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[–]TotesMessenger 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]NathanHawks[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]AndyBea 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I believe that any Israeli who chooses to be a settler in the occupied territories should automatically be termed a belligerent

Well said.

Not only that, but if they coerce their children to live in the West Bank (or in occupied Jerusalem) then those kiddies, 100s of 1000s of them, become human shields.

Under Israeli rules, those kiddies have no legal protection from being murdered.

[–]NathanHawks[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

While your comment feels very snarky, it's not any Palestinian's fault that Israeli settlers do effectively use their status as a family unit, to shield themselves from retaliation -- both actually, by putting them there, and rhetorically, by saying "we had babies on this land, how dare you" --- all the while ignoring, very deliberately, the fact that Palestine has babies too.

Snark intended or not, the situation needs to be equalized, for starters. Israeli aggressors should no longer be able to use their babies as offensive shielding.

[–]AndyBea 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What is snarky about calling out disgusting racist squatters?

What is snarky about describing 100s of 1000s of their kids as "human shields"?

[–]NathanHawks[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The bit about "coercing" their children was the part that sounded snarky... just saying it sounded snarky, but I admit I'm expecting every tactic, whether that's what you're up to, or not. Yknow how it must be for someone defending Palestine with rhetoric... you have to be able to see the Global Language Dictionary-wielders, coming. Sometimes false positives happen.

Typically children don't need to be "coerced" to feel as if the house they have known their whole tiny life is home. And bringing the childrens' feelings into the matter is a usual tactic for attempting to lead the conversation into an appeal for emotion.

Meanwhile, this preempts such a hypothetical appeal to emotion:

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/valiant-unimaginable-children

[–]housebuye 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Would you feel the same about Israelis living in Golan?

[–]daudder 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

How are they different?

[–]NathanHawks[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, of course. The Syrians have as much right to self-determination as the Palestinians. Genie Energy (a joint Israel/Dick Cheney landgrabbing energy company) is clearly pleased that nobody is talking much about Golan, so to that extent, thanks. But I don't differentiate between any of the lands outside the Green Line.

[–]Thunder-Road -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you were to ask most "Syrians" (in quotes because they identify primarily as Druze) whether or not want the land returned to Syria, they would look at you like you're crazy. So indeed if they have the right so self-determination, the Golan must be recognized as part of Israel. It is very different from the OPT.

[–]NathanHawks[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you're saying they all really want to live like this?

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/valiant-unimaginable-children

Nothing pro-Israel is likely to be tolerated here, FYI.

Or the joke version: "right, everybody in the Middle East is DYING to be part of Israel nowadays..."

Get it?

Get it?

[–]Thunder-Road -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't want to live like that and they in fact don't live like that. Gaza is hugely different from the Golan. But don't take my word for it. Go there and ask them yourself if they'd rather be part of Israel or Syria.

Edit: You know it's bad reddiqette to downvote people you disagree with.

[–]AndyBea -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Israelis living in the Golan are directly equivalent to Germans who might have moved into Poland after September 3rd 1939.

Legally and morally - no different.

[–]NathanHawks[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

(I'm still hoping for a follow-up from you on this despite the downvotes...I upvoted)

[–]NathanHawks[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you follow this up with any pointers to decisions of international law that came to address this? My head is a chaosium, I'm way better with facts than citations.