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I met this girl, Laura, 8 months ago at a party. She's that great kind of crazy, a whir of energy and fun and always happy and smiling. I asked her out and she turned me down but offered friendship. I accepted. She's a magnetic force. You know one of those people that might be kind of magic? Two months of friendship later, we hook up after $2 drink night.
She wakes up, kicks me out, says she's sorry, we made a mistake. Sex with her made me like her more (right?) but I was a little hurt by her abrupt change in feelings. I text her later that night, asking to meet up. A long conversation later, we agree to date romantically, but she was pretty insistent it not be sexually exclusive. I guessed that meant she doesn't like monogamy and I was hesitant but also intrigued.
I've been stupid happy for the last six months. She's the BEST girlfriend I have ever had. She might be the best person I have ever met. She's an occupational therapist that works with special needs kids and in her free time she volunteers and advocates for people with special needs. I've learned so much from her.
I've brought up the non-monogamy a couple times. I'm really curious if she's sleeping with someone else or if maybe I'm the other guy. She just smiled and told me that we didn't need to exchange the details. We use protection.
The thing is I don't want anyone else. Laura is everything I want and need in a partner. I know it's early but this is the kind of girl I could see myself marrying. I'm 29, it's time to think about these things.
I knew she gave massages on the side. Being an LMT is part of her job and private massage pays pretty well (where her job does not). I teased her about it when we first met, oooooh, free massages! and she shut it down, fast. I get that. It was stupid of me to say. She was weird about talking about her massage job. She'd change the subject fast.
I found out that she gives release massages in the most humiliating way possible. This asshole I barely know at the gym came up to me and said, "Are you dating Laura? I saw you two at the concert." I told him we were. He WINKS at me and says, "That girl is GREAT with her hands. Mouth too." I figured they had dated or something but another guy at the gym that I am kinda friends with told me the asshole guy was telling everyone that would listen that my girlfriend jacks off and sucks off guys for money.
Of course I had a long conversation about this with Laura. I wish she had told me herself. I actually totally get why she does it, 3 massages a week allows her to pay bills and not stress over money. She goes to their houses and it's arranged through some agency. She didn't want to talk about it initially, but she finally told me. She swears she doesn't have p-in-v/a sex, she doesn't use her mouth, only her hands. She wears gloves when she does it too.
She was really upset and it killed me to see her like that. I was pretty harsh when I confronted her. She told me that's why she's so hesitant to get into relationships, because she actually is monogamous by nature and doesn't want to feel bad about this other 'job'. She also said she would not quit for a relationship or a guy. She'll quit when she wants to quit.
It's been a couple days and I've gotten over the shock of it all. I guess it wasn't cheating but I feel cheated. I feel cheated out of the greatest relationship I've ever known. Laura wakes me up with head and makes me breakfast in bed. She treats me like a king. She's rational and not like any other girl I've ever dated. She's fucking gorgeous. She's so understanding and kind.
I'm rambling. But Im a mess. I'm pretty sure I love this girl and she's basically a prostitute.
TL;DR: Girlfriend is a 'release' masseuse and didn't tell me. I'm not sure what to do. Anyone have experience with this? Should I try to live with this knowing it bothers me?
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[–]ender_less 833 points834 points835 points  (23 children)
You have 2 big issues to over come here:
  1. It seems that you're more interested in monogamous relationships, and she has explicitly told you that she isn't. "Ignorance is bliss" might have worked up until now, but you're not on equal playing fields and you're only going to get hurt finding out who she is sexual with besides you.
  2. Her "message" profession. She is a sex worker; she is exchanging sexual acts for money. If you're not morally comfortable with that then it's not going to work out.
You are not required to be OK with her being a sex worker. She's entitled to do what she wants (you're not in an established relationship), but you're also not required to be comfortable with it. If you can't accept her exchanging sex for money then leave, other wise you'll just resent her.
[–]entertainedbygwar 401 points402 points403 points  (17 children)
Problem 3: when her clients are his acquaintances, and they go public with it - seems to be somehow the worse than the other two. Damn, talk about a shitty way for OP to find out his girlfriend is handy.
And is it just me that thinks there is a big difference between standard non-monogamy and getting paid for sexual services?
[–]iamagainstit 266 points267 points268 points  (1 child)
she also works for the public school system so could probably be fired if the wrong people found out she was a sexworker.
[–]TheHatOnTheCat 148 points149 points150 points  (0 children)
I feel like this should be higher up. Everyone working in special education/education/with children needs a clean background check every single time they are hired. OP's gf is taking a HUGE risk that honestly I don't think is wise. If this is illegal where she lives she could never work again in a career that she clearly cares about. I really think she needs to rethink that.
Even if it is legal if it gets out she could end up losing her job and with a reputation that makes her hard to hire. People judge sex workers and they expect educators to be "moral" examples for children. Especially special needs children have to be with people seen as trustworthy they are extra vulnerable.
[–]half-dozen-cats 115 points116 points117 points  (2 children)
And although this isn't anywhere near the biggest issue, is she going to keep this asshole as a client? I mean he pretty much just outed her in the worst way possible.
[–]epicwisdom 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
If you want to go for the pretty revenge route, you could start saying that said asshole has a micropenis (and a complex about it), which is why he uses her services.
[–]alyssinelysium 36 points37 points38 points  (0 children)
I'm not gonna lie i probably would've said something like "glad to know you think my girlfriends good enough that you paid for a hand job, I get in free." And walked away
[–]JustARoomba 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
when her clients are his acquaintances, and they go public with it
This is the sort of thing that can be expected to keep happening if OP stays with Laura and she stays in this profession.
[–]SuB2007 31 points32 points33 points  (0 children)
No, I also think there is a big difference. Something about completely depersonalizing sex...making it no more "intimate" than being served a meal at a restaurant...makes it 100x less appealing. But that's just me.
[–]ender_less 16 points17 points18 points  (3 children)
to find out his girlfriend is handy
Hahaha
Yea, that's a great 3rd point as well. Not only will he have to overcome her "career choice", but the public stigmata surrounding it.
I left it open ended, since it's really OP's moral's and interpretation about her profession. My personal preferences might not be the same as his. Some people are comfortable with dating a sex worker, most aren't. I honestly think it's waaay too much drama for 6 months in, but hey, it's not my rodeo.
[–]MarilynMunster 76 points77 points78 points  (2 children)
public stigmata
sounds like a handjob gone well and truly wrong.
[–]DragonflyGrrl 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
That is hilarious. As soon as I read "public stigmata" I looked to the responses to see if anyone had commented, you did not disappoint.
(Ender_less: It's stigma in case you're wondering; stigmata is bloody holes in the palms of your hands, reminiscent of Jesus's nail wounds. Well and truly wrong, indeed!)
[–]Cowgirl97 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
This may be my favorite comment ever.
[–]ontheshore711 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
In a way i think what she is doing is better. All the insecurities that come to mind when i think about my partner with someone else are emotional connection, passion and them being more sexually aroused by someone else. It sounds like OP's gf's version of sex work is so sterile and emotionless (gloves and hand only) that i feel like it would be easier to deal with than her going out and having possibly emotional and equally sexually stimulating experiences with others.
[–]SWABteam 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
I would say there is especially when you consider she wasn't really honost with who else she was seeing.
I mean how could an open relationship work if one partner refused to tell who they were having sex with? Double so if it was for money. I mean she doesn't really control who here clients are. Part of poly I assume would be discretion, what if OP'S boss hired her? And then he brought her to a work function.
Basically she needs to be more honost, this isn't just non monogamy, it is another level.
[–]nefhar 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
He probably wouldn't have dated her if she was honest.
[–]strps 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
Yes there is, she is a prostitute, and in most places that is illegal.
[–]entertainedbygwar -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
That's not what I meant but you're not wrong either.
[–]beepblahboo -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
'Hand ddddddddick'
[–]iamagainstit 32 points33 points34 points  (0 children)
She told me that's why she's so hesitant to get into relationships, because she actually is monogamous by nature and doesn't want to feel bad about this other 'job'.
It sounds like she might actually be willing to become monogamous other than her professional relations, so issue 1 might not be that big of a deal
Issue 2 however is a big one, and I would add 2b. The fact that she didn't tell him and he had to find out from some asshole from the gym. Sex work is a big deal to some people and is separate from non monogamy. I think it is kind of a big deal that she hadn't told him about it 6 months into the relationship.
[–]ElectronErotica 58 points59 points60 points  (0 children)
I feel cheated out of the greatest relationship I've ever known.
Not sure why OP feels justified in feeling this way. She turned him down when he initially asked her out. She only dated OP begrudgingly. She has been sparse with details but has been absolutely clear they are not in a monogamous relationship.
