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Australia actually declares ‘war’ on cats, plans to kill 2 million by 2020 (washingtonpost.com)

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[–]tangibleheights 356ポイント357ポイント  (68子コメント)

They are endangering the ecosystem.

This isn't a decision they are making for shits and giggles. The cats are genuinely a problem for the regional wildlife.

[–]green_flash [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

The problem is even worse in New Zealand where most animals are not used to there being any predator species at all. That's why they have many flightless birds who have over time forgotten how to fly and tend to build their nests on the ground instead.

[–]KingTostada [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can't imagine that

[–]MadMan2012 [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Cat's are a danger to the world's ecosystem, they have already been linked to extinctions of many types of small birds and rodents.

[–]FailureToReport [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

NO! THIS IS REDDIT! CATS ARE PRICELESS TREASURES NO MATTER WHAT!

In all seriousness, this topic has come up so many times and I'm honestly glad they are doing it and there's nothing the cat army of reddit can do, because it needs to be fucking done.

[–]WildBTK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Humans are a danger to the world's ecosystem, they have already been linked to extinctions of many species of flora and fauna throughout the world.

FTFY

Humans are many orders of magnitude more destructive than cats could ever be.

[–]The_Intense_Pickle [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The biggest problem is that most cats have had their shots, so they are resistant to a lot of diseases that would normally affect them. They also live longer and more kittens.

[–]Arizhel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Properly cared-for housecats are all neutered, so reproduction shouldn't be a problem. With wild cats like this, however, that's not the case.

[–]DeFex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

properly cared-for housecats are not alowed to roam outside.

[–]Xboxben [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But what about the cars killing giant rat plagues ?

[–]newtotheearth [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The humans are.

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    [–]honestly_NOT_a_Pedo 117ポイント118ポイント  (12子コメント)

    It's the Great Emu War all over again...

    [–]Arfmeow 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

    My Great Grand Father served in The Great Emu War. He only served for a day at The Battle of Tree on Hill and then I was born.

    [–]atakagi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    My Great Grand Father served in The Great Emu War

    I'm sorry, that just sounds hilarious.

    [–]havebananas 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

    If they couldn't take down emus then the cats are gonna rek them.

    [–]ishiggydiggydowop 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Have you seen an emu in person? It's easy to laugh until you come face to face with a 6ft emu that's sprinting at you like you just stomped on it's offspring.

    [–]havebananas 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    They had machine guns on the back of trucks and shot at the emus from a distance. It wasn't hand to hand combat.

    [–]Yaver_Mbizi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree. Surely the Cat Khanate is no match for the Emu Empire.

    [–]Shirinator 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well, how many times can Australia lose all it's dignity in war?

    [–]cypherreddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    They should build a fence to contain these cats

    [–]sweepminja 45ポイント46ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Cats are very efficient carnivores and can adapt to survive almost anywhere on earth. I love cats but, they are an invasive species when feral in most areas.

    edit:clarification

    [–]Yoni676 64ポイント65ポイント  (37子コメント)

    Do they have a stray cats problem in Australia?

    We have it here in Israel, I was used to seeing so many stray cats in the streets but then I went to Europe and they had like zero cats on the streets.

    Then I realized we have so many cats, like an absurd amount...

    As I've understood it's probably because we had a rat problem, so they released many cats and now we have a cats problem...

    [–]soggyindo 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not in cities. These have escaped to the millions of square kilometers of the outback and are now completely wild, living off of native species. They kill many millions of endangered animals each night.

    [–]backtowriting 30ポイント31ポイント  (8子コメント)

    There's a metaphor in there somewhere for the entire Israel-Palestinian conflict.

    [–]PuffaloSoldier 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Cat and mouse but the cat has nukes but doesn't admit it and is given 3 billion a year by the the US and does lots of shady shit but the mouse isn't above terrorism and human shields

    [–]Yoni676 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Holy shit haha

    [–]backtowriting 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well, I can tell you that I did know one Israeli professor who apparently fed all the stray cats and whose place was always overrun by felines. So you can blame her for Israel's cat problem.

    [–]LascielCoin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    We had them in Europe too, but in the past 10 years or so, there has been a huge effort to catch stray cats, spay/neuter them and release them back. So they got to live the rest of their lives in peace, but they didn't reproduce.

    I live in a pretty small town and we used to have a ton of stray cats hanging around the fishing boats and areas where cat ladies regularly fed them. Now, I keep seeing the same few cats around the whole town. Haven't seen a kitten on the street in years.

    If you find a stray cat, the government pays for its sterilization, so you can just take it to the vet and get it done for free. It works great.

