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[–]DoomgooeyKKMastermind 295ポイント296ポイント  (17子コメント)

This update just keeps on giving.

I'm not sure what to expect anymore, all of my expectations are at rock bottom and Overkill still manages to find new lows.

[–]Hamakua 129ポイント130ポイント  (4子コメント)

Watch, final day Payday2 base game will go free to play - that's why all this is happening, to make it a freemium game. (think about it, how cheap is the base game during sales at this point anyway? Less than the cost of a single drill?)

[–]GrumpyOldBrit 41ポイント42ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is my theory too. Wasn't one of the prizes something about free piracy? People thought maybe it was that PD:TH would go free, but if its PD2 going f2p that would be free piracy for all in just the same way.

[–]DunderJawa 38ポイント39ポイント  (11子コメント)

I know, wtf? They're doing such a superb job of surpassing my expected level of disappointment. They're actually talented at being terrible.

[–]Kgbeast1 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

I hear that everywhere and I know Reddit doesn't represent everyone, but the game still has 18,000 users and is one of the highest played games on steam right now. I'm beginning to wonder how many people are talking shit and just turning around and buying all of this up.

[–]GrumpyOldBrit 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

The recent figures are because there is a 10 day free to play offer on it.

[–]KomaeikiClover 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's Friday during a 75% off sale. That's actually a pretty weak amount of users.

[–]Jagjamin 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

During a 10-day free play period in fact.

[–]asdrtyvbn 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The game is still fun. You don't need to get any skin or shit to enjoy it. The problem goes for people that have played the game a long time and want new content, like myself and many more on this subreddit.

[–]CashewCraft 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

With the weapon "rebalancing" the game is no longer fun for me. LMGs, despite having no movement penalty anymore, are still surpassed by basically every other gun in the game. Shotguns have now been nerfed even though they were fine before, every assault rifle now hits the same damage breakpoints and therefore it pretty much no longer matters which one you choose, if you're going to use an SMG, use a kross vector, the high fire rate + high ammo + high damage combo makes it stupidly overpowered. Pistols do stupidly high damage (your starting pistol can 1-shot greens, for gods sake!)

[–]ClikeX 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The game can still be played. It's just that their business practices are getting shadier by the day.

[–]Ozzytudor 709ポイント710ポイント  (68子コメント)

fucking hell overkill went from "pretty damn good" to "scum of the universe" within 2 days.

[–]2CasThe Thermal Drill 340ポイント341ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's incredible how much this has imploded over the last 2 days.

Fuck I miss 2 days ago so much.

[–]StrafeMaru 104ポイント105ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's been a steady decline for awhile now, people just didn't notice.

[–]someskatevideos 157ポイント158ポイント  (2子コメント)

It went from a slow decline to a fucking cliff, though.

[–]2CasThe Thermal Drill 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is more what I meant. It was bad before, sure, but never thought they would actually go ahead and commit PR suicide.

[–]CakeScientist 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

imagine the dwarf fortress learning curve but in reverse

[–]baronvoncarson 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Infamy 2.0 is when i stopped. It was a lazy update.

[–]Virian900 76ポイント77ポイント  (5子コメント)

No, those who did notice it, myself included, were silenced by the circlejerk...

[–]mrpeanut188 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it says only to downvote if irrevelant to discussion, it's not like anyone would ever downvote because they disagreed.

[–]TheRyanWood 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

HOW CAN THEY BE BAD OF THEY GIVES US DLC THAT WE NEED TO PAY FOR??!? LET'S IGNORE ALL THE SHITTY STUFF THEY'VE DONE LIKE ABANDONING CONSOLE AGAIN DESPITE SAYING THEY WOULDN'T.

[–]xx123manxx 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I gave up on OVERKILL whenever they added $20 masks. After that it was constant $5-$7 Monthly DLC.

[–]rooofle 141ポイント142ポイント  (17子コメント)

At least it's good to know their word means absolutely nothing anymore, another company we can write off.

I can't believe this is the same company I've supported since PD1 came out. This is very surreal.

[–]postslongcomments♠XXV-100 94ポイント95ポイント  (10子コメント)

To be fair, they're not the same company. They got bought out.

Any Runescape players still around surely remember how awesome the original Jagex was. They, too were against microtransactions. After the second buyout, Runescape pretty much became microtransaction hell. Membership dropped so drastically that even with the microtransactions they ended up increasing membership fees to $12+ from $5.

It'll get far, far worse before it gets better.

[–]WhatIsRL 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

I played Runescape 2004-2013. Got Max cape and then immediately quit.

What you say is true, the game went to absolute shit. Micro-transactions, buyable items, buyable exp, buyable bonus exp, limited time items that you HAVE to spend money on.

The only redeeming factor that Jagex has going for them is the existence of Old School Runescape with its own small developer team, but even that has blatant problems that reflect the company's corruption. Finished 99 slayer on there three months ago and I've logged in twice for less than five minutes since then.

[–]LiveFree1773 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I quit OSRS recently.

[–]MindNinja15 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Another recent redeeming factor is Darkscape. I'm an old player as well and I've been liking it a lot more than the main game.

[–]lambchopprime♠VII 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I played runescape from 1999 (beta, when there was maybe 150 people) to 2007 and then off and on (mostly off) until 2014 shit went from a fun and ruthless game (if you PKed) to being absolute microtransaction hell.

[–]Hintswen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait what Jagex was bought out? :( I stopped playing shortly after RS2 came out.

