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[–]vivianjamesplay 55ポイント56ポイント  (34子コメント)

They call doxing "naming and shaming" when they're doing it. Hypocrisy and double standards are a requirement for aggros/sjw's.

[–]Paranoidsbible 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

Doxing is a part of the naming and shaming culture, though.

[–]FluffyBallofHate 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Tit for Tat is almost always the best move you can play in any social game. That's a generally held conclusion in game theory. You can look it up. You don't have to take my word for it.

If your enemy punches you in the dick, you punch him right back. You don't rely on the ref to call it for you. Because maybe he calls it right, and maybe he doesn't. But if your enemy just got punched in the dick because of doing the same to you, they'll be a damned bit more hesitant to punch you in the dick again.

[–]Asraised_Bymom 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

[–]OgreMidGuy 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well whoever took the first eye wins. He takes one and loses one, he takes another and keeps his remaining Eye because his opponent is blind.

[–]Asraised_Bymom 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think you mean the last eye, the first would be eyeless from all those before him. And there will never be a last, he or one of the blind people will have eyed kids who will come and take the last eye of the last guy.

Pointless analogy aside, there's a difference between defending yourself from something with the same tactic, and adopting that tactic as your own.

Its the same difference of shooting a criminal inside your house before he shoots you, or going to his house to shoot him there before he comes to your house and shoots you.

[–]TorchicBlaziken 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

he or one of the blind people will have eyed kids who will come and take the last eye of the last guy.

But how would they have sex if they can't see each other?

[–]Asraised_Bymom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm, I'm simply saying that life, uh... finds a way... - Dr. Ian Malcolm

[–]OgreMidGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh i wasn't defending the tactic at all. i was just being Cheeky.

Gotta shoot the shit sometimes.

[–]throwawayspai 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

An important part of Tit for Tat is you go back to assuming cooperation again after retaliating. That's the part that doesn't always translate well to real life.

[–]slimthigh 6ポイント7ポイント  (24子コメント)

Well then. Only one way to fix this. Name and shame people who name and shame.

[–]Sigma_J 14ポイント15ポイント  (14子コメント)

No. We are better than that.

[–]slimthigh 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was being facetious.

[–]ArmyofWon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

/s tags go a long way

[–]bryoneill11 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Enjoy been a loser for the rest of your life then

[–]bastiVSVanu Archivist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I rather loose a fight that I fought fair, while my opponent fought dirty, than becoming my opponent.

[–]bryoneill11 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Enjoy losing everything you care about to people willing to go the extra mile

[–]FluffyBallofHate -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

They will. They honestly believe this sunday-morning cartoon bullshit, because they're 19-21, and have no fucking clue how the real world works.

This is the problem with gamers: their simplistic understanding of morality has programmed them to play to lose in the real world, where there is no narrator holding down the scales on the side of the good guys.

In the real world, you play to win, or you lose. There is no reward for good sportsmanship. If you refuse to use a tactic that your enemy will use, you end up dead, your wives end up raped and your children end up sold into slavery.

[–]Asraised_Bymom 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You assume their tactics are ideal, but if they are shooting themselves in the foot, so are you.

[–]theguruofreason 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

When 'playing' the ethics 'game', you lose the instant you act against your ideals.

You are just like the aGGs who want to make this about destroying certain people rather than winning a war of ideas. You've become them.

[–]uxyo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Integrity is not the same thing as naivety, it is pointless to be against someone for doxing if you are doing it yourself. In fact that would be called hypocrisy.

[–]YurilicaPurple, White, and Green 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, what's your diagnosis? Why so mad at gamers and so insanely overdramatic in your last paragraph?

You really have no idea how old the people you're talking about are and you have no qualms about slandering gamers in a place that is pretty much a hot spot for gamers against authoritarian assholes in general.

So what's your problem?

[–]LunarArchivist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What /u/Yurilica said.

I'm a member of Generation X, meaning that I'm older than many of the idiots we're fighting and old enough to remember very well what happened the last time politicians and the mainstream media came after video games.

https://theragingfanboy.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/kombat-kollektable-kountdown-%E2%80%93-part-4-of-4/

The difference is that, back then, the gaming press had our backs. A reporter who went Full Jack Thompson was given the dubious honor of being designated the crazy person of the month in Electronic Gaming Monthly and Video Games: The Ultimate Gaming Magazine wrote an editorial condemning the witch hunting politicians, which was accompanied by a "photoshopped" image of Sub-Zero holding up Senator Joseph Lieberman's severed head.

There are lines we don't cross, and for good reason.

[–]FluffyBallofHate -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

In the real world, being 'better' than the other guy ends with you being dead and him taking all of your shit.

You play a game by the rules, not by your own personal morals. You people are fucking children obsessed with a child's understanding of morality. Ends matter. This is not some elementary school tee-ball game.

If you won't stand up for yourself, why should anyone invest any time and effort in your movement? If you're playing to lose, why should anyone care?

