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[–]iia 325ポイント326ポイント  (26子コメント)

What a ludicrous title.

[–]oh-just-another-guy [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

What is it implying? What are those blue ink stains on their fingers?

[–]FaildAttempt [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

They have cast a vote. This is one of the first years they have been allowed. This IS brave.

[–]oh-just-another-guy [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

This is one of the first years they have been allowed. This IS brave.

Ah thanks. How is it brave? Were there threats from extremists against their voting?

[–]twist3d7 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I thought they couldn't afford bingo daubers.

[–]dporiua [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Iranian women has been voting since 1962, OP is just a bundle of sticks

[–]rocknrollgenocide 46ポイント47ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gotta bend over and spread 'em for that easy neckbeard karma

[–]the_satch 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dunno, I think it xhibits some merit.

[–]tyler2k -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop dogging on the OP please

[–]lifeprowler [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Jaw-droppingly idiotic. This is the same place that called blacking out subs for a day "activism." This is the same place that thinks that an internet forum is "changing ethics in journalism." This is the same place that thinks petty gender war slap fights on the internet is "fighting for the rights of men." The frontpage of reddit has zero self-awareness sometimes and I'm amazed at how this got up voted with that title

[–]spagettsmash -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

These are women in the middle east being able to vote. Not some western professional victims complaining about micro agressions

[–]A_New_Knight [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Vote for the first time under extremist threats I might add.

[–]dporiua [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Where the hell do you people get this stuff?

[–]A_New_Knight [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Work colleagues who are from this part of the world who are excited.

[–]Mr_Butts648 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Beeeeeeeee Gooooooooooood

[–]FaildAttempt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not everyday that you see an E.T. reference on Reddit, but today is that day.

[–]Morbidgrass 60ポイント61ポイント  (5子コメント)

This thread is going to be shit.

[–]danman11 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

[–]strangestrain [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Except that none of the top comments reflected that at all. If I go through a thread and cherry pick comments I can make it seem like it's full of all sort of nasty things, when in reality the shitty comments are few and controversially voted where they exist.

[–]IAmBecomeGay 73ポイント74ポイント  (95子コメント)

What does this have to do with feminism?

[–]RalphiesBoogers 148ポイント149ポイント  (88子コメント)

They're Iranian women voting. I don't know what OP considers a fake feminist though. Possibly Wonder Woman or Ms Marvel, because they're just comic book drawings.

[–]dontcomearoundhere 35ポイント36ポイント  (82子コメント)

Fake feminism is upper middle class college educated white women complaining about mansplaining and manspreading. Also the same women who major in English and then write endlessly about the lack of women in computer science, etc.

[–]Goddess_of_Beauty [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I got a degree in feminist studies and a majority of the feminists in my program (at least 100 students) were more focused on intersectional and transnational feminism, which included bringing the western world back to the realities of women such as the ones posted. Hell, I taught two classes on transnational feminism where my entire curriculum was based on Iranian women's rights and Malala Yousafzai's fight in Swat Valley.

I also have never met anyone who actually cared to complain about the lack of women in computer science. We had bigger issues to think about. At this point, I'm fairly certain this is a myth based on a few feminist's opinions online. They don't speak for all of us.

[–]ShuffleShuffle-Hbomb [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

degree in feminist studies

What kind of career does this degree lead to? (Serious question)

[–]Goddess_of_Beauty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a sexual assault victim advocate. I'm working on my master's in nonprofit administration so then I can be in the position to open a women's shelter someday.

[–]The_Meowntain 121ポイント122ポイント  (31子コメント)

That argument is similar to how people say that no one in the States should complain about being hungry because someone has it worse somewhere else. Just because people aren't being executed here for being women does not mean that sexism does not exist in Western society.

Edit: the comment i replied to initially had a paragraph talking about how hypothetical rich white folk eating caviar somehow makes sexism in Western society nonexistent.

[–]Into-the-stream 15ポイント16ポイント  (38子コメント)

I just read an article outlining how women spend twice as long in the ER in the US as men with the same symptoms, because doctors don't take their complaints of pain seriously. It's pretty well documented that women don't make as much as men. I watched as a parent told their daughter "those science kits are for boys" then directed them to the dolls. I mean, nearly every single child photographed on said science kits were boys, but still...