[–]Hamakua 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the small comforts of the age we live in. There are so many games to play and so little time for the new target demographic (young adults+) that companies are trying to go in the other direction ans eschewing the idea of milking and knickle and diming their playerbase.

[–]TheRealGC13Infamous X 50ポイント51ポイント  (5子コメント)

They were awful before, but it all kind of pales in comparison to this. Before they feigned kindness and made a show of trying to mask their greed, but now they're letting it all hang out.

[–]TheRootinTootinPutin 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, I never really browsed this subreddit, I always used /pdg/ for my payday needs. Turns out this sub tends to do a lot of dick-sucking to OVK. Doesn't matter now because everyone hates them. At least everyone is on the same page.

[–]NewVegasResident 35ポイント36ポイント  (7子コメント)

The had already reached that point a long time ago. "Completely Overkill Pack", the 30+ heists, the safehouse customisation and the 103948382029 dlcs, Infamy 2.0 and they would always dismoss any l kind of criticism and complaints by simplu deleting the threads.

[–]SexyMrSkeltal 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm glad people are at least acknowledging Safehouse Customization. I would always get shit on when I'd bring it up before because "Who the fuck goes to the safehouse anyways?" and "I'd rather them spend their time and effort on more heists". Well, here we are. Their fanboys enabled this behavior, and they realized that they could fuck us in the ass with a pool cue and still get our money. I'm glad I stopped playing around the Diamond Heist, I'd be much worse if I had more time invested into a game I refuse to play again.

[–]NewVegasResident 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I was actually really looking forward to the customisation of the safehouse ! It's one of the things I LOVE in games, like in SR2 where you could upgrade and change your appartments and cribs but nope, I'm guessing it's never gonna be coming. I deleted the game and removed it from my "favorite" list along with writing a negative review.

[–]SexyMrSkeltal 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

As was I, I love cosmetics in games, customizable masks and safehouses was the absolute only reason I was interested in the game. Imagine if EA advertised the ability to customize your character in the new Battlefront game, then went on to ignore all aspects of that promise up until release, claim it'll be released in a patch, then go on to never release it, and to state that "players would much rather have us work on DLC Maps (heists) instead". EA would face a huge shitstorm over that.

[–]NewVegasResident 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I KNOW COMESTICS ARE SO COOL (even though I refuse to pay for them) like I'm not into CoD at ALL but man the customisation of your character in Advanced Warfare almost made me buy the game. I'm loving the Witcher 3 for this very reason (besides being a die hard fan of the Witcher 1 and 2 and books). So many cool looking armor sets. And layered armor in Fallout 4 !!!

Mh... Sorry... I got ahead of myself a bit. But yeah, I feel as though Overkill got a lot of free passes woth everyone just not caring about whAt they did saying "muh moar histes adn wieponz" and "buat indi doevlopar". Sure ... Ok...

[–]Hoxtinite♠XX 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

It hasn't been 2 days, if the PD2stats letter is to be believed, it has been going this way for months. Either Overkill was hiding it well, we were to blind by our hopes to see it, or maybe both.

[–]ThatOneGuysBrotherNot so sneaky beaky 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It probably has to do with the fact that anyone who has ever criticized OVK in anyway these last few months has been downvoted. Seriously, I remember when I bought PD2 and found this sub, people were complaining about how they released a new $6 DLC every other month and it felt like a cheap cash grab, and it was. Everyone was just to caught up in the novelty shit they put in each DLC, first it was new guns, then new characters, then quirky guns and now this.

[–]Shabutaro♠V 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

I am honestly thinking Overkill is gonna disband soon and this is a last and final cash grab. Else i can't explain their actions.. not even a bit.

[–]GrumpyOldBrit 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

They said they want the game to last another 2 years. How on earth will that even be possible with all this crap? Unless they plan to get us to fuck off and get a load of new players who never saw all this via f2p.

[–]Sepparated 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

They said.

Hehehehehe

They also said no microtransaction.

What shall they say: uhhm we will support this game another 4 month? The last three of them we want to grab all your money possible?

[–]Dicktron2000Houston 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

For some people this has been longer than just two days. Has it gotten exponentially worse over the past two days? Yes. But some people began to think this around Hype Train. I know me and my friends all did.

[–]coverlesstubDEATHWISH 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think the last 2 days have been worse in that sense, but, all kind of, boiled over and came to surface with the implementations of the micro-transactions, as if the "DLC" wasent bad enough, this was just, one step too far, and pushed everyone over the edge.

[–]Thingreenveil313 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Between drills, safes, broken BLT, Goodmod, Canary, the pd2skills shit...thats a lot more than one step.

[–]Gamecool_10 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

People began with the webseries! That wasn't even directly tied into Payday 2!

[–]narrgo 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've never been "pretty damn good" in the first place

[–]PangurBanHammer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do still enjoy the game, but... Holy shit, Overkill.

[–]SGDaly 426ポイント427ポイント  (5子コメント)

A few weeks ago, Overkill has promised Last Bullet to work together on making a new, much better, mod format for Payday 2. We discussed this once, then arranged another meeting. A day before this meeting, Overkill has cancelled it, indefinitely. Nothing happened on this matter since.

A year ago we were promised that one of Last Bullet would be a moderator if at any point they would ever do a workshop. We were not informed of the recent workshop addition, nor were we offered a position in this recent workshop addition of any kind.

