>Limited Edition Zos Kia Cultus and The New Sexuality threadHow are you incorporating the tantric rennaissance into your practice? Have you found the Shakti to your Shiva? Have you felt the stirrings of the coiled serpent, kundalini?PS: Magic is real :^)
>>16829330i would love for you to explain the tantric renaissance to me. what is the significance of the shakti to your Shiva
Occult mega library (over 9000 gigs) from previous /OMG/:https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ
>>16829350In the twentieth century, many previously unknown tantric texts came to light in the western world. Responsible for this was Aleister Crowley, Julius Evola, Austin Osman Spare and Arthur Avalon. All of these authors proposed their own magical uses of the primal psychosexuospiritual kundalini. Shakti is the embodiment of the divine feminine in Hinduism and represents the primal creative force of the universe.
>>16829386thank you
Can anyone here recommend a good yogic organization that isn't mostly (if not all) fluff?
>>16829443Bihar School of Yoga is pretty legit judging by their publications.
>tfw no priestess gf
>>16829498https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09uVsZL0M7c>tfw no yogi girlfriend
>>16829330could someone explain the significance of the blue skin in hinduism.
>>16829531The color blue is associated with the water, the sky and the infinite. Many gods and goddesses (though not all) are depicted with blue skin for this reason.
anyone have a .pdf of The Hermes Paradigm Book 1 by rubaphillos? i couldnt find it in the mega
>>16829330>Magic is real :^)But is anime real?
>>16829330>PS: Magic is real :^)Good one bud.
>>16831053it is more real than magic is.
>>16829365No herbalism? Inconceivable. FIX IT
>>16831128Go back to /vr/, Priestess Sevenleaf.
Is this from you guys >>16827109
>>16831178Some of our members have joined the ThEOI organization.
I'm sure you get this every thread but, where do I start?
>>16832492hermetics. youtube is a valuable source
>>16832492There's a folder in the mega titled Beginners.
>>16829529Underrated post
>>16832325>ThEOI organizationI didn't find anything on google, what is that? I am very interested but will like more info.
>>16832874I am part of it. What do you want to know?
>Have you found the Shakti to your Shiva? Have you felt the stirrings of the coiled serpent, kundalini?No, i have not. It's killing me, because i don't have much going on in my normie side of life either.
>>16832917What are your core tenets?Do your organization has a phrase to describe himself?Do you know anything on this >>16827109If I were to study in this group, what would be the requirement or starting material as prerequisite?
The occult is a serious matter. Many have lost their minds or worse to the unknowable eldritch clutches of the elder gods. We are building something greater than ourselves. What it is, no one can tell. Apotheosis or apocalypse. While we sleep, our minds are infected with a virus that causes us to create in certain patterns. Man has been immortal since he first strode on the land. Made immortal by cold, calculating alien intelligences that had use or him. What is a human? A pupa, a cocoon. A vessel for metamorphosis. Does your blood chill as I reveal these facts? Or perhaps you merely dismiss me as a crazy person. Either way, the unknown knows. The silence is always watching.
>>16832934ThEOI practices Neoplatonic theurgy as exemplified by the writings of Iamblichus. ThEOI stands for The Enlightened Order of Iamblichus. The core virtues are Platonic and Aristotelian. All material is provided to the student in accordance with their initiation into the mysteries.
>>16833756This is becoming more and more interesting.
>>16831053
>>16831145Who?
>>16834205the resident marijuana goddess
>>16834322Hail.I had a discussion with Sevenleaf about her stuff some months back while I was using a trip (Mr. Spooks). I didn't do things exactly the way she talked about them, but it has lead to an interesting shift in my occult work.Which is funny because I haven't even smoked anything in that time, lol, but it did help me get through some sleeping pill withdrawals among a bunch of other things, which was pretty intense. Turned a nightmarish time into something deeply spiritual and comforting.Of course, Goddess worship in various forms has always been a significant part of my metaphysical life and work, so it was easy for me to sort of co-opt the stuff that Sevenleaf was on about for my personal use.
>>16834380pharmaceuticals can really fuck you up. i've had spiritual experiences on ambien. and the dreams get wild too coming on and off them.
>>16834440Yeah, I started using DPH recreationally because I was pretty broke and I just liked the feeling I got from 6-10 of the little pink bastards.I noticed it was really fucking with me though, in that my heart was starting to act funny and I'd get weird pains.Anyway, I'd periodically stop taking it, and I always like the really intense dreams I'd get after not taking it.Well, I finally decided one day that enough was enough, and dumped the rest of my bottle down the toilet. I stopped taking it all together and thought I was fine.But then, about 48 hours later I couldn't sleep like at all, and then when I did finally doze off after the sun came up, I had the craziest, most intense sleep paralysis I've ever had (used to induce it often.)These were the craziest hallucinations I've ever had, and I cook up LSH from HBWR seeds on occasion. They were absolutely mind-shredding. Whenever I got out of it I went and took a bath to calm myself, got my headspace in a better place.Whenever I would try to close my eyes to get more sleep (I had to work later that day) I would get really intense CEVs and everything would spin and crawl.I decided Goddess would be the best hope, and had talked with Sevenleaf like a week before. I'd been out of canna for a while at that point, but I scraped out my pipe and got like 1/3 a bowl of resin. I smoked it, then laid back and focused on various Goddess thoughtforms and stuff, keeping the whole Sevenleaf thing in mind heuristically.It became really beautiful and reassuring. I got sleep and rest and ended up dealing with the withdrawals pretty well, even making it to work and stuff.In the months since then I've started working with the number 7 a lot and have made a bunch of pretty cool discoveries/breakthroughs. Still haven't had any weed though.Probably gonna buy some in the near future, as I've started a couple new jobs(thanks Goddess[and Mercury]) and the money is really rolling in. Gonna toke up for Goddess 4 sure.
>>16829529M-MUH LINGAM
Where do I start for Gnosticism?
>>16834919http://www.gnosis.org/whatisgnostic.htm?
>>16829330you are a pharaoh yugi :0
>>16833991Until you realize it's led by a tranny who posts nudes online.Do you really think someone with such an immense dissonance between mind and body is actually fit to initiate?
>>16835767Ooooh, burnSounds like a hugbox to me!~
>>16835767Lots of great occultists were tranny faggots. Just look at Genesis P. Orridge.
>>16837151>Genesis P. Orridge>great occultist
>>16835767Wow, those are some sour grapes.
>>16837291We've been over this tumblr, trannies are mentally ill.
>>16837298>this, unironically coming from a person who believes that magic is real
What if the Tree of Life is upside down, and Malkuth is actually at the top and we're already perfectly enlightened?
>>16837859What if vaginas are actually penises, and men are the ones who get pregnant?
>>16835767Are you seriously implying that transgendered people can't be magickians?I thought the occult was supposed to be LGBT-friendly. Wasn't Crowley bi?
>>16837892Crowley was Crowley, and he certainly wasn't any sort of friendly or PC.That being said I'm on your side. I'm cis-ish but I don't have anything against transfolk. But as an ally, I feel the need to clarify that your arguement was ignorant.
>>16837920>I'm on your side, but let me tell you why you're wronglol at this doublespeak.He was bi. His own accounts confirm this.>he certainly wasn't any sort of friendly or PCBeing gay or bi wasn't "politically correct" in Victorian England. People were usually imprisoned for it.
>>16837892I'm not implying. I am saying explicitly that a certain degree of mental stability and coherence is necessary to be actually trustworthy and respectable.The question is, then: would you trust someone who loathes their body so much that they mutilate it with your mind?I know I wouldn't. No way in fucking hell would I trust someone who can't even feel comfortable in their own body without it going through surgery.
>>16837945>We have to agree about everything to be on the same side.I take it back, you're a cretin and you deserve your life of vain struggle.
>>16837977You claim is mutilation, may I remind you others view the occult arts as tainted with wicked thoughts.
>>16837977I have no problem with adults doing it for esoteric reasons. The soul is bisexual and gender is just physical. I don't necessarily agree they can really experience the other gender but respect their right to experiment with their own bodies.Children or other people doing it for what are essentially fashion reasons i disagree with.
>>16838053It is mutilation, not special in any extent. Why? Because it's a result of self-loathing and dissonance between mind and body, a lack of recognition that they are one and the same.>>16838069There is entirely no evidence for the existence of a "soul". Personal beliefs, maybe. Even then, it's only acceptable once one has exhausted all other means of actually reconnecting body and mind.
>>16838069>I don't necessarily agree they can really experience the other genderTo clarify i mean by using surgical methods.
>>16838085>There is entirely no evidence for the existence of a "soul"Then you don't know much about occultism.
>>16838107Please, enlighten me. >inb4 woo weight-of-body-during-death paper
>>16838126No, but there is a hidden message about the soul in this image that will reveal the truth to you.
>>16838069>but respect their rightLol'd at this PC fascism. Don't have to respect shit, i'm entitled to my own opinion.
>>16838169>If another person respects it that means they think I have to.>"I'm entitled to my own opinion!"But others aren't, amirite?
>>16838163Actually that's cruel. Just a picture i chose at random. But the truth is probably still in there because it's in everything.I'm trying not to talk about that stuff so much and it's not going so well.
>>16838179>>If another person respects it that means they think I have to.>>"I'm entitled to my own opinion!">But others aren't, amirite?>this fucking strawmanI'm getting tired of this
>>16838085Mutilation could mean a heart transplant, or a simple as a piercing, and even then is not about if it is mutilation but on the purpose, the critic is on the decision people make.The part of recognizing the body may be better explanation, but nevertheless you use it as a justification on your view of the mutilation.Again, remember the occult is viewed as self harm, and using the same mental machination is reinforcing a counterproductive behaviour. Beware of the backlash.
>>16838207I hope you're not implying I support degeneracy.I'm just aware how far up your own ass you are, anon.Take a breath. Not everyone who calls you out is an enemy. Not everything that trips your trigger is a confrontation.
>>16838246>degeneracyAnd here we are, on a thread about a practice once considered so wicked that it was punished with death.
>>16838271At one time worshipping Christ was punishable by death as well.Mortal occurrences are hardly the measuring stick of the spirit.
>>16838226>Mutilation could mean a heart transplant, or a simple as a piercing>the occult is viewed as self harmMaybe in Ameriland.>heart transplantLife-saving procedure.>piercingsAesthetically pleasing, traditionally accepted, hardly any influence on the functioning of the body.>sex changeExpression of dissonance between mind and body turned against the latter. Easily fixable with therapy and introspection. In most cases borne out of long-term entrainment of inadequacy and sexual confusion.I blame the counter-culture movement, and the media.