[–]BLloyd607502 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell that to Ghandi. It wasn't Malcolm X that won respect, it was Martin Luther King. In a fight of ethics, the man who stands by his principals is the man best armed. We cannot out-shit them, because they have the media on their side. We cannot and will not win in the long term by picking up handfuls of crap and throwing it at the man with the turd cannon. We've succeeded so far because when push comes to shove, people look at how the monkey pen is acting, look at us behaving well and instantly know which side they respect more.

The second we give them an actual, genuine solid piece of proof that we're as poor in deed as them, they will shine lights on it until it fills the sky basically and covers everything good that's been done so far. Once all is said and done, no matter how big you are, unless you're a world government (And even then), you are not too big to be taken down by a bunch of morally upstanding people who just keep reminding everyone what a massive bastard you are. That is in fact, how this all started. No bad tactics, only bad targets. The second you start to think that way unless you're big enough to hide for eternity, you're on the losing side of things to come.

[–]lichlordgodfrey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exitus Acta Probat, eh?

It is easy to give in, it is much harder to stand against the tides of chaos - but if noone does, then life becomes a zero-sum game and everyone loses in the end.

Fighting fire with fire will only fuel the inferno, and then we'll all be immolated.

[–]mrlint 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is it naming and shaming when you point right to their own comments?

[–]NoGardE 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you link any identity other than the one they used to comment, I say yes. If /u/nogarde says something in one thread about how awful doing "x" is, then someone links a post "/u/nogarde says this is awful, and here's a post by /u/nogarde doing the awful thing" I call it fair.

[–]mrlint 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok I'd certainly call that the most conservative interpretation, and of course, doing so stays well within bounds. What about the station when someone links to their own comments elsewhere? That inextricably links another 'identity'

[–]NoGardE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm personally cool with following links people have been explicit with: "here's my post on this other thing."

[–]Paranoidsbible 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why people need to lessen their data footprint. You can use one account to cross reference information on another and expose them.

[–]scionesciam 28ポイント29ポイント  (8子コメント)

This bigotry seems common for Aggros since the beginning à la "No bad tactics, only bad targets" (moviebob). Your story seems to suggest it is more widespread and quite common among liberals in general. Thanks for sharing!

Edit: Thanks

[–]DiaboliAdvocatus 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is just pretty common.

Look at politicians whining about some smear from their opponents then six months later doing the same shit back. Or divorced people whining about how gays getting married will destroy the sanctity of marriage. The fat guy saying pot smokers lack self-control etc.

[–]NewAnimal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"He's got a thyroid condition!"

[–]mrlint 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know (as I haven't personally read it) if that is a direct moviebob quote, however it'd be nice to have common quotes autolinked. Or mebbe a button in the editor to add them in.

[–]scionesciam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe here's the tweet that my quote originates from. https://mobile.twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/521611454689312768 It was pretty much one year ago. Don't have an archive link sry.

[–]qewuoiryt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hah! No bad targets either, they're just Raising Awareness™. Just another way for people to do terrible things and feel good about it later (or while doing it).

[–]Arkene 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

THEY ARE NOT LIBERALS!

[–]Paranoidsbible 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, they are. Welcome to the modern era where they work to change the definition of words so they can use the respect and foundation of those words to give themselves power.

[–]scionesciam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Content not context one might say. ^

[–]YurilicaPurple, White, and Green 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

Croatians reading Salon

I know one of those. Just one. And i consider myself lucky to not know more that drink the kool aid.

[–]YetRoundAndRoundWeGo[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Thats the part I dont get. One of the coolest people I know, we have massive amounts of stuff in common, proudly sent me a Salon link that Gaters are pissed of at John Oliver, since we were both fans

[–]YurilicaPurple, White, and Green 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ignorance. Maybe willful, but still just ignorance.

Most young(i assume they're young in your case) "liberals" like that don't see a problem with talking about stuff they never really understood, don't see a problem with relying just on one source of information. They see someone's opinion, a singular interpretation - and treat it as gospel. It becomes Truth.

Ironically, the one i know is the child of a major government official. So, upper class, privileged as all hell - but has no problem with "preaching" to other people about privilege.

It's also fashionable to be a "liberal" these days among young people, even though they don't really understand what that means. Not understanding something as basic as the concept of tolerance - live & let live & shit.

Trend-liberals like that are basically preachers, out in a crusade to purge wrongthink.

They have no idea how fragile their personalities are with that kind of approach to life. The moment their perception of reality is threatened, they lash out. The fallout damages themselves more than anyone else though.

I'm very close to 30 now and i've had my share of life lessons, enough to teach me that nothing is ever as simple as it seems and everything that interests you requires a multi-perspective view.

[–]Urishima 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most young(i assume they're young in your case) "liberals" like that don't see a problem with talking about stuff they never really understood, don't see a problem with relying just on one source of information. They see someone's opinion, a singular interpretation - and treat it as gospel. It becomes Truth.

Yeah, that's younger me. God, I am glad I wisened up. Age and life experience seem to be effective red pills for most.

[–]YetRoundAndRoundWeGo[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah that was me also, to an extent at least. Funny thing is, it was tge Fappening and its double standards that broke the bubble for me

[–]YurilicaPurple, White, and Green 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

All i can say is - don't treat people like that as enemies, especially if they're young.