OP on the other hand clearly wants to settle down into a committed monogamous relationship. Instead of actually listening to all the signs indicating otherwise he's gone and fallen in love with her. Heaping all his unfair expectations on her in the process.
I'll fault the gf for two things...not being pickier about discrete clients and giving OP a general heads up. Regardless of these two faults, OP still did this to himself.
[–]AeonSavvy -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
I don't think the issue is that she's getting paid to make guys cum, it's that she's making guys cum.
[–]asa93 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
She lied too and put OP in a bad position.
[–]fishsticks_inmymouth -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
she actually is monogamous by nature and doesn't want to feel bad about this other 'job'
You can be romantically monogamous, but work in the sex industry. If you're emotionally committed to a person, I consider that to be monogamous. But, idk, I suppose most people can't see the term "monogamous" in that light.
[–]TheDeathMessage 152 points153 points154 points  (5 children)
She is a sex worker. If you can live with that, cool. If not, then leave. It is all about what you are comfortable with and what you can stand to deal with from the "outside".
It is really important to highlight that latter part because I have bad news that should be pretty obvious: your girlfriend isn't being too smart about how she makes money on the side. Her clients clearly cannot keep their mouths shut. Her career with children WILL be over once enough people hear about it. Can you deal with more people making those comments? If not, you are wasting your time.
Also, I would be really suspicious about her claims regarding giving hand jobs with gloves. Realistically, who is going to pay for a hand job from a completely clothed girl wearing gloves? I am going to bet that is a very tiny market. She already didn't tell you about what she was doing in the first place. I would be very suspicious that there is more going on.
If you choose to stick around, do so with no expectation that she will change. She has told you she doesn't want to, so don't expect her to. If you cannot live with that thought, move on. You are barking up the wrong tree.
[–]gosparkgo 71 points72 points73 points  (4 children)
Another thing that's confusing is that she's getting paid so little as an OT. That requires a master's degree, and according to Google has an average salary of 75,000. I know OTs working in school make less than private practice, but it would still be 40k+. Definitely shouldn't be a career where she has to engage in sex work to survive.
[–]CaliforniaJade 38 points39 points40 points  (0 children)
That's what I was thinking as well. A full time occupational therapist should be able to pay their monthly expenses with just that salary. A good massage therapist (legitimate) in my area can get $100 a session, 3 sessions a week x 4, that's $1200 a month before taxes.
Why risk your career to be a sex worker, is she paying off student loans or something?
[–]katiethered 40 points41 points42 points  (2 children)
Definitely shouldn't be a career where she has to engage in sex work to survive.
Perhaps she started doing massages on the side while in school, and continues to do it because she likes it. Not the act itself, but the fact that three massages a week can cover all her bills. That's a pretty good deal and probably allows her to be more choosy about what OT job she takes because she doesn't completely rely on it for money (maybe she's part time, maybe working with kids pays less, etc).
Or, maybe she DOES like doing it. I doubt she's going to come straight out and tell OP that, but she's a person with free will, she's allowed to like it.
[–]SWABteam 38 points39 points40 points  (0 children)
See and that is what reeks of bullshit. Completely clothed latex gloved hand jobs three times a week are not going to cover all your bills. Something doesn't add up. I would guess there is way more going on here then what she initially said.
[–]gosparkgo 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
No hate on her if she likes it, just OP's post made it sound like she did not make much as an OT and would be hard pressed to pay bills if she didn't do the massages. That wouldn't be the case for typical full time OT position, so I feel like he's either making incorrect assumptions about her finances, she has an atypically low paying position and is unwilling to look for a new one, or she is misrepresenting the situation to the OP. As others have also stated, if she works with kids and her massage clients are not being discreet she could easily lose her job.
[–]trolltrolling 75 points76 points77 points  (15 children)
Is it that she didn't tell you that's bothering you? Or that she does it at all? That would be an awful way to find out and I'm sorry.
[–]Throwit29[S] 51 points52 points53 points  (14 children)
I'm hurt she didn't tell me sooner. I haven't decided how I feel about her doing it. It doesn't help that our conversation got cut short because she had to work...I got all pissed off and stormed off. I'm embarrassed by how I acted. She's so rational and understanding of my garbage.
[–]Dolomite808 47 points48 points49 points  (0 children)
It's ok to feel how you feel. You don't have to accept it if you don't want to, no matter how rational and understanding she is. If it's a deal-breaker, it's a deal-breaker.
She doesn't have to stop doing what she is doing, but if it's too much for you, then it doesn't make you the bad guy for not sticking around. Most importantly, don't stay if you are not comfortable with it now. You probably won't get more comfortable over time and will grow to resent her instead.
[–]trolltrolling 20 points21 points22 points  (8 children)
You don't have to lose the greatest relationship you've ever known if you don't want to
[–]Res_lpsa_Loquitur comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points  (7 children)
Is it really the greatest if she's literally giving random men handjobs multiple times per week?
Everything else can be perfect, but this may very well be a dealbreaker (and it would be for most men).
[–]trolltrolling 32 points33 points34 points  (6 children)
Yes he can absolutely have the greatest relationship ever with someone who is doing their job providing a sexual service. They are not random men, they are paying clients. Yes it could be a deal breaker. Yes a lot of men need to be a woman's exclusive sexual partner to feel secure but there are plenty of people who can rise above that default possessiveness and understand that relationships are about more than sexual exclusivity and many relationships aren't sexually exclusive.
[–]epicwisdom 31 points32 points33 points  (4 children)
There's a reason sexual exclusivity is so common, and why people need to be mature in the extreme to have open relationships. Some people view sex as something more than just recreation, and in most cases that's justified. I see what you mean, but that doesn't make somebody's exclusive relationship something they need to "rise above."
[–]JustARoomba 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Mature is not the word I would use, only because it implies that people who choose exclusive relationships are immature.
Either one can be the right choice for a person.
It's just so common with open relationships that one person enters it because the other one makes non-exclusivity a condition, hoping for it to become no longer a condition at some point.
[–]trolltrolling -12 points-11 points-10 points  (2 children)
Except sexual exclusivity isn't that common. Cheating is ridiculously common. Non-monogamous relationships are under represented and under reported because they are stigmatized. I'm saying rise above possessiveness. If two people want monogamy than that's great, but I hope it's for better reasons than to avoid jealousy. I think sex is the stuff of life! To feel joy and pleasure is why we're here!
[–]epicwisdom 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
Cheating is common, maybe, but not good, I think we can agree. It doesn't really make sense to say the commonness of cheating justifies polygamy etc, since the issue with cheating is hurting one's SO.
And some of us aren't hedonists :P
[–]trolltrolling comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
Dishonesty with a partner isn't good but there is nothing wrong with consensual polyamory on non-monogamy. Not all of us are puritans.
[–]eccentricgiraffe comment score below threshold-23 points-22 points-21 points  (2 children)
I got all pissed off and stormed off
Gee, I wonder why she didn't tell you sooner.
[–]meatiersauce 39 points40 points41 points  (0 children)
I dunno, I feel like if he'd found out from her and not some random dudebro in a bar it would've been easier. Like, he'd still be upset but at least he wouldn't have been blindsided by one of her clients.
[–]not_impressive -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
Yeah, sex workers can end up in a lot of danger if they disclose... I can 100% see why she'd do that.
[–]dasg1214 -6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
It's one thing to not feel personally comfortable with it, it's another thing to be, as you've said, an asshole about it. How exactly did you respond? She doesn't deserve to be treated disrespectfully under any circumstances. Your response could be a factor here, it's important to at least be aware of that possibility.
[–]Dead-Kennedies 152 points153 points154 points  (13 children)
She has gloves on when she gives handy j's? Yeah sure dude.
[–]catharticwhoosh 87 points88 points89 points  (3 children)
First thing that came to my mind. She would have zero business if this were true, and would be a joke on the street (review boards). It is an obvious lie. Because of this I would then suspect the part about not giving head is also a lie, especially since a "friend" specifically mentioned it. Next questions should be BBBJ, BBBJTC, BBBJTCNQNS? OP has that to deal with and can ask her what those mean. If it weren't for her dishonesty about the gloves I'd say it's a choice of either accepting or not accepting her profession. It's worse than that.
[–]SWABteam 46 points47 points48 points  (0 children)
For the lazy I Googled it.
BBBJ= Bare Back Blow Job (No Condom)
BBBJTC= Bare Back Blow Job To Completion.
BBBJTCNQNS= Bare Back Blow Job To Completion No Quit No Spit = cum swallowing.
[–]AL_DENTE_OR_NOTHING 27 points28 points29 points  (1 child)
You'd be surprised what lonely guys will pay for
[–]missmisfit 44 points45 points46 points  (0 children)
For reals. I was a strip club waitress and dudes spent tons of money just to have someone sit next to them. I never so much as showed a single tit but a lonely dude might still drop $50.00 just for a little kindness. What would that dude have given me for a gloved handy - a lot more than $50.00.