How do I get into magic ? I dont know where to start and on what to focus. What are differend kinds of magic avaible ? sigils looks interesting and I would also like to get into healing magic.I got a book from this guy,is it good ? Whats your opinion on this personhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Bardon
>>16838312The book is only good if you actually practice what's in it.It's probably one of the best on the subject, since most occult books are just baseless superstition.
>>16838312I like Franz's stuff. His book on Hermetics is a good place to start.
>>16837291>sour grapesI don't think that means what you think it means.
The gender wars are everywhere it seems. What was crowley's thoughts on the goat? I know Regardie and Levi both thought of gender as something to be discarded.
>>16839694By the way, the rebis is a crucial alchemical key and it represents the union of both genders.Would love to know what information you have on this.
>>16839791Not sure about the rebis in particular. Not much of one for alchemy. With regards to Regardie the meta dogma of his writing is the pursuit of the great work. That is becoming a perfect enough soul to escape the circle of reincarnation and join a higher power, and since this higher power is inherently gender-less, clinging to tightly to the concepts of gender will slow your path. It also ties in with hermetic kabbalah. Each half of the tree of life has attributes given to its points, one half male and one half female. And each point on the tree of life also has certain spirits associated with it. So if you cling to tightly to male aspects, you'll have trouble working with the female aspects and find your magical workings harder to complete. And vice versa.
>>16839844Thank you, that was interesting.I will now add the genderless to my quest.
I've been working through Franz Bardon's Initiation into Hermetics and I've finally gotten through the Theory section (taking notes in a moleskine) and have reached the Practice section, starting with Thought Control.I've been peeking through at some of the other parts of the magical practice section just to get a good sense of what sort of stuff I'm working towards, and the focus seems to be on calming the mind and building oneself up for further work later on. There doesn't seem to be a lot of magical work that deals with anything other than self-building towards more magical work.Does Bardon's Practice of Magical Evocation start doing something more intense, or is it largely more self-purification? I just want to know what I'm getting into here.Also, is this really Hermeticism? Because I got it thinking I was getting further guidance in Hermeticism after having read the Kybalion already. Is the title a misnomer?
What is the importance of writing in a molskine?
Had a dream of a cute woman I know of. Skipped forward to practicing sex magick. In the middle of it, portal with the pentagram spawns mid air, gorilla sized demon grabs her up, plows her in the ass violently. Next, I'm running where the only visible source is a mirror. I get closer and notice it's a demonic representation. I immediately scream, in the name of Jesus Christ, blah blah and then the dream abruptly ended.And I'm seriously about to walk into an OTO gnostic mass next month. I'm typing on a phone and don't really care to format it as I feel the dream is nothing more than trying to uproot my fears and to quell my dwelling of what may. Any insights guys? Inb4 blog
>>16839915Welllll IIH can be seen as perfectly passable magical primer. But it is far closer to being Bardons' personal system then being truly hermetic. Much in the same way the Kybalion is far closer to a reworking of the corpus through a few peoples personal lenses. Waite is an interesting author on the topic, though his writing is somewhat dated and the practices hard to follow in some areas. The Golden Dawn curriculum is pretty good in this area though.
>>16840028Don't eat the cookies or crackers
>>16840018Nothing really; just said I was taking notes, the words kind of flowed out of my fingers and onto the keyboard and I didn't think anything of it.
>>16840069Was wondering because i've heard of them being associated with esoteric studies.
>>16840084Well, they're very nice journals, small and easy to transport/store/hide/whatever. The covers and pages are made of pretty good material.I don't think there's any spiritual significance other than them being nice journals, though.
>>16840035What would you recommend if I want to delve into more mainstream Hermetic practices?
>>16840112Kraig's Modern Magick is usually the go to for absolute step 1 stuff. Combine the work in that with IIH, maybe throw in a bit of Robert Bruce (especially N.E.W.), and you've got a few years of solid practice laid out for you if you have the discipline to work a training regime into your life and adjust your lifestyle to allow it to be successful.I'd always recommend getting a teacher though.
>>16840112The Corpus Hermeticum, The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus, regardie -The complete system of the golden dawn (optional and hokey)Waite- the hermetic museum
>>16839915>There doesn't seem to be a lot of magical work that deals with anything other than self-building towards more magical work.How far have you read?There's a bit of practical magic as early as Step 3, where you learn to project to vital force and impress it with different qualities. This is a deceptively powerful technique if you perform the accumulation and pore breathing training for a while first, and a bit of experimentation will allow you to pull off some amazing stuff with it.Step 5 is where you learn to project the elements, which you can then use to cause assorted environmental changes. It also contains the beginning work for spirit communication. By Step 6 & 7 you have trance work, intentional opening of the psychic senses and the creation of basic constructs (elementaries, as he calls them).Step 8 contains mental projection, working with the electric/magnetic fluids (yin/yang Chi, in Eastern parlance, which can do some pretty amazing things if you train hard in the condensation exercises) and the building of assorted magical tools.Step 9 contains scrying, astral projection, healing and the creation of talismans.Step 10 mostly consists of mysticism, but also gives advice for using the above techniques to work with elemental spirits and establish contact with the astral spheres in preparation for the work in his next book, as well as a pile of techniques for assorted abilities (telepathy, hypnotism, psychometry, hypnosis, and a pile of more advanced astral and elemental work).So yeah, there's a shitload of practical magic in it. It's lacking in other areas (mainly mystical development via internal alchemy), but I don't think it could be said to lack practical magic by any means. It just stresses that the personal development has to come first, or the practical magic will get messy pretty quickly.
>>16839694Gender... or sex?Cause sure, I have nothing against homosexuals. On the other hand, literally cutting up the body because of issues in the mind is far, far from being proof of mental stability.At best, it's equal to self-harm. A way to cope with emotions.>>16839915>There doesn't seem to be a lot of magical work that deals with anything other than self-building towards more magical work.Keys of SolomonEnochianBasically all astrologyIamblichusAgrippaO.T.O. technology
>>16840701I mean does Crowley specifically talk about it at any point in his writing. When it comes to the whole trans thing, I was under the impression that it was caused by the brain not forming to match the body. Like a person being born with two right arms. Since it's all in the meat I'd call that a body/body issue not really a body/mind one. Though the resulting metal problems like anxiety and poor socialization could be easily dealt with through parapsychological practices. Would be a slow start but they could figure it out eventually. Also I think he was asking specifically at which point Bardon got good.
>>16840753>I mean does Crowley specifically talk about it at any point in his writing.Yeah.http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib77.html>I was under the impression that it was caused by the brain not forming to match the body. More often than not it's caused by trauma or long-term abuse, and gets rationalized as it "being the wrong body" instead of "boys get bullied more". It's bullshit, and it's exacerbated by the schooling and psychology industries in recent times to an exorbitant degree.
>>16840775danke schon though that was perhaps a bit vague. Are there any books where Crowley talks about the works of Levi?.
>>16840817>Are there any books where Crowley talks about the works of Levi?.Not that I recall. He does claim to be Levi reincarnated in one of his books, don't remember where.
>>16840821What a nutcase.
>>16835767if anything it helps? Historical connection between shamanism and transgender people. in a specifically neoplatonic context i think final perfection of the soul would involve the removal of gender but transgenderism could probably be conceived as either reifying gender or as practicing flexibility towards gender so lol whateva yo.
>>16837977>comfortable in their own body without it going through surgery.This isn't even the case with most trans people i don't think, and unless they are constantly changing their mind about whether or not they are trans i don't see the impact on stability or coherence. Ad hominem for ad hominems sake: you sure you aren't post hoc rationalizing discomfort?>>16838303>>piercings>Aesthetically pleasing, traditionally accepted, hardly any influence on the functioning of the body.In what tradition? like transgenderism accepted in some and not others.
>>16841229Transgender? Sure. Within the context of a ritual/ magical operation.Outside of that, however, it's just undue dissonance between mind and body, which then instead of acting as one, have the mind blame and lash out against the body.Not a good thing.>>16841236>This isn't even the case with most trans people i don't thinkIt is the most common thing, though. "I can't feel comfortable in my own body", "I feel as if I'm meant to be the other sex", "I feel like I'm a woman inside", waaaah.Cry me a river.>>16841236>In what tradition?Virtually all of them.>like transgenderism accepted in some and not others.I'm not talking about transgender people. I'm talking about transsexuals. The former sure, probably do have issues, but they're not nearly as bad as they are with the latter group.
can we take a second to appreciate the fact that a kid who literally believes he's a wizard is complaining about others being mentally unstable??
>>16841269He's right tho
>>16841269Can we all take the time to send you the fuck back to tumblr, faggot?
Why do you do magick? What kind do you do?
>>16841402>implying occultards aren't bigger faggots and more mentally ill than even tumblrinas
In line with all this: Thoughts on the corrupt Demiurge? Info?I view it now as a base evil to divide and conquer life
>>16829365how do I contribute?
>>16841269Let's also take a moment to acknowledge that someone is really and truly buttdevastated because someone out there doesn't want to be initiated by a tranny.
>>16841269Does he really believe that though? Or is it just a meme?
>>16837892>Are you seriously implying that transgendered people can't be magickians?>>16837977>I'm not implying. I am saying explicitly>>16841248>I'm not talking about transgender people. I'm talking about transsexuals.Are you arguing in good faith?
To hell with trannies. Even /lgbt/ doesn't want them.
>>16837892get your fucking mental issues out of here
>>16841902>implying Crowley wasn't a tranny.
>>16831053Of course it is.>>16834380This just made my day. I'm glad to hear I was able to help.>>16837977And what exactly makes you "trustworthy" on the topic of magick? You suck at magick. And your /pol/itics have no place in this thread, or even this board. Not magickal, not paranormal.>>16838085Magick is the science of the soul, just as Psychology is the science of the mind and Biology is the science of the body.Biologists recognize that the human body remains human, no matter how drastically it is altered.Psychologists recognize that the human mind may be male, female, or any other gender.Magickians recognize that the human soul has a a blazing ambition, an indomitable will that cannot be defied. Every man, woman, and child is a STAR.The soul exists. This is a fundamental truth of magick. In fact, I would argue that the three great arts of Hermes are not theurgy, alchemy, and astrology; but biology, psychology, and magick. How pathetic, that you seem to be a failure at all three.>>16838126>proob 2 me dat da soul exisdds!You're starting to sound like every fedora-tipping skeptic who comes in here to flaunt their disbelief in magick. Yet you call yourself a magickian? What a strange creature you are.
>>16841971I like more your definition on the spirit and the body.Seeing the body as a static structure takes away the fact that many of the cells of the human body get replaced over the years, and that doesn't take away completely our essence.
>>16842038Yes, exactly. Your body is not "you."
>>16841971I would be glad to have you stay, you provide a healthy opposition to the resident tripfriends.
