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Poll"CNN deleted their poll, which Sanders was leading by upwards of 80%. On site this morning." - @limjucas (twitter.com)

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[–]wordwordwordwordwordTexas [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

The takeway here is this:

Regardless of who did better in the eyes of those of us who watched the debate, thanks to mainstream media reporting on the debate, Clinton will be viewed as the overwhelming winner amongst people who didn't watch the debate.

[–]my_cat_smells [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

It's terrifying knowing that corporations like Time Warner (owner of CNN) can essentially skew/sensor/filter and/or manipulate the news to influence people's opinions.

As someone said above, Time Warner is a contributor to Hilary's Campaign.

[–]Cgn38 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Somebody somewhere is giving orders for this shit. I worked in TV news for over a decade. Making shit like this happen requires real continuous effort from the execs, they have to get truly supplicant producers who will turn on them in a nanosecond.

Give us a name, who is changing the news at the order of whom, and we burn them. It is that simple.

[–]green_euphoriaNew York [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Be careful. No witch hunting through reddit. I'm all for causing an uproar, but we must obey the rules while we are here and not tarnish the name of this community that has done so much good.

[–]Croyd_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you want to Bern them, you know what to do.

[–]Minimumwageengineer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Literally, I hope.

[–]gruntznclickz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you smell the Freedom®?

[–]wordwordwordwordwordTexas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sure this is a factor, but it's the majority of the mainstream media, not just CNN.

[–]ProdigalSheep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They completely control the narrative. It's absolutely disgusting.

[–]Futurecat3001 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

... and now you know why Fox News was created.

[–]teaearlgraycold [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Would it be a good idea to have public debates? (Paid for by the government, hosted by the government)

That might prevent stuff like this.

[–]CuddleBumpkins [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Still wont matter if people turn on CNN to find out who won...

[–]cmac2992 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd imagine the influence of the mainstream media is less than any point in history because of the internet. That's probably a good thing.

[–]_Particle_Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And that's why this campaign for Sanders HAS to be unprecedented. We need to throw away the old media and establish a new paradigm that's populist focused.

[–]notoriousFIL [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It doesn't matter, it's not going to work.

[–]wordwordwordwordwordTexas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You may be right :)

This may be the first election where the mainstream media is actually unable to control the narrative.

I'm a little skeptical, but hopeful.

[–]Apple_Junkie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Which is ironic. This is what this campaign is all about.

[–]testiclelice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I know it's not popular to say, but I expected Sanders to perform much better against Clinton. I'm sure the online communities are pushing hard for Sanders, but I doubt the online polls are an accurate reflection.

If you are a Sanders supporter, this wasn't a decisive win. This was a great opportunity to get people who've never seen him to start developing opinions.

[–]NaptownSwagger [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You know what? That's fine. Let them build Hillary up as the inevitable nominee, let them build her up as the undisputed front runner. Bernie is still ahead in Iowa and New Hampshire, and if it looks like an underdog win all the better for Bernie.

edit: /u/case-o-nuts is right, the Iowa polls aren't as favorable as I thought

[–]case-o-nuts [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

ahead in Iowa

the 2 polls that showed that seem to have been outliers.

[–]Nitroxium [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That has yet to be proven. There are two legitimate polls that contradict those polls, one of which I'm sure didn't concentrate solely on caucusgoers. So we have yet to see which is the true outlier.

[–]wordwordwordwordwordTexas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think enough former undecideds/Clinton supporters watched the debate that Bernie will gain a few points in the polls regardless of the media spin.

Also, the people who will buy the media's spin are mostly people who already supported Clinton

[–]je_kay24 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yup was watching CNN this morning about fact checking the debate. They clearly labeled as Bernie being wrong on facts and Hilary being right.

[–]MrKrazybones [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I loved how immediately after the debate everyone was like "Hillary won, she did everything right" but an hour after, you'd hear people bring up how she bounced around topics, changed her views to better fit democratic agenda, and used her gender to answer questions. After that I went to bed so idk what else changed.

[–]TenAC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Exactly. These polls are skewed anyway due to people voting typically are motivated to vote... not just the general and more 'casual' public.

[–]thriftyaf[S] 261ポイント262ポイント  (45子コメント)

Meanwhile nearly every other poll online shows Bernie winning by a landslide

[–]Skizm [スコア非表示]  (33子コメント)

The internet population over-represents the younger crowd. The actual voters over-represent the older crowd. Internet polls are interesting but definitely not indicative of the actual numbers.

