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SOCJUSHow SJWs operate: Entryism [SOCJUS] (self.KotakuInAction)

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I thought of you guys when I came across this little gem:

Liberal Manhattan Legislator Proposes Infiltrating the NRA With Gun Control Backers

Think of all the crying over Milo "invading" feminist "safe spaces" recently and consider the hypocrisy. This is how SJWs/radical leftists operate. If an organization doesn't server their ends they will quietly invade and corrupt it until it does. These people do not want discourse. They want control.

The only thing amazing about that article is that the person suggesting this is doing so publicly. This sort of thing is normally organized behind closed doors.

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[–]Anita360NoTrope 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

NRA+

[–]GreatRedYeti45k get! / Bakes a keen copysagna 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Guns are good, but only when women have them and men don't. /s

[–]tux333 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

"guns dont kill people, white men do!"

[–]oroboroboro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

NRA+(-R)

[–]Zero132132 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

The only thing amazing about that article is that the person suggesting this is doing so publicly. This sort of thing is normally organized behind closed doors.

Talking about doing it is probably the entire plan. They want NRA folks to start getting paranoid about new faces so that it seems more hostile to outsiders.

[–]ARealLibertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You'd think, but consider how many of AntiGamer openly brag about their plans & crimes on Twitter.

[–]RPN68 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Change one word, and you've perfectly described how Usenet used to work.

If an organization newsgroup doesn't server their ends they will quietly invade and corrupt it until it does. These people do not want discourse. They want control.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]SavageCheerleader 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's this kind of crazy that makes people wonder, how far will an ideologue go to win. As in, would they willingly commit the crime they so vehemently loathe in order to prove a point? Sadly, many think this is silly conspiratards, but the rest of the world calls it al Qaeda, ISIL, Boko Haram, etc.

See, when they blow up a market full of innocents, that is acceptable as their (the market goers) martyrdom guarantees a quick entry into heaven. People can and will do horrible shit just to say, I was right.

[–]Vordrak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. They even infiltrate each other. Years ago before I was a Conservative I was in UK Labour (Tony Blair's party). That was a 'socialist' party but some hard leftists from a group called, 'militant' tried to infiltrate. They felt the Party was too right wing.

[–]ClockworkFool 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The funny thing is, I could see there being a good case for a pro gun but also strongly pro gun control organisation. A group like that could possibly do some good.

Just that it would make more sense to me to simply start one and grow it honestly, because the key to having any kind of real impact would be sincerity. If the group acted with integrity, moving towards positive goals and following genuine ideals it could do a lot and maybe one day be a useful counterbalance to the NRA (For the sake of argument I'm ignoring the question of whether or not that is needed).

Long term, weaselly attempts to subvert organisations like this, taken as a hostile and reactionary plot just don't feel like they will work out. Either the will be unsuccessful or the inevitable backlash will cause more harm than keeping your nose out ever did.

[–]mcantrell 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the GOP does it too -- there's that charity about breast cancer that went after Planned Parenthood after a conservative got in as an executive. It's just that the SJWs tend to aim for gatekeeping roles, and the GOP tends to aim for administrative roles.

Horseshoe Theory?

[–]Anadis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

SJW infiltration only works against people leaning left-wing. This is also why Gamergate got co-opted by SJWs.

[–]MagosBiologis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (24子コメント)

Eh, what's wrong with infiltrating? After all the shit I hear about SJWs here, I've joined an SJW-ish group at my university to see if the allegations were accurate. Turns out they're not evil cults bent on world domination, they're merely misguided people. As long as the infiltrator is neither capable nor willing to do something horribly violent (e.g. a suicide bomber), it helps reduce misconceptions and promotes an exchange of ideas, which benefits everyone.

[–]Anadis 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Turns out they're not evil cults bent on world domination, they're merely misguided people.

Meh same thing.

[–]MagosBiologis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Incorrect. Assuming bad faith makes it harder to understand, negotiate and ultimately persuade.

It's efficient to have your enemies fall before you. It's more efficient to turn them around and have them marching with you.

[–]TheRufinator 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't call that infiltrating. That's just trying to learn. Now if you and a bunch of friends joined and tried to either take over or even just disrupt the meetings, that would be infiltration.