>>16841971>You're starting to sound like every fedora-tipping skeptic who comes in here to flaunt their disbelief in magick. Yet you call yourself a magickian? What a strange creature you are.I'm sorry but i'll take skepticism over religiously believing bullshit. You've downgraded magic and are basically preaching religion.
Many buddhists don't believe in a soul but still believe in magic.
I wonder if any of you guys organize study groups.Some put so emphasis on not taking >>16827109then what options does an uninitiated has to have a teacher?
>>16841971>Magick is the science of the soul, just as Psychology is the science of the mindOnly bad psychology studies the mind, the actual greek root of the words implies it studies the soul. And it is so. Now the cognitive current that rules america and spread over the world is a kind of cancer that makes it a science of cognition, when simpler and harder methods were already in place, and indeed were how psychology began: psychoanalysis, and the currents that come from it, in particular the analytic psychotherapy of Jung.I don't really think magic is a science of anything. It is as psychology a process of discovery, but it is also a male, active thing, where i put forth and try to effect change, i reach out as much as i reach in. Well for me it's not a science more like a dance. Because you know science is boring, and this stuff is just so much fun.
>>16842068I second the invitation.
>>16841912>implying he would risk surgery in the early 20th centurykek>>16841971>And what exactly makes you "trustworthy" on the topic of magick?That I can cite sources?>Magick is the science of the soulkeknoGiordano Bruno, Iamblichus and Al-Kindi disagree with you.>The soul exists. This is a fundamental truth of magick.[citation needed]>biology, psychology, and magickYou really believe your own bullshit, don't you?>Yet you call yourself a magickian?I do? Since when?That's some news to behold on this fine evening.>>16842043Get your shit right. "You" is an abstraction of the sum of organisms you act as. In the same way, you can say that a "car" doesn't exist, because it's simply an abstracted concept that doesn't include the sum of its parts explicitly in the process of communication.>>16842068>healthy oppositionPlease.
>>16841971What's your take on Franz Bardon?
>>16842100>"You" is an abstraction of the sum of organisms you act as. In the same way, you can say that a "car" doesn't exist, because it's simply an abstracted concept that doesn't include the sum of its parts explicitly in the process of communication.But this doesn't contradict>>16842043>Your body is not "you."
>>16842085>a male, active thing"Activity" is not an inherently masculine or male quality. The Sun is feminine, and you don't get much more active than that.
>>16842123One is about the mind and the other about the soul.I meant to indicate that difference when the "you" is implied.It doesn't contradict one or the other.
>>16842123>But this doesn't contradictYes, it does. Your body, as a sum of the things that constitute "you", is "you".Why? Because "your body" is exactly the same thing "you" describes.>>16842131>The Sun is femininelolnoIt's hermaphrodite at best (it needs to have creative power in some form for symbolic purposes), and even then, that's pushing it, as celestial bodies and intelligences don't have sex or gender.
>>16840821If you're thinking of Magic in Theory and Practice, on the section of Magical Memory, he doesn't outright claim to be Levi reincarnated, he presents what he thinks would be a strong case for him being the reincarnation of Levi "If the theory of reincarnation were generally accepted".
>>16842131Thrusting movement, impressing your will upon the world, putting forth seed. Yeah sounds feminime to me.Anyway this is not the point, the sun is neither masculine or feminine, and yet it can be seen as both. There are male solar deities and female solar deities all around the world. The same with the moon.The understanding of the opposites is not about saying a thing is M or is F, but to understand how they are interchangeble, a thing is a thing and it's opposite.
>>16842148Not sure about it.In the origin, the sun gave birth to planets. It irradiates life like breastfeeding, and the thrusting movements in the solar flares look like childbirth movements.
>>16842148>impressing your will upon the world>not feminineHillary Clinton, Queen Elizabeth, and Angela Merkel say hi.Politics aside, the sun is feminine. Solar flares are basically like menstruation; it's literally overflowing with life.The sun is fluid, though. It's made of fluids. Maybe the sun changes its gender every now and then, who knows? No star or planet is eternal. In the current era though, I can assure you that the sun is feminine.
>>16842159>>16842190>a thing is a thing and it's opposite.Is it that hard to understand?
>>16842190>No star or planet is eternal. In the current era though, I can assure you that the sun is feminine.Shove you assurance up your arse, it's of no use to anyone.
>>16842201Baseless post is baseless.
>>16842212Acids>bases
>>16842200If the feminine would only be a receiver of seed then that means dualism applies and we have both genders, one needing the other.But the feminine is more, is the bringer of life, is the original form.Maybe life bringing is adjudicated to the feminine after the cosmic break into false dualism, but had to state this nonetheless.Go on with your debate, is interesting.
>>16842083Anyone?
>>16842239>But the feminine is more, is the bringer of life, is the original form.>Maybe life bringing is adjudicated to the feminine after the cosmic break into false dualismWell that's exactly it if you state one you need the other, the original form is none and it is both, because there they only exist as a potential, but when existance come sinto play you introduce dualism, even if it's the dualism between existing / not existing. That's the ambivalent nature of reality, the necessity of opposites. That's why i don't think there's a point saying the female is the original form or the male is the original form. Because neither is true and both are.
>>16842148To the materialist it looks like male energies are the best, but magic is always ruled by female energies and deities. Isis, Hecate, etc. If you hate female energies the mental realm and magic are not for you.
>>16842304Linked to the wrong post. But it applies to so many others i won't bother correcting it.
>>16842131The Chinese would disagree on both counts. And, as a Turkish fellow who resembled the grey haired Da Vinci once told me, "the Chinese are very good at magic."
>>16842190>Solar flares are basically like menstruation; it's literally overflowing with life.You failed basic biology.A woman's period is a dead ovum and lots of tissue.Also dead.>In the current eraDotell, dotell.Is it SJW aeon yet?>>16842304>but magic is always ruled by female energies and deitiesThoth. Mercury. Odin. Hermes. Veles. Shiva. Vishnu. Christ. Just to name a few.
Except, you know, the sun is simply a gigantic hot ball of plasma, and lacking both genitals and consciousness, it literally is incapable of being either male or female.Seriously, what is wrong with you people?
>>16842350Welcome to occultism. You plaster teeny tiny things to literally everything in the universe.
>>16842316>Thoth. Mercury. Odin. Hermes. Veles. Shiva. Vishnu. Christ.>Just to name a few.I think you're confusing gods who used magic with gods who exist as the embodiment of magic. I do recognize Thoth as a teacher of magic but he was just a teacher, not the source. All the deities meant to be the embodiment of magic itself are female.My personal theory is that just how much control male energies have over the physical females ones do over the mental.
>>16842316>A woman's period is a dead ovum and lots of tissue.Not likely dead but unused, and that lost of tissue is more like a signal of life than death.
>>16842378>Shiva>Mercury>Christ>not embodiment of magicPlease.>>16842384>more like a signal of life>unfertilized>sterile, dead ovumYeah, no.
>>16842304>magic is always ruled by female energies and deitiesIt sure seems that way sometimes.Also, marijuana is a magic plant and the female plants are more potent than the male.
>>16842378>I think you're confusing gods who used magic with gods who exist as the embodiment of magic.Was about to say the same, they are the mystery and the source.>>16842399>Shiva>ChristMostly representations of the creator God, not source of magic.
>>16842416>Mostly representations of the creator God, not source of magic.Well, can't have Hekate or Freya on that list then. They're also representations.Isis is not a goddess of magic, just the patron of it (if you have citation to the contrary, please do post; I only did a 5 second search on wikipedia). Therefore it can't make the list. Hecate... quick search yields this: http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Hekate.htmlDoesn't say she's the source of magic.Therefore Thoth, Christ, Odin, and possibly others make for a pretty darn convincing case.
>>16842399>unfertilized>sterile, dead ovumsterile =/= unfertilised
>>16842409>marijuana is a magic plantAs is tobacco, clove, pepper, thyme, salvia, and basically anything else that can be perceived with the senses. Shit, you could worship daffodils for all I care.>>16842447Dead = sterile.
>>16842447Semantics.
>>16842463>Dead = sterile.unfertilised =/= sterileunfertilised =/= dead
>>16842468Yeah, pretty much.
>>16842316>SJWMeaningless conservative buzzword. Why aren't don't you go to /pol/? You'd fit in much better there.>>16842315>2015>confucianismConfucius was confused about a lot of things. Heck, it's practically the guy's name.>>16842463Yes, but marijuana is the queen of ALL plants. The qabbalistic Tree of Life is a cannabis plant.
>>16842486>Why aren't don't you go to /pol/? You'd fit in much better there.Jesus do you even read what you're typing?And no, I'm not on /pol/ because it's a depressing place.>marijuana is the queen of ALL plants. The qabbalistic Tree of Life is a cannabis plant.[citation needed]Also which Tree?
>>16842486>The qabbalistic Tree of Life is a cannabis plant.
>>16842441I was wrong about them always being female, but there is a tendency towards it. Male energies and deities usually governing material things like war or construction, and females ones governing the more passive things. It could also be argued like i said earlier about no one being fully one energy or the other all the time and these male deities are just more in touch with the other aspect in order to grasp certain knowledge. Likewise there are lots of females who operate in male energy and exercise greater dominance over the physical.
>>16842493>being such a turbonerd that you feel the need to point out spelling and grammatical errorsAnyway, the paths on the Tree of Life make the shape of a cannabis leaf. Also worth noting is that Tifareth corresponds to the Sun (the source of life for plants). That can't be a coincidence.>>16842497
>>16842547>there is a tendency towards itYou're going to have to demonstrate it. This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Magic_deitiesShows 22 female vs. 26 male.>Male energies and deities usually governing material things like war or construction, and females ones governing the more passive things.It appears like you're half-making an implication here that magic is passive, or that war or construction are active endeavors.I don't think that's necessarily true.>>16842548Yeah, no, you're retarded.The effects of Cannabis (Sativa, I don't like Indica much) if anything, coincide most with Netzach and Chokmah, within the realm of my experience of the plant.
>>16842569>The effects coincide most with Netzach and Chokmah, within the realm of my experienceBoth of which have a path connecting them to Tifareth.
>>16842083unless you live on the west coast of the usa or in the uk, there is a good chance that the only thing near you in an OTO lodge. If you want a web based group, just google what you want to join, something will show up.
>>16842587As well as Chesed.And the leaf is broken into 7 (Netzach) Green (Netzach) parts.7, interestingly, being the domain of Magic, which is Chokmah.
>>16842569>It appears like you're half-making an implication here that magic is passiveIt's only active in the mental, is what i'm saying. Thinking is a passive force and action is active from a material perspective, but that's reversed from a mental perspective.
>>16842601Yeah, now you're getting it. The Sun has a hand in every aspect of our lives. We're basically made of sunlight and stardust. This is the truth that I, Priestess Sevenleaf, am bringing to /x/.