[–]Res_lpsa_Loquitur 26 points27 points28 points  (8 children)
Absolutely. Trickle-truth at it's finest.
Also not entirely sure she doesn't use her mouth - the coworker specifically said she did.
[–]cliath 27 points28 points29 points  (7 children)
Cuz guys who go bragging about being with prostitutes are the most trustworthy people.
[–]jesuschin 44 points45 points46 points  (1 child)
He's not trying to impress anyone by saying he hooked up with a girl. He's saying that he paid for some chick to get him off. Why would he lie about getting a blowjob too?
[–]cliath 40 points41 points42 points  (0 children)
He told OP as a show of dominance to humiliate him. That's it. If your goal is to humiliate people then exaggeration is not out of the ordinary.
[–]emphesym 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
"I'm so hot I pay girls to have sex with me"
[–]Noodlebowlz 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
How does bragging make you untrustworthy?
[–]cliath -4 points-3 points-2 points  (2 children)
Did you read the rest of the sentence?
[–]Noodlebowlz 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Yeah, how does sleeping with a prostitute making you untrustworthy?
[–]gokurakumaru 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
I'd believe the John over the hooker. Gloves. Give me a break.
[–]fluffybunnybutts 167 points168 points169 points  (9 children)
She swears she doesn't have p-in-v/a sex, she doesn't use her mouth, only her hands. She wears gloves when she does it too.
I'm kind of concerned she's trickle-truthing though, because she didn't admit what she did til you found out.
[–]emphesym 49 points50 points51 points  (1 child)
Yeah, who gives $250 for a gloved handjob?
[–]Cuddle_Apocalypse -8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
You'd be surprised what people with too much spare cash will...um...blow it on.
[–]mootblock 138 points139 points140 points  (2 children)
Definitely trickle-truthing, I have no reason to believe the guy at the gym was lying when he said she does oral.
[–]fluffybunnybutts 88 points89 points90 points  (0 children)
Yeah, especially since the rest of what he said was true.
[–]transistorsister 22 points23 points24 points  (3 children)
I don't think it's fair to accuse her of trickle truthing. She never cheated on OP and never lied to him at any point prior. She wants her privacy, yet OP keeps steamrolling her into a relationship she never intended to have.
[–]buttztuff 56 points57 points58 points  (0 children)
never lied to him at any point prior.
It's called lying by omission. She never informed him that she was a sex worker and he had to find out from one of her clients in a public space instead of her.
[–]Sic1337 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
OP is not forcing her to be him, either. If she wants to be alone she just has to say so. For the trickling truthing comment, I also think she is trickling truthing him now. I mean 3 massages a week and she makes than on her regular job? Handjobs with gloves? She is saying lesser things to spare OP feelings.
[–]Raknarg 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
She did lie. She created a situation which led him to believe something that wasn't true on purpose. This is lying just as much as saying an untruth, I have an ex who never lies, but does this kind of manipulation like a master
[–]DawnsCubed 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
You have to work out for yourself if you can remain in this non-monogamous relationship with a sex worker, and her not-technically-cheating. I'm a bit concerned about her lifestyle choices in regard to her chosen career....
Your GF works in the public school system with children as an OT, does side work as a prostitute, and one of (at least) her Johns is spreading that info around town. I realize she has Ivy League student loans to pay, but if the school system fires her for breaching the ethical/moral clause she signed when hired, or worse, she is also arrested, her life could go down in flames.
[–]ColorOfInfinity 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
I was thinking the same thing, she's risking her career by doing this side job. If she gets arrested she could potentially never be able to work with kids again. How you conduct yourself is often subject to more a critical eye when you work with children. Even if she was never convicted of something, rumors could have a negative impact. OP needs to think about being with someone who doesn't seem to care much about this.
[–]Sigmund_Six 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
She's definitely taking some big risks. If one massage client connects her to her day job, she's going to lose her career.
[–]Mystik-Spiral 226 points227 points228 points  (12 children)
I understand why it would be a turn off for a lot of people, I'm not sure I would get involved with someone who is a sex worker... but, on the list of things that sex workers do, giving out a few handy-j's is pretty tame.
Listen, she's doing it for the money. She doesn't like these guys, she's not interested in them romantically, she probably isn't even attracted to them, they are walking wallets to her. They're stupid enough to pay a girl to give them a HJ when they could just sit on their own hand until it's numb and play pretend. Frankly, I can't say I blame her for raking in the extra easy money.
So, I guess it's up to you to decide what you want to do and how you feel about this. Is it a big enough deal to forego the best relationship of your life? Do a few HJ's negate everything else that is so wonderful about her?
Yes, she should have been upfront and honest, but I think we can all understand why she wasn't. It's a hard pill for most people to swallow, and really, no one's business but her's anyway, especially since she made sure to keep the relationship non-exclusive, which you agreed to.
The best advice I can give to you, is talk. You are adults; sit down and talk like adults with each other and hear each other's sides and tell each other how you are feeling. Maybe things will work out, maybe you won't be able to get over it, but first things first, you need to do some thinking and some talking.
[–]MySweetUsername 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
sit on their own hand until it's numb and play pretend
the good 'ole "stranger".
[–]laurelinien 69 points70 points71 points  (2 children)
I like everything you said, I agree 100%. OP, I invite you to sit and think about what you're feeling, and why you feel it. I've noticed /r/relationships to be pretty anti-sexwork. Sexworkers are people too, I consider it a much more honest job than, say, lobbyists. She sounds like a cool girl who has her shit together.
[–]fruitpunching 27 points28 points29 points  (0 children)
I'm totally supportive of sex work, but I personally don't think sex should be a commodity and wouldn't have a relationship with a sex worker. It's a reasonable deal breaker.
[–]Mystik-Spiral 31 points32 points33 points  (0 children)
Exactly, sex workers are people to, and regardless of popular opinion or social stigma, to them, it's just a job. In fact, if I remember correctly, I remember reading that in places where prostitution and the like are legal, sex workers have a higher rate of job satisfaction than most other working people.
[–]Throwit29[S] 23 points24 points25 points  (3 children)
1) really love your username. Laura introduced me to Daria and we marathoned it in a day!
2) I do need to talk to her. I feel bad how we left it. I was an asshole.
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    [–]Throwit29[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
    Huh?
    [–]Mystik-Spiral 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
    AHHAHA, sorry, wrong thread!
    Anyway! Talking is good, and you weren't necessarily an asshole, just reactive, which is understandable. I think you guys can work things out, because, like I said, a few HJs are NOT the worst thing she could be doing.
    [–]emphesym 19 points20 points21 points  (3 children)
    Eh, I think it was pretty shitty of her to get into a relationship where she wasn't honest about the non-monogamy policies. Maybe that's because I really value transparency and honesty, though. Like I get why she did it but she doesn't get into relationships because of this... She should have told him straight up, instead of risking him finding out, breaking up, and hurting both of them in the process. A 6 month relationship isn't that short - he would find out or she would have to tell him eventually.
    Yeah he jumped the gun by being all "girlfriend! <3" and treating it like a monogamous relationship without inquiry but... she lied about being a prostitute
    [–]blackrat47 24 points25 points26 points  (2 children)
    What? She was completely honest about the non-monogamy policies. She refused to enter into a relationship before she established very clearly that the policy was non-monogamy.
    [–]grimacedia 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    Being a sex worker isn't a secret you can keep for long- she should have been honest with OP instead of letting him find out from a third party. For some people it is a dealbreaker, so they deserve to know.
    [–]emphesym 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
    Not really, she was honest about non-monogamy yeah but that's all she was honest about. If I'm dating someone for 6 months, I want them to trust me enough to and respect our relationship enough to tell me what non-monogamy entails. How long would she hide it from him?
    [–]bluedotishappy 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
    Well, only you know if your girlfriend being a sex worker is a deal-breaker or not. It's OK to have boundaries, it doesn't make you a bad person or a prude to avoid relationship situations that make you uncomfortable. Be upfront and own your feelings. I think that's the most important thing to figure out before you tackle being hurt that she hid it from you.
    Also, ignore that guy at the gym. He thinks he has the right to judge her for performing a service HE paid for.
    [–]lyssummers 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Omg THIS. He's the one so hard up he has to pay for it. What right does he have to judge.
    [–]mollyweasley 61 points62 points63 points  (5 children)
    Do you really believe it's hands only, with gloves? As much of a dbag as the gym guy was, I'd want to ask around and find out if there was any truth to his claim that she gives BJs too. If she is, then not only is that probably a way harder pill to swallow for you (lol), but it also means she's a liar.
    [–]kallas55 17 points18 points19 points  (4 children)
    He should book her to find out...
    [–]osteyo -28 points-27 points-26 points  (3 children)
    Why would you say something like that? Seriously? Very rude of you.
