone did it, not that we're so much smarter than those troglodytes in the 60s.

[–]scrantonic1ty 259ポイント260ポイント  (75子コメント)

Yeh, it's like the 'Seinfeld is unfunny' phenomenon. They're the source for all the subsequent tropes and cliches. You can see what's coming because so many others have copied them since.

[–]drackaer 247ポイント248ポイント  (51子コメント)

Read a fellow students paper in college saying that she didn't like Shakespeare because he had too many cliches. I still don't know how to react to that.

[–]fortified_blanket 155ポイント156ポイント  (24子コメント)

Arguably you could review Shakespeare from a modern context and say it's outdated and that you can find the same tales told better in various other mediums to a more engaging extent - and more appropriate to our current world.

She may have had a valid reason to dislike Shakespeare.

[–]DonOntario 67ポイント68ポイント  (3子コメント)

"You have never experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon."

[–]AGVann 58ポイント59ポイント  (13子コメント)

Which is actually a very interesting point, because Shakespeare was absolutely amazing at latching onto the 'human' element of drama, which is almost entirely the reason why his works are still being taught in schools. He is so memorable because he managed to capture the quintessence of human character without turning them into pantomimes or Melodramatic Angst™. Richard III is one of my favourite Shakespearean characters for this reason - he feels 2 dimensional at first, but his villainous shell starts to crumble, ever so slightly, and if you revisit his old monologues with the new insight, it becomes much more muddled and confused and deliciously complex.

[–]Selmer_Sax 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

I greatly prefer shakespeare performed rather than written out, because you can more easily see all those amazing things he did with drama. Just my two cents

[–]AGVann 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, they are meant to be performed, but it becomes an entirely different beast. In a stage production you have other talents adding to the play - the actors performing the lines, the director making artistic decisions, the costuming department, lighting, etc. etc.

In it's written form, it's a pure expression of what ol Billy intended.

[–]-Mountain-King- 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I disagree completely. He was a playwright, he fully intended for his plays to be performed and not read.

[–]JustinPA 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, Kurosawa did Shakespeare best.

[–]DonOntario 45ポイント46ポイント  (8子コメント)

I kept cringing at all the clichés and quotes I'd heard a million times when I watched Casablanca. I had to keep reminding myself that I was only having that reaction because it was such a classic that I'd heard and seen about a thousand quotes, references, homages, and parodies of it before ever watching the original.

[–]babrooks213 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny, I had the opposite reaction. I was incredibly entertained when I watched it, and had a lot of, "Ohh, so THAT'S where that's from" moments. The only thing I couldn't get into was the rampant, casual sexism but that's just an unfortunate reflection of where society was at that time. But otherwise, I found Casablanca to be funny and moving, and I could see why it became a classic.

[–]JermStudDog 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the movie that got me like that was Scarface. I never watched it until like 2010. By that time, it just looked like some low budget action flick that was trying so hard to be good but just wasn't.

Then you realize the reason it looks that way is because it's doing the same thing all the action flicks have done for the past 30 years... but it was made in 1983...

Holy shit they were genius.

[–]frymaster 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Similarly, I found Akira really clichéd, and a friend, on first reading Neuromancer said (fully aware of the actual publishing times) "this is really ripping off the matrix"

[–]Zachys 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Necromancer? You mean Neuromancer?

[–]frymaster 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh God damn autocorrect. Thanks

[–]TehBigD97 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tell her that calling clichés "clichés" is a cliché.

[–]Redditor042 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully with a recommendation that she rewrite her paper.

[–]scrantonic1ty 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please tell me she criticised him for his formulaic narrative structure. I like me some irony.

[–]b1rd 25ポイント26ポイント  (18子コメント)

Eh, I'm gonna go ahead and be a "dislike-hipster" here and let you know that was saying I didn't like Seinfeld back when it was still on the air. I was in the midst of the zeitgeist and aware that they were doing something different, but I dunno. I laughed a few times per episode, but I just always found it so goddamn frustrating that these grown-ass people couldn't get themselves out of these stupid misunderstandings that would take just a few lines of dialogue to fix. Ugh, just communicate like human beings! Stop being so damn neurotic and stubborn! It's not funny to watch such fucked up people, it's just...irritating.