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean feminists in the us aren't needed.

[–]RickardIron [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Link for that ER article? I feel like you may have mis-stated it. Wouldn't they be leaving the ER sooner if their claims of pain were considered less than trustworthy? Legit curious, not trying to dispute.

The wage gap claim will need a source, and a good one, since it is so heavily and rightly disputed due to the horrid methods used in almost every research paper on the subject. If we can get an accurate representation of the potential wage gap, excluding things like pay differences between the young/elderly of opposite genders and including things like gender overtime differences, then we can talk about it. Until then, there's too much smoke n' mirrors for that to be a good point. (Example of how stupid the current concept of the wage gap is: new study says women without children in their 20s make more than their male counterparts. I can't find the raw data for this article, but statistics are so easy to skew that something like this or something like the "women make 75 cents on the male dollar" statistic can easily be produced from practically the same data) The wage gap needs a whole lot, whooooole lot, more unbiased research before it can be an acceptable point in an argument.

Feminism in the West needs to change or direct its attention to where it is needed. Sexism will always exist, and will always exist both ways. See, because I'm a man, my sister who has been in 5 accidents (4/5 her fault, regularly gets ticketed) pays a lot less in insurance than I do (not a single accident, no moving violations in 5+ years). Because I'm a man, I'm quite unlikely to win a custody battle. Because I'm a man, there's a lower chance of me graduating (or going to) college. Because I'm a man, if I get black-out drunk and have sex with a girl who was black-out drunk, I can be charged with rape (but I can't make the same claim). Because I'm a man, I can be sent into combat in a potential draft, but women can't.

Sexism exists in the West, but Feminism as it stands is not the answer. Rape culture does not exist, no one really thinks that women shouldn't be allowed in STEM, and withdrawing consent after the fact is stupid. Let's move on to real issues, or move on to other countries with real issues.

[–]Into-the-stream [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ok here is the article, but please read through the entire thing before making conclusions and deciding I misstated the article. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/10/emergency-room-wait-times-sexism/410515/

[–]RickardIron [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Okay, I read it, but I also found absolutely no studies or research or data beyond this. It's not really even research, more of an essay. =/

So I think we can probably abandon that concept for now, too, at least until there's any degree of real data on it. I'm not saying it isn't possible or it's false or anything, just that there's nothing contributing to it that has any objective or unbiased merit.

[–]Faulty_Plumbing [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The US, hell, the world needs FEMINISTS. Not the sensationalized concept that some people seem to confuse with feminism. Also, feminists aren't exclusive to the female gender.

[–]Wallaby-wacker [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The US, hell, the world needs CHRISTIANS. Not the sensationalized concept that some people seem to confuse with christianity. Also, feminists aren't exclusive to the white race.

See how easy it is to plug one cureall snake oil solution for the worlds problems in for another kind of snake oil cure all?

[–]Faulty_Plumbing [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If you're trying to completely miss the point, then yes, I do see. It's very simple.

[–]Wallaby-wacker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Good. Then maybe you should adopt a fact based model of reality and not spend so much energy on that which cannot be proven or demonstrated.

[–]hedgeson119 [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

It's pretty well documented that women don't make as much as men.

You aren't talking about in the U.S. are you?

[–]Into-the-stream [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

forbes article stating in 2014, women make $0.77 on the dollar men make.

wikipedia article claiming its closer to $0.82 on the dollar in 2013.

[–]Res_lpsa_Loquitur [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

...You know that the $0.77 nonsense has been debunked, correct? Women don't make 33% less for the same job.

[–]hedgeson119 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Oh... oh boy... That's not good, you're parroting misinformation...

Feminist on the wage gap.

[–]Into-the-stream [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So if the article you linked is correct, they think the wage gap is 6.6 cents, but they are still figuring it out? I'll admit 93.4 cents on the dollar is better then 77. But it doesn't prove the need for feminism is delusional.

[–]hedgeson119 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I never said the "need for feminism is delusional."

If we want to address these issues we should address them properly. We should use data and rational thought to solve problems, not resort to demonizing people.

