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Sweden opens world's first male rape centre - A hospital in Stockholm is understood to be first in the world to set up an emergency department specifically for male rape victims. The clinic at Södersjukhuset opened on Thursday as part of a strategy to ensure "gender equal" patient care. (thelocal.se)

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[–]Jabbaland 105ポイント106ポイント  (109子コメント)

Looks at watch. Waits for feminists to say this is discriminatory and male rape is a myth

Edit: It appears they have arrived and are being downvoted into oblivion.

[–]noex1337 160ポイント161ポイント  (53子コメント)

"There are myths about masculinity that make it difficult for men who have been sexually traumatized to talk about their experiences"

Seems like feminists are in support of this

[–]HeartyGirls 134ポイント135ポイント  (42子コメント)

Feminists were originally responsible for making male rape a crime in the US. There was a time when the feminist movement was more egalitarianism and less SJWism.

[–]AG3287 204ポイント205ポイント  (12子コメント)

Actually it was feminists who spearheaded the campaign to get male rape included in FBI statistics, and that was just a couple of years ago (2011). But you didn't hear about that here on Reddit when it happened, nor have people discussed it since.

[–]noex1337 113ポイント114ポイント  (6子コメント)

People on this website don't like feminists because of some people on another website they don't even use

[–]LegendReborn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A lot of people on reddit get their information about tumblr from tumblrinaction and then act like it's a reflection of the entire user base.

[–]Piemasterjelly 43ポイント44ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not entirely true

I use Tumblr, It contains tons of kinky porn

[–]ChrisK7 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It wasn't until I started using reddit that I heard Tumblr had that reputation. I knew it mostly as a place to find cool pictures.

[–]promqueen1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

More likely due to forums got more males than females in it.

[–]critfist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you have a source?

[–]arjun10 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Any good articles on this?

[–]jakeonfiree [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Does that include males being forced to penetrate?

[–]POXA_GRONKA [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The expanded the definition so that men could be raped by other men. Men still can't be raped (legally speaking) by women in the US and nearly every western country unless penetrated

[–]Camarade_Teemo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The new Summary definition of Rape is: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

Men can be rape without being penetrated, which is not included in the definition. So it's a good change, but untill it includes rape by envelopment they are still short changing male rape victims.

[–]DunderStorm 60ポイント61ポイント  (19子コメント)

A lot of feminism still is.

However there are also a lot of people who loves to give the most extreme ones a bigger platform (mainly the anti feminists: because it is a great way to discredit the entire movement, and the media: because outrageous stuff generates a lot of clicks)

[–]delirium_red 39ポイント40ポイント  (5子コメント)

Basically the same as how MRA movement has done a lot to discredit men's rights, even though (and most feminists agree) there are valid points that need to be corrected.

[–]DunderStorm [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Very much this! One of our (as in us men) biggest problems is this god damn macho culture, which is something that some parts of the MRA is even encouraging.

[–]Extradaemon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

damn macho culture

It's a shame really, toxic masculinity is a pretty core feminist concept, but because it's feminist there are a lot of MRA followers who won't go near it.

Those guys really need to realise that they need to work together with feminist groups.

[–]DunderStorm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep very much this! We very much need a male liberation from our own toxic gender norms.

[–]Funcuz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And what have MRAs done to discredit the movement ? Seriously, I'd like to hear this.

[–]Legendhidde [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It seems that attaching a label to yourself is just a really bad idea. You're gonna get taken to an extreme whichever label you use. I'm not an MRA, nor a feminist, nor egalitarian. I am someone who is inbetween everything and likes to believe one thing and not automatically have to believe the other thing. I like to use as little labels as possible as they all come with some form of prejudice, which is just stupid. Why would you present yourself with an unnecessary label that could just be used to discredit what you say.

[–]weezer3989 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

And it's still "that time" today. Don't be fooled by the reddit gender wars or how right wing media casts feminists as feminazis.