This is their game. This is what they do. They manipulate the community with promises, to generate good PR, and then stop contact with them so they can fuck them over much later when it's forgotten by the majority. It has happened over and over. Without these posts, we wouldn't even realize it.

[–]Inspectigator 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like this needs more upvotes... This is really on point.

[–]Alb4tr0s 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

And you know what bothers me now? That we sat still while Overkill did this in several opportunities.

And how come there hasnt been any oficial statement or info release of some kind?

[–]mrpeanut188 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

That we sat still while Overkill did this in several opportunities.

cough cough safehouse customization... It was happening before the game even came out.

[–]Shady_Love♠XXV-100 173ポイント174ポイント  (32子コメント)

Overkill knows how to kill a community. Kill off the most dedicated players. Better stats gui, canary, and goonmod are all gone already. We might not have a single mod left by the end of this.

[–]Typhron♠I It is time, Tenno 36ポイント37ポイント  (30子コメント)

Those mods are temporarily disabled. At least that's the word, for now.

Edit: Gentlemen, I got it.

[–]Shady_Love♠XXV-100 71ポイント72ポイント  (4子コメント)

Karate is likely abandoning payday 2 if overkill doesn't put it in reverse. The person who works on Canary lost all their progress from a corruption and called it quits. James Wilko is done with goonmod unless he can get a patreon setup going.

[–]ClikeX 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wait what. Didn't he use version control, or something?

[–]mrpeanut188 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

He had to place the canary files in the game directory to work on it and the directory got fucked over, I agree he should have used SVN but shit happens. And sometimes a lot of shit happens.

[–]Salsadips 45ポイント46ポイント  (22子コメント)

Better stats dev has uninstalled the game completely since the update and vowed not to return if the microtransactions arent reversed. Canary mod devs files got corrupted by the latest update and he had no backup, goonmods dev wilko said on twitter that the mod is dead, he has a full time job and doesnt have the time to rebuild it again, but will if he gets crowdfunding for it (he is still working on the BLT project).

[–]KarateF22 66ポイント67ポイント  (5子コメント)

To correct a rumor before it gets out of hand, I have not actually punched uninstall yet. My intent is to do so if they don't clean this mess up by the end of Crimefest, however. I might do an update to my Better Stats GUI once assuming the lua hook it is dependent on gets back up in a reasonable amount of time but after that, assuming they stay the course, i'm putting up all the lua script code for the mod (its already public and open source anyways) and abandoning it because i just cannot condone Overkill's behavior.

[–]Rampage470 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

My intent is to do so if they don't clean this mess up by the end of Crimefest, however.

Just do it now. This shit isn't going anywhere.

[–]KarateF22 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm too stubborn for that. I have a limit for bullshit, but if I wasn't persistent I would never have untangled the fucking mess their lua code is.

[–]DBrody6Fugitive Enforcer 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

It probably means little at this point, but before this ship completely sinks I just wanna say thanks for the mod and your community contributions. Better Stats GUI has been killer in the past, to say nothing of what you've helped the community with.

Utterly depressing to me to see this community fall apart in effectively a single day.

[–]KarateF22 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're welcome, and thanks to the community at large for the support. Could not have done this without a bunch of people helping me out one way or another. Sadly, it appears that this game may be offing itself. You'll probably be able to find me from time to time on /r/killingfloor and i lurk /r/Terraria a lot, but if not you're always free to pm me.

[–]Typhron♠I It is time, Tenno 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

That gives a better perspective on things.

This has turned ugly real quick. It's like when Cataclysm came out for WoW.

...That did not turn out well for WoW.

[–]TekLWar 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

No, this is like WoD. Cataclysm lost a decent chunk because of a few bad choices, WoD lost HALF of WoW's population because of terrible choices and ignoring everything the playerbase was telling them.

[–]Fillipe♠II 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm interested, is there a TL:DR of what some of these bad choices were?

[–]TekLWar 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is literally as TL;DR as it can really be made. This is me SHORTENING the issues many people have with it. Sorry for that. TL;DR of Tl;DR is "They made really unfriendly choices for nonraiders." I guess.

I'm typing this all with the assumption you have NOT played WoW in the past just for other people coming in on this. Just a heads up for over explaining some bits.

Ashran (the new giant PVP zone of the expansion) has been horribly balanced from day 1 and every 'update' in an attempt to make it better or more playable has just REMOVED incentive to actually stick it out and play it. Currently it's VERY common on some servers to see massive Deathsquads of perfectly controlled players just controlling the entire island. The entire thing went from a sometimes frustrating but decent way to gear up to entry level PVP at a semi fast pace, to a massive grind that last time I checked doesn't even reward Conquest (the currency to get the second 'tier' of PVP armor) at all. This means there's no reason to even do it if you want to take PVP seriously.

Then we have Garrisons. GREAT idea, you're commander of your military base, you're a hero, a general! ...It was fun for about a month. Then like some people guessed at launch it basically became a facebook game. Many people have fallen into the trap of. "Log in. Send followers on missions. Log out." (They said they have more plans for this like a new garrison' level', but that never showed up. The most we got was a shipyard, which was more facebook game funtime.)

Next came dungeons. They removed Valor Points (They were used to buy bonus gaer after you collected enough from just doing dungeons. They were basically a catchup mechanic and a way to guarantee you weren't wasting your time if you got no drops. They're being readded next patch but you can't use them to buy gear, only 'upgrade' some gear to higher stats.) which removed ALL incentive to do dungeons or heroic dungeons after you had enough gear to raid.