No, I, uh, was not well-received at parties in my youth.

[–]scrantonic1ty 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

You just don't like awkward cringe humour. You wouldn't like Curb Your Enthusiasm, or the kings of dry sarcasm and awkward, UK's Peep Show.

[–]Dear_Occupant 42ポイント43ポイント  (7子コメント)

There's also the fact that people today have consumed about a gazillion times more media than someone of an equivalent age eighty years ago. We've had exposure to thousands more tropes, plot twists, and M. Night Shyamalan films than the people from that time.

[–]coopiecoop 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

also, even to the same media. I mean, several decades ago you might have watched a movie in a movie theatre once. but it took ages until you saw it on tv again (and that's only post-world war. afaik before you didn't see it again unless you paid for another showing in a movie theatre).

[–]MonkeyDCody 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish I could unsee some of those M. night Shyamalan films lol

[–]kane2742 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

Also, the Twilight Zone influenced a lot of other shows, movies, books, etc. (including several Simpsons Treehouse of Horror segments), so you might have already seen the same basic plot of a Twilight Zone episode in another form. It's pretty easy to guess the ending of something if you've already seen an adaptation of it.

[–]Frond_Dishlock 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

As well as that, the Outer Limits was inspiration for many different programs, films, novels, and so on. (encompassing a few individual stories from Futurama's Anthology of Interest shows), so people in general may've previously viewed an identical general storyline from an Outer Limits show in a different configuration. It's fairly simple to predict the denouement of a thing if someone's previously viewed something directly based on that thing.

[–]m1cro83hunt3r 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

True, but a lot of old school science fiction was very repetitive. Tons of "the narrator turns out to be a robot that thought it was human" or "you assumed it was human but it's an alien! Aliens - they're just like us!" x 1,000, aka "the little blue planet they were escaping to was third from the sun, called Earth".

[–]courier1b 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here, the plot twist is that the story was written by the author of 22 episodes of The Twilight Zone.

[–]JitGoinHam 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

He wrote the bulk of the series. Not exactly a lightweight.

[–]zolikk 83ポイント84ポイント  (19子コメント)

The problem is, the people this would be directed at don't buy the argument. If one is convinced with the view that homosexuality is a disorder, "sin" or crime, then Hefner's statement holds absolutely no convincing weight to them.

As in, would you be convinced if someone said "If it is wrong for murderers to persecute non-murderers, then the reverse is wrong too."

Point is, some people just have a shitty moral system basis and it's pointless to argue with them since your arguments go against their morals.

[–]Illogical_Blox 76ポイント77ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't think it was directed at extremists - I think it was directed at the moderates who didn't care enough to mistreat homosexuals, but also didn't care enough to stop their mistreatment,

[–]n3onfx 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's the way I see it too, it's for the people that say "well I'm not gay so I don't really feel concerned anyways". By reversing the roles it allows you to feel more empathy for the heterosexual being persecuted by the homosexual majority since you can relate more easily. And then hopefully make you click on what it's like for them in the current world.

The whole point is to make those "in between" people realize why they should be concerned.

[–]Schnort 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Using murder as a parallel is lousy. Murder has a victim. Something like polygamy would be better., or drug use would be better.

[–]chambertlo 81ポイント82ポイント  (48子コメント)

Society (as a whole) is not as smart as you give them credit for.

[–]calliegrey 56ポイント57ポイント  (44子コメント)

To be honest, I give society a lot of credit, and really just naturally assume people are intelligent, thoughtful creatures. I wish I wasn't proven wrong on a daily basis. It really actually does fuck with my head.

[–]Deandalecc 71ポイント72ポイント  (32子コメント)

You've never worked retail have you?