[–]HeartyGirls [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I understand. The hivemind rarely says much worth hearing. That said, it's only 3 more syllables to call one's self egalitarian over feminist and the point is far more direct than having to split hairs over which side of the fence one is on (or straddling the fence itself).

I work in a female-dominated industry and I have had good and bad experiences, for personal anecdote. That said, I still struggle to afford my medication for chronic illness and neither camp has come to my aid so my fight is in other areas that I feel are more important to my survival directly. MRA, feminist, egalitarian, who cares.

[–]deadlast [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

"Egalitarian" is a word used by anti-feminists who unironically use "SJW" as an epithet and think that sexism is a "fixed" problem. Speaking of embarrassing associates. No thanks.

[–]HeartyGirls [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fine, pick your teams.

I'm busy over here trying to find new avenues of survival.

[–]BedriddenSam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Also egalitarian is used by people who favour equality for all people.

[–]PixelBlock [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What is this, high school?

[–]1BigUniverse [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is true, but lets not act like the Feminazis don't exist.

[–]weezer3989 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They exist, but are so irrelevant that they can be safely ignored. Same reason I'm not worried about the KKK, it certainly exists still, but who cares about them anymore?

[–]nicholasferber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Activists-join-chorus-against-gender-neutral-rape-laws/articleshow/18840879.cms

[–]SillyDodo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

arent feminists for equality of both genders?

Why are you using this term as the tumblr's sjw loud minority views it?

[–]Gunshinn 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

well, what he said is a bit misleading. He meant he is waiting for the extremist feminists, rather than just any feminist. I dont even know why they are called feminists since feminism is supposed to be about equality, but those extremists are not. Theres a pretty clear divisor between the 2 regardless of how you view the word feminism.

[–]DunderStorm 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

The thing is that there are a lot of people that want everyone to believe that all feminists are like the most extreme ones. It is a way to try to discredit the whole concept of feminism.

[–]Sgt_Slate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You don't have to spend much time on a college campus to find the loud crazy ones, and they go largely unchallenged by their peers. This reputation didn't just appear from reddit.

[–]ionised 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

True. My girlfriend (possibly ex, soon, situation's complex) and I are having a bit of a quarrel about this. My point is that a lot of current day "feminists" are really just not feminists. Feminism is a process towards societal change that equalises women with men, and it's made great strides. What this current Youtube/social media crap is doing is that they're trying to be gatekeepers to society. Up with that, I will not put.

Equality's fine, and I'll stand by it. Policing the other, I will not.

[–]Snokus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Actually its actually the group of feminists thats called "radical feminists" thats allways been on the forefront of claiming that gender roles and macho culture hurt men just as they hurt women. My gf is studying gender studies(here in sweden) right now and the idea that gender roles and unequality hurts just about every individual in some way is part of the fundamentals of gender studies.

Far from everyone is the stereotype of "feminazis" that 4chan manage to conjure from the depths of doesn't exist.

Ofcourse if you go over to /r/MRA right now then theyll be praising macho culture as something positive.

[–]bandaidrevolution [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's called feminism because we're trying to bring women up to be the equals of men, because men already HAVE THE POWER. It's not about bringing men down. Men can stay where they are, we're just trying to bring up WOMEN. If men and women had the EXACT same plight and the EXACT same disadvantages, blah blah blah, sure maybe let's call it something else. But it was born out of the idea that women don't get the same opportunities, face more sexual discrimination in the work place and at home, get paid less in many circumstances (especially women of colour), end up having to do more of the child rearing EVEN WHEN BOTH SPOUSES WORK OUTSIDE THE HOME, etc. Feminism IS about treating the sexes equal. I don't understand why people are focused on the WORD. IT MEANS WHAT YOU PURPORT TO BELIEVE IN.

[–]tomega [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

How is you for equality if you are for one gender?

[–]slipshod_alibi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you think feminism is for one gender you literally don't know the first actual fact about it.

[–]bandaidrevolution [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I have never, not once in my entire life, heard a woman say that male rape doesn't exist.

[–]tinderrock [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My ex-girlfriend did say it to my face "males can't be a raped, as you need to have a boner and you can only have that if you want it too".