To add to the dungeon cake, they also introduced "Timewalker" dungeons, which is something the community asked for, for YEARS. The problem was they went about it wrong. It lets you run old dungeons from expansions past as if they were designed for level 100, but the problem is that it was only a select number of them, and they were locked to one weekend a month. For people like me that work on the weekend? I saw maybe one day of this event per month.

Crafting also got gutted. Gathering was given to EVERYONE inside their garrisons, destroying the materials market, and they added a timegating mechanic to craft the good gear. In addition the good gear didn't require rare materials to craft, so basically anyone could make 'epic' items in a few weeks, even if they only had level ONE blacksmithing. I get where they were going with this, but it felt shitty, and every profession only crafted a total of like...12 items. (The one cool change they made was having 'upgradeable weapons' that changed visuals the higher rank they were, from 1 to 4. I liked that idea, I didn't like my mining being made worthless because the time gating mechanic removed any reason to have more then a timegate of daily materials.)

The zones have NO reason to go back to them. No materials to farm, no rare patterns, and the 'treasure's become a required checkbox if you want to fly in WoD. Once you 'finish' a zone's hidden treasures and quests you literally never have to go there again unless there's a raid portal there. Ever.

Actually, unless you're raiding or doing arenas (the main meat of WoW PVP) there's NOTHING to do at end game in this expansion. Dungeons, as I said, are pointless. The treasures are all easy to do in an afternoon. Crafting is now worthless.

I love that game to death, I really do. but this is the first time I've unsubbed, well...since Cata. (Unsubbed in cata for real life issues actually, would have stayed subbed if it wasn't for that.)

Over all the expansion feels like a filler anime season, instead of just a 'bad' season. It feels like it's full of half baked ideas and half-assed designs. It feels like blizzard put too much focus on the NEXT expansion. If the next expansion is as awesome as it's looking? Great! But that SUCKED for this one.

[–]Fillipe♠II 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I played during vanilla, got to around level 50 then quit. Just found it to be too much of a grindfest solo, felt like I was alone in the world and it just got very boring. Restarted again about 2 years ago, got to about level 30 and quit again. Was incredible at PVP in warsong gulch, but that got boring fast too.

Sad to hear that the few things I enjoyed about WoW have gone to shit, especially crafting / gathering.

[–]TekLWar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good news? Blizzard has said they've at least heard our complains about how crafting went.

Blizzcon will most likely be the deciding factor for me. If I like what they're saying and demon hunters play fun on the demo floor? I"ll keep paying attention...but otherwise I might just have to say goodbye to WoW for a few years, come back and see where it is down the line.

As for your experience in vanilla, I find that...weird. Not because of the distaste for grinding but because I found the world to be VERY active during classic. I think you would have liked Wrath of the Lich King though. It was the most social point of the game (although i still stand that BC had the best dungeons/raids.)

[–]Typhron♠I It is time, Tenno 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cata and WoD are very similar in this regard, and I can provide a summary Cata, while /u/TektWar can likely do WoD.

With Cata, they decided this would be the first expansion to introduce their yearly content schedule, ignored the players feedback (and even taunted them for not adjusting to the changes when given valid criticisms), and paid for in ways that the game has yet to recover.

To be more on point with how it relates to what's happening with Payday 2:

  • Many add-on creators and community managers for things (blogs, forums, character audit sites) took what Blizzard said to heart and just quit. Infact, so many addon creators quit that for a time people struggled to try and keep many alive after the fact, and to this day the damage done from that can still be seen.

  • Everyone who's new to the can see where people stopped playing/stopped having fun in comparison to previous and later expansions, and much of it is not talked about.

  • Key people who worked on the game quit, moving on to other companies and whatnot. These being writers, developers, artists, and many in between.

  • Many of the things Blizzard said they'd never do they did and then had to go back on such because of how bad these changes were.

Those changes?

  • More store mounts than normal, as opposed to offering a way to get them in game. As well as a lot of cosmetics.

  • More grindy ways of getting currency needed to buy gear, no matter what the gear was.

  • Buggy content and fascimilies of actual work (the troll patch, for one) that involves taking things out of the game and rebranding them as new/for the worse.

  • Poor balance that revolved/devolved around spending lots of real money to change your character to do something better (because factions). This hasn't been fixed.

  • "Hard" content that was just unbalanced and buggy in their own right. The lead devs telling people who actually stuck out with the game for years to suck it up.

  • Placation that things were better off than they normally were, until the first million of players were already gone. Myself included.

  • The start of what seems like an annoying trend. After about a year and a half of working on the game (or in WoD's case it seems 8 freaking months) of sporadic updates, they let the game languish as it is for a year while they work on and hype up the next expansion.

[–]Cole-Burns 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Funny, since i started WoW on Cata and the final nail for me was Draenor.

[–]BrainiEpic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, at least MoP was good?

[–]Tramm 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can the developers see how many people have the game installed?

I ask, because if it helps drive our point home I wont hesitate to uninstall the game. Its not like ill be playing it anyways ..

[–]Typhron♠I It is time, Tenno 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Through Steam, yes they can. Though collecting those rates, as they always fluctate, is a bit more difficult as it requires actively watching.

Also the game takes awhile to install, so...

[–]Tramm 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't plan on reinstalling unless the whole company does a 180. Ive been pissed at them since pretty much right after Armored Transport.