    [–]garybeard [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Doesnt work because the problem isnt in cities. Its literally out in the bush where the only people are sparsley populated farmers. The cats hunt and kill animals in our eco system pushing cute little critters like the bilby to the brink of extinction.

    Photo of bilby for reference http://www.murweh.qld.gov.au/image/image_gallery?uuid=0449ca2d-fab1-47fb-bbe2-dba18d48ecca&groupId=17328&t=1264988983269

    [–]Arizhel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    We've done the same in a lot of places in the US. It's called "TNR" - trap, neuter, release. Feral cats tend to form colonies and stake out territory. When you just kill them, other feral cats fill the void left. But when you neuter and put them back, they prevent other feral cats from taking that territory, and eventually die out without leaving any heirs.

    [–]crhelix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Neutering them is a good option. Usually they cut part of the ear off so it's easy to see which have been treated and which ones haven't.

    [–]montezume [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Have you been to Turkey / Istanbul? There are stray cats all over. They are super cute too, especially at the historic sites...

    [–]Yoni676 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Have been to Turkey 3 times, awesome place, awesome people, many cats.

    [–]ericbyo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Greece has a weird thing for cats, they will straight up jump on your restaurant table and try to get your food

    [–]MyinnerGoddes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Lol that's kinda like new new-york in futurama where they had a pigeon problem in the city so they released a bunch of owls to hunt the pigeons and now new new-york has an owl problem.

    [–]strl -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    ?

    Dude, what are you talking about, cats are indigenous to the area. The problems we have with cats are in cities because we didn't bother neutering them until a few years ago and even so it's done halfheartedly.

    The ecological problems with the house cat are simply because there are too many that escape to the wild and they breed/compete with the local wildcats, they also increase artificially the number of predators. This is a far cry from the Australian problem because, like I said, they are indigenous and the ecosystem is "used" to cats. I don't think that cats are even within our top ten ecological problems.

    [–]Yoni676 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I had no idea how it is in Australia, thought it's th same as it is here, was said it's not. That's it, i'm no cat expert.

    [–]strl 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Ah, in Australia the problem is that they are non-native so when they escape to the wild the local animals don't know how to deal with them and they essentially destroy the ecosystem.

    לא אישי אחי.

    [–]Arizhel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    The ecological problems with the house cat are simply because there are too many that escape to the wild and they breed/compete with the local wildcats,

    This is why people are supposed to neuter their housecats. It's also why in many places (like every place in the US I've ever seen), you're simply not allowed to adopt a cat until it's been neutered.

    [–]strl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    You're right, but like I said, they aren't such a serious problem in Israel. Our birds are more endangered by foreign birds that escaped to the wild like Draras and other Indian birds.

    [–]HenryM93 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Thats awesome, I live in the north of England and I often see stray cats, there's even one who hangs out outside my house and comes inside sometimes.

    [–]j-sap 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That crazy cat lady is willing to adopt them all.

    [–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Meowschwitz.

    [–]skrolls 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

    There's no logical reason to keep them alive when they're pushing endemic species to the brink of extinction. Let's hope Australia gets them all.

    [–]Chumpo121 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The Australian Army sit and reflect. This is their time, the moment of redemption. Emu's are emu's, but these are cats. Surely their firepower will overcome these small four legged creatures.

    Emu War never forget.

    [–]Thpthezone 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Does that mean they'll have 18 million lives on their hands or 222 222?

    [–]everyonecallsmekev [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    If you pop them with a .222 they run out of lives real quick in my experience

    [–]ruk_hai 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Good, these animals were introduced to an ecosystem in which they do not belong by humans. It is our responsibility to remove them from this ecosystem in order to protect the native species.

    [–]noorex [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Here's a thought experiment: Apply that argument to humans taking over places on our earth where animals have lived freely on their own, omnipotently deciding who gets to stay and who's doomed for extinction.

    How does that fit into your theory?

    [–]ruk_hai [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    What are you trying to say? We should stop conservation efforts because humans did a lot of damage?

    [–]TATANE_SCHOOL [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    How does it add to the discussion?

    [–]TommyFive [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    We're not animals living freely on our own, seeking to survive, procreate and spread our territory like every other animal?

    We're not just an influential controller in the ecosystem of life, we are a living part of it. We just happen to be smarter and more adaptive than the others we share this planet with. Human cities are every bit as naturally forming as ant colonies.

    We have the intelligence to recognize that we did something that changed the ecosystem for the worse by introducing this species into the wild, so we are correcting that mistake. Hopefully this happens more often than it does now.