Well a reason probably why she is my ex...

[–]imhereforthemeta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

All of the downvoted comments seem to be dudes who think men can't be raped, so like, literally the opposite. Can we just have one thread about gender politics where Reddit doesn't jump the gun with the evil feminist boogyman?

[–]DunderStorm 95ポイント96ポイント  (29子コメント)

It makes me so sad that so many persons have misunderstood feminism so fundamentally.

The reason the problems with male rape gets so much recognition in Sweden and that this department opens is because of feminism is so strong in our country.

[–]TsaraNoga_ [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

It's not people misunderstanding feminism. It's the idiots taking it to the extreme that have the loudest voices and get the press. The faces of feminism that most of us get exposed to on a daily basis are oppressive. I brought up a less-than-ideal sexual experience I had when I was at my undergrad institution and was basically shut down because I'm not a female.

This isn't how you breed familiarity and acceptance.

To clarify: hate is more accessible than understanding.

[–]DunderStorm [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I would say it is both. Mainstream feminism is pretty far from the extremist views that gets way to much exposure on the internet. I am not going to deny that we have some extremist idiots within feminism (we actually have quite a lot, but they are far from a majority).

However I the anti-feminists are somewhat to blame for this as well since they love to give A LOT of exposure for the most extreme nut-jobs out there. They want feminism to look as extreme as possible so they spend a lot time digging up the most hateful, paranoid, deluded idiots they can find and then try to present their view as mainstream feminism.

[–]BedriddenSam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Mainstream feminism is pretty far from the extremist views that gets way to much exposure on the internet.

I'm Canadian, feminists here will protest and shut down any centres for men.

[–]Anaraky [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

While you certainly have a point, handwaving away the ones that legit act shitty in real life by saying they aren't a majority isn't painting the movement in a great light. I'm Swedish and I've certainly met outspoken feminists that are openly sexist or dismissive towards men, to the point where I've grown an aversion to the movement.

That obviously doesn't mean that all are like that, several of my close friends are feminists. It's just when you meet one there is a gamble which type you are going to get, a gamble I usually avoid if I can. Even if it's just a minority, I still haven't met a collective that has a bigger group of people that treat me poorly because of something outside of my control then feminism. Sadly.

[–]TsaraNoga_ [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The people that you mention in your second statement aren't worthy of discussion. The issue is that the "mainstream" feminism I see on campuses is more of the all-or-nothing variety and more likely to harass you for not signing their petitions or ignoring their screaming protests than have a genuine conversation. My issue is with the presentation, not the content (most of the time).

[–]DunderStorm [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I live in Sweden and I have not been to any university in like four years, so I don't really have any experience with what you are talking about. But it seams like a terrible way to present a good idea :(

[–]TsaraNoga_ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Oh it is. These groups act more like a high school clique than a civil rights group. If you don't act exactly like them, dress like them, spam social media with their thoughts, you don't belong. That's the issue I take with it.

[–]DunderStorm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Then I wont blame you for not being able to stand them, and it is so sad that this is the first and/or strongest encounter many people seam to have with feminism.

[–]TsaraNoga_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well my mother is an old school feminist. So I grew up with a pretty solid background of not being a dick. That's part of why I hate this shit. I feel like it's people jumping on a trend instead of believing what they're saying and acting on it.

[–]FuriousDark [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I would say it is both

I would say you're wrong

[–]Snokus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Thats not true though. One of the fundamental ideas of radical feminism is that gender roles and macho culture hurt men just as women.

Please remember that stupid people =/= radical thinkers.

[–]TsaraNoga_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think we're defining radical feminism in two separate ways. I'd go as far as to say that people who can only see one side of an issue are, by definition, a little stupid.

[–]capnjack78 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

It makes me so sad that so many persons have misunderstood feminism so fundamentally.

Blame feminists. Oh wait, you can't speak out against the vocal minority of them or you'll be a pariah. Better continue on just excusing them on the internet, I suppose.