And I assume, given the shit storm they're in, they would be keeping an eye on how many installs they have. But then again, they could just be monitoring to make sure enough of the community has cleared out before they make it F2P/P2W

[–]Omen267901Currently sawing a dozer 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Canary is dead. Kail_ said that he would not be returning to Payday 2. Goonmod is also dead. Better stats GUI is as well.

[–]doctorsawbones 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

i really doubt it. the .dll that those mods need to use is gone or heavily changed. overkill has lied and fucked over lastbullet, payday2 stats, and the community many times. overkill cant make a decent anti cheat so they are just removing mods for everyone to stop possible cheating or people making things for free that overkill could use as dlc.

[–]BallisticClown 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would you say, they went.... a little..... overkill

[–]SpartanXIIISpartanXIII 72ポイント73ポイント  (11子コメント)

Not the only community thing that's gone.

https://twitter.com/_JamesWilko/status/654806413596753924?s=09

Well, I was content to try and ride this out, but now...I'm looking from afar and hoping they burn!

[–]TweetsInCommentsBot 30ポイント31ポイント  (10子コメント)

@_JamesWilko

2015-10-15 23:49 UTC

Attn: GoonMod is finished, rip


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[–]Qualcunaltro7 32ポイント33ポイント  (9子コメント)

project canary is gone for good too... this in a neverending disaster...

[–]RoiMan 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

Sorry, I'm relatively new and never heard of project canary, what is it?

[–]djpokeboy 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

Better dialogue between heiters and stuff. But also it was made by the devs of restoration hud, which was getting custom heists. By the sounds of it, he's entirely lost the custom heist they were working on too :/

[–]RoiMan 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

That is horrible news then. Rip open and social Payday 2 community. Unless you want to put custom skins up for sale, of course!

[–]djpokeboy 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

Skins or community made heists, I know which i'd choose.

On a side note, didn't overkill say that Liongamelion were going to make heists as well, resulting in a lot more heists over time? We've had even fewer heist DLCs than usual!

[–]RoiMan 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does it really matter what they promise or say? They probably sold the heists plans for skins artwork money

[–]djpokeboy 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably. It's a shame seeing a game i've dedicated so much time to (and had been planning to dedicate more to, i've been working on my builds for infamy 5 since february. Guess that's down the drain) have such a fall from grace. Guess I should look for something else to spend my time in. Maybe I should just start getting serious with CSGO competitive.

[–]FairInSomeThingsDallas 126ポイント127ポイント  (36子コメント)

Sleaziest gamedev studio ever.

They simultaneously added microtransactions, screwed over the modding community (GoonMod, BLT, PocoHUD, Project Canary...), and just about subtly copied others' work (with PD2stats and the current weapon rebalance that's similar to DMCWO, except way worse)

All under the premise of "free content" the community "earned".

We are in the wrong line of games, gentlemen.

[–]ToasiddyInfamous XXV-100 37ポイント38ポイント  (35子コメント)

I heard killing floor is pretty fun. Gonna check that out for my pc co-op needs.

[–]TyphoonTycoon 29ポイント30ポイント  (12子コメント)

I'm not telling you to not play KF2 right now, but as a die-hard KF fan with like 1500 hours in KF1, KF2 has VERY little content right now. It's really fun with friends but its a little dry right now. If you like the concept and haven't played a KF before, you'll love it, but it's very limited compared to the fully fleshed out KF1. I hope to see you playing though :D

[–]Kgbeast1 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

On the other hand, Vermintide comes out in a week. A very good L4D style game set in the Warhammer universe. It has a very cool loot system and missions similar to Payday

[–]FizzOrFeed 6ポイント7ポイント  (18子コメント)

Does killing floor 2 have anything yet? I bought it the first week it came out on E.A. it had like 10 guns and 4 maps with little to no real customization. How is it 6+ months later?

[–]Suparockr 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

3 new maps, like 4 new characters, two new perks that both feel underwhelming (not at level 25 with either of them, so take some other word if possible)

[–]slash-and-burn 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Firebug is ok, demo feels like complete ass doing anything that isn't dumping C4 on fleshpounds.

Though it's worth mentioning that scrakes are massively weak to RPG impact damage for some reason

[–]CastrolGTX 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Its a lot of fun, and I loved tripwire before I even knew about overkill. They made Red Orchestra 1 & 2. As great as it is, I'm nervous about the early access release model theyre doing, especially given all this overkill stuff lately. I still have hope in them though.

[–]CoolCatMcJoe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it just gives them more room to actually experiment with things, considering Tripwire's track record. It has enough content right now to be considered a full release (albeit a mediocre one), but they're adding more stuff constantly.

At least it won't go through any visual overhauls like Distance did, though.

[–]HeroicMe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it will have cosmetics microtransactions for sure.
And their wording didn't really excluded P2W content, but you can always hope they will keep new paid weapons balanced.
We couldn't really see how bad they can be because by the time paid weapons made their way to KF1 we already had big arsenals. But imagine all later-added weapons being $5 DLCs...
For example, Commando would be forced to use weaker AK 47 instead of superior FN FAL...

[–]badwolf74 41ポイント42ポイント  (17子コメント)

At this point, it's clear that they're trying to kill outside additions to payday. Most (if not all) mods are dead. PD2 stats is dead. They're killing outside additions to set up for something. I'm still hoping to god it's not F2P.