>>16842634You're high as fuck right now aren't you?
>>16842634>now you're getting itI literally tore your argument apart, stupid.>>16842628You're confused. Start over, cause I can't understand one bit of what you mean to say.
>>16842634>We're basically made of sunlight and stardust.Interesting you point that because science says the same.
>>16842497Frater K! Can you help me here, please? Regardie recommends before starting the qabbalistic cross, to..."That is to say, prior to visualizing the centerof light above the head, the student should endeavor to expand thesphere of his consciousness. By this, it is meant that he should try toimagine with eyes closed that the body grows and grows until theheight increases enormously. Let him formulate in his own mind thatthe physical form heightens to such an extent that the head graduallytouches the ceiling, goes through the roof, and finally that the semblanceof a vast figure with head in the clouds of space is obtained,the feet resting securely on earth. In fact, from this exalted point ofview, the earth seems but a small globe beneath the feet. Havingobtained this sense of expansion, and it may be accompanied by aheightened sense of consciousness or of ecstasy, then let him visualizeduring the first vibration that the ray of light descends from theheavens upon his head, penetrating him and eventually illuminingthe region of his feet which are set firmly upon the earth. The sense ofexpansion is a definite one, rendering the performance of the gesturesof the Qabalistic Cross a much more vital and significant experience."He leaves it at that, even in other books. Funny enough, in the complete golden dawn, a final step is written:"It should be mentioned that once the exercise is over, the whole process should bereversed. That is, one should imagine oneself gradually reassuming one's normal size andabsorb the cross of light into oneself.. Close with the sign of Silence." When I listen to Regardie's tapes, it seems someone cut out the last step, and just pasted what he mentioned about the opening of the qabalistic cross. Should I include the last step? If I'm doing the LRP and want to use the sign of the enterer/silence to project unwanted thoughts away, how would I reconcile the above with this?? Anything's always appreciated.
>>16842647>You're confused. Start over, cause I can't understand one bit of what you mean to say.I was worried about that, but i'm not confused. Had to strain to make it that clear because its a little abstract, but i can follow it.
>>16842690Well, I can't. Where do you draw the line between mind and body, for one? Is it neural activity? If so, at which point does it cease being a function of the body?
how do you solidify motivation and purpose
>>16842674One more little thing to add: When tracing the pentagram, fortune recommends, "...Pointing the first and second fingers of the right hand,and folding the others into the palm and touching their tips with the thumb..." Cicero also recommends the index and middle fingers. I also get from questionable sources to just use the index finer. So far it's been OK, but I'm not sure if it's correct. Should I use the former, or is this a sort of "do what feels right" thing? >tfw no teacher>tfw no good orders near by but social clubs
>>16842674The "heightened sense of consciousness or of ecstasy" tends to bring on an altered state. During which it is not uncommon to lose track of ones body. Your perception of yourself will shrink back into your normal body gradually as you work, making the closing step unnecessary in many cases. And the feeling is so enjoyable it's rare (in my experience) for a magus to fully close the ritual, instead preferring to go about their day with the retirements of that feeling, letting it fade gradually on it's own.
>>16842669All sciences eventually point to the same truth. That's why I say magick is the science of the soul.>>16842643I wish.
>>16842697The only stuff we can track in the brain is it processing information from the senses, moving limbs and storing memories of each. Whatever or whoever is processing the information and making decisions based on it is still a mystery and i believe it's completely non-physical.
>>16842727>>The "heightened sense of consciousness or of ecstasy" tends to bring on an altered state.I'd say the two are synonymous.>And the feeling is so enjoyable it's rare (in my experience) for a magus to fully close the ritual, instead preferring to go about their day with the retirements of that feeling, letting it fade gradually on it's own.I'd say that's irresponsible. As long as you're in trance, you're more suggestible, and more emotional, than you would otherwise be. This might not be optimal in many cases.>>16842735>Whatever or whoever is processing the information and making decisions based on it is still a mysteryNot so. The decision and volition centres are actually well defined.http://haaya.org/uploads/neuropsychology.pdf
>>16842727remnants not retirements. Also may I recommend a different ritual to use at the start in preparation than that of silence. Perhaps just take five to ten minutes of laying down and concentrating of the sensations of the body, to block off unwanted thoughts.
>>16842739>The decision and volition centres are actually well defined.That becomes active when decisions are made. Just in the last year or two Obama announced a big effort to locate consciousness in the brain because it really is still a mystery among neuroscientists, and is probably also an obstacle for man interfacing with machines and AI which the military industrial complex would probably like to find ways around.
>>16842761>That becomes active when decisions are made.So after the decision making process is over, to be clear.
>OP topic is Zos Kia>thread filled with reactionary posts trying to tear down one conscious defintion for the sake anotherSo, I'd just like to say that A.O. Spare had some really cool ideas, and I love and have worked successfully with a homemade system directly based on his 'Alphabet of Desire.'Also, Spare's emphasis on the interplay between animal and divine, as well as his focus on the power of those parts of the mind outside consciousness are as potent and subversive today as they were back in his time. Such concepts have always existed in the various human cultures, but what sets Spare apart from most is that he took these ideas to their own ends instead of looping back around to some easily digestible rhetoric.
pitifully trying to one-up each other based on personal belief general
>>16842830Join us!!! We're fun!
>>16842486>conservativeMeaningless SJW buzzword. Why aren't don't you go to worldstarhiphop.com? You'd fit in much better there.
>>16843471It's Cancer!
>>16840112>What would you recommend if I want to delve into more mainstream Hermetic practices?The Magical Philosophy series by Denning and Phillips. The Ogdoadic tradition of the Aurum Solis is more hermetic than even the "Hermetic" Order of the Golden Dawn.
>>16842486>Yes, but marijuana is the queen of ALL plants. The qabbalistic Tree of Life is a cannabis plant.Remember that the Kabalah also operates on whatever level of personal symbol you give it. Associating the Tiphareth with ol' MJ makes sense, seeing as it is built from 8 branching paths, with Samech at its base. My viewpoint is that life takes on the attributes of the paths and Sephirot, and learning how to properly construct the right paths is paramount to navigating life based upon the cosmic will.It's a wonderful and logical choice of personal symbol. The shape is there, it is also one of those things that can help facilitate watching the beauty in life.
>>16843558>cosmic will.Can you explain this? And thanks.
Anyone mind replying to my thread or on here? It's about the limitations of magick on love, also a magick success story for your time>>16843307
>>16843497It's one thing to present your opinion, it's another to shit on the opinion of others. Especially when you're pushing an "ancient tradition" that's newer than the chaos philosophy.
>>16843616Do you have free will, or is everything you do destiny/predetermined? Either is up for debate, depending on where you stand in your philosophical learning. This means that even if there were sins and ethics, they exist wholly within your own brain. Other minds and individuals are simply reflections to yourself, each with their own places in the Tree. Learning to read these people as their symbols, can lead you down certain paths, depending on your relationships, and how you're willing to present yourself to the individuals. If you look to the tree, each path and Sephirot can be attributed to real life situations, and entered by way of them. Think of this as sliding between realities, towards the desired outcomes.Imagine your spine along the Tree. A more ruthless individual would choose to use symbolic Sephirot on the right-hand path, a righteous one would take the left, while those interested in the chaotic physical realm remain center. Thus the concepts of the Right hand (Original Sin,) Left Hand (Atonement,) and Balance in chaos (Taoist Yin and Yang).An exercise here would be finding synchronizations, and creating them. Surround yourself with symbols of what you would like to see more of. Notice that after a certain amount of time, they're easier to pick out in your surroundings. Learn the paths and their intersections, and how you would like to move through symbols.Just don't try too hard.
>>16843741Thanks, i already knew some of that just never heard it referred to that way.
chaos magician who started this thread heretop keki appreciate zorak's serious contribution to the topic of zos kis cultus thoand i still need to find magical partners to help me out for dboe work. already burned a sigil for it. i tried to banish and forget but i probably need to sleep for it to fully permeate my subconscious.
>>16844069That shipped sailed long before I got here. There was a very enlightened debate about others peoples nuts going.
>>16842727>During which it is not uncommon to lose track of ones body. Your perception of yourself will shrink back into your normal body gradually as you work, making the closing step unnecessary in many cases. When doing the invoking/banishing routine consistently, this may not be the case.>>16842739>I'd say that's irresponsible. As long as you're in trance, you're more suggestible, and more emotional, than you would otherwise be. This is closer. Here's what worries me:"...The return to the body after a vision must be attended to withcare and judicious precaution. Upon entering the physical framea few deep breaths should be deliberately undertaken in order toensure the close conjoining of the two organisms, and it has beensuggested that a God-form should be physically assumed and aName vibrated...Failure to ensure thecornmingling of the two essences of the thought body and thephysical body may lead to disastrous consequences." In this exercise, it seems I am expanding the astral body into space, and forgetting it is there. The formulation of the pentagrams/evoking of the angels is done with my attention in the room. Now, the above is reinforced once again, leaving the astral body floating off somewhere. See where I'm going with this?
>>16842742> Also may I recommend a different ritual to use at the start in preparation than that of silence. Sorry I was so unclear, I was referring to this specific exercise: "...Make a mental image of yourconcern or anxiety then formulate it before you. Project it away from you with the salutingsign of a Neophyte (which is depicted on a later page) and when it is about three feet awayprevent its return with the sign of silence. Now imagine the form in the Eastern quadrantbefore you and perform the Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram to destroy it. In your mind'seye see it dissolve on the outside of your circle of flame." I am not sure how I can reconcile this with Regardie's expansion technique. The above is supposed to be done before the qabalistic cross, so I am very confused.
>>16842596Thanks.
>>16843468... Compared to 4chan, that would be a step up.
>>16835767Im going to need more info on this. Any links to the nudes or some censored version you can post here? Following a mentally disturbed tranny is a recipe for disaster. He/she/it must clean her own house before attempting to lead others, imo.
>>16838053>may i remind you huuurrrrrFuck off roleplaying beta faggot.
>2015>following a tranny guru
>>16845073>>16845083Faggot alert, abort thread.
>>16845106Stick to being a professional victim and vidya, Anita.
>>16845106
Say I want to curse someone... is there any repercussions to doing so, karmic or otherwise? Tbh the only thing that's stopped me from ever trying any of this is the fear that it will come back to me worse.But someone has been trying my patience for so long now, so I want to know for certain. Thanks to anyone who answers.
>>16845179Yes, there are repercussions both karmic and otherwise. But more importantly, how will cursing this person stop them from trying your patience?
>>16845288I don't want them killed, really. I was thinking having them involved in a serious accident that will take months to recover from, so that by the time she's out of the hospital, we'd be on our own way.Tldr it's more like removing the person from the picture just long enough for us to get going.What are the repercussions for someything like this?