[–]calliegrey 19ポイント20ポイント  (14子コメント)

Basically the only jobs I've ever had.

[–]Jungle2266 33ポイント34ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't work retail but work around the general public most days in hospitals and such. It's amazing just how moronic some people are, even doctors who can be brilliant at their jobs are confused by the slightest of things out of the ordinary.

Some people just can't think for themselves, we can block off a stairway with hazard barriers and we get people standing by them with blank looks on their faces like they've just shut down, no other thought processes going on other than 'Oh, I can't go this way, what do I do?' We're just like 'Use the other stairs or an elevator maybe?'

On the opposite end of the scale we get people who think they can hop the barriers because they're too important to find another way and end up in wet cement and visibly looking like the gigantic bell ends that they are.

[–]TingTangWallaWallah 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, in the case of the hazard barriers, their neural networking became interrupted like a GPS. They were possibly rerouting themselves, because humans are pattern sensitive. Walking to the stairs was just part of their pattern, and they likely hadn't considered another route until that exact moment. Unless you're directly involved with an activity, part of the brain is on autopilot until it's interrupted.

[–]Curayl 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

I naturally assume people aren't intelligent, thoughtful creatures and I'm still constantly disappointed, I can't even imagine what it's like for you

[–]calliegrey 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha; it can be pretty tough sometimes, tbh, but I have to keep believing that in order to make things worthwhile. lol

[–]Nyrb 46ポイント47ポイント  (16子コメント)

The worlds changed a lot in 60 years man, back then homosexuality was still considered a mental illness, just 20 years ago the idea of gay marriage in America would have been unthinkable.

[–]Redditor042 58ポイント59ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think even ten years ago it was still something people didn't think would be happening anytime soon. I remember in 2005, Massachusetts had just legalized it the year before, and all the other blue states, were toeing the line with "domestic partnerships".

Just these past two years, the acceptance of same sex marriage in the US has gone from 50% to 60%, that's a huge increase! 30 million people!

[–]DONT_PM 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

You have to think that in 10 years a lot of old people have died, and young people have come to age.

This is the thing I think about quite often. I get upset at the fact that old people, who have a complete different mindset, set the tone for how I have to live my life, especially when I (theoretically, and hopefully) have 200- to 500-percent-more lifespan left than (generally speaking) most of them.

[–]asp7 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

we still discriminate against mental illness and other disabilities though

[–]AlRubyx 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

As someone who is mentally ill physically disabled and gay, my mental illness is by far the hardest to deal with and the one I get the least support for. People who are mentally disabled cannot get a job in anything, no matter what. That was being gay 5-10 years ago.

[–]Vermilion 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

People who are mentally disabled cannot get a job in anything, no matter what. That was being gay 5-10 years ago.

There isn't even adequate vocabulary to describe this problem. People mostly seem to just live it out and don't even want to confront it. Trying to point out that the mind is the largest source of division and hate puts people on such defense they just often walk away. Examples like: husband and wife who choose at age 24 but later at age 30 hate that person more than anyone (and falsely say they "love their children" as they poison the very idea that the child can grow up to have their own adult love). Islam perhaps serving as the most spotlighted example - people often of almost identical genetics who murder and attack each other's teaching buildings over how to educate the same book. Homosexuality is just the tip of the iceberg for the mind-hating that people systemically express throughout the planet.

[–]thefran 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

people often of almost identical genetics who murder and attack each other's teaching buildings over how to educate the same book

That's because of the most hated outgroups are the ones closest to us.

What was the Germans' most hated outgroup? What was their greatest ally? White people with German surnames who no one had an idea weren't really German until they ruffled through their genealogy? Or short narrow-eyed non-Aryan people with a completely different culture on the other side of the planet?

[–]10ebbor10 218ポイント219ポイント  (51子コメント)

Only if you do not homosexuality consider an actual serious evil.

A story to illustrate.

How about rather than having an alternate world where straight men are persecuted in a gay world, we'd have a world where the innocent are punished by thieves, murderers and other criminals.