[–]xeptance 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

it's clear that they're trying to kill outside additions to payday

I'm not sure you can say that just yet. There's been updates in the past that killed mods... I understand that everyone is freaking out because they are upset about crimefest so far, but jumping to conclusions about the future of all modding for the game seems a little extreme.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the PD2stats thing is more than a little disappointing... that's not how you handle people who are doing things to support the community of your game >.<

[–]kkraww 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

Its' very different. Before mods/UI's stopped working due to when the game was updated. That's perfectly fine and everybody understands that. The problem is now, they have removed the LUA hook that all of the mods needed to work with the game. This isn't just some conflict with the update, like before. They essentially removed the ability to have mods/UI's

[–]xeptance 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

If that's true then there may be more cause for alarm than I realised.
I hope it's just because they wanted to avoid the huge number of crash reports caused by broken mods over the course of crimefest... maybe I'm too optimistic.
Edit: From what I can tell the removal of mods was not an intentional thing, but rather a consequence due to updates to the engine.
BLT:

As everybody using the BLT is probably currently aware, the Crimefest 2015 day one update broke the Payday 2 BLT compatibility with the game. Engine updates were necessary for this to occur, and we're aware of the issue.
So hold onto your hats for a little while, we're still getting acquainted with what was added and changed in the updates, and we're working on getting it fixed ASAP.

Hoxhud:

As you're no doubt aware, the current update has rendered HoxHud and all other Lua based mods inactive. Firstly, this is not due to any hostile action on Overkill's part.

and

TL;DR: our Swedish pals made far-reaching optimisation changes to the game, getting HoxHud working again will take a while.

sources: BLT and hoxhud It doesn't sound at all like an intentional attempt to kill modding, so I don't think there's any cause for alarm yet :)

[–]Boondorl 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

TL;DR: our Swedish pals made far-reaching optimisation changes to the game

Strange, my game is running just as shitty as before. Sometimes I feel like it's actually running worse and just contributed it to my computer being weird. It doesn't look better, either, so I have no idea what "optimizations" they made. It certainly wasn't the netcoding or graphics engine.

These people don't work for Overkill. Contacting them is pointless as this post shows. The fact of the matter is that they may have completely removed modding from this game and we just don't know 100% for sure yet. I wouldn't be surprised if BLT/Hoxhud are just trying to stay optimistic and are praying they can find a solution.

I mean, just look at the timing. Microtransaction weapon skins that boost stats just came out, while almost all modding is simultaneously disabled. If you could mod, you could simply just add the skin in yourself and give yourself the required stats. Overkill knows this. Overkill likes money. If this truly is just temporary, than this is one fucking hell of a coincidence given something of this level hasn't happened in ages. People are used to updates sometimes breaking mods, but never completely disabling them.

[–]GrumpyOldBrit 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

and I consider UI's intergral to playing the game. EVEN if I could do without pocohuds damage indicators etc (I could but I don't want to). I can't do without laser sights switching off all the time.

Is it a little thing? Sure. But it's so god damned annoying I spend most of my time playing pissed off.

[–]xeptance 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I played a few missions last night to test new weapons etc and realised how much I miss my QoL things when they aren't there. Being able to type while I open a door isn't game breaking, it's just nice. Having to switch your laser/flashlight on every single freaking time you change weapon is just plain ridiculous >.<

[–]Chnams 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

I expected nothing and I'm still let down. I'm seriously having trouble to fathom what pile of shit the game is becoming in so little time.

[–]SinisterPixel 85ポイント86ポイント  (0子コメント)

I physically feel sick after reading this.

I can't believe I paid so much money to this company.

I enjoyed this game for over a year.

I made YouTube videos about this game and actively promoted it.

I've never despised a developer more than Overkill. A developer that actually puts a fan in a financial hole so it can make more profit.

[–]CroGamer002 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just lost any respect I had for Overkill.

SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!!!

[–]iDeconstructor 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Damn, I legit used this website 2 hours ago.

[–]AURoadRunner 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is disgraceful how these developers have treated the modders who filled the holes in their own game.

[–]doctorsawbones 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

but hey they will take the work they did and sell it as dlc. i personally cant wait to buy a $80 asiimov skin for my minigun and be able to one shot bulldozers on deathwish. /s

[–]ReohHoxton 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remember when they nerfed saws because they were trivializing the difficulty of bulldozers?

[–]Lack_♠XXV-100 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy fucking shit.

[–]ReZ2701 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cherry on the top of the cake.

[–]2CasThe Thermal Drill 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are we allowed to freak out now?

Can't believe this is happening.

[–]WhitentacoDo you wanna look at the cloakers, David? 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty certain if there was a point to freak out, this looks to be about the time.

[–]TxontireaHoxton 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know I fucking hate Overkill so fucking fucking FUCKING much right now. Plain disregard, disdain and ignorance is the thing that gets under my skin the most, and this company seems to exude it from their very fucking pores.

FUCK OVERKILL.

[–]KingDispenserDallas 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow... I knew they were money grubbing ass holes but I didn't think they were backstabbing liars... I think this might really be the death of the Payday community or at least a large part of it.

[–]NewbZilla 34ポイント35ポイント  (4子コメント)

Almir should write a book called "How to fuck up in two simple steeps".

[–]sucaru 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

  1. Microtransactions (and therefore lying)
  2. Killing the mods that kept the fucking game alive.

There ya go. Wrote it for him.