>>16845360>the only thing that's stopped me from ever trying any of this is the fearThe fear and the Invisible Hand of Karma are one and the same.>removing the person from the picture just long enough for us to get goingThis is more like a binding spell. Try the name-paper-in-the-ice-cube-tray thing. What are your religious beliefs/spiritual background?
>>16845360If it's another guy and it's over a girl there will be other guys even if you get rid of this one.
>>16845367>The fear and the Invisible Hand of Karma are one and the same.Are you saying I should let go of the fear>What are your religious beliefs/spiritual background?Raised a catholic, still am, but not so proper nor actually good being one. Regarding sporitual background, I have close to none. Been experiencing /x/-related stuff since childhood but didn't really tell anyone because of the hurr durr ur goin to hell background I have. Went to a reader with friends for the lulz and was told my third eye is partly open. Never tried any actual occult-related stuff except for the occasional praying for/trying to summon rain and storms.What does a binding spell do, exactly? I'm guessing this has lesser consequences compared to getting them in an accident, or am I mistaken?Thanks for the answers, anon. I'm completely new to this so I appreciate the guidance.>>16845375Don't worry, it's not.
>>16845360>What are the repercussions for someything like this?For a serious accident? Pretty huge, although motive is a major factor - it's pretty relative, as much as anyone can make sense of it (and if anyone claims to understand karma perfectly, they're lying).But generally speaking eg. you'd accumulate more karma from slapping someone across the cheek if you did it just out of spite or egotism or anger than you would for killing someone if you did it because they were just about to murder an innocent.Anyway as >>16845367 said binding someone is safer, more effective and orders of magnitude easier.Honestly, I've yet to hear a single valid moral justification for cursing someone. It's a pointless practice which serves nothing but revenge, vengeance and power lust.
>>16845397>Are you saying I should let go of the fearSome fears are helpful, some are not. Isn't being afraid of the consequences of your actions like being afraid of being successful?>Raised a catholic, still am, but not so proper nor actually good being one.Perfect. Pray to St Peter that he binds that woman until you are safely out of her reach. Use a rosary, or perform a novena. See Matthew 16:19 and 18:18.If she is still a problem, add to that a daily devotion to Saint Michael the Archangel. Ask the Angelic Warrior to tame her and destroy her influence in your life.No doubt you will find more info on how to do this properly on the internets (mostly from a hoodoo/conjure/rootwork perspective, or italian christian folk magic).>What does a binding spell do, exactly?It's purpose is to neutralize someone's influence in your life, to spiritually "bind" them so they can't work against you, and they wicked schemes fail.>I'm guessing this has lesser consequences compared to getting them in an accidentShort answer: yes, it is safer (for you) to bind them.
>>16845418Will it help if the person I'm after is a prof who's been really unfair to a lot of students, not just our class?I'm not being bitter over a failed test or whatever. I mean really unfair>if you're a qt fuckable boy it's ok if you're constantly weeks late with your submission>no pardon if you're a girl>doesn't matter if you were sick and has proof, I don't like you so I won't accept it>if I'm in a bad mood everyone suffers>you're reporting while I'm on PMS? Too bad, sit the fuck down, no chances for you, good luck pulling your grades back up after I fail you over and over again>for not being able to answer one question so far removed from your topicI've asked other students in her other classes and it seems she's pretty consistent with this trend of hers. I doubt anyone ever tried reporting her -- the admin generally favors their employees more than the students, so fuck that.Basically my original intention is to keep her in a hospital for the rest of the term, her classes will probably be given to someone else more competent, and all will be well.But if some form of binding spell or something will keep her from shitting on us then I'm all ears.
>>16845448I'm actually more fearful of what will happen to me should the spell be a success. Will I get into an accident myself? Will my loved ones?If none of those threats exist I'd gladly have her fucked up to next October reallyGreat, I'll note down those tips. I wasn't really expecting a catholic oriented approach because I thought it was all "love thy neighbor though they may be a piece of shit" kind of stuff, so thanks for this bit!Would combining those St. Peter prayers plus a binding spell be a bad idea? I want to be very, very sure she is neutralized for good.
>>16845486She does sound like shit, i say curse her anon. Bitch had it coming.
Hi, Different anon herenot >>16845288 , >>16845360but I would also like to know the response.What if I just want a spell that acts like a protection or repellant, let's say the negativity will just bounce back to the sender. Will this have a bad karma on me as well?Actually I want to do this for a friend because bad luck has been happening to him at work every since he got assigned to this really shitty boss.
>>16845486A very kind way to deal with this would be to make a "honey jar" with her name in it. It is a popular technique from hoodoo folk magic meant to "sweeten" her towards her students.The general idea is to get a picture of her and/or some personal belongings and/or a name-paper and put them in a small jar, then pour some honey or molasses over it while praying to the saints that she becomes meek as a lamb. Some candle will probably be involved, and maybe you can get other students to join you on this?Here's the first of many results for youtube videos on the topic (keep in mind it is often used for love, but can just as easily be used to tame a teacher or win over a jury in a trial)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j28manhR6cw>>16845498>I'm actually more fearfulI really don't believe in the "Boomerang effect" to be honest. Most people simply feel guilty for laying a curse on someone and will attribute any subsequent failure to the Law of Rebound. Also the alleged rationale behind it doesn't make sense: how are you supposed to balance a wrong with another wrong? For instance, if you kill someone, will balance be restored by killing someone else, or by giving birth?Now, there are some entities whose only purpose is to wreak havoc, and if you summon them, they will grant your wish first then carry on with the destruction of your own life. But saints and angels ain't like that.>Would combining those St. Peter prayers plus a binding spell be a bad idea?Saint Pete is doing the bidding, actually. Now, you can think about combining several elements into a coherent ritual, eg. call upon him and ask for his help when doing the freezer thing I mentionned earlier.>I wasn't really expecting a catholic oriented approachWell, there are actual Catholic prayers to kill people. Like, legit and all, approved of by the Pope. See Anathema and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell,_book,_and_candle
>>16845540>a spell that acts like a protection or repellantThis branch of spellcraft is called "apotropaic magic" and usually involve charms and talismans to keep evil at bay. Pic related.>the negativity will just bounce back to the senderThere are a few symbolically obvious techniques using mirrors – such as the "mirror box" – that do precisely that.>bad luck has been happening to him at work every since he got assigned to this really shitty bossI am wondering what Lady Luck has to do with that... But if your friend and his boss don't get along well, he can make a honey jar or use hoodoo powders such as Boss Fix.>>16845570>Saint Pete is doing the bidding*binding, obviously.Also you can buy/make/use some Hot Foot powder to drive her out of town.
>>16845619>I am wondering what Lady Luck has to do with that...he was unlucky to get assigned to him I guess? but aside from that, his work schedule changed, got assigned to an unfair management, and other things>But if your friend and his boss don't get along well, he can make a honey jar or use hoodoo powders such as Boss Fix.He doesn't believe in those things. I will be the one doing the spells and stuff>This branch of spellcraft is called "apotropaic magic" and usually involve charms and talismans to keep evil at bay. Pic related.I only have experience with creating sigils and maybe a few crystals gifted to me in the past. I was planning on giving him a good luck/protection charm to attract good luck and repel any shit flung onto him.Would this do?
>>16845540also,>the negativity will just bounce back to the senderWill this have any repercussions on me? I mean the spell was doing a self defense, it's not like I made the spell out of revenge
>>16832874the.ghost.of.morgan@gmail.comContact me for an interview to get in. I'm one of the people running it. As for why we are not in Google it's intentional as we don't want to be easily found ( for reasons look up both " Mystery Tradition ", "Hackers ", " Trolls " and " SPAM " ). We are always open to new members :3
>>16845747And yeah I'm a tranny. I post nudes. It has nothing to do with how spiritually developed I am or any ability to teach aside from self knowledge and fortitude gained from a hard life ( in regards to being a trans girl ) and not being ashamed of expressing sexuality ( in regards to the nudes ). I don't loathe my body anymore and let my mind and spirit be the template and ideal I matched it to to solve the dichotomy between them. And therapy does nothing to change the gender to match the sex so there's a legitimate reason they allow a physical solution instead.As for the " hard life " part look at surges posts and know he's one of hundreds most of us run into spouting such views with little or no provocation and most of us have heard far worse from many people in our lives. As much as I disagree with him I Have Actually Heard Far Worse To My Face and not just when people thought I wasn't listening. Signed, ( according to some people )" an Abomination "
>>16845794>therapy does nothing to change the gender to match the sex...clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>16845794Meant to say surgo. Fucking autocorrect. and if you think I'm unduly bashing him or calling him out ( including if you're him. Hi surgo * waves * ) read his posts in this thread ( most of them are about me for some reason ) and compare them to mine and you'll have a good grasp as to whether what I said about him is fair or not. I think it is but opinion isn't always fact and I vastly encourage people to look past pre-conceived notions ( including and especially when I catch myself doing so ) when it comes to facts
>>16845819Elaborate please or that's just your opinion, man. Gender is mental. Sex is physical. Check any reputable dictionary and while you're at it look up the success rate of " reparative therapy " for gay and/or transgender people. That last part is currently ( but sadly quite slowly ) being criminalizes for the psychological damage it does.Or just drop it. Your choice
>>16845819This is an occult thread, from the name synonymous with Magick, " occult ", meaning hidden. I have never attempted at any point in the last decade to hide this shit so this is getting ridiculously off topic. I'd rather read in peace please and only reply from here on for stuff to do with actual Magick, metaphysics, different Magick systems, techniques and such. Please respect that and leave my sex organs, biology, gender, and sexual expression the fuck out of it.I'm asking you nicely
>>16845840>Elaborate please or that's just your opinion, man. Gender is mental. Sex is physical.Not the case. Gender cannot be "mental" because mental processes are physical. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/genderhttp://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sexDoesn't seem at all like the difference you're describing.>Check any reputable dictionarySee above. You're wrong.>and while you're at it look up the success rate of " reparative therapy " for gay and/or transgender people. "Reparative therapy" is not the only way to go about things, you know. Evidently you haven't done your research.>That last part is currently ( but sadly quite slowly ) being criminalizes for the psychological damage it does."Psychological damage" my ass. The whole reason people go through with sex change surgery is BECAUSE they are damaged. They have broken the integrity between their mental image of themselves and their body. Be it because of childhood abuse, trauma, or simply social pressures, especially in our hyper-suggestible society.>Or just drop it. Your choiceOr maybe do your research.>I'm asking you nicelyOr what? You're going to whine me to death?Just go ahead and filter me if you don't like me.
>>16845840> Gender is mental. Sex is physical.Nothing against someone being a tranny and being confident about it. But this what you said is just bullshit.