    [–]kallas55 12 points13 points14 points  (2 children)
    I was just trying to be funny :(
    Why was it rude ?
    [–]osteyo comment score below threshold-23 points-22 points-21 points  (1 child)
    It was a demeaning comment to make.
    [–]kallas55 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
    She is putting her sexuality for sale.. How is it demeaning ? Unless you consider sex work demeaning
    [–]NoBlueKoolAid 32 points33 points34 points  (0 children)
    She has the right to keep the job. You have the right to consider it a dealbreaker.
    [–]ignayshus 20 points21 points22 points  (0 children)
    She has a job whereby she gives handjobs to other guys for money.
    Do you believe she's honest about the extent of her activities?
    Can you TRULY accept that this is part of the way she pays her bills at the moment and not try to force change on her or be resentful?
    If you answer no to either of these, it's time to go back to just friendship or accept the non-monogamous friends with benefits and stop looking at her like a girlfriend.
    If you can answer yes to those, then stop worrying about it. It's unlikely to continue forever and as you said, she's everything you've ever hoped for.
    [–]JAYDEA 98 points99 points100 points  (3 children)
    You're barking up the wrong tree bro. You're looking to marry a woman who is not into monogamy and is essentially a sex worker. Don't expect her to change just because you want to marry her. If you're not OK with what she does and she's clearly not going to change her lifestyle in the foreseeable future, you can either accept it or move on.
    [–]BabySass 45 points46 points47 points  (2 children)
    She said she is into monogamy actually but stated it wouldn't be that type of relationship because of her side job, it doesn't sound like she's having other sexual relationships just the hand jobs as part of her work,
    [–]Odramabama 29 points30 points31 points  (0 children)
    Yeah she could've said to be monogamous and still do her job, but she didn't. She knew her job makes the relationship non exclusive and she kept her word on that.
    [–]likitmtrs 8 points9 points10 points  (10 children)
    So I'm a bit confused about her reasoning for doing the "happy ending massage?"
    My sister is an occupational therapist and she makes about $35 an hour with awesome benefits. So unless you live in an area where you are just saturated with the field (and even then, only the ones who aren't that great at the job wouldn't be able to get a position) I don't understand why she doesn't have a full time job making bank.
    I'm of two minds about the side job itself though. On the one hand, she should have told you about it early on in the relationship. The only reason she didn't is because she didn't want you to break up with her, which makes her a little less great than you were thinking she was.
    On the other hand, I agree with the people who are pointing out that giving hand jobs is like the mildest form of prostitution there is. She uses gloves even! It's almost clinical sounding. I think if she had just been open about the whole thing from the beginning you might have been able to get over it and everything would have been ok. It's just that she kept it a secret that I even have an issue with it.
    There is nothing inherently wrong with sex work. I don't judge anyone for it and I don't think you should either. But I think you have the right to do whatever you feel is right for you. So if you can't get over it, you can't get over it.
    But I would still wonder why she can't get a good paying job in her field? Because that seems weird to me, but maybe different areas of the country are different.
    [–]Throwit29[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (8 children)
    She chooses to work with a school district that can't afford to pay her very much because the kids in poorer areas need the help the most. Plus, it's the school district she grew up in and she wants to give back.
    I've had a shitty day at work. I had a shitty day period. I miss Laura. I've texted her and hope she'll meet up with me tonight to talk this out.
    [–]secretjobthrowaway 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
    I am sorry that you are having a shitty day. I am sorry that the woman you’ve grown to feel so much for was hiding this secret.
    But, generally, in the US, sex workers don’t work with kids. I mean. I feel weird even typing that out. Maybe someone will prove me wrong on this. Maybe it's totally fine. Maybe it even happens all the time, and I'm just naive. But I cannot imagine most school districts would take kindly to finding out this sort of information about their employees.
    Whether or not you can work through this. Already somebody’s outed her. I’d be worried not so much that she’d be fired if she’s found out but that she’d be suspected of having committed illegal acts with students.
    I wouldn’t comment one way or the other were she just a traditional massage therapist. But once you throw special needs kids into the mix, it just seems dodgy to me.
    Combining a nice do-gooder job with an illegal one just makes her seem like every moralist minister or priest or senator who talked a very good game but turned out actually to be having affairs on the side. Maybe you think she's such a good person that everyone should be able to look past that. But I don't think most school districts or parents of special needs kids would agree with you.
    [–]likitmtrs 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
    Ahh, a school district. That makes sense.
    So it sounds like she's really just doing this to make money. You have to decide if it bothers you that much.
    I'm sorry you had a crappy day. I seriously admire OT's. Their job is challenging (especially with kids like Laura works with) and she doesn't even get the reward of a good paycheck like my sister does.
    Good luck to you both, OP. I, personally, think you guys can get through this if you both want to. You just have to decide if that's what you want to do.
    [–]Throwit29[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
    I'm overwhelmed with all these responses. The thing that I keep thinking is this: if she wants me, I want her. I think I can handle this, especially if there's an end game.
    Everyone telling me to dump her, I read that and it feels wrong. That's not what I want. I want to make it work with her.
    [–]ClashofClansBeer 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
    I honestly don't care what you decide to do as far as your relationship is concerned. Whether you're willing to look past it or not is up to you, but what you HAVE to do is have a serious conversation with her about it.
    It's obvious from your post that you care about this woman a great deal. She's being an idiot. She choses to work in a poor school district for vulnearable children that need her help the most. She'll get fired, investigated, sued, turned into a social pariah the instant, INSTANT she's outed. She already jerked off one loud mouth douchebag. She clearly isn't smart about this. She needs to look at what she's doing and realize she's an inch away from her life being 100% totally shattered. She cannot be stupidly denying it just because she gets money for her bills. She'll get nothing but jail time and a blacklist from every future job she'll ever apply to in that career path if she doesn't stop this (literally well before this since it's likely already too late now that big mouth gym rat is telling everyone who will listen).
    If she doesn't understand that, or doesn't want to listen to you, since it might look like you're only saying that so she'll stop doing it and be monogomous, have her look at your post. Look at all the comments saying the same thing. People here aren't stupid. They see problems like this a mile away (and actively avoid that nonsense) and they're giving solid advice about this.
    She's risking the career she loves, and any possibility of a semblence of that in the future for cash. She's not being careful about not getting caught and she needs to truly understand the consequences because clearly she isn't thinking straight about it.
    [–]4175186461 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    3 massages a week allows her to pay bills and not stress over money. She goes to their houses and it's arranged through some agency. She didn't want to talk about it initially, but she finally told me. She swears she doesn't have p-in-v/a sex, she doesn't use her mouth, only her hands. She wears gloves when she does it too.
    There's a lie in there somewhere. 9 gloved handjobs a month does not cover the average person's bills.
    [–]likitmtrs 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    Reddit in general doesn't like sex work. I'm not completely sure why. I'm guessing there are issues with legality and STI's, etc.
    And certainly some people will judge you based on how many people you have had in your mouth, vagina, hand, etc.
    But everyone is different and only you can decide what works for you. If you think you and Laura work and she's the right person for you and you don't mind the sex work, then maybe the two of you can work it out. I would just caution you that she doesn't sound like she is looking for someone to save her and help her give it up - so don't go over there and tell her you'll help her with money if she'll give it up. I don't think she would be happy with that.
    But if you think you can really not judge and can just tell guys like the one who approached you at the gym that it doesn't bother you that your GF can give a good hand job, then I don't personally see any reason why you couldn't have a good relationship with this woman. She sounds pretty wonderful from the way you have described her.
    [–]Aethelric 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Reddit in general doesn't like sex work. I'm not completely sure why.
    It's something that's largely associated with Reddit's "favorite" people: women having sex. Additionally, Reddit's also dominated by Americans, who by-and-large have a negative view of sex work.
    [–]squirrel_statue 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Hey dude, for all the responses and opinions in here, they really don't mean shit.
    The only thing that matters is how you and her want to proceed. Everyone saying to get over it is wrong, everyone who says it's a dealbreaker is wrong. The only right decision is the one you make together.
    [–]transistorsister 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    On the one hand, she should have told you about it early on in the relationship. The only reason she didn't is because she didn't want you to break up with her, which makes her a little less great than you were thinking she was.
    There is another possibility for her not telling.... If OP turns out to be untrustworthy, he could use this information on her side job to blackmail her at the risk of her losing her job with the school. Talking about sex work is a sensitive topic and there are a lot of untrustworthy people out there like gross gym dude.
    [–]ho_made_apple_butter 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    She's your FWB, not your girlfriend. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just understand it for what it is.
    [–]TheKatzMotel 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
    Guys...should we tell him?
    [–]D-redditAvenger 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    Go ahead.