Based on that, you could say that since criminals punishing the innocent is wrong, the reverse is therefore the same.

Obviously, that won't work at a trial.

[–]STEM_logic 232ポイント233ポイント  (5子コメント)

Only if you do not homosexuality consider an actual serious evil.

Are you Yoda?

[–]redditor___ 103ポイント104ポイント  (8子コメント)

We'd have a world where the innocent are punished by thieves, murderers and other criminals.

what a time to be alive

[–]calliegrey 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Has no one seriously pointed out yet that the first sentence of this post takes a couple reads to make sense?

[–]oneinchterror 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

someone did actually. about an hour before your comment

[–]jaunty22 66ポイント67ポイント  (8子コメント)

You said "alternate world", and I'm not sure why.

[–]garybeard 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Persecution - hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs; oppression.

I dont think the definition of persecution actually fits with this idea. You cant be persecuted for commiting actual harm to an individual or society... i may be wrong

Punishment doesnt equal persicution. One is to villify with actual cause, the other is to villify on the basis of ideas or characteristics

[–]bilog78 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

How about rather than having an alternate world where straight men are persecuted in a gay world, we'd have a world where the innocent are punished by thieves, murderers and other criminals.

Well, for starters, the former is a work of fiction, the latter would just be a description of the status quo.

[–]Kaneshadow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It depends on the tone of the story. It could be "put yourself in their shoes, it's bad" but it could also be "fear the revolution my straight male brethren"

[–]sumpuran4 107ポイント108ポイント  (5子コメント)

TIL that Hugh Hefner is really, really old. He was born in 1926.

[–]Smokey651 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

Almost 90? Wow. I figured he was probably ten years younger.

[–]PeperAndSoltIt 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

He lives off of the lifeforce of the playgirls. He also cannot exist outside his mansion.

[–]Lonelan 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Young tang: the fountain of youth

[–]Dr_HQ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He is very healthy for his age. (Honestly having lots of sex might have something to do with it. Sex is healthy, and so it happiness.)

[–]Oznog99 222ポイント223ポイント  (26子コメント)

The modern take: Imagine A World Where Being "Gay" The Norm & Being "Straight" Would Be The Minority! [Short Film]

Mentions that specifically maintaining relations outside of the breeding season is the perverse part. LOL they made an effort to answer the biggest mystery in this hypothetical world, and I applaud them.

[–]TransposableElements 70ポイント71ポイント  (16子コメント)

hmmm.... having a breeding season means everyone would more or less share the same birth-month... I wonder what implications would that be.....

[–]Batsignal_on_mars 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are optimal months to be pregnant/born in, but breeding season would have to be either an entire season, 3 months, or 3+ times a year in order to guarantee an actual pregnancy, due to the odds. You would think it would make more sense for fertilization to be artificial in this case, since it's the same odds with no sex.

[–]LeDankMemester 59ポイント60ポイント  (3子コメント)

Maybe a public holiday based near when alot of birthdays are

[–]kaylin_grey 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

It would be easier to tell if there's any children as a result of heterosexual, actually wanted, sex I'm guessing. Because there's no real need for contraception or abortion methods since the culture goes back thousands of years (bible references). Any accidental children would be born and they'd be outed quickly.

[–]AdagioBoognish 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jeez, as if an accidental pregnancy wasn't scary enough.

[–]kaylin_grey 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

To parallel that in real life, the AIDS panic in the 80s and onwards was pretty scary. The fact that people thought you could only get it if you were gay - and if you did, it was both an outing to the public and a death sentence.

[–]haahaahaa 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like in a society like this, breeding would feel more like an obligation and duty, which might cause Birthdays to hold less value. I bet it becomes a pseudo Christmas like shopping season where all the store look at it as a time where they get most of their sales. Black Friday with baby products instead of shitty tv's

[–]meckthemerc 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we'd see much less of an emphasis on the birthday being "your day". There's a few ways it could go from there, regarding how society would react. (But I'm too lazy to try and think/type all of those possible scenarios) It'd be interesting to see.