>>16845847Uh, you brought it up in the first place? Not sure what reaction you expected.
Okay, one last thing before I shut up for now, I can't believe the irony of someone attempting to slander and shame me for posting nudes elsewhere in a post about fucking TANTRA XD. Divine Sexuality and getting in touch with it. Srsly wtf yo. But at least I can laugh about it now because it is legitimately fucking hilarious to me for the timing :D. Love you guys :3Theos Ei
>>16845864>I can't believe the irony of someone attempting to slander and shame me for posting nudesI haven't seen anyone trying to shame you in the thread for this. Have you?>Divine Sexuality and getting in touch with itI have to really question your concept of tantra if you think camwhoring qualifies.Everything you have shown in the thread so far convinces me more and more that trannies are not fit to initiate in any capacity whatsoever.
>>16845111>that noseIm not surprised at all
>>16837977I'm with you. Went through a trans phase and let me tell you that shit is fucked up. Socio-gender norms, stereotypes, and boxes are also fucked up -- but transgender movement is too.
>>16838312Try liber null & psychonaut by Peter J. Carroll, it's an introduction to chaos magic which is a good start for anyone interested in getting started with witchcraft. It cuts through all the dogmatic bullshit.
>>16845869While I can't speak for the oto and related orders, in the more eclectic circles being trans never prevented anyone from practicing. Not every trans person is a tumblrite, and most of the sjws who claim to represent them have nothing to do with that.
>>16845869You haven't seen anyone try to shame me because you're not looking in a mirror while you say this shit.And the fact that it's just you speaks volumes for the good sense, empathy, tolerance, evaluative skill, and sense of any kind of decorum everyone else who posted in this thread has. And the fact that you are lacking in all of those things in regards to my people. Not even just me. My people. Us. Thousands of us at minimum. You're being a bigot by behaving like a bigot and I was. Really hoping you had changed by now before I read all this shit. People aren't backing you up because they either a) know better, b) admit they don't know or don't know for sure and aren't jumping in out of fairness, c) don't give a fuck either way, d) are actually wishing you ( and at this point possibly me. Sorry ) would stop, e) think you're being a fucking asshole even if you are right about ANY particular point you made or are trying to or f) are busy attending a fucking Klan rally.As for the nudes part it's just life affirming, disregarding shame, my own fucking personal choice and thus empowering, none of your fucking business anyway unless you get a case of the " I can't unsee"s, and .... Fuck. There's too much to list. I'll just post this now
>>16845916Correction: one dude backed you up while I was posting. Still, it took this fucking long
I do all my magick in a very "new age" way. Self-taught and I use the meta-model for energy work.What could I do with traditional summoning/banishing/whatever rituals to assure me of their value?I want to be interested in them, but totally am not... I am interested in trying a few to see if I should reassess.Part of my practice/beliefs is ignoring all entities/beings.
>>16845916Without getting to specific, is there an article about you on encyclopedia dramatica?
>>16845905I don't particularly mind transgenders as long as they're reasonably mentally stable.Like, crossdressing, genderfluid rituals? That's fine with me.What's not fine is keeping oneself in this dissociative identity dissonance anchored on ones sexuality, especially if the person takes it as something more than just play. Throwing raging fits over ones self-image is FAR from being healthy.>>16845915It's not a question of being transsexual. It's that being transsexual is evidence of a lack of mental stability, integrity, and coherence. It's proof of dissonance.>>16845916>You haven't seen anyone try to shame me because you're not looking in a mirror while you say this shit.Except I haven't shamed anyone. I'm stating facts, make your own mind up.>And the fact that it's just you speaks volumes for the good sense, empathy, tolerance, evaluative skill, and sense of any kind of decorum everyone else who posted in this thread has.kek'd>And the fact that you are lacking in all of those things in regards to my people.>my peopleYou mean Canadians? I actually like Canadians. I don't like mentally ill people.>Not even just me. My people. Us. Thousands of us at minimum.Millions, actually. >You're being a bigot by behaving like a bigot and I was. Really hoping you had changed by now before I read all this shit.You were a bigot? Jeez, no wonder.>People aren't backing you up because (...)See, the thing is, I don't care. My points are founded in logic and reason. Your points aren't. It's your choice to be an emotional cry-baby instead of actually stand for yourself. Notice how your persecution complex keeps you coming back, as if asking for validation in your choices. It's fun! And you're wrong!
>>16845942Sadly no. I was never that famous despite a regular on Tranchan, having my own board on Trapchan ( while it was around ) and being lucky enough to date Iodine for a while ( gods rest her soul. The poor girl killed herself a little over a year ago. I don't blame her though. To say she had a hard life was an understatement by far. I.. I really wish I could helped her :/ ) and I'm still friends with a lot of the other camwhores who posted there too. And fuck, now I'm crying over my dead ex. By " hard life " I don't mean like my hard life. She was always alternating between couch surfing and being homeless the entire time I knew her and for the last few months before then was living in her car but just moved into her name before it happened. And then lost her job...
>>16845947>>16845916Alright, can we please end this off topic discussion? No on cares if you're a transdimensional being from galaxy X come to gyrate your clitori all over Hades, or some backwards ass redneck from the state of Georgia or some backwater pond scum, knock it the fuck off and discuss the occult.
>>16845959New home. Not name. Sorry. Autocorrect.
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>>16845959Well at least you're not Laurelai than, that's one thing you've got going for you.
>>16845960I will if he will. Or I might just try to be the better person and do that anyway. Sorry.I know this isn't the place for this and I was only defending myself. I actually did just come in hoping to just enjoy a thread on Magick before I read that shit.Again, sorry to derail.
>>16845985>I was only defending myselfNobody attacked you though. Going back to magick: anyone working the Ars Paulina recently?
So I'm starting my journey into magic for the first time, and realized that meditation is the first step in the process of casting. So I'm wondering what your favorite texts are on the subject of meditation?
>>16845984Oh, fuck. I know her :0. .... And yeah at least I'm not her ( inb4 she suddenly shows up or something ). So, Tarot Cards. Do they qualify as a Magickal Language? I mean they cover most archetypes, work as visual signals, and in combination are incredibly versatile.Also during Scrying have any spirits or your own pre-cognitive abilities ( or what many call the Higher Self or True Self ) ever communicated or shown visions to you using them as symbolic message? Because the first few times I had success at Scrying that's what I saw and was wondering if that part is a common experience for some people
>>16845869>Everything you have shown in the thread so far convinces me more and more that trannies are not fit to initiate in any capacity whatsoever.But dudes who gay rape their followers in deserts and write fart poetry are more than qualified, amirite crowleycuck?
>>16846008STOP FEEDING THE FIRE.
>>16846012No.If we're going to talk about mental illness in occultism, we should start there.
>>16846004>meditation is the first step in the process of castingI don't think that's necessarily true.It MIGHT be, depending on your tradition.About meditation... Raja Yoga, by Vivekananda, definitely.There's some other modes of trancing that are useful, however they require more study and knowledge than the average /x/phile is willing to explore.>>16846007>So, Tarot Cards. Do they qualify as a Magickal Language? I mean they cover most archetypes, work as visual signals, and in combination are incredibly versatile.I don't think they do off their own accord, however they most certainly include languages; astrology, mythology, symbolism in various traditions. So I'd say they're more like a dictionary than a language by themselves, inherently.>Also during Scrying have any spirits or your own pre-cognitive abilities ( or what many call the Higher Self or True Self ) ever communicated or shown visions to you using them as symbolic message?I am not sure what you're referring to. I've had their symbolism come up during my 231 and Enochian visions.> Because the first few times I had success at Scrying that's what I saw and was wondering if that part is a common experience for some peopleI don't think that's relevant. As long as they carry a message that's meaningful to you, that's fair.>>16846008With the difference being, Crowley was a rock in terms of being mentally stable. He hardly had self-image issues, was a fairly successful entrepreneur, he constantly invested in self-development. And was a heroin addict, at a time when super-pure heroin was available at the corner store.You're confusing having a fetish/ weird interests with being mentally disturbed (having self-image issues deep enough to actually go for surgery rather than fixing the issues themselves).
>>16846018THE CONVERSATION IS OVER.NO ONE CARES EXCEPT ME, BECAUSE YOU KEEP TRYING TO BEAT AN ALREADY DEAD HORSE.
>>16846018We can start way earlier than that if you want. https://youtu.be/kPKEk2aHjow
>>16846025Well, meditation is the first step in chaos magick I meant. (At least in the liber null)
>>16846018Actually how about we bypass the easy one and talk about the possibility of Pythagoras being insane. and not because he claimed to remember all his past lives before anyone in Greece had heard of reincarnation or his occult theories... Except for the fact that brains have a limited storage capacity and that is one reason why the elderly start to lose their memory or have trouble with recall. I mean hypothetically if he really did remember multiple life times that Could conceivably explain some of his behaviour as mental instability due to it basically being a massive overload of data that caused a fracture. Such as his massive aversion to beans despite encouraging, practicing, and requiring strict vegetarianism from his followers and forbidding them to eat them. Ever. And actually allowing himself to be killed at the end of his life because his only route of escape was a bean field.I'm not saying he's wrong on the rest of what he taught even if he was. In fact mentally unstable ( or even completely insane ) people often show an astonishing level of breakthroughs from being outside the normal view of the world. Like how artists have been known to have break-through a and create some of their best work either during or as the later result of a breakdown.>>16846025That's the thing though about tarot. We can both agree it contains a lot of languages and linguistic elements. Like a poly-glot . Not really as a unique language but most are derived from other languages for their etymology so my point is it could qualify in that regard and because once one learns the cards ( as one has to learn any language to understand it ) it is very reminiscent of a visual language. Just one based on symbolism. Hence why people refer to it as " reading the cards "
>>16846071Except it's not derived from the languages. It's literally a dictionary. All the symbols from the systems it draws from are there. There's nothing that is in the Tarot that is not found in say, astrology itself. It's not a language unto itself. And you can "read a dictionary" as well. The dictionary isn't a language; it's just a medium by which you can translate between systems.
>>16846071>Except for the fact that brains have a limited storage capacity and that is one reason why the elderly start to lose their memory or have trouble with recall.Which is not a result of "limited storage capacity", but a result of the brain decaying. There are elderly people with amazing memories; it's not because of some magic woo, but because they're actually using their brain and feeding it well, so it doesn't decay.>In fact mentally unstable ( or even completely insane ) people often show an astonishing level of breakthroughs from being outside the normal view of the world.Often? Most of them end up in mental institutions, broke, destitute. I wonder how many mentally unstable people have contributed to the things we use everyday. Can't think of any in the technology world, to be honest.Can you?