    [–]Mindgate 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    You saw in this "relationship" a lot more than she did. To me it sounds like it was more like a friends with benefits kind of deal with some extra helping in the friends department and you speak in tunes of "she's the one" and marriage and stuff.
    Your expectations were not adequate for that she was telling you she was willing to give. So she does sex work. So much is out. Either deal with it or don't, but truth be told, even if she stops I kind of have this feeling that it won't be you she'll settle down with.
    [–]cheeseborito 103 points104 points105 points  (4 children)
    She's not basically a prostitute, she is a prostitute. And it kind of is shitty on her end to not have told you that herself. However, she dropped a lot of hints that she doesn't wanna be exclusive with you, but I see that you started calling her your girlfriend anyway. You pushed it and are now disappointed with the truth of the matter. From now on, listen when someone shows you who they are or what they want.
    For what it's worth, I really doubt I'd be able to look past her occupation, let alone her lie by omission.
    Edit: What the FUCK is wrong with this thread right now. She's a sex worker and she entirely omitted the fact and strung the dude along. How are so many people ok with this?
    [–]acox1701 50 points51 points52 points  (0 children)
    Mostly, I think, we feel that she handled this about as well as she could. She never lied to him, and she didn't so much "hide" things from him as much as she put up a "no trespassing" sign. That is, she never said she had nothing going on, she simply refused to tell him. By my lights, that absolves her of "lie by omission," but I can see why some people wouldn't agree.
    In the end, OP is really happy with her, and this strikes me as a minor issue. It sounds like he really wants to see it as such, too.
    [–]BabySass 44 points45 points46 points  (1 child)
    Edit: What the FUCK is wrong with this thread right now. She's a sex worker and she entirely omitted the fact and strung the dude along.
    Yeah she omitted the actual sexual acts but stated they were still happening. At the end of the day it was an open relationship and she was upfront about that, she wasn't stringing OP along.
    [–]Res_lpsa_Loquitur 38 points39 points40 points  (0 children)
    Ehhhh 6 months in and no mention that she's a prostitute? Monogamous or not, they were in a serious relationship by that time and at some point she should have had an honest conversation with him about her work.
    [–]setionwheeels 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    There are degrees of exclusivity - there's I am seeing someone else as well, there's I am into open relationships, there's I am into poly- many-, and there's I am getting paid for sex. Getting paid for sex is a valid occupation, whatever, but it doesn't equal non-exclusive in the most common of senses that people ask each other in relationships. She should have been upfront with the information and the fact she isn't comfortable with it makes me question how comfortable she is with actually doing it. She knew that it would upset him and this is the key here.
    I have been to Amsterdam a few times and they have turned the red light district into a rational and sensible thing out in the open. It would have been much much better for OP if she had delivered the information matter-of-factly rather than him finding out in the gym.. and thus having the whole situation a shocker, rather than an issue OP could have weighed on and accepted on his own.
    [–]Toejam-Asshandles 142 points143 points144 points  (8 children)
    Hell yeah dude. Stick with her. You love her, she's gorgeous, and she's a masseuse.
    As far as the funny business, most women jerk dudes off for free. She's gonna jerk her way into a down payment on your first house together. We're all prostitutes. She's just a little more hands-on, dig?
    [–]DrYokozuna 97 points98 points99 points  (2 children)
    LMAO what
    [–]Dolomite808 41 points42 points43 points  (1 child)
    Exactly the kind of advice I'd expect from someone using the handle /u/Toejam-Asshandles.
    [–]honestgirlsthrow 30 points31 points32 points  (2 children)
    Reddit reply of the day hands down. Or would it be hands on?
    [–]Dolomite808 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
    Reddit reply of the day hands up and down.
    Fixed it.
    [–]honestgirlsthrow 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Hope you wore your rubber gloves~
    [–]BabySass 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
    Lol this advice is amazing.
    [–]cutestuffexpedition 31 points32 points33 points  (3 children)
    She didn't "cheat" you. It's not "I guess it wasn't cheating." It wasn't cheating, period. She was doing it since before she met you. She told you she didn't want to have an exclusive relationship with you. She already made it clear that there were parts of her life that she didn't want to share with you, and so early in the relationship, what else would you expect? And with how people judge sex workers, why would she want to open up about it? Think of it that way.
    And she's no less of an amazing girlfriend or wonderful person now that you know she's a sex worker. She's the same exact person as she always was. The only thing that has changed was your perception of her through your lens, that are pretty prejudiced, in my opinion.
    If you are unable to handle dating her when she does sex work, then there's nothing wrong with that. That's your decision. No one can judge you for that.
    But, it's one thing to be unable to have a relationship with a sex worker and another thing entirely to use derogatory terms like prostitute (which many sex workers consider a slur) and to say that her job is "humiliating," when it's clear that she doesn't consider it so and that she wants to continue doing it. That's very biased and judgmental of you, in my opinion.
    If this is the best relationship you've ever known, and if she treats you like a king and makes you happy, don't you want to offer her the same respect? Can't you try to learn more about the job and about sex work and try to respect her decision? You don't have to live with it bothering you. I think that the best solution would be you trying to get over your prejudice towards sex workers. That seems like the most positive solution to me because you get to stay with the girl you love, she doesn't feel judged in the relationship, and you become a more open-minded person. And maybe one day, you will be able to have the privilege of being in an exclusive relationship with someone who treats you like royalty! :-)
    When you guys can both come to a solution, please post an update! I would really like to know how this situation turns out and I'm hoping for a happy ending for both of you.
    [–]Adariel 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
    I was just thinking that the next update might be that she'd called it off with him, actually, rather than the other way around. She's getting judged in so many ways here but she's been pretty upfront with him about what her limits are on monogamy and why she was hesitant to get into relationships. She also made it pretty clear that she isn't going to give up the sex work for the relationship.
    I mean, I understand that OP might be shocked and angry at first, but for him to go off on her and to continue to say that her job is humiliating HIM makes it all about him and what he's getting out of the relationship. What's she getting out of it, if he's going to be unsupportive and judgmental?
    The guy at the gym, IMO, is the worst. Judging her for providing a service that he paid for.
    [–]fruitpunching 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    Sex work is a reasonable deal breaker, and she was dishonest about this, which classifies as cheating. Supporting sex work doesn't mean potential partners don't have the right to be uncomfortable with the work.
    [–]cutestuffexpedition 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
    Yes I know and I was very clear with that. I literally said "If you are unable to handle dating her when she does sex work, then there's nothing wrong with that. That's your decision. No one can judge you for that." I put that in it's own separate paragraph.
    Edit: Honestly I wouldn't classify it as cheating. Everyone has different definitions and opinions which is fine, but she was very clear that the didn't want to be in a sexually exclusive relationship.
    [–]Three-Culture 20 points21 points22 points  (1 child)
    You are basically dating a prostitute - even if it is one with a 'specialty'. Sorry...
    If you can live with this and most of your friends and female friends knowing about it - I guess you can go ahead.
    However, if she actually likes doing this, think about where it may go in the future. Is she going to accept more money from richer clients to go beyond the handjobs? Is she going to tell you if she does?
    It sounds like you are hoping for a more traditional monogamous relationship and she is happy to just have a boyfriend who's a limited part of her life at this moment.
    No matter how fantastic she is, it doesn't sound like you are compatible. For example, how would life be for you two if she had to stop doing her side business and just work an ordinary job? Not to mention how her job with special needs kids could evaporate very quickly if anyone around the kids finds out what she does - I mean, how many parents would want her around their kids, no matter how nice she is?
    Just trying to be realistic - let the downvotes begin...
    [–]osteyo comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
    Prostitute is a slur, the correct term is sex worker.
    [–]entertainedbygwar 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    I think there's a difference between non-monogamy and doing sexual acts for money. Big difference, IMO. And her not telling you resulted in you finding out about it in the worst way possible. She should have just fuckin told you so you could have made an informed decision. There's nothing wrong with what she's doing, in my moral opinion, but the fact that she hid it from you is a big deal. And what if she decides to use that "what he doesn't know doesn't hurt him" logic on something else?
    Only you can decide if you stay in the relationship. What she does is not necessarily a problem, but her clients being acquaintances of yours is going to be a problem - as you have already experienced first hand. Damn, are there other acquaintances of yours that she has serviced?
    Your decisions: Are you OK with her giving handjobs for money? Are you OK with her doing that with people you know, and them possibly throwing that in your face? Lastly, is there anything else she has kept secret from you, sexual or otherwise?
    For what it's worth, I hear men can may money giving happy-ending massages to women. Maybe she can teach you the tricks of the trade and you two can make it a family business. I think I'm joking about that but I'm not entirely sure.
    [–]HotDogKnights 14 points15 points16 points  (13 children)
    Technically she didn't cheat since there was never any agreement that you would be sexually monogamous.