[–]TudorGothicSerpent 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

The original answers the question, too. It's set in a society where people are raised in tanks, like in Brave New World. Actually, the whole things gives off a BNW vibe. It's not very creative or good; the importance is in how subversive it was in the middle of the 20th century.

[–]motherweirdo 91ポイント92ポイント  (23子コメント)

The only thing I'll miss about classic Playboy are the interviews. John Mayer's was the one that made him realize he's not funny.

[–]_DEAL_WITH_IT_ 31ポイント32ポイント  (11子コメント)

He did reveal that having sex with Jessica Simpson is sexual napalm, if you didn't suspect already.

[–]Codetornado 28ポイント29ポイント  (9子コメント)

He means the burning feeling never goes away.

I don't know who she is...

[–]_DEAL_WITH_IT_ 28ポイント29ポイント  (8子コメント)

[–]steepgrade 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

She always had big tatas. Her father once said she had a hard time making it in the Christian music industry because her boobs made men "uncomfortable".

[–]DeltaJuliett 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well I saw him do multiple interviews and masterclasses. It seems like he has a very dry sense of humor. I like that

[–]cebjmb 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

The title makes it sound like he wrote the short story--he just published it.

[–]Dillno 153ポイント154ポイント  (11子コメント)

To be fair, anyone who makes headlines will get hate mail from somewhere..

[–]clumberpie 96ポイント97ポイント  (10子コメント)

What a ridiculous statement. I'll be sending you penis pics now.

[–]gbiota1 182ポイント183ポイント  (19子コメント)

I really feel like Hugh Hefner gets a bad rap. He likes traditional ideas about beauty, but maybe, just maybe, the persistent themes across the world and throughout history are a sign that it is less than arbitrary what interests men. The notion of "consenting adults" goes a long way with me, and I think the whole notion of people being victimized because we can "harbor opinions we have never thought and don't know about, or feelings we have never felt and can't recognize" could be due for some review.

I'm not a historian on the guy or anything, and if someone dug up some terrible dirt on him, I probably wouldn't be prepared to write it off, but his attitudes about gays and minorities are pretty well known. He refused to attend events in the 50's where blacks weren't allowed in through the front, he treated everyone as an equal decades before civil rights. He's a man who lived his own life on his own terms, and endured a lot of criticism for the crime of paying women to take scandalous pictures, that almost everyone wanted to see anyway.

When I see stuff like this, I'm just not surprised.

[–]IrishBrian420 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was also one of the first club owners to book black comedians and actually pay them the same as white performers. Hugh Hefner is a good guy in my book.

[–]goldishblue 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

Traditional ideas about beauty. He loves plastic bimbos. Holly Madison herself said he called her an old, cheap whore when she cut her hair short. She finally realized he is an old, sexist man with a huge infereriority complex.

Not to mention that he gave the girls qualuudes because they "open up legs." What about the rapes at the mansion? Bravo for Hefner?!

[–]Levimosa 287ポイント288ポイント  (29子コメント)

I can already hear those people go "BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT".

ಠ_ಠ

[–]PhazonZim 99ポイント100ポイント  (11子コメント)

And 60 years later, the line hasn't changed at all. When anti-gay marriage arguments are paired up with identical anti-interracial arguments that were used back then the answer is "this is different!"

[–]flimsy_evidence 71ポイント72ポイント  (31子コメント)

Wouldn't it be great if Hefner was gay and all those centerfolds were just beards?

[–]6FeetBeneathTheMoon 48ポイント49ポイント  (26子コメント)

He's said he's had homosexual relations before.

[–]ClickHereForBacardi 31ポイント32ポイント  (25子コメント)

Kinda frustrating that the article words it "experimented in bisexuality". It's absolutely fine to try whatever and figure out "okay, not what I'm into" but to bisexual people, treating it as a fetish continues to be a problem.

[–]redfox2go 28ポイント29ポイント  (13子コメント)

That's always irritated me too. People still see bisexuality is opportunistic behaviour. It boggles the mind.