[–]prati616 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Still gonna charge you $2.50

[–]5n1p3rhaaChains is in a pickle! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's for the drills though, you still gotta get the safe

[–]TeremolFugitive Enforcer 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mother fuckers.

[–]Tzeentch 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to get off Overkill's wild ride.

I expect the next announcement is that LUA will be completely disabled and modding will be disallowed.

[–]Lokki92Fugitive Mastermind 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

And i thought i was pissed yesterday. FUCKING HELL, AND I SUPPORTED THESE GUYS?!?!?

[–]KingDispenserDallas 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

I want my 20 fucking dollars back!

[–]revoldx 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

So much this, my money was to develop the game not make it it F2Pay bullshit.

[–]Ante185 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

What the hell? Has there been a company coup or something? WTF is this fucking shit?

[–]TheWrongNameDALLA, FOLLO ME 28ポイント29ポイント  (11子コメント)

3 founders left in the past months, presumably because of an internal roadmap that they didn't like.

[–]TonyStrayVideo 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

Ulf, Simon and who else?

[–]TheWrongNameDALLA, FOLLO ME 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

One of the lead designers... I forgot his name

[–]Father_Deerhands 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

If you're referring to David Goldfarb, he left the company a very long time ago to work on his own things.

[–]DoctorPanThat guy with shotguns and PocoRose in your lobby. 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think he means Ilija who went on to found Lion Game Lion.

[–]TheWrongNameDALLA, FOLLO ME 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm certain there was another one, I saw it mentioned yesterday but I'm so bad at remembering foreign names. It definitely wasn't goldfarb.

[–]The_George_Cz 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ilja Petrusic? (IIRC he is working with LGL)

[–]TheWrongNameDALLA, FOLLO ME 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think I saw the first name in another thread... Andreas?

[–]The_George_Cz 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Andreas Häll-Penninger might be the one you are looking for

[–]MikeGamerGuy 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

Someone call Jim Fucking Sterling Son... again.

[–]GrumpyOldBrit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm one of the people who (albeit silently) wishes he'd vary his content topics a bit more. But for this, this I can make an exception for.

[–]Cobalt_ThereminArms Outstretched 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's just appalling on overkill's part.

[–]Hellmark 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was a happy PD:TH owner. My little brother had talked me into getting getting PD2 due to crimefest starting. I had fully planned on buying it and some DLC as soon as I got home today. Screw that noise.

[–]DoctorFaterino 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no payday 2 anymore, Overkill, you did it.

[–]Ubahootah 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good lord. It's gone from serious to just parody now. How much fucking worse can you get?

[–]Sagari12Infamous V-100 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is just...... I don't even know what to say. Is this how despair feels like?

[–]0011110000110011 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn! Overkill is becoming a pretty fuckin slimy company pretty fuckin fast!

[–]Shadowking78 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, this steaming platter of shit just got bigger.

[–]thekeanu 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

More from Overschill: You are all cunts, and so are you specifically, and you and you.

[–]sivyan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is a fucking trainwreck

[–]iR0cketChains hates being tricky! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit. I hate to say it, I loved this game as much as I could and gladly bought DLC for this game until now, but I simply can't support a company pulling these kind of shenanigans any longer. I'm going to uninstall this game. Thanks for all the good times Overkill, I fear it's time to part ways.

[–]disk5464 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Overkill is so fucked. There is no recovering from this. R.I.P

[–]Wedran123 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bought Simon's OST, with money I got from selling the god damn safes I got in the game, so I could get atleast one good thing from this mess.

I didn't give you a cent of mine. Your fucking safes paid for it. And you don't deserve another penny.

[–]GrumpyOldBrit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are showing every single piece of evidence that they are trying to kill their game. Destroying fan sites, destroying mods, going microtransactions.

Right now the only explanation I can even start to think would explain it is the F2P rumour. F2P dont succeed off long term players when most of them are just easily gained easily lost, suck them dry short term players. I think we found out new business model personally.

[–]Thingreenveil313 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was it for me.

Fuck with your game all you want. Ask us to give you money. Whatever. We don't have to.

Steal content from a community member who has fucking passion for the game you're making? That's monstrous.

Uninstalled. Not looking back.

[–]Scone_ZoneChains is in a pickle! 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

This whole situation is a little weird. If Valve another major game developer did a dick move like this, people would be like "Yeah, that's scum as fuck, but whatever, we kinda expect it". But somehow Overkill doing this just makes it seem worse.

Overkill really likes to sell itself as an indie-type dev, in that they "pay close attention to the community", have a figure that is super active in the community and runs a lot of the company (Almir), make "free" content, update their game, avoid whoring to publishers, etc, but what we don't really think about is that they are just as corporate as any major dev nowadays. TBH I think Overkill is kind of worse for it, because I have more respect for a man that is honest where he stands, even if he's wrong, then a man claiming to be one thing and doing another.

EDIT: People seemed to take the Valve comparison literally. My bad, I didn't mean it that way, I was just meaning some other big game developer. People get upset when EA or Activision does this stuff, but not nearly the to the level and scale of what we have here.

[–]Dravarden 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

what valve made game is more than like 20 bucks and has 130$ worth of dlc or microtransactions?

[–]Scone_ZoneChains is in a pickle! 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

You get what I mean though, right? Like, if some other big company did this, we would go "Wow, that's shitty", but eventually forget. With Overkill, it feels like a personal betrayal. Not just in the blatant lies about free updates and no microtransactions, but in their presentation, their behavior, you know? They act like a small, really cool, community-oriented company, but in the end they are the slimy corporate rats we see in any other major game dev.