That said, CNN are obviously scumbags for removing a poll because it didn't turn out the way they wanted.

[–]bingaman [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Actual voters, historically speaking. I think we're all working for a historic turnout of younger voters in the primaries.

[–]NaptownSwagger [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Seriously, people keep saying that "young people" don't turn out to vote, but how often does that group donate to a campaign the way they have for Bernie? I'd say there's already been a historic shift in participation this campaign, why would that change for the election?

[–]PhysicsFornicator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you look at the electoral college maps from '08 and '12, removing the 18-25 demographic put the Republicans ahead by a landslide. People keep discounting the "youth" votes because they don't view college students as adults, and they want to see themselves as authorities on important issues that the "youth" "wouldn't understand".

[–]case-o-nuts [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Let's not bank on it.

[–]NaptownSwagger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh absolutely, there's a lot of hard work ahead and we need to keep our eyes on the ball. I just think the level of participation so far is a good sign.

[–]What_Is_The_MeaningKansas [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

This is slowly changing over time as more and more people use the internet. At some point the internet becomes an absolute representation of the public. Not there yet, but it becomes more and more accurate over time.

[–]MacAdler [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Digital democracy? Where those who can't vote influence the elections of another country.

I think that some people don't realize that in a lot of these internet polls, there are a group of people who's not American and yet they participate in those polls. May it be because they understand how international politics work, or because they just like a candidate. But it can not be denied that it has an influence in the perception of popularity of certain candidates.

[–]dockersshoes [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

That's true. I voted and I'm in Argentina.

Granted, I'm from the U.S. so I had a personal interest.

[–]Tiago92 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I feel like everyone everywhere has personal interest in the election of the executive power in the worlds most powerful nation, whether they realize it or not.

[–]RedStag86 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Except for average Americans.

[–]aStarving0rphanNorth Carolina [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I watched it with some Teamspeak buddies last night, 2 of the 6 were Canadians. They said they were watching cause the election effects them a good amount

[–]jojjeshruk [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Polls like these probably require a vpn if you want to vote in them from abroad

[–]MacAdler [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In my experience they don't, but I didn't vote on this one so maybe they've changed it.

[–]epiphanotOregon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Digital democracy? Where those who can't vote influence the electrons of another country.

ftfy

[–]MarcusCatoMinor [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The internet as a whole? Maybe.

CNN.com? Never.

[–]Mayor_of_tittycity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Self selection bias is a real thing and internet polls will never overcome that. Polls like those on news sites are about as elegenant in their scientific process as a rock.

[–]somekindofhat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right, there's not a huge disparity by age until you get to the over 65 group.

[–]menuka [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That doesn't change the fact that internet polls can easily be manipulated.

[–]midnitewarrior [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Drudge Report, whose readers lean very conservative, also had Bernie winning at 54% to Hillary's 9%. Webb got 25% from their readers. Bernie appears to be connecting with "regular" people, conservative and liberal.

Drudge Poll Result

[–]thriftyaf[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I did see several polls broken down by age with similar favor to Bernie. Still it's the internet, so take that for what it is.

[–]StuffitExpander [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So don't newspaper polls over-represent the older generation?

[–]Skizm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably. Why is why they are a better indicator of the actual voters.

[–]bubblerboy18 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree with you. But why the hell do they even put a poll then? It also shows more sanders supporters were on or use the Internet.

[–]Imonaeatyobabies [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not just that he won the polls, but by such a huge margin.

[–]mandy009Minnesota [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Which is why I find it strange that Facebook co-hosted! Maybe they should have thought of that caveat before if they wanted the debate to skew towards establishment voters?!?!? They should know their flippin audience!

[–]unclewaltsband [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But how did they come to the idea that Hillary won? I don't see any polls in their article. They just decided it for everyone. If the internet poll is is biased, then CNN is extremely biased because that decision was made by probably one or two people. I'd like to see a scientific poll. Hopefully one will come out soon.

[–]lennybird [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree completely. Any such non-scientific poll is mere fluff and shouldn't have been posted in the first place. Obviously it over-represents the youth and under-represents older ages; that should've been expected. Which is why they shouldn't have done such a poll in the first place unless they were willing to accept this from the start.

Or, you know, do your work and perform an actual scientific poll with proper random sampling.