I remember seeing a reddit discussion break out a couple of years ago where a group of the users had pretty much determined amongst themselves that persecuting homosexuality was wrong, but bisexuals were lacking in standards.

I wonder if any bisexuals just pretend to be one way or the other just avoid being judged.

[–]InstantFennec 26ポイント27ポイント  (8子コメント)

Biphobia is exactly why so many bi people stay in the closet.

[–]sheephound 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

in the closet.

That's a weird one for me, personally. I don't think I've ever made a post about my sexuality on, like, Facebook or something. I just don't think it's something I should draw attention to. I don't feel like bisexuality is something that's persecuted, or that I've really ever had to endure anything like what a homosexual person has... So, I mean, why crow about it? That, and I don't see it as something that's wrapped up around my identity.

[–]Anzi 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not necessarily pretend, but maybe don't go out of the way to self-identify. I'm female and married to a man now, but for a time I was married to a woman. For people that know me now it's understandable for them to assume I'm straight. I have to decide carefully who I tell about my last marriage because some people just nod and move on, while others then demand that I answer a thousand follow-up questions like "but how did that work?". I'm also making the choice not to have children and get a million questions about that too. Apparently just living my life in a way that suits me and my loved ones is incomprehensible and must be challenged. It's very tiring at times.

[–]ariebvo 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bringing overcompensating to a whole new level.

[–]ExceedsTheCharacterL 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kind of like the Twilight zone episode, where beautiful people are persecuted in an ugly world.

[–]TurquoiseWolf 308ポイント309ポイント  (417子コメント)

We still have a long way to go as a society to accept those no matter their gender, skin color or sexual preference.

[–]ARedWerewolf 355ポイント356ポイント  (371子コメント)

We had Gay Pride in Atlanta a few weeks ago (?time frame is off for me) and I had not one but two old couples call and cancel their reservations at my hotel bc they

Didn't want to be anywhere near all those queers.

Ridiculous.

[–]Baconwich 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hah, we got a call like that just before Pride. Someone trying to make sure we wouldn't have any gay people here.

The look on my coworkers face as she tried to think of how to respond to that was priceless.

[–]ARedWerewolf 92ポイント93ポイント  (2子コメント)

Simple:

Ma'am, we *will** have guests that weekend. I am unsure of their sexuality because that is not my business to know. If you'd like to cancel your reservation, that will be fine but I will still charge you for one night bc it's within our 48 hour cancelation policy.*

[–]Nick700 458ポイント459ポイント  (247子コメント)

Well gay pride parades can be obscene and harmful to their image

[–]Nowin 272ポイント273ポイント  (181子コメント)

Yeah, not going to lie, but some of the people in those pride parades think the only way to show pride is through me seeing one's penis.

[–]turroflux 218ポイント219ポイント  (175子コメント)

While I don't agree with going full stripper mode during Pride, you realize the entire point of Pride is that the person doesn't care what you're thinking, or if you agree or disagree, it's essentially a "fuck you society" parade.

Also very, very few parades will have fully naked people, or allow them even, the worst you'll get is attractive guys in speedos, which isn't any worse than Mardi Gras honestly.

[–]sonofaresiii 324ポイント325ポイント  (52子コメント)

it's essentially a "fuck you society" parade.

and here i was thinking it was a parade to celebrate pride in one's homosexuality

silly me

[–]turroflux 158ポイント159ポイント  (40子コメント)

A large part of pride, especially when it's for something formally deemed bad by society, is rejecting the opinions of society, so you can take personal pride in yourself without worrying about what the rest of society thinks or wants.

It's not a strange concept, you can't be confident enough to have pride in anything if you are hung up on every nay-sayer.

You're forgetting the context of pride, which is to serve as a way to show queer people struggling with them selves that they don't need to hide or be ashamed. The more garish and in your face the show, the harder it is to miss and ignore. It was never about showing up straight people, or making them uncomfortable, they aren't a consideration.