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      [–]WingsLionsTigers 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      We have feral cats near my work and they breed like crazy. They've been there about 2 years and one female cat has had at least 10-15 babies. The city actually had to come out and remove a lot of the cats but they didn't get all of them so they bounced right back. They make a lot of babies and in the wild they kill an insane amount of birds and small mammels to feed themselves, if to many cats are in one location it could devastate the ecosystem there. They should have just done this under the radar, it will upset some people obviously but it has to be done, people freaking out about this need to understand there is a difference between these feral cats and their house cats.

      [–]Arizhel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      The city actually had to come out and remove a lot of the cats but they didn't get all of them so they bounced right back.

      That's why that approach doesn't work. You're supposed to do TNR - trap, neuter, release. Your city is run by morons. In places where they do TNR, they don't have this problem: the sterile cats prevent the population from expanding, and eventually they just die out.

      I can't speak to whether TNR is a better approach for the Outback, however, but in US cities and the like, it is, and it's been proven so over and over.

      [–]-loveheart- 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      pack them off to Nauru

      [–]SonOfAnarchy22 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      It is sick how passionate people are about cats in this thread.

      They are not culling them for entertainment, they are being culled so they don't make over animals go extinct.

      The world has plenty of damn Cats but we don't not enough Koalas and Platypus's, and if these stray feral cats aren't culled we will be looking at a mini mass extinction in Australia.

      Get a grip people.

      [–]scuba_duba_du [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Agreed. Even here in the US. On my friend's street, there are like 10 stray cats always around. It doesn't help that people feed them, even my friends dumb wife. Then they leave hairballs and dead birds all over his porch.

      [–]Retrorat [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      So here I was thinking the comments on the Washington Post would have an iota of intelligence about them.

      Turns out I was wrong.

      Why do people think Trap-Neuter-Release is an acceptable fix?

      We don't want to control the feral cat population, we want to end it. Just because you've cut a cats ball off doesn't mean it stops killing everything it can find for the rest of its life. It's just a killing machine that doesn't have any balls.

      And the whole wankish debate about humans being responsible for animals shit. Yes, we actually know that part. We're trying to prevent the extinction of hundreds of native species by an invader we brought with us. How is that bad?

      If we can't kill anything, I guess if we ever make a mistake we should just sit back and let everything go to hell around us because apparently, taking steps to right wrongs is morally reprehensible.

      The Australian Government isn't barging into everyones homes and slaughtering little girls pet kittens, and anyone who says they are can go to hell.

      [–]Arizhel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      TNR is meant for cities, not the Australian Outback. I have no idea how well it'd work there, if at all.

      TNR works because if you just kill the feral cats (in a city), they leave a void (since cats are territorial) and other feral cats just reproduce and fill the void, so you don't reduce the population. If you neuter them and put them back, they keep that territory and keep other younger cats from moving in, and eventually they die off, but not before exerting population pressure and keeping the overall reproduction rate down. TNR is used in cities (at least in the US, where I've seen it done) because it works, and because culling apparently doesn't. Now maybe that's because no one has bothered to simply mass-exterminate cats in cities, but that isn't really practical because a lot of them are peoples' pets and you'd have serious political problems if you just sent animal catchers all over looking for stray cats, and ended up catching a lot of peoples' pets. In the Outback, that's not a factor since there aren't supposed to be any outdoor cats there at all.

      [–]sheepinabowl 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is old news and clickbait, just sayin.

      [–]eatnerdlove 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Remember how that war on emus went?

      [–]gtfo_mailman 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This sounds much worse than it is

      [–]ElleRisalo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hahaha its the Emu war all over again!

      [–]mrdarrenh 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well, if it's like most government "wars on something", Australia will have twice as many cats in 2020.

      [–]Octuplex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Just tell them to give PETA a call. They'd have it all sorted in a week and a half.

      [–]garybeard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      OPI love how this blew up in your face because you didnt understand what you were getting outraged about. There is no practical solution to house 2 million or so feral cats that dont live in populated areas but rather run free and kill millions of other native animals, which is collapsing our ecosytems.

      [–]HelloImadinosaur [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      First emus, then cats. Oh, Australia!

      [–]sawu101 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Why are people hating on cats, first you people love em now you want em dead

      [–]RevolutionaryNews [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      According to one estimate, the roughly 20 million cats in Australia kill roughly 75 million native animals a day.

      Holy fuck, how many animals are there in the country that they aren't all dead yet.

      [–]KeepingItSurreal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Good. If only America had the balls to cull feral cats like this.

      [–]TheBananaKing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Good.

      As a (rescue, indoor-only) cat owner, I have nothing but approval for this measure.

      Our wildlife isn't equipped to deal with predators. Feral cats lay waste to native fauna, and they need to be exterminated.

      [–]SkyrimLifedoe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Take that reddit.