[–]Into-the-stream [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This thread began because someone wrote that American feminists are fake and upset about problems that don't exist. Hence the "delusional" statement I made. I'm trying to keep to the original argument.

[–]PreceptorCheck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We should use data and rational thought

Both of which you would promptly ignore because you linked a Christina Hoff Summers article, a known anti-feminist, in favor of your often-debunked feels backed up by even more debunked "research papers" that say "Hey, when you control for all the factors that make the wage gap exist, there's no wage gap! Magic!"

Christina Hoff Summers is a feminist like the Pope is a protestant

[–]PreceptorCheck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Christina Hoff Summers is not a feminist. This isn't a le "no true scotsman" meme fallacy either, she is demonstrably anti-feminist

[–]RickardIron 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

college educated people*

FTFY

[–]annoyingstranger 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's Capitan Marvel to you.

[–]charlieblue666 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, the proper term is counterfeit feminist. They're usually made from cheap plastic and covered in lead-based paint. Most of them come out of China, but I have recently heard they are starting to be exported from somewhere in South America, as well.

[–]Eurycerus -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe all the jokes about what a "true" feminist is? Like, you must vote only for women and refuse to accept held doors, that sort of thing?

[–]patrickkellyf3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Women claiming their rights. Seems like feminism, to me. Like, explicitly so.

[–]Tszemix 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

A bunch of Iranian women voting for a pre-elected marionette.

[–]ToastnEggs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I was also confused. At first, I thought they where showing how they were being discriminated for being middle eastern women at the airport. I thought they were being fingerprinted for records. I'm dumb.

[–]potato_bus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Reddits most popular punching bag and source of infinite clickbait karma. Other than that, almost nothing

[–]Arto3 41ポイント42ポイント  (13子コメント)

We need to stop all women's suffrage, it's ludicrous! Let's put an end to it.

[–]_only_read_title 37ポイント38ポイント  (11子コメント)

suffrage

suf·frage ˈsəfrij/ noun noun: suffrage; plural noun: suffrages

1.
the right to vote in political elections.

I remember Penn and Teller Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla from the "Man Show" doing a comedy bit about this a long time ago. They played as petitioners going for signatures to end women's suffrage and got a ton of people to sign simply because people incorrectly equated suffrage to the word suffer.

[–]ASULurker 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

That wasn't penn and teller. It was Kimmel and Carolla on the man show.

[–]_only_read_title 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're right! Thanks. Penn and Teller did a different but similar one banning dihydrogen monoxide (H2O, water). My mind must have linked the two for some reason.

[–]SwggrBck 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think this guy did it even before them. Correct me if I'm wrong

[–]Blazenandez [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What year was that video made? The man show ran from 99-04 and that video was uploaded in 06.

[–]SwggrBck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was uploaded to Youtube in 2006. I first saw it on Ebaumsworld long before Youtube was a thing. Yeah, search your brain for the last time you saw that site mentioned.

[–]liverichly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Had to have been on or after October 23, 2001, as there was a girl who had iPod ear buds at the 1:51 mark.

Also at the :55 second mark a Volvo S60 or S80 rolls by, which looks like MY2005 or more recent since there isn't a black bumper on it (it's body colored) which was a change Volvo made for the 2005 and later models on the S60 (the S80 changed that in 2003).

Source: I owned a 2006 Volvo S60 and an iPod.

[–]Hatehype 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This makes me really want to go do that now.

[–]valhath 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah some guy did the same thing as a gag in New York City back in the 90's or so. Our psychology teacher showed us a clip on an old VHS that he had. He also got a lot of people to sign up because women suffering is bad. It ended with him getting his ass kicked by a woman.

[–]CaLiKiNG805 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Blue finger crew represent

[–]programming_student1 40ポイント41ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just because someone else has it shittier, doesn't make the problems of more privileged people any less problematic.

If there are child soldiers in Africa, is it okay to enforce military draft in U.S.A.?

[–]RequiemEternal 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

When people talk about feminism, they tend to only think about the surface level issues and leave it at that. Western women can vote and work, so they must be equal to men!

When in reality, oppression goes much deeper than that and is still a very real problem in our society.

[–]Wallaby-wacker [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Please name me one right women in the west do not have but men do have?