    But if she can't be honest and can't cope with how being a sex worker might limit her relationship opportunities, then she either shouldn't be a sex worker or shouldn't attempt serious relationships.
    [–]krunchytacos 26 points27 points28 points  (4 children)
    Technically, she said she wasn't monogamous, and when he asked her if she was having sex with anyone else, she said that she didn't want to exchange details. She made it pretty clear that if OP wanted to be romantically involved, it wasn't going to be an exclusive relationship.
    [–]HotDogKnights -9 points-8 points-7 points  (3 children)
    Lying about you do for a living is still really disingenuous.
    [–]soulchief 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
    She never lied about what she did for a living.
    [–]ccfcc 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Semantics aside, wouldn't you feel lied to if she didn't disclose such a major part of her work? Being a massage therapist is vastly different than a sex worker.
    [–]HotDogKnights 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    It was a lie of omission.
    [–]Dolomite808 44 points45 points46 points  (0 children)
    She lied to you about sexual activities she engages in with other men when you thought you were in a sexually monogamous relationship.
    Actually in the post, OP said they agreed that the relationship wasn't going to be sexually exclusive. Under those terms, I wouldn't say she cheated, but she definitely hid something important from OP.
    [–]missmisfit 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    shouldn't attempt serious relationships.
    In her defense it seems like she wasn't
    [–]Throwit29[S] 29 points30 points31 points  (5 children)
    No, she was pretty clear from the beginning that we were not sexually exclusive. I thought I said so in my post. I thought she was insistent because she was into open relationships of something, but she made a big deal because she didn't want to view her job as cheating.
    [–]eccentricgiraffe 19 points20 points21 points  (3 children)
    So, would it be different if she were giving handies for free? What exactly is the problem here, the non-monogamy or the money exchange? If you can only accept monogamy and consider paid sex to be cheating, then you are incompatible. If you are ok with non-monogamy but only if she does it for free, then you are a hypocrite. Combined with the list of things you like about her are all things that benefit you, I'd say you are an immature hypocrite. As long as her job isn't interfereing with your morning head, I think you should chill out.
    [–]ugottahvbluhair 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
    I don't think it's fair to say he's a hypocrite if he is fine with non-monogamy but not paid sex. It's completely different. A lot of people would take pause before starting a relationship with someone who was paid for sex in the past.
    [–]ccfcc 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    If you are ok with non-monogamy but only if she does it for free, then you are a hypocrite.
    Being ok or not ok with something is not the same as believing it to be cheating. He can not be ok with her being sex worker while being fine with her having sex with other people.
    [–]Davis6050 -10 points-9 points-8 points  (0 children)
    I think you should shut the hell up and tone down the asshole tone of your post.
    [–]HotDogKnights 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I edited my post accordingly.
    Still, after the 6 month mark, she should've been honest with you.
    [–]NotSureIfFunnyOrSad 4 points5 points6 points  (7 children)
    It might never feel better but you have to decide if you're alright with knowing that any guy who pays the price is getting a handy from your girl. Some are open enough to be good with it and it opens up your options on the side too. But others are suited for loyal monogamous relationships. You decide.
    [–]Runaway83 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Here is the thing, she lied to you about what she does. If her employment trumps any relationship, then she should have let you know. That aside, the question is, do you believe her? Can you trust her? This is something that you need to just take time to think about. The emotions will pass, but the question of trust is a more difficult one. Good luck man.
    [–]TheSaintedMartyr 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    There is good advice here. I just wanted to say the she's been very honest without telling you the details. She said she can't be sexually exclusive and that she doesn't want to get specific. Maybe the involvement of money does make it a bit different, but I just want to say I think she's handled it with integrity.
    It's ok if it's not something you're comfortable with, but I'd definitely spend some time talking to her and thinking on your own. You might be able to stretch yourself a little, comfort wise, to keep seeing how this otherwise great relationship will develop.
    [–]BaronECM 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    End this now. There is no way this is going to end well for you. I can tell how much you hate it just by reading this. I feel like I can see your face as you explain it to me.
    You will always think about it. When your awake and when you are asleep, this is going to destroy you over time. No girl is that perfect. I guarantee she is 1) trickle-truthing you 2) you will run into another guy who has paid her 3)she clearly doesn't respect monogamy, and you do. This relationship is doomed.
    [–]toriar 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    If you guys are already in an open relationship, then the only difference is that she's getting paid to give hand jobs. Otherwise she'd be doing it for free....soo....? Not seeing a huge problem here.
    [–]kallas55 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    You have a relationship because you agree to do everything she wants
    [–]squirrel_statue 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    Everybody is different in what they need from a relationship, but I'll say that for myself, if my wife came to to me and said she wanted to make a not-insignificant amount of money by professionally (fully clothed, no touching her, her only using hands with hygienic gloves) jacking off other guys 3 times a week, I'd probably be ok with it.
    It's a job, not an affair. It's financial stability, not emotional fulfillment.
    It's really only your call though. I understand the hurt from hiding it, but I can also see how she would be embarrassed to tell you and afraid that it might scare you off when she really does like you.
    [–]Throwit29[S] 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
    I feel really bad right now. I work in advertising and often refer to myself as a corporate prostitute. She would tell me if I really don't like what I do, I should make a change. She's really supportive like that.
    I wasn't supportive at all to her. I'm going to apologize for that right now.
    [–]Ethelfleda 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    She is a sex worker. Decide if you can love her and be her loving partner while knowing that. Either way, treat her with respect. If you can't treat her like the awesome chick she is than release her without causing any damage.
    [–]blingx 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    If you believe she never fucked someone for money, you'd be tripping.
    [–]yank_the_thang 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Release masseuse, ha. She's a prostitute. There's no other way to spin this.
    [–]CinammonDude 6 points7 points8 points  (6 children)
    She's saying she prefers giving hand jobs to strangers over committing to you. Read between the lines.
    [–]fishielicious 13 points14 points15 points  (3 children)
    She's saying she prefers having a job that pays her bills. She can't just up and quit. This is how she supports herself. Shit, I'm in pretty much the exact position that OP's girlfriend is in, and while I would love to quit stripping and get a regular 9-5 job, there really aren't many out there that would pay as well as stripping does and let me stay in grad school all at once.
    Yes, what she does might be a deal-breaker for OP, and he has every right to break up with her over it if that's the case, but don't try to make it about her being selfish. Everyone has to pay the bills.
    [–]ccfcc 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    She's saying she prefers having a job that pays her bills. She can't just up and quit.
    This has been going on long enough that if she wanted to she could have moved in that direction.
    [–]fishielicious 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    She has a job that she loves and that helps people that pays her very little money. She would probably have to quit that job, too, because I doubt she would find other part-time work that would pay her well enough. It's a bit much to do for a relationship that's all of 6 months old.
    I'm currently looking for new jobs for the sake of my 10-month relationship, but I can tell you it's a big commitment, you're not likely to find much, and fear of losing your livelihood is not a trifling thing.
    [–]missmisfit 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    I don't prefer customer service to my boyfriend but if he told me to quit if I loved him I wouldn't. False analogy.
    [–]tired_of_2_standards 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    This feels like fiction meant to teach us all that there are hookers with hearts of gold and we knuckle dragging Neanderthal misogynistic assholes need to get over ourselves and realize that we are the problem.
    I also have a feeling that OP is responding to his own thread using another account.
    [–]Sigmund_Six 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Hah. I'm wondering if OP may be hoping to "save" her Pretty Woman-style, especially since he mentions marriage.
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      Would you be ok with your SO 'relieving' people this way for money though...?
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          [–]Res_lpsa_Loquitur 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
          Well then you are in the extreme minority.
          [–]spankinhank -4 points-3 points-2 points  (6 children)
          You lack something deep inside that most people have.
          [–]squirrel_statue 5 points6 points7 points  (5 children)
          yep, like insecurities.
          [–]cheeseborito 6 points7 points8 points  (10 children)
          I really hate this free spirit attitude toward sex nowadays. Who cares? People who have values other than yours when it comes to relationships. I wouldn't go around giving women vaginal massages or whatever if the world worked that way, and I wouldn't omit this fact about myself and string a girl along who really likes and cares for me.
          [–]acox1701 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
          An important part of the advice being given in this thread is informed by the tone of the original post. OP didn't say it in so many words, but it really, really sounds like he wants to be convinced that it's OK to stay with her. And it is OK to stay with her, provided he can overlook this one thing, which, in the opinion of a lot of people, isn't that big a deal. So we tell him that, and try to help him see it in a different light.
          I've seen other threads that are almost the same, but OP clearly wants to be reassured that it's OK to break up with someone for being a sex worker. And you know what? That's OK too, and we will tell him (or her) so. We'll try to help him understand that while it may feel shitty to dump someone over their job, some things just aren't right for some people.