[–]slimthigh 2ポイント3ポイント  (19子コメント)

what's wrong with infiltrating

Everything. If you detect an infiltrator operating in clandestine manner, you isolate and eject them. In wartime setting you execute them.

[–]MagosBiologis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (18子コメント)

But this isn't war lol, and a bunch of social activists can't harm me. Anyway, I'm born with the right skin colour to resist any attempts at ejection.

[–]ARealLibertarian 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Anyway, I'm born with the right skin colour to resist any attempts at ejection.

You have no clue how bad these people react to minorities that disagree with them do you.

[–]MagosBiologis -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

As I said, they're not the evil cultists you imagine, they're merely misguided youngsters.

[–]ARealLibertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you think the average Nazi death camp guard was "Ha! Ha! I do evil things because I am evil!"?

No, they thought they were doing the right thing.

Never underestimate the ability of good intentions to lead straight to hell.

[–]MagosBiologis 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I know, but a key difference is that the Nazis were dangerously competent... These people don't have any military/money/other forms of power capable of harming me.

[–]ARealLibertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Nazis were actually highly incompetent.

Their manufacturing was built for small numbers of more advanced tanks (that all had slightly different parts) while the Soviet Union & America could pump out 1000s/Month, their bureaucracy was a mess due the "survival of the strongest" ideology causing infighting & redundancy (they had 3 secret polices forces, all fighting each other almost as much as they did the Allies), and their military was subordinated to Hitler's incompetence (he ordered the army to stop attacking Dunkirk until the Allies evacuated to Britain, he ordered Operation Barbarossa to go ahead without winter equipment, he ordered the 6th Army to not attempt a breakout at Stalingrad resulting in their complete destruction, it wasn't until after Stalingrad that Germany mobilized for total war, he shoved massive amounts of resources into powerful weapons that were too expensive and had massive flaws, etc etc.)

Their problems were obvious back in the 30s, which was a big reason they weren't taken seriously.

I remember that warning from the past.

[–]MagosBiologis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Nazis were incompetent compared to their contemporary opponents. I think they were a tad more competent and powerful than a bunch of undergrads meeting once a month.

[–]ARealLibertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, just don't underestimate them.

A retard with a gun might be retarded, but they still have a gun.

[–]slimthigh 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

It is a culture war. Don't forget your enemy would love nothing short of taking your voice away, throwing you in jail and throwing away the key.

People have fought and died for the right to speak their mind.

[–]MagosBiologis 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

You assume too much. I'm not American; I'm not even Western. This culture war is an interesting foreign oddity to me at the moment. SJW-style censoriousness doesn't seem to have any hold in my homeland, and as long as my compatriots generally think of SJWs as a bunch of jokes I'm safe.

Yes, they have fought and died in faraway battlefields, condolences. I'll remember them but have no desire to emulate them. I'll not get involved in a war unless it looks like it's coming to me.

[–]Mashiki 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

This culture war is an interesting foreign oddity to me at the moment. SJW-style censoriousness doesn't seem to have any hold in my homeland, and as long as my compatriots generally think of SJWs as a bunch of jokes I'm safe.

People said the same thing about the politically correct culture that started up in the 80's then through the 90's was ingrained into an entire generation of kids from K though 12. Those parents who bought into the PC culture in the late 80's and 90's, had their own kids in the last ~15-20 years as well. Those parents are affectionately known as helicopter parents, those helicopter parents were also the same ones in the 90's that were pushing the "games make you a murder" "music influences the mind and makes you a satan worshiper" and so on. Those kids if you're wondering, are mainly today's SJW's who want to control the stuff you're enjoying, and tell you what kind of speech is acceptable.

[–]MagosBiologis 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

To quote a great leader I admire, "I always tried to be correct, not politically correct"

[–]Mashiki 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

People have said that as well, doesn't always hold up especially when people are publicly shamed for being correct instead of being politically correct.

[–]MagosBiologis 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Public 'shaming' is mere words. As long as there's no physical threat to you, why care about it? Nasty words aren't violence.

[–]Mashiki 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's easy, you can just look back across things here on KiA and see past instances where pro-GG devs/writers/e-celebs have spoken out, and then people were trying to contact their employers to get them fired.

Public shaming in action right?

[–]gyrobot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dont ever promote the sjw on kia.