[–]NoHoneyIDontBrowseGW [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They face discrimination socially and professionally based on perceptions of gender norms that keep them from being as successful in certain fields. The same way men face discrimination face discrimination socially and professionally based on perceptions of gender norms that keep them from being as successful in certain fields and aspects of life

[–]keithrox [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think by implying this is what real feminism is, you are belittling the courage and strength of caitlyn jenner, who is an amazing beautify woman who had the exquisite bravery of a butterfly flying against the wind.

[–]IAmTurdFerguson 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is such a brave post.

[–]SwggrBck 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

ITT: People who are too sarcastic for their own good.

OP's title is literal. And by "literal" I mean actual. Not ironic, figurative or sarcastic

[–]FaildAttempt [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Thank you. These woman could LITERALLY face death for being seen in these situations, so it really makes the struggle of 1st world country feminism seem very trite.

[–]justthesubjunctive [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This post gives absolutely no context to what's going on in the picture or the significance. It a) plays into cultural stereotypes of the Middle East to get us to care, by making up our own story that may or may not be true, and b) detracts from the photo anyway by making the pic and comments all about an unrelated, charged and often misinformed conversation on feminism.

[–]sweatpantswarrior [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

"As a man, let me tell you what feminism really is"

[–]francis2559 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Curious if you actually checked OP's gender? Or if you just stereotyped a redditer.

[–]Snappington [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Why is everyone so spiteful in this thread? Fwiw, I'm a woman and this is a feminist issue. These women voted in the Iran presidential election.

Tinyeye results show this website as the first occurrence of the image. So the picture is a few years old, but still portrays a proactive effort by women to establish equal footing.

Check out The women's rights section of iranhumanrights.org if you'd like more information about this.

[–]sweatpantswarrior [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I never said it wasn't feminist. I said it smacked of a man trying to call one thing real feminism, as if other feminist concerns are invalid.

[–]Fel1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

paper towns?

[–]sativan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Uhm, no, they are wearing their head dress that is religiously demanded of them, they are firmly under the thumb of the man.

[–]A_New_Knight [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

ITT:

Women being able to vote isn't feminism.

[–]ilazul 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Title makes no sense.

[–]SuicideKlutch -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This title is only applicable if the women pictured voted in some way to improve the rights of women (not very likely). It is more likely that they voted to maintain the status quo (like voters in every other country in the world). Having the right to vote doesn't make you revolutionary unless you use it to make change.

[–]silentparadigm -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like they just blue themselves.

[–]KimJongUnNK [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

"Real Feminism"..... Is it me or does it look like they are still wearing the super oppressive hijab?

[–]francis2559 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

super oppressive hijab

There is nothing "oppressive" about the hijab.

You can be forced to wear one, and therefore oppressed. But it is the forcing of a dress code that is oppressive.

Also, by voting, they have the power to change laws that oppress them. So, baby steps?

[–]KimJongUnNK [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Quran states a women must cover up most of her head with one and if she is seen by any male but her father, brother, and husband, she is a slut. That's not oppressive?

[–]francis2559 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

And the Christian scriptures tell you to cover your head "on account of the angels" if you are a woman. Am I oppressed if I wear a hat? Would my sister be? No way in hell.

Oppression is the threat of losing my head if I don't have a hat on.

You cannot tell merely from one's fashion choice if they are oppressed or not.

[–]KimJongUnNK [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Not really a Christian, but where is that actually stated in the bible?

[–]francis2559 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Here you go: http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/11-10.htm

I am a Catholic, and I will still see the occasional conservative that wears a little piece of lace on their head. Nobody forced them anymore, but they like to do it.

[–]dporiua [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You can't change laws that have anything to do with religion without Expediency Discernment Council's approval, and you don't get to elect the people on that council.

[–]patrickkellyf3 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

"No, no, listen to me, I know you're choosing to wear it, but you're actually being oppressed."

[–]KimJongUnNK [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"Listen to me, I know the Quran states you are a slut if any make sees you without it, you are being oppressed."

FTFY

[–]patrickkellyf3 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You can't just negate the fact that women voluntarily choose to wear a hijab.

[–]KimJongUnNK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because wearing one of those on a hot day is purely for fun right?