          The subtleties are important.
          [–]txgin 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
          She didn't string him along. She told hom from the beginning that she was not willing to be exclusive. Would you rather she be fucking random guys every week, or tugging them off?
          [–]fixurgamebliz 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
          There's a lot of gray area between non-monogamy and jerking dudes off for money. I think it's fair for OP to feel misled by omission here.
          [–]txgin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Jerking off dudes for money is a business transaction. It's a hell of a lot better, emotionally, than worrying about a girl who won't be monogamous because she just likes fucking all sorts of dudes. The OP is sad that she's touching dudes, but is that really worse than what he thought before (that she's having sex with dudes and won't commit to him).
          [–]MrsValentine 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          She's obviously not proud of what she does, hence not telling you and shutting you down when you talked about her side job. Definitely talk to her ASAP to apologise then if you stormed off and left it on a bad note.
          As others have said, it's just down to you whether you can deal with this or not now. Imo it's not any different to a regular open relationship, except 1. money and 2. regular supply of new partners. The act is exactly the same.
          [–]TheLaramieReject -1 points0 points1 point  (10 children)
          I think the problem is that it bothers you. The job itself isn't the problem; I don't even think her secrecy is the problem, since it should be pretty clear to you why she wouldn't have disclosed this information, and since you already knew she had some sort of sexual life outside of your relationship. You have every right to be bothered, I just want to pinpoint your feelings as the issue here, rather than any behavior on her part.
          So why do you feel this way? That's what you're going to need to figure out. Maybe now that the cat's out of the bag, you and Laura can have a philosophical conversation about this. I think it's possible that you might change your mind, or at least come to an understanding of her job that allows you to be more comfortable.
          Honestly, if you really love her, this is kinda good news. She does want to be monogamous, she just doesn't want to quit making easy money (completely understandable, I think). Isn't this better than finding out that there's another guy, or that you're the other guy? Isn't this better than finding out that she's a serial cheater, or just doesn't believe in love? I'm not trying to invalidate your feelings; you have every right to be uncomfortable, and every right to end the relationship if you can't get over that discomfort. But in the grand scheme of things... you knew something was going on. Isn't this better than the alternatives?
          And really, I don't think you have any reason to feel insecure. She's touching guys with her gloved hands for money... that's hardly a romantic scenario. Nobody ever fell in love with a guy while jacking him off wearing doctor's gloves.
          In short: talk to Laura. Now that she doesn't have to keep a secret, she might be more willing to discuss her feelings on this. I'm sure she's already jumped through all the philosophical hoops that you're facing now, so maybe she can help you find a perspective that makes you feel better. But if you want to keep this relationship, don't expect to get away with an ultimatum; I don't know many people who would quit a job that allowed them to pay their bills in a few hours a week for the comfort of a short-term partner.
          [–]Throwit29[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (9 children)
          She went to an Ivy league school for her masters and works for the public school system in a poor district. I know her student loans are intense. I know she also sends money to her sister in college too. I get WHY she does this.
          I wish she'd told me. All I can think about is that asshole at the gym. I really hate that guy. I will talk to her, I just want to organize my thoughts and be really clear in how I feel first.
          [–]Frodo36 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
          And that asshole at the gym is also one of her clients that she's jerked off and sucked off. Can you handle that? Plus, if he's spreading the word and she really does work with children, her career is going to be short and salty. She's in for a lifetime of looking over her shoulder hoping her secret doesn't get out. You want to marry this girl!? Are you fucking stupid? She doesn't even want to be exclusive boyfriend/girlfriend with you! You fucking idiot get your head out of your ass and look around: you've fallen in love with a prostitute. It's ok. It's fine. It happens! But now you know, so fix your situation. Break up with your non-exclusive girlfriend and go find someone who will be committed to you and love you and be exclusive with you. Then marry THAT chick!
          [–]D-redditAvenger 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          Also if she ever got in financial trouble again she may just go back to sex work as it is lucrative and she doesn't see to be bothered by it that much, which is her right.
          It is possable this secret could come out, your friends and family could find out would you be OK with that? Your kids could find out, what would she tell he daughter if she needed to make money?
          All things you need to think about OP.
          [–]ccfcc 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
          She went to an Ivy league school for her masters and works for the public school system in a poor district.
          She has a Master's from an Ivy league school and resorts to giving handjobs for money? Something is seriously wrong. There are no accredited occupational therapy programs at Ivy League universities (looked at the list online) so she is either lying about the degree or has a degree in something else. A graduate degree from an ivy league school opens a LOT of doors. Did you ever talk to her what's going on with that? Is she doing it as a public service or why isn't she living up to her potential?
          [–]Throwit29[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
          My bad, Ivy league-level expensive school. Like one in the same town and costs as much. I won't say more to protect her privacy. I know she's not lying about her education. Or anything else really. Other than this one thing.
          [–]ccfcc 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          Smart to protect her and your privacy. Good luck with all of this.
          [–]ignayshus 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          All I can think about is that asshole at the gym. I really hate that guy.
          Change gyms.
          [–]yersiniaD 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
          All I can think about is that asshole at the gym.
          He was putting a macho display, bragging to you about your gf's perceived social status. Don't play those kind of games, they benefit nobody but assholes. As another poster said, most girls give free handies. This girl has goals she's working for.
          [–]GustavVA 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          Sort of split on this. If you're not comfortable with what she's doing, this won't work. Doesn't matter what he goals are. That said, it is possible she's doing it with gloves and this guy is just a douchebag.
          I think the biggest issue here is she withheld this from you for six months. She doesn't sound awful or like a cheater, but you're no more obligated to give her a pass on this than she's obligated to stop doing it.
          [–]iamagainstit 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          if she works for the pubic school system then she could likely be fired if they find out about her side job.
          [–]kratomhead 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
          That guy at the gym needs his ass kicked, telling you that your girl is good with her mouth and hands. WTF.
          You're dating a woman who jacks off guys for a living. You don't like that and she's not going to stop for you. She doesn't want to be with you exclusively and it sounds like you're falling in love with her. You'll turn into a jealous mess staying with her. Wondering who she's jerking off today. That's going to drive you crazy! I think it would be best for you if you move on.
          [–]gokurakumaru 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
          The guy at the gym did him a favor.
          [–]Cherushiak 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
          Why did she mention that you guys need to always use protection if she is only using her hands and wearing gloves.... Everyone should always wear protection of course but the way she said it...
          [–]Throwit29[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          We agreed to use protection. I don't even know how to have sex without a condom. Where did I say she insisted on it?
          [–]phillycheese 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          Monogamous by nature, except instead of getting a real job she gives hand jobs and blow jobs.
          Hahahaha
          Trust the people here when they say she does a lot more than give a helping hand.
          [–]Sasha_Fire 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          It's just a job, if it bothers you move on and if it doesn't than stay. I personally don't see any issue with sex related jobs, jobs don't define us our characters do.
          [–]cmdr_eric 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
          Do you want the mother of your children who kisses your kids goodnight to be a chick who has given probably hundreds of dudes a BJ?
          [–]obnoxiouslybigrobot 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
          Your mom has given hundreds of BJs too probably, maybe not with hundreds of different guys, but you have definitely been kissed by her dirty mouth which has been around your dad's penis and her ex boyfriends penises. If you want to spout stupid logic, don't expect it to not be turned around on you.
          [–]cmdr_eric -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
          I'm cool with it. Parents were each others first. However I would not be cool with this girl.
          [–]LynLacroix 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
          I was in a similar situation a couple years ago, but from your "girlfriend's" side of it. I agree with what most people have said, that it's your choice alone on whether you want to be with her, but I thought I'd add the following points having gone through this and known many others who have as well.
          1. She is into you. Typically the girls that have the foresight to be upfront with about how they feel about "monogamy" or "relationships" aren't the ones who play games.
          2. She has clear goals and reasoned that this is her best course of action that has presented itself. If she quits now, she has a lot of debt, no longer has the time to volunteer AND still has the stigma of having been a sex worker. If she continues, she only has the last one to contend with. I doubt that she will quit if you ask her to because she went into knowing this was in all probability going to happen at some point and it's unlikely you have any arguments against it that she hasn't already considered a thousand times.
          3. However, you shouldn't "try living with this knowing it bothers" you. You should try to separate out what your different feelings are. Some of them may be things you want to work on getting over, but others may not be. My (now) husband was insecure early on because of a belief that if I could have sex with someone else, it meant that I didn't truly care about him. It took a long time, a lot of patience on both ends, but he had decided early on that he could intellectually accept that was true and wanted to work on proving it emotionally.
          4. Being so harsh with her is exactly why she compartmentalized to begin with. "This is who I am and what I'm doing for now but I don't want to hurt anyone either" is the stance she seems to be taking. You've already acknowledged your need to apologize on that front, but there's a very real chance she will be annoyed by it enough to cut contact or consider doing so in the future if it happens more often.