      [–]SketchBoard 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      They could put bounties on the cats like they did emus.

      The resulting PR fallout would be interesting to watch at least.

      [–]pescador7 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      People would start breeding cats to sell.

      [–]nioki23 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Humans are doing the most ecological harm to the planet.

      [–]velvta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Go cats. Defeat Australia.

      [–]MadMan2012 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Good, can we do the same in the USA or are we just accepting what this invasive and aggressive species is doing to the ecosystem?

      [–]pants_face [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      The front page post the other day of someone bragging about feeding feral cats pissed me off. One day we'll realize birds no longer live in north America and wonder where they went.

      [–]Arizhel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      In intelligently-run cities in the US, we do trap/neuter/release. It keeps them from breeding so fast and then they eventually die out because they're sterile. Cats in the wild don't live that long anyway, usually about 2 years.

      Of course, what'll probably happen in many places is they're refuse to adopt a strategy that's proven to work, and keep doing something that's proven not to work, and then they'll sit around and bitch about cats. Humans are remarkably stupid and unable to learn from experience or evidence.

      [–]woyteck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Fuck yeah! I can sign under this with my both hands and feet. Bird killers. They shit everywhere, which is not their own area.

      [–]georglukacs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Wish they'd kill mine. Can't get rid of the fleas. Driving' me nuts. But I do lov'im.

      [–]thecubcaller [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      These feral cats are bloody big as well. Some of them the same size as foxes, if not bigger.

      [–]velvta [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      So these are actually domesticated cats that have gone wild? OMFG!

      [–]semnotimos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Bring back the Thylacine to compete with the cats.

      [–]JohnnyOnslaught [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      If I've learned anything from Dwarf Fortress, it's that it is too late. The cats have taken owners and they'll continue to procreate until Australia is nothing but cats and masterwork mugs.

      [–]Ranqs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Survival of the fittest, cats are on their way to world domination.

      [–]bimbamboozlebird [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I wonder how many pizzas 4chan will be sending them.

      [–]BonRennington [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Finally, a war I can get behind.

      [–]crhelix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Neuter them all. Otherwise other wild cats will just fill the territory they left behind.

      [–]epikpepsi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      After the Emu War, I'm not at all surprised.

      [–]Alarmed_Ferret [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Isn't this how the bubonic plague started? Suddenly flea infested rats weren't being killed by the cats.

      [–]_Perfectionist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I hope cats rule Australia.

      [–]MitchRogers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Those feral cats came from somewhere. They were originally bred by humans. So a little while after you cull millions of cats, guess what? You get a million more.

      [–]Squorn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      The last time Australia declared war on a particular animal, they lost.

      [–]magpietongue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I understand the necessity of this action, but I really hope this culling is done cleanly and smoothly. Killing things by baiting them and by shooting them doesn't sound even remotely humane.

      [–]DeFex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      if you live somewhere cats are not native, keep them inside. they are one of the most destructive invasive species besides humans, sparrows, pigeons, rats, etc.

      [–]lifti89 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      if you live somewhere cats are not native, keep them inside. they are one of the most destructive invasive species besides humans.

      [–]wicro 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If this turns out to be anything like the Great Emu War then they might not as well bother.

      [–]soggyindo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yes yes, we've all read that TIL and read that joke already.

      [–]Nuti -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They will lose this war aswell.

      [–]ManualNarwhal -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      The three most destructive things colonists brought with them, in order, were rats, cats, gats, and spats.

      [–]bodenplukt -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      also frats and tats.

      [–]alekzander01 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What's with Australia and waging war on fauna

      They tried to cull Emus, sharks, and now cats?

      [–]Gus-Man 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The cats thing is kinda justified cause the cats are currently killing everything else.

      [–]babamcrib [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Well, over the last year Aussie iron exports to China have been down sharply......

      [–]MacDresGhost -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Meowch!

      [–]goostman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Cats are pointless. If an American candidate for president announced he was killing all cats, I would vote for them immediately.

      [–]Abandon-All-Hope -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The internet will take this well, I'm sure.

      [–]unmodster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's the war on drugs all over again. This decision will create a huge market for black market kitties.

      [–]clarkquentao -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well this is going to go down well with Reddit.

      [–]pushkalo -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      /r/awwwwwwwwwww

      [–]doritosarelife -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I knew it would come to this. Is the U.S. sending troops?

      [–]peskoly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      South park, anyone?

      [–]Albatraozz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I know we have a Cat problem but these animals hardly know what they are doing. It's a damn shame and I feel sorry for not only the animals the cats kill but the cat's themselves.

      The only other issue I have is often these types of movements and threads often bring out the irrational Cat haters who are dumb fucks.

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