[–]DunderStorm [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

What? you know nothing about me and whom or what I speak out against. Another problem is that the anti-feminists loves to find the absolute worst among us and give them a lot of exposure, so they are, in part, guilty of helping spreading the most extreme views.

Facts still stand tough, Sweden is the first country to have this kind of facility and Sweden is also one of the most feminist countries in the world.

[–]Jalil343 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Care to weigh in on sarkesian and Quinn talking to the UN as pro-censorship? Or are those "household names" just more extremists?

[–]capnjack78 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

What? you know nothing about me and whom or what I speak out against.

I know that you're excusing feminist extremism in this thread and instead blaming the people who point it out. Are you now blaming me for assuming you're a feminist?

Another problem is that the anti-feminists loves to find the absolute worst among us and give them a lot of exposure, so they are, in part, guilty of helping spreading the most extreme views.

Every single political, religious, and otherwise ideological group is guilty of this. It is human nature. And if you're going to pretend that there's more guilt on the people exposing bad behavior and sick, twisted rhetoric instead of the ones that excuse such behavior and refuse to speak up about it for fear of being cast out, then you need to get your head checked. Feminists are far more guilty for not forcing out extremism.

Facts still stand tough, Sweden is the first country to have this kind of facility and Sweden is also one of the most feminist countries in the world.

I never once argued against this, so it's irrelevant to our current exchange.

[–]DunderStorm [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I know that you're excusing feminist extremism in this thread and instead blaming the people who point it out. Are you now blaming me for assuming you're a feminist?

Now you are putting words in my mouth. I am not and have never excused extermist feminism. I do occasionally speak out against extreme feminists and their stupid ideas.

My main goal in this thread is mainly to defend feminism and try to educate people that all feminism is not extremist feminism.

Every single political, religious, and otherwise ideological group is guilty of this. It is human nature. And if you're going to pretend that there's more guilt on the people exposing bad behavior and sick, twisted rhetoric instead of the ones that excuse such behavior and refuse to speak up about it for fear of being cast out, then you need to get your head checked. Feminists are far more guilty for not forcing out extremism.

I have replied to this in another comment thread

I never once argued against this, so it's irrelevant to our current exchange.

Is it? the comment you first replied to was me explaining that we have this kind of facility in sweden just because it is such a feminist society. If that was not the thing you tried to argue against, then why did you reply to me?

[–]capnjack78 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Now you are putting words in my mouth. I am not and have never excused extermist feminism. I do occasionally speak out against extreme feminists and their stupid ideas.

Every exchange we've had includes you taking responsibility off of feminist extremists and putting all of it on the people calling them out. That is a poor excuse, and if you're trying to defend feminism, you're not doing a good job of it. I agree with the best parts of feminism, I do not agree with the sick underbelly of it. If you want to continue putting the spotlight on anti-feminists, then I have to assume you're just lying.

Is it?

Yes. Check our comment exchange above. I even quoted you on this sentence:

It makes me so sad that so many persons have misunderstood feminism so fundamentally.

That's the discussion we're having, and we're not moving the goalposts now. It's wonderful that Sweden has a large feminist movement and was able to get a male rape clinic. Bravo. Fantastic. That doesn't change anything that we've been discussing here.

[–]DunderStorm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Every exchange we've had includes you taking responsibility off of feminist extremists and putting all of it on the people calling them out. That is a poor excuse, and if you're trying to defend feminism, you're not doing a good job of it. I agree with the best parts of feminism, I do not agree with the sick underbelly of it. If you want to continue putting the spotlight on anti-feminists, then I have to assume you're just lying.

I have never taken the responsibility of feminism itself. I have said on more then one place that yes, we need to be better at speaking out against our own wacos (and it does happen, tough it needs to happen more often).

However, part of the reason (note: I say "part of the reason", not "the entire guilt for") extremist feminism gets so much exposure is still because its opponents are exposing it so much.

[–]capnjack78 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Okay, but there's nothing wrong with exposing it. If you're not comfortable with the exposure of idiots who are vocal and taking the spotlight in your ideology, then you need to take those idiots to task, not the people who point it out. When you take away the reason for the exposure, then guess what happens???