          5. Even if you apologize and try to make things work, she may not be in a place to. If she does go NC as a result, please do not take it personally. Protecting yourself emotionally and physically can be very hard while doing sex work and walking away from high risk situations is a survival and coping mechanism. And no matter how "safe" you think you are for her, this situation is likely to not feel that way to her which is why she was avoiding it.
          6. Since protecting herself should be a high priority, she should never see the guy who told you again. Please tell her a random escort from the internet says that clients who cross boundaries are never worth it. I get the impression she already operates that way, but sometimes people need the reminder.
          7. If you guys do continue seeing each other, I highly recommend a lot of conversations about how long she intends to do this for and how she plans on getting out. Try your best to not punish her for the truth, though, or neither of you will come out of it for the better. Do not push her to stop before she achieves the goals she outlines but also don't tolerate sliding after the initial goals are achieved unless it's mutually agreed upon.
          [–]D-redditAvenger 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
          If she quits now, she has a lot of debt, no longer has the time to volunteer AND still has the stigma of having been a sex worker. If she continues, she only has the last one to contend with. I
          So then is it safe to assume if she were to get into serious dept again in the furture she would go back to being a sex worker? If she is willing to do this now why would this change later as you said stigma is still there?
          Since protecting herself should be a high priority, she should never see the guy who told you again.
          But isn't that kind of a fallacy though, she has no idea what any of her clients are going to say when she is not around. Isn't it better to assume they are going to say something and it is going to get out?
          [–]LynLacroix 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
          Not necessarily. I don't know her specifically, but for most of the women (myself included) who were exceedingly careful to avoid even the assumption of a monogamous relationship while participating in sex work, we've all had a deep respect for our relationships and it would be a conversation with our partner if it became a consideration while in one. The majority of women who get involved in sex work after weighing the pro's and con's and making a proactive choice (rather than being pushed into it, falling into it through the offers of people taking advantage of her desperation, etc) eventually end up leaving for professional careers. The number of lawyers who paid their way through law school by sucking dick is crazy.
          edit to answer second : You're right in that you have to assume that it will get out and you have to figure out how to be okay with that. However, that doesn't mean that you invite it by continuing to associate with individuals who inflate that risk. If this is something she wants to do, she has to set boundaries and stick to them (and she seems to for the most part). Sex workers who want to compartmentalize should only encourage interactions with clients who haven't proven themselves a heightened risk of ruining that. Honestly though, I'm not sure why gym-dude would know her real name and that OP was dating her. If you're compartmentalizing, clients should never get your real name.
          [–]D-redditAvenger 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
          So your answer is "I would talk to my husband about it", not I would never do it again.
          [–]LynLacroix 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
          No, I can not say that there is no circumstance in which I would consider doing it again. While it definitely had it's fair share of bad experiences, it was a decision I made for myself as an adult that I in no way regret. Generally, the only time people swear they'll never do something again is if it ends badly and it's the most likely outcome they see from doing it again. I didn't feel it was wrong then, I don't feel it's wrong now and I likely won't feel it's wrong in future. So why should I say I'd never do it again?
          However, if it does come up in the future and my husband is opposed to it, I wouldn't do it or push it.
          [–]D-redditAvenger 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
          OK I am not saying you should. You are entitled to your own opinion but I think this discussion brings up some good observations. I feel like OP and some people may think that once the dept is paid off it won't matter any more. Thinking as long as she isn't doing sex work anymore what is the big deal.
          The bigger issue would be there is a fundamental difference of opinion of sex work in general. This in itself isn't a big deal unless you're in a relationship with someone who is or was a sex worker. I think people miss that. I think if you are going to be with someone who was or once was a sex worker then you HAVE feel exactly like you said.
          I don't feel it's wrong now and I likely won't feel it's wrong in future.
          If not there is always going to be an issue in your relationship and future to some extent. You can't just tell yourself that it's not an issue now so what's the big deal.
          [–]LynLacroix 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          I fully agree with you. I've ended relationships before because of the fact that I couldn't morally accept some part of what they did for a living.
          I get the impression though, the OP hasn't really put a lot of thought previously into how he feels about sex work. Now he has the unfortunate emotional task of separating the embarrassment from the jealousy from the fear of the increased risks from the insecurity from the desire to be with her from what's just pushing away the entire topic because of the internal conflict itself.
          [–]Screambloodyleprosy -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
          Just think about all those times she has kissed you after an appointment.
          [–][deleted] comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (1 child)
          Run, hoes can't be housewives
          [–]AL_DENTE_OR_NOTHING -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
          Man-whores can't be husbands
          [–]Jaxyl -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
          I wouldn't tag this as infidelity. It's a case of relationship troubles.
          I say if you love her then that's all that matters. Work to show her that you can look past this and you'll have a wife for life. People in that industry actively search for someone who is accepting of their career and can simultaneously love and cherish them.
          I mean don't do it if you're not comfortable, but if you love her as much as you claim you do then support her and strengthen your relationship. Just express your boundaries like no PiV or Oral or Anal or whatever. If she's ok with that then go for it, if she's not then reevaluate.
          You sound happy outside of this, so I say work through it. Don't throw away your happiness just because her job is icky.
          [–]baldthrowaway86 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
          I just want to throw my 2 cents in.
          As someone who's been with 30+ escorts, I can tell you right now that sex work will damage her psychologically. Maybe not now, maybe not a year from now, but most women are not cut out for this lifestyle choice.
          One woman I would see in particular was the most caring, sweet, and down to earth girl I'd ever been with. We would text everyday and I treated her very well. One day out of the blue, she stops responding to my texts. It all comes to a head some day.
          I hope your gf gets out of that life.
          [–]missmisfit 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          I used to waitress at a strip club one of the things I learned working there is that sex and sex work are very different things. She did lie but she was doing it to protect herself. If you love her work through it. Everyone has baggage (some more obvious than others).
          One way to look at it would be that she does really like you and has not actually been dating others.
          [–]RampagingKoala -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
          If it bothers you and there's nothing you can do to overcome it, then it's a dealbreaker and you should probably end it. That doesn't reflect poorly on you or her. Her life, her choices. The same goes for you.
          That being said, I personally think that this is something that can be overcome. She's not doing it because she enjoys the thrill of sleeping with random guys for money or anything, she just does it because she needs the money. People have done worse things for money. She says she's monogamous by nature, she just does this on the side to pay the bills.
          I feel cheated out of the greatest relationship I've ever known.
          What about this revelation makes you feel this way? Honestly, you say so many awesome things about her that it seems like the positives outweigh the negatives here.
          [–]mmiu -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
          She's said she isn't into monogamy just because of her job, while actually probably being exclusive with you. You were okay with an open relationship until you found out she gives hand jobs for money. It's pretty hypocritical from a more rational point of view.
          On the other side it seems you're in love with her and she treats you well - hope you work things out.
          [–]AwesomeNameGenerator -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
          I mean, it sucks, but you clearly pushed for this when she didn't really want it.
          [–]throwaway1016a -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
          You tow have different perceptions of what is happening withing your relationship. You call her your girlfriend even though she has stated that she wants to be casual, she just wants to be friends. I highly recommend 500 Days of Summer as a movie to watch because your situation sounds a lot like that and I recommend you don't spend 500 days thinking and hoping this girl will become your girlfriend.
          [–]FoodFarmer -7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
          First need confirmation that she isn't lying about the mouth. That's a big difference. I don't know how you'll get it but if she really doesn't give blowjobs then your second move is to kick that guys ass. Your third job is to tell her where you stand and see if that changes anything. Wild horses... She is independent and holds that above all else, she justifies her behavior and life around maintaining that resolute independence. If you are the person to tame her you need to assume that roll. Knowing that any jerk can get a blowjob from your girlfriend at anytime will kill you and the relationship. Face the music dude, lock it down or ride it out.
          Edit: looking into the energy at play here she is wants to stop, but she needs to know you are a good safe stable bet. She's giving you the chance to step up and take the reins, (that means financially) if you aren't in that place yet then you might not be able to make this relationship work. If she was lying about mouth then it's already over, because dishonesty is worse then tug jobs.
          [–]Ballsy12 -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
          Sounds shitty but it also sounds like you got a good thing with this girl and she makes you happy. If both of you are happy I would try to get over it and be happy with her. I'm sure at some point she will get tired of giving handjobs. Or if you can get a job making enough where she doesn't have to do that. Easier said than done but something you can work towards.
          [–]tiffanydisasterxoxo -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
          She shouldn't have lied to you, but it is just a job
          [–]megamoze -7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
          Frankly, if I had to choose whether my otherwise awesome and supportive and attractive GF was giving handjobs for money or fucking other guys for free, I'd prefer the former.
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