>>16846076I just said if it was it's a poly-glot. A language that is a large collection of other languages mashed together. I never said it was a " unique " language. I only hypothesized that it might be " a " language.
>>16846087Also it couldn't be a dictionary because dictionaries include definitions of the language it contains. It never says what the planets, numbers, Hebrew letters, or symbols mean except through visual form and if THAT qualifies as giving the definitions , then that's the language it's using, and in that regard would contain a unique dialect in doing so
>>16846025>Crowley was a rock in terms of being mentally stable. He hardly had self-image issues, was a fairly successful entrepreneur, he constantly invested in self-development.Crowley confessed he was afraid of not being good enough, he squandered his entire parents fortune which he did nothing to earn, and died a deadbeat addict with no friends.Literally everything you said was a lie.
>>16846089>poly-glotThat word doesn't mean what you think it does.>A language that is a large collection of other languages mashed together.Except it's not. >>16846092Except it does say what they mean. Very, very clearly.That your puny mind is unable to draw meaning from sensory associations is quite mind-boggling.>>16846095>Crowley confessed he was afraid of not being good enough, he squandered his entire parents fortune which he did nothing to earn, and died a deadbeat addict with no friends.>Literally everything I said was a lie.fix'dWell, except the "not good enough" thing. Because who doesn't have that, at least a few times in their lives, eh?Go and read more.
>>16846087I said " one reason " for a reason because that is also a reason. But neither of which is the sole reason. The difference is I didn't assume it was one reason and tried deliberately to not state it being one reason.Also did you just call the physical limits and mechanics of the brain " magic woo" or just misunderstand me again? I never said that part had anything to do with Magick. I was talking fucking biology.Also about the artists: Pink Floyd's The Wall, Van Gogh's later work, that one guy whose name I forget who over the years kept drawing cats by what he thought they looked like but slowly went from cute drawings to psychedelic images to frightening " cat demon from hell " looking images. I'll see if I can find a pic or references to that guy, it was really cool and a direct result of his schizophrenia. And it's been posted here quite a few times for being both beautiful and often on-topic.
>>16846095In surges defense nothing he said was a lie. But only because he believes it sincerely and repeating a lie you believe isn't actually lying.Frustrating, am I right?
>>16846099>Go and read more.Heh.
>>16846108>Also did you just call the physical limits and mechanics of the brain " magic woo" or just misunderstand me again? I never said that part had anything to do with Magick. I was talking fucking biology.Sure you were. Citations, please.>artistsContribute nothing to society as a whole.
>>16846113Considering all that information is readily available by pretty much every biography ever written on him, I'm not sure if Sugar is delusional, or just ignorant.
>>16846126Considering Crowley regularly had visitors at the old-folks home where he died, and still had a strongbox full of cash at the time, you're essentially wrong.Read his biographies, instead of buying chatter from the Internet, eh?
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>>16846118http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Polyglot+(language)First things first. Everything from h to the last bracket when typed into your internet browser will send you to a valid and well known definition of what a poly-gloat language is. But only if you hit send. Closing the tab will cancel this though so don't do that.Here is a later work of Lou's Wain, the artist I couldn't name before whose works improved dramatically from his schizophrenia. If you look his early work it's quite early and bland. You can find it on the Internet. I won't say you can find it easily though, despite it being true when said to other people, because at this point I'm convinced you couldn't properly conceive of how basic things like tooth brushes, mirrors, or chewing gum work. Hence the wording of this post. Enjoy the pretty cat picture. Also life without art and artists would be unpleasantly utilitarian and barbaric. You are unfairly selling them short. An artist is someone who creates art in various ways. Should I send a link to explain what those are too? At this point I wouldn't be surprised if you are unintentionally talking about gremlins when you say artists so I simply must check.
>>16846144Correcting typos here. Poly-glot not poly-gloat. And Louis Wain is the name of that artist
>>16846144>mixed language (redirected from Polyglot (language))Therefore "polyglot" is not the word you want to use. Especially because:http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/polyglotAnd you've yet to cite your claim about memory.
>>16845570About that picture, is it okay if I just print one nicked off her facebook account? Or from the admin roster in the school website? Or do I have to take a picture of her myself?Hmm, I think I'm gonna try all the suggestions from least to most "severe" for lack of a better word. I'm just not sure if I can find other students willing to give this a try. Nevertheless, I am determined to do these.Can I just do all of the given simultaneously? For maximum chances of her stopping being a bitch.I have two more questions:1) is there an estimated duration before these spells work? So I will know when to stop waiting and move on to the next option/try again (should I decide the ladder approach)2) about the St. Peter prayer, are the chances of this working affected by how much of a devout catholic one is? As I mentioned earlier I'm not really a model christian catholic anon. I very rarely go to church on sundays. Will this still work?I appreciate all the help and suggestions thus far, thank you so much.(And thanks for the additional readings regarding darker catholic spells as well -- really interesting stuff)
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>>16846144>Should I send a link to explain what those are too?Spoiler alert, youre talking to a guy who thinks medicine and physics are the same thing, and just keeps saying "epistemology" when you attempt to correct him. It was a funny thread.
Will you guys please give me a ritual with guaranteed noticeable effectsAnything, minor change in state of consciousness even
>>16846186Yeah. In all the time I've known him all I can say about his intellect and grasp of facts is he knows less than nothing and confuses that with hidden truth no one else knows. Thinking that his opinion is derided for being unpopular ( and of course popularity of an idea has nothing to do with whether it's true ) when really it's because 90% of the time it's just factually wrong and proveably so. But he's using his own set of " facts " in place of the real facts. However in all fairness>>16846158I looked up storage capacity and its effect on the human memory and it's unproven either way. So you may be right, but only because it's still being studied and the scientific consensus is they don't know and there I evidence this may or may not be true. It doesn't prove you right but it doesn't prove me right either despite thinking it was proven.As for the Oxford Dictionary it's only listing part of the definition and even if I were using the wrong term it was a flaw in how I explained my point, not a flaw in the point itself.Even a stopped clock is right twice a day and I can admit when I was wrong about something. You should try it sometime. It's a mark of integrity, not weakness
>this threadHoly dog shit.Okay, so here's the truths I have discovered put as concisely as I can:The Occult is romantic to those who feel they lack affect. You are always performing "magic" whenever you put forth will. The rituals are a machine designed to solidify your will into actual effect.Magic becomes dangerous only when it is wielded without a stable mind. The problem of "unbegun" diving headfirst into magic is that it opens you up to elementals who feed on you and your weaknesses.Those of you who haven't been initiated by a "legitimate" Occult order with all the bells and whistles that are included (protection, guidance, someone that might kick you out when they realize that you're only in it to feel less powerless, etc.) means that you've essentially made yourself visible to the husks that will undoubtedly be huddling around you for warmth and sucking you dry. These same creatures tend to weaken and unground you.If you have become this centered, if you wake up unrested and feel drained after sleeping through the whole night, if others have been responding to you more negatively than they had before, you might have something along for the ride.Be careful.
>>16846214>started out great>devolved into nonsenseAs an incarnated being with your own Body and Spirit this is literally no entity/"something along for the ride" that has real power over you.They are leeches. They will take anything you give them, positive or negative.Do not "be careful". Laugh in their faces. "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." It should only take a few (mature/adult) encounters with these things to realize they're a negative influence.This is why people laugh at the occult. Stop being a pansy.
>>16846214As a teacher and student of the occult I agree. Especially on the grounds that one of the first things one should before any other rites is Magickal Self Defense in various forms ( wards, talismans, Magick circles, banishing, even exorcism in case things get that dangerous ).It's why they are the first things learned every curriculum before the other rituals ( besides just theory ).
>>16846228You sound ego driven. Yes, your higher self (or spirit) is all powerful. Your mind, ego, and body are not. Your ego is what is in control for the most part. And it can be hijacked.Hubris can disconnect you from your spirit.Like I said, be careful.
>>16846243I agree, except that I have observed through direct experience that entities of all kinds only "manifest" and affect you if you let them. Some people "sell their soul to a demon" others are being "hunted by astral parasites" and others still "summon the oversight of the Archangel Michael", whatever, it's all the same thing."Every man and every woman is a Star."We are each, alone, more powerful than these entities. If you can't do the things the entities help you with, that's your problem, and you should work on it -- ALONE.
>>16846214I think I have one of those things along for the rideHow can I make sure and or get rid of it?
>>16846299What makes you think you do?
>>168462991. Get into the Astral and declare your sovereignty. Find them and make it clear that you will not be fed on.2. Ascertain what sorts of emotional/psychic energy the elemental feeds on. Look at your life since things have gotten worse. What sorts of negative thoughts and feelings invade your mind? Find them, root them out, and poison the well with the opposite. (This one is my least recommended)3. Find a REAL spiritual guide in this realm. Don't look in the Astral. Ascended masters tend to be very powerful elementals and you'll just end up trading the devil you know for the devil you don't. I personally recommend theosophy if you're short on time. They tend to be fairly legit (sometimes). Once you find a support system, they should help you rid yourself of the intruder(s).4. Stop your magical practice and follow step three. Get cleared and focus on meditating. Just take a break and regain your strength before you try again.5. If you have a powerful aura and are advanced in your practice you could try using a magical system for protection. Banishing comes to my mind. Be careful about calling on deities for help. This is the fight fire with fire method, so I recommend using your own ability, if practical.Finally, be mindful of tricks. If you pray to YHWH or another established God, you may have instant relief, but in my experience they always come back. I always assumed they do this to lure you back into whatever you did in the first place to draw their attention.Good luck and be safe.
>>16838085Phrasing is where you find the soul.You speak of uniting mind and body. You are aware there are multiple aspects of you. The word soul has been so heavily distorted over time...it just means consciousness. Your consciousness persists eternally. Hows that phrase go - you don't have have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body. Looking for the soul is like looking for your glasses while you're wearing them
>>16846343>all this bullshit>>16846345>You speak of uniting mind and body.No, I don't. I speak of harmonizing the dissonance between the body and its self-image.>You are aware there are multiple aspects of you.Depends entirely on where you draw the line for the definition of "aspect".>The word soul has been so heavily distorted over time...it just means consciousness.Except it doesn't. At BEST, it means "memory". Giordano Bruno, friend.>Your consciousness persists eternally.No, it doesn't. There's a reason one can be "unconscious".>Hows that phrase go - you don't have have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body.Which is bullshit, because you ARE the body.>Looking for the soul is like looking for your glasses while you're wearing themkekYou're confused.
>>16846353You are never "unconscious". Where did you learn these things? Is it just from personal experience? I am curious.
>>16846353"Are you the software or the hardware?"I like you, why does Jake bitch about you so much?