[–]kovu159 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The fact that you need a strong feminist advocate to create a center that helps male victims is pretty depressing.

[–]assetsonassets [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is so frustrating to read. I would definitely call myself a feminist, and I came to this thread to say how amazing this is - that we need help for all victims, regardless of gender, and that this is a big step forward in reducing the stigma surrounding male rape. Instead all I see are comments talking about how mad all the feminists are, how we are all crazy man hating harpies - even though I haven't seen a single comment in this entire thread that demonstrates that attitude. How about instead of telling us all what you THINK our opinions are, you actually read what people are saying - which is that this is an overwhelmingly positive development.

This is the same as the goddamn thread about the Canadian company shipping trash to the Philippines - just because one asshole does it, that doesn't mean that all Canadians are dicks. Just because one or two vocal women refuse to acknowledge the issue of male rape, that doesn't mean all people who identify as feminists believe the same thing.

[–]huxtiblejones [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Isn't this exactly like the #notallmen argument? Feminists went berserk on men for suggesting that not every man is part of the problem, yet here you're saying exactly the same thing about feminists.

[–]earthandfire22 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

They won't, because that's you set up a strawman. It's feminists that say that rape isn't funny or something to be ashamed of.

[–]DeliciouScience [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah... I actually read through the downvotes and not one says male rape is a myth. A few ignorant people asking questions (and learning) as well as a few non-feminist idiots.

[–]Lejeune_Dirichelet 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

What you're more likely to get are men calling other men pussies for getting themselves raped

[–]beer_demon 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

How long are you going to wait for?

[–]kugelblitz527 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't know any actual feminists who believe this. There's the occasional crazy in class every now and then, but that's not the commonly held belief among feminists.

[–]hanrar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol even though it's really primarily men who push the idea that men can't be victims of rape, not women. It's men who think men are too tough to be raped.

Sure, some women might believe it, but again, it stems from the same place. And that idea is something firmly rooted in a patriarchical (I know, that stupid p word--I would say it's appropriate this time) mindset. It's an idea that men are strong and incapable of being raped by someone else.

But keep blaming feminism for all of men's issues. Just the other day, a guy in twox was asking for advice after having been raped, and he had a ton of supportive comments.

[–]ryantwopointo [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Dude, really? Obviously there are ignorant feminists, but the overall goal is gender equality. Feminists have probably done more for male rape awareness than any one. You're just trying to make feminists into bad people

[–]bandaidrevolution [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Fucking fact. They act as if the original perpetrators of "men can't get raped by women" didn't come FROM MEN THEMSELVES. I have had multiple guy friends say how men can't get raped, how all men love all sex, how when a female teacher has sex with a male student that the student is "boss" and "awesome" and "totally wanted it". This view COMES FROM MEN. And yet now we've switched where all of a sudden guys care about male rape, and they claim that the reason why it hasn't been addressed before is BECAUSE OF WOMEN? That women are this HUGE force that clearly shapes societies perceptions SO much that we managed to dupe men into believing that men couldn't be raped? Fuck off. The lack of self awareness in this thread is laughable, and fucking scary.

[–]OdiumInferno [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well somebody is angry today.

Also it doesn't really help when people like Anita and Zoe are around actually talking to people in the U.K. from the government (I don't know if it's Parliament or Congress over there).

And yes, women do shape our world, there are more women than men in this world (40%[men]-60%[women]). And they have shaped how we live in our work place, living areas, and the outside world. Without women (or any females for that matter) we wouldn't be here.

So in short, Women do shape our world and sometimes a few of them make this world even worse.

[–]DeltaBurnt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You went from rejecting the blaming of women and feminists to blaming solely men. It's a societal problem, and suggesting that either gender is at fault is asinine.

[–]huxtiblejones [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Your conclusion is based entirely off anecdotal evidence.

[–]FuriousDark [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't worry. They'll be shadowbanned.

lol jk. For some reason Reddit can only find brigading when they want to.