They're young & dumb. Maybe they'll wisen up, maybe not. Your call on whether you want to keep them around yourself or not.

But for young people, it's very easy to fall into the the trap of faux-liberalism.

[–]CircusController 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

live & let live & shitpost

i smell a nu may may

[–]YurilicaPurple, White, and Green 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh btw, i'd be very curious about what they think about Salon's defense of pedophilia lately.

[–]Feel_Free_To_Downvot 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know man, why extremist lefties have hot for doxxing.

Few years back local insurance company ran add, capitalizing on well known stereotype how women are bad drivers. Of course feminists pissed themselves, that's understable and everything but when chief feminist started doxxing everyone who was involved in making this add shit got nasty. Reasonable people called out on this BS but response was, this is only way to stop filthy patriarchy from oppressing poor women :(

[–]DangerChipmunk 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

A bunch of crazy redneck right wingers

So out of curiosity, what are Croatian rednecks like?

[–]YetRoundAndRoundWeGo[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ho ho ho thats an interesting question. Well then a short rundown of key facts if I were to construct a straw man or a stereotype:

-comes from a rural area, obviously, the most popular choice being the mountains in Lika

-is a devout Christian, considering even the Pope a shill placed there by the zionist/aliens/lizard-people/ consiracy flavour of the month. He considers himself The last bastion of christianity

  • hate communists, think of socialst hate in America. Thats even funnier when you consider that the party they vote for has many ex communist

-votes for HDZ, a populist right wing party that basis its program on God, anti communits and nacionalist ideas

  • fucking hates Serbs. Like even more than the Klan hated black people in the past. Opposes hanging them because its too nice of a death for them.

-hates gays

  • hates anything pro Europe or the EU.

Again this is a straw man but you get the point.

[–]ProblematicReality[🍰] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

hate communists

Nothing wrong with that.

[–]totes_not_a_memer 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's always okay when they do it.

[–]Gnokey 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their hypocrisy will always be our biggest advantage over them.

[–]ThisIsWhoWeR 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

For SJWs, no principles. Only principals.

[–]doctor_oroboros 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doxxing is wrong no matter what. It's like being racist to a racist does not cancel it out, all you've done is create an infinite amount more of hatred to be experienced in the world. Few offences are as vitriolic as doxxing a person.

[–]oroboroboro 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why they hate doxxing trolls so much, they fold fascist activism onto itself.

[–]Paranoidsbible 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't anything new.

A lot of you are just now being exposed to the hypocrisy and "scorched Earth" tactics used by various political groups. And, without going into a history lesson or arguing semantics, doxing has and always will be a part of the "shaming and blame" sub-culture found within political movements. There are a lot of examples, like name and shaming found in the 60s on college campuses with posters of "bigots" and "racists".

It doesn't matter who or what the supposed offender is, what matters is they didn't toe the line. They dissented or voiced an different opinion or belief, ergo they're practicing "Wrong think" or a "Thought crime". this isn't wholly uncommon, just not as public as it is now with the internet. This is one reason why I'm constantly shouting "PROPER OPSEC!" at people online, but I digress.

The issue here is that they aren't truly committing any grievous act since your true doxing is usually more fleshed out than just having publicly available information like a full name, age, birthdate, home address, phone number or email address. So, in a sense, they didn't truly dox anyone, however they did post information that many view as personal when it isn't.

Rule of thumb here being: Can it be found on Google or the Phone books?

Basically info you can buy, find or checkout at records or your local government office.

So the issue at hand is that you're now seeing how we've no real anonymity online without taking an active role in ensuring that we lower our data footprint.

Now, I do agree this shouldn't have happened. And with the current political environment, this does put the woman in question in harm's way as many people treat anyone with a slightly right leaning political PoV as something to be extinguished. She needs to start working toward cleaning her online presence and doing a complete overhaul of her offline security. I mean, ensure her locks are bump key proof, get blackout curtains, switch her voice mail message on all her phones (landline and cell) to the default robotic voice. She'll even want to look into getting a P.O. box to ensure no one can snag her mail when she isn't there to get it right away.

Since she is a political figurehead, in a sense, people will look toward ruining her life and potentially her ability to work and be independent. This means they'll attack not only her but also her friends, family and work. People will go out of their way to do things like sign her up hookup sites, mail things to her and even go as far as to poison her animals if she has any.

I'd offer up an anti-dox guide that I'm helping do research for, however it's quite... Americentric and only does so much for a non-American citizen (as in the opt-outs). She may be able to find some good info in there, like blurring out her house on various map sites, yet the only she can do now is doubledown and start battening down the hatches.

In the end, this can only serve as a good example for everyone that sees it: No matter who or what you are, you're in a position to be targeted. Take care and work on lowering your online footprint through opting out various services and databases. Work on lowering your social media presence, and always use different usernames and email addresses for each account.

It also serves to show you how the Left more likely than the Right will resort to outright dropping names and information in order to send their following into a mad frenzy. Sort of like how Fascists or Communists would name and blame people who were against them, you now have the Left doing the exact same thing in order to put any dissidents into harm's way to serve as a reminder that dissent means the removal of safety.

[–]SRSLovesGawker 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"No bad tactics, only bad targets."

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