[–]Aquarius100 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah people just totally forgot about the paid mods fiasco right?

[–]Boondorl 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

None, he's using a strawman to make a non-existent point.

He also apparently missed out on what happened with the whole paid mods fiasco. People were most certainly not happy with Valve and did not just brush it off.

[–]anikm21 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Please point me to a valve-made pay2win game. The most they have done with their games is skins and different weapons for tf2 that are easy to get without paying.

[–]Scone_ZoneChains is in a pickle! 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I didn't say Valve did this, but if a company such as Valve did this, it wouldn't get nearly the same reaction. Valve was a pretty lame example, I'll admit, but it's the first big game dev I could think of.

[–]ghostradedGenSec 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Valve gets a LOT of backlash.

You seem to forget the paid mods fiasco.

[–]Disparanoia 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

CSGO skins dont affect stats, im happy to ignore them.

[–]Slothy22Wolf 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to get off Mr. Almir's wild ride.

[–]Dr_Herpatitis_Z 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

All I have to say is that this is fucking disgusting.

[–]0pie666 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

payday 2 uninstalled. I bought Ark. The developpers are way more respectful.

[–]batkhow 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Give it two years before they become overkill.

[–]sucaru 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

For all the good things I've heard of Ark (haven't played it) and it's dev team, I hope you're wrong.

[–]batkhow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Overkill used to be good like ark. Things can change.

[–]Sepparated 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That fit in the picture. The payday time is over for Overkill they arent interested in pushing this game more and more. Now the aim is just to make most possible money out of it. And concentrate on other games... Maybe they make the same mistakes like big studios. They cant see the power of the Internet and the Feedback of people. Sad to See this. Was theire a change in leading positons?

[–]thedude018 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to enjoy playing Payday. Overkill looked like an amazing company with a great business model. PD2Stats was a great site. I'll miss it. Overkill needs to get it together.

[–]Z0mb13S0ldier 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's like Overkill is looking at everything Konami has done as of late and is saying "Yeah. All of that looks like a good idea."

[–]S-Cpu 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Coming soon, Payday pachinko?

[–]Jattila 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, there goes my last hope that this cesspool of a game could still be salvaged.

[–]morerokk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eww, corruption.

[–]anacondatmz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like Overkill picked a whole bouquet of whoopsie daisies this week.

[–]FuneralForASon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking hell man, the negative reviews on steam went from a little over 8,000 all the way to fucking over 19,000... This is serious.

This isn't a joke, for anyone who hopes it is. No company would lose over 11,000 customers, supporters, and fans all for a joke.

For those who say this is a halloween prank, it's not, it's not even halloween yet.

And for those who don't care about the skins and only care about the stats, you're only making things worse.

The stats on these skins are meaningless, they barely do jackshit and its a PvE game for christs sake.

If you truly want this to work, there can be no microtransactions whatsoever. Overkill cannot benefit from this, they're fucking over everything and everyone whose ever supported them. They do not deserve anything.

[–]Dravarden 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find hard to believe there were only 20 users when its implemented into hoxhud inspect thing

[–]florensie 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almir is probably want to try to maintain this situation but I'm telling you. Within a week he'll be beging for us to go back. And he'll be verry sorry.

[–]Walnut156 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

FUCK YOU OVERKILL

I will now actively tell people to never ever give you fuckers any money you are scum actual fucking scum. Im gonna try my hardest to get a refund for all the garbage I bought from you.

[–]ChucklebuckGhost Enforcer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Overkill sucks at getting back to correspondence of any kind.

I asked the head of the live action trailers about possibly working on one of them on Twitter. He gave me the bog standard info email address and I wrote a very emphatic email detailing my experience and how it would be an opportunity of a lifetime to give something back to something that gave me so much joy.

Nothing.

Sent the same email a few weeks later to Almir in the hope of getting a response.

Nothing.

Not that I'd want to work on them anymore.

[–]LeMasterTF2Playur 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Now I'm slowly wanting my money back! FUCK THIS!

[–]Croc_co 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tats :'(

[–]deaderingWolf Begins 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hope the bunker Almir is waiting in at Overkill with his response to the community is pretty strong, because this shit storm is not stopping anytime soon. He'll be "nitpicked" whenever he finally pokes his head out, and I don't think he'll like the look of the ruins of Overkill when he finally does...

[–]RomanBilliardJacket 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How one stupid decision can impact the lives of thousands... I wouldn't be surprised if the HoxHud developers just stop because of all the shit they went through and now even this....

[–]Hintswen 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Only 20 users? I find that majorly hard to believe. Facebook changed their code years ago that broke one of my websites. It broke 95% of the functionality and I still didn't drop to 20 users.

I do use pd2stats occasionally but I actually wrote my own site which I use more often as I know exactly what it checks for.

[–]MaliciousFloppy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Fall of Payday 2 began when Simon left Overkill. It wasn't a message.

It was a warning.

[–]caelan03♠III 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Someone ELI5/TLDR this for me?

[–]Kattusite 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Overkill promised a prominent mod developer that they would respect the work they had done, then went back on their agreement, basically stole the mod, and completely forced the original out of existence with their own shitty knockoff.

Overkill refused to respond to several requests to communicate.

[–]caelan03♠III 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a dick move