>>16846359Really?? Most people are "unconscious". They lack mindful awareness; they act out of emotion, ego; they spend their lives always the victim, "always the bridesmaid and never the bride", never taking control of their Wills.
>>16846359>You are never "unconscious".Then obviously there is no such thing as being "knocked out", "comatose", "catatonic", right?RIGHT?>>16846360>"Are you the software or the hardware?"You're the wetware. Even in computers, there is no "software". Bits shifting around are physical, it's electricity. It's just hardware that dynamically changes.>I like you, why does Jake bitch about you so much?Because he has no claim to lineage in the A.'.A.'., and he doesn't understand that it means he can't do certain things. >>16846369The concept of "will" is kinda inherently devoid of meaning.
>>16846370>You're the wetware. Even in computers, there is no "software". Bits shifting around are physical, it's electricity. It's just hardware that dynamically changes.I like to think of it as >body = hardware>mind = software>spirit = bugs, the ghost in the machineThe quote/question is fun because it makes you realize you are neither, and reach elsewhere.>he can't do certain thingsExamples?>Will is inherently devoid of meaningCould you expand on that? I use "Will" to refer to the connection between conscious/subconscious and the building of your percieved reality, as well as of course intent/willpower
>>16846370>>16846369Your spirit doesn't have an off switch.You are comprised of three aspects: mind, body, and spirit. Your mind can be shut down. That includes your memories and ego or "sense of self". Your actual consciousness or being, is always active.It's interesting that this concept is so alien to some of you. You do realize that the great work of many Occultists is to purify the mind so that the spirit will maintain elements of ego after death, correct?Did you think there was no separation? What system of Occultism do you use? I feel like it's strange to explain such a fundamental teaching to those who should have heard of it, at least in passing, before.
>>16846353Unconsciousness is an undulations of consciousness. It is not the destruction of consciousness. Death is a larger undulation. You still come back. Just as somebody different. You perceive and as such can never perceive non-consciousness. Not even when you sleep, aside from dreams, which is a form of consciousness.You seem like the kind of guy who enjoys using semantics to be as difficult as possible, even changing your own to suit the conversation as it progresses. I am in favor of skepticism and finding core definitions, but when I see someone trying so hard to be difficult I just let them do their thing. Have fun getting fed by other people.>inb4 hurr won't discourse with someone changing their own definitions, admits defeat hurr
>>16846390>You do realize that the great work of many Occultists is to purify the mind so that the spirit will maintain elements of ego after death, correct?Um, kind of. I describe it as "forming a cohesive soul"... Everyone has the stuff to do it but few finish the task. If you do, you get a "cheat code" and get to come back or persist, whatever you are capable of doing.This is where entities called "ghosts" often come from, people doing a shit job at leaving themselves behind.>Did you think there was no separation? Definitely not, but soul != consciousness != spirit>What system of Occultism do you use?N/A, self taught through observation and extremely minimal reading
>>16846388>Examples?Represent the A.'.A.'. within a lineage. He can rep it in the inner, however he has no papers to rep it in the outer.>I use "Will" to refer to the connection between conscious/subconscious and the building of your percieved reality, as well as of course intent/willpowerSo you're using "Will" to represent everything. Which is inherently useless, since we have more precise words for that function.I assume there is no "willpower" or "will" at all. Instead treating consciousness as a process of recursive self-referential abstraction. In that context, it's not willpower that matters, but the automatic, unconscious behaviors that we exhibit in our daily lives. There are no shortcuts.>>16846390>Your actual consciousness or being, is always active.Fallacy. You can't equate consciousness with being. And actually, "being" is passive. Consider a stone.You also didn't explain what "spirit" is within the context of your post. Please do, since I can't seem to wrap my head around what you're saying.>Did you think there was no separation?There is none. >What system of Occultism do you use?Physics. Until you can demonstrate there is something akin to "spirit", your claims are at least incredible, and at worst deluded.
>>16846394>Unconsciousness is an undulations of consciousness.I don't think so, Tim.http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/undulate>It is not the destruction of consciousness.You can't destroy something which doesn't actually exist. A process can, however, end, whilst still it's concept remains within the memory as a pattern, an abstraction.>Death is a larger undulation.Of? >You still come back. Just as somebody different.Well, no. at that point, it's not "you", because "you" is gone the moment your body decays enough to cease holding information about the sum total of what constituted "you".>You perceive and as such can never perceive non-consciousness."You" doesn't exist. Therefore "you" can't perceive. This is even more the case when "you" are "dead".>Not even when you sleep, aside from dreams, which is a form of consciousness.If sleep is a form of consciousness, why aren't "I" conscious of sleeping?
I have been experimenting a lot with visualisations(imagining) and dancing. I'd put on some didgeridoo music, sway to the music abit, then imagine green roots coming from the earth up into my feet (then i'd 'feel' the energy come up through my feet), still dancing at this point stomping my feet around, i'd then imagine white light from the universe enter through my head- whilst this is being imagined, i'd swirl the white light round with my physical hands as to flow with the music also. Then I would go onto creating big orbs of energy with imagination and surrounding this imaginary ball with my physical hands I'd inflate them and spread them through out my bedroomAfterwards I will feel very tingly, extremely joyful and just abundance of everything I guess, very euphoricDoes anyone know what I'm actually doing here? If this is a known practise?
>>16846432>In that context, it's not willpower that matters, but the automatic, unconscious behaviors that we exhibit in our daily lives. I think apathy/depression drives this point home.... Willpower IS the automatic, unconscious behavior patterns. That little switch in your brain between "smoker trying to quit" and "ex-smoker", between "I can't face the world today, I'm hitting snooze again" and "I can make it through every small step until it's time to rest again, let's do this", THAT is Will.
>>16846450http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos065.htm
>>16846432Occult science =\= secular science.That is not to say science is wrong. It isn't. The scientific method is fantastic in the "real" 3 dimensional world we interact and live in.However, I cannot "demonstrate" a spirit. We are using different systems. The only person who can really demonstrate a spirit to you is yourself. Unless of course you've disconnected yourself from your spirit completely.A spirit is you. Or put more precisely, it is the you you are without ego, or thoughts. Or a body, for that matter. It is the quintessence. A shard of all. Essentially a permanent state of I am, without the thought.Though I admit this description is lacking.
>>16846454thankyounow to figure which of the 5 i've been dabbling in to then look furtherif you would like a tarot reading in exchange for your help, skype is light-bringer432happy to help
>>16846470No thanks, I do my own readings. Good luck!
>>16846452Sure, if you put it like that, yeah.>>16846468Science =/= Physics.What is physics?It's the study of Nature (Physis).Beyond that, you're clearly living in lala-land, so I'll just leave you to it.
>>16846499Never forget we still don't know the Universal Theory. We do not know why the most basic forces of the Universe happen, they just Are.
>>16846499Physics is a part of science. You seem a tad arrogant. I have a feeling you're pursuing nuclear medicine? Am I correct?
>>16846512That's why we study them.>>16846514Physics (post-Royal Society) is a subset of Science from a mechanistic point of view.Physics (etymologically) is the general study of Nature, not limited to the above, but also including Natural Philosophy. The latter definition being the correct one to apply in this context.http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/physics
>>16846514You're never going to get through to him.As noted above, he thinks that medicine and physics are the same as well.At least he has finally learned the difference between etymology and epistemology... even though he is still using "etymology" incorrectly.
>>16846533I'd wager you employ the scientific method, or at least value it highly.We are arguing semantics.We view the world differently.I assume you take a rationalist perspective of the world. Maybe you're here on this board to amuse yourself at all the fools who, in your mind, have deluded themselves with nonsense like tulpas and slenderman. I get that.I'm here to experience other view points on the Occult.And every once in a great while I stumble onto something interesting enough that I investigate it for myself. My criteria for reality is based, where the Occult is concerned, on my personal experiences. But it is Occulted, mainly because Occult knowledge does not meet the criterion to be acknowledged as real by rationalists, and for good reason. The parts of the Occult relating the workings of the human mind and inner experience can only be experienced personally.As within, so without.Or, in your words, in "la la land".
>>16846579>I'd wager you employ the scientific method, or at least value it highly.Not really. I mean, the method in general? Sure. Am I accurate? Probably not, beyond recording what I experience and then attempting to draw from that.>The parts of the Occult relating the workings of the human mind and inner experience can only be experienced personally.Sure. But they can be actually studied (and have been) for ages.That's the important part.
>>16846533>but also including Natural Philosophy.So literally physics and every other natural science?
>>16846592Pre-Royal Society, sure.I haven't seen any scientists actually answer the question "why we're here" yet, and I have seen only few ask that question.
>>16846585Notably by Jung (an Occultist), Nietzsche (an Occultist) , and Freud (an Occultist).I wonder why that is?
>>16846602Nietzsche and Freud were occultists? I'll need some citation on that.I was thinking more along the lines of Bateson, McKenna, Grinder, Barabasz, Estabrooks, Cameron, etc.
>>16846615>You could literally just do a simple Google search if you are interested.Here's an example of Freud arguing for and against some Occult ideas: http://www.gradesaver.com/introductory-lectures-on-psychoanalysis/study-guide/summary-dreams-and-occultismNietzsche: https://books.google.com/books?id=BomwCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=nietzsche+and+the+occult&source=bl&ots=IHj683d-LO&sig=M_CwPLSnzq2GowYhK4UoSArEdBU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CAkQ6AEwADgKahUKEwjghI2D6cTIAhWBN4gKHe5WDQU#v=onepage&q=nietzsche%20and%20the%20occult&f=false
>>16846665Skimmed. A bit interesting, though doesn't seem to have been very significant in their end-day approaches to their work.
>>16846599Why are you so hung up on the Royal Society? They only publish 11 journals, which are of outstanding quality.
>>16846615I wish I had time to get better sources. But if you maintain interest, you should look into exactly how many of those names are connected to the Occult or were Occultists themselves. You might be surprised.
>>16846704The 1800's are when physics appears to have lost all interest in the question "why".That's because of the Royal Society.Once a scientist can answer "the universe exists because of X or Y", I'll be absolutely happy to listen. So far, science doesn't provide meaning. It provides information and tools, but not meaning.
>>16829529definitely saw some puss there.
>>16846721>So far, science doesn't provide meaning. It provides information and tools, but not meaning.It does, actually, you just don't want to accept the results when it does.
>>16846967What purpose does our existence have, then?
>>16846971What purpose?You mean "what is the meaning of life?"It's a nonsensical question. You'll probably understand when you're older.
>>16847015I don't think it's nonsensical at all.Unless you can provide some sort of answer to these questions, religion will continue to thrive.
>>16847018It lacks any sort of meaningful context.You exist because your dad didn't pull out. What you're supposed to do now is an entirely subjective question that no religion can give you an answer to, because again, it lacks context in regards to "supposed to do".
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