[–]pbmummy 35ポイント36ポイント  (9子コメント)

It was never about showing up straight people, or making them uncomfortable, they aren't a consideration.

I don't buy this. They wouldn't be so garish if they didn't know that it was outside social norms, a gay man or woman is not garish by nature, they respond that way to flout oppression. They're fully aware of whose hackles they're raising and that's sort of the point.

[–]elastic-craptastic 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've been to the parade in SF, Boston, and New Orleans(I think... long time ago) I only saw a couple floats that were a it too over the top with sexual "suggestion"... and they just had strap-ons.

It's some of the crowd that gathers that makes it uncomfortable for some of the bystanders. The "clothes" some people chose to go out in would easily get many in trouble for indecent exposure. Otherwise it's always a great party and, depending where you work, a great excuse to be late.

[–]turroflux 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because for the most part the parades are tame as hell, yet straight guys, who have likely never been to a parade, seem to know all about them, their purpose, their effect on society and what they should be doing to appease them.

[–]Quickjager 34ポイント35ポイント  (49子コメント)

Yea but how are people who don't care about the parade enough to research it supposed to know if the people participating in it are tasteful or assholes?

I mean when people hear Pride Parade they think leather chaps.

[–]2fists1anus 111ポイント112ポイント  (29子コメント)

Aaand here it is.

Which prides have you been to that are obscene? Chipotle, Chase Bank, Target and Hillary Clinton have floats at gay pride NYC. Churches have floats ffs. Gay pride parades are extremely corporate and family friendly these days. And smaller ones are almost always just families.

A few topless greased up men in short shorts dancing on a vodka float? Is that what you consider obscene? Or did you just wander into the Folsom Street Fair and attribute that to gay pride?

[–]aquagirl224 71ポイント72ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well pride in SF this year had a lot of guys with their pierced dicks out wearing assless chaps and walking their subs on leashes, but that's basically normal fare for a Tuesday in some parts of the city so....

[–]ichliebekuchen 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

The nyc parade is a bit different to the sf parade from what I've seen.

[–]xiccit 21ポイント22ポイント  (12子コメント)

Haha nope. Been to many prides. Seen many a dick. I fully support their cause, but its not uncommon to see a dick or two. ( or 50)

That being said, everyone should GTF over it.

[–]todaysoundsgood 45ポイント46ポイント  (24子コメント)

This is such stupid nonsense and it gets tiresome to correct and it's amazing it still gets upvoted. At the pride parades I attend in Seattle & Vancouver there is everything from blatant corporate co-opting by national banks to mild displays of toned guys in their briefs dancing around having fun. In Vancouver attendance is like 500,000 and every walk of life and absolutely no fucking harm done. I have no idea about NYC, CHI or Toronto but imagine it's just the same. It's amazing the prudes on the internet vs real life

[–]redditorsaredaf 59ポイント60ポイント  (18子コメント)

it's funny because they're only prudish about homosexual displays of sexuality. if it were women dancing around in lingerie in the streets they would be applauding it

[–]CodeJack 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Their gay radiation may come through the windows

[–]kittymcmeowmeow 44ポイント45ポイント  (22子コメント)

I don't know man. I was in SF like 5 years ago during a pride thing. Dicks flopping everywhere and tons of people in full bandage gear. One guy was walking around with a butt plug in. I supported gay rights then and I still do now, but that whole deal was pretty traumatic. I can understand why people would want to stay away

Edit: bondage not bandage. Like body tape, gag balls ect.

[–]geekygirl23 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Traumatic?

Anyhow, SF is it's own world in a lot of ways.

[–]HereComesBadNews 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dicks flopping everywhere and tons of people in full bandage gear. One guy was walking around with a butt plug in.

Not to be rude, but are you sure you were watching the regular Pride festivities? This sounds more like an off-shoot of Pride festivities, like Folsom.

[–]HostileIguana 24ポイント25ポイント  (40子コメント)

Good. I'm sure the people who go to pride parades don't want old bigots like them around anyway.

[–]KCMkeez 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Maybe I'm being pessimistic but sadly I believe it's against human nature

[–]janksnake 22ポイント23ポイント  (16子コメント)

It's sad how long everyone takes, and also amazing how people manage to not grasp the basic concept behind all of this. Example - by and large, gay people are not the terrifying poofpocalypse everyone was worrying about 30 years ago, and most people certainly won't be caught giving someone shit on reddit simply because they're gay (yes I know there are a multitude of exceptions but it is becoming far, FAR less acceptable). So the biggots have mostly moved on, but somehow it's perfectly ok to give Transgender people shit now? like, OK OK, DUDES PLAYING WITH EACH OTHERS BALLS MIGHT NOT END THE WORLD BUT THIS WHOLE FLUID GENDER THING - OMG IT STILL DOESN'T AFFECT ME AT ALL BUT THIS, THIS IS WHERE I DRAW THE LINE!

[–]ahamsterdancing 16ポイント17ポイント  (11子コメント)

It doesn't help that people base their idea of fluid gender off of tumblr. That way you would probably think it's all a joke, a feminist agenda to bring everyone to the "dark side". But meet someone who is transsexual in real life, you'd find those people are not out there to destroy your heterosexuality, they have serious issues with acceptance, which is why the idea "we should have straight parades too then" is so idiotic. I personally would have nothing against people celebrating their sexuality regardless of the type, but a straight parade would most likely be attended by people, who find homosexuality disgusting.

[–]AloftMD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The difference is that transgender people actually require surgery to be their "normal" selves. That raises questions of medical necessity. What science do we really have supporting this treatment? It looks very slim.

Additionally, we have many cases of biological men sharing locker rooms with young women, due to "identifying" as a woman. Obviously that leaves a lot of people dissatisfied. When it comes to physical issues, it matters more what your actual gender is, rather than your identified gender.

[–]Spacegod87 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know if it's just me. But a story like that says to me that Hefner was just trying to understand what gay men have to deal with. Like he was putting himself in their position. I think it's great.

[–]Mr_d_williams 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well rumours have it, that when Hugh has his play evenings with his close bunnies, he actually has gay porn playing on the screen. There's a book about this, can't remember where I've read it. He's definitely interested in guys or has been.

[–]Patricktherowbot 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

I agree with the sentiment, but couldn't you use a variation of this story to oppose literally any behavior?

In a world where most people believe murdering the weak is a civic duty, they imprison the people who won't murder. Is this wrong? Well then it must be wrong to imprison murderers!

It makes a nice statement, but I really hope nobody would ever be swayed by the logic behind it.

[–]TheChileanWay 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what you get for not using "/s" at the end of the book.

[–]omgnodoubt 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've always been saying people who are more comfortable and open to talk about sex are usually more level headed when it comes to social equality.

[–]GreenGlassDrgn 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just read that story over the summer in a book called "Playboy Collection of Fantasy and Science Fiction" - quite possibly one of the best books/collections I've read in a long time - apparently I do read playboy for the articles!

[–]Churba 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's another collection or two of their fiction, if you can find them. Amazon probably has them, at a guess.

Seriously, Playboy Fiction's author list reads like a who's who of legendary modern authors.

[–]IAMhonka 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Clad in goldsequined trunks, his greased muscles seemed to roll in independent motion, like fat snakes beneath his naked skin."

I don't know what I expected, but it wasn't that.

[–]RevoltOfTheBeavers 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This comment we'll probably be buried, but this is the exact subject of a hilarious, yet ultimately unsuccessful, musical "Zanna, Don't!" by one of the guys who wrote Birdman. If you like the concept, but hate Hefner's execution, you might enjoy this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanna,_Don%27t!

[–]dufus69 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you look at Hef and you see the parody of a Playboy. He's a superficial little old man forced into absurdity by the fact that he outlived a public image he refused to outgrow.

But, he was an important contributor to the popular culture and he was usually on the right side of social issues.