[–]aznpersonNew York - Private - TeamBernieNY.org [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

over 80% is still a very large margin

[–]foobar5678 [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

YouGov has Hilary winning

http://i.imgur.com/Ndparck.png

https://today.yougov.com/#/

[–]green_euphoriaNew York [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

That poll raises some red flags. I just voted, then afterwards it asked "what issues would you like to see next" followed by a list of the most nonsensical "issues" I've ever seen. Including (in their exact phrasing):

-Bill Cosby
-MH17.
-issues.
-politics.
-life.
-outside of work.
-early release.

Seriously? What does that even mean? The next issue should be "issues" or "politics" or "Bill Cosby"... Really?

[–]TheTurtleBearBernie Squad - Cadet [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I don't think that's a continuation of the debate poll, I think that simply asks which topic you'd like to take part in next

[–]green_euphoriaNew York [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Possible, but it doesn't let you type your own answer, so where the hell did they get that list?

[–]green_euphoriaNew York [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Also it must be an extremely small sample size because now it has Bernie tied, by the time you look at it again, he will be winning.

Edit: he's winning now, and it lets you vote repeatedly :/

[–]foobar5678 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's a British website and they tend to be fairly accurate when it comes to British politics and culture. I don't think they care as much about the US site.

[–]b4gelbites_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Then when you click "politics" you can vote on the debate poll again.

[–]thriftyaf[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

nearly every other poll

[–]XxSCRAPOxX [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We can probably fix that....

[–]eaglessoarMassachusetts[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bernie and Clinton are tied at the time of this comment

[–]fork_yuu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

For now...

[–]Blackrobe07Massachusetts [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

It looks like the facebook poll remains on their FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039

[–]EltonJuan [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

Does it load for anyone else? It just looks blank for me even though it says the page is displayed.

[–]CarrollQuigley [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

It works for me.

For you and anyone else who can't see it, the numbers currently are:

Bernie Sanders: 81%

Hillary Clinton: 13%

Martin O'Malley: 3%

Jim Webb: 2%

Lincoln Chafee: 1%

[–]redbaron1019 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Who the hell is voting for Chafee?

[–]turnondruid [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Chafee

[–]EphemerisNew Jersey - Bernie Squad - Cadet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well the difference between him and Bernie is almost 90-1

[–]CrazyRusFWMichigan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Friends/family and fellow pieces of granite :)

[–]bluedays [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

My vote is for WEBB. Did you see that smile after he said he killed someone? Charming!

[–]OutInTheBlack [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Much respect to Webb for his service to this nation, but the dude seemed like he was having flashbacks to the jungle half the time the camera was on him.

"Who is the political enemy you've made that you're most proud of?"

"The Viet-fucking-Cong!"

[–]bubblerboy18 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was my first internet vote give me a break!

[–]willee_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He really did seem like a nice man, he was just out of his realm last night. I am sure the people that he has served in the past like him.

[–]Alithographica [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

His dog, probably.

[–]lthawkeye [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Happened to me when I had adblock on. When I turned it off I was able to see it just fine.

[–]imonk [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Use IE or Edge. Don't use Chrome.

[–]snakespmLouisiana [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm using chrome, it loads fine for me.

[–]drdawwg [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It was working just fine earlier, funny how it only stopped working by browsers people like.. Use.

[–]YonansUmo[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I like Hilary Clinton for the same reason I like IE, they both may be utter garbage but theyre familiar and thats what matters!

[–]drdawwg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow haha. Nice, that's actually pretty apt. I'm going to remember that one.

[–]cookiemonager [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I just checked and it said the page is not found. Fuck the manipulation. Someone is getting rich from shit like this while the rest of us can't pay our rent

[–]jeepCK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is what I got when went to CNN's Facebook Poll (it's closed, too).

Sanders won 81%.

[–]CarrollQuigley [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Time to invoke the Streisand Effect.

[–]TD-Eagles [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That would explain why I didn't see a poll on there. You know what I did see? Hilary all over the fucking place.

[–]OutInTheBlack [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They had a huge headline declaring Clinton the winner of the debate about ten seconds after it ended

[–]smerfyliciousWashington - Bernie Squad - Private [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I, for one, am SHOCKED that CNN would do something like delete a poll that they held that went against their own narrative so heavily.

This might be me talking crazy, but could our media possibly be corrupt and/or bias? I know it sounds like conspiracy talk, but this is just so out of character from the norm that I have to think it may have some credence.

my sarcasm detector broke

[–]IDoNotAgreeWithYou [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

People should just tweet CNN with photos of the poll asking why they got rid of it.

[–]Pokecamo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This would be the first thing that gives me a reason to make a twitter account. I'm all for the masses flooding CNN's twitter calling them out on their blatant bias.

[–]Reddit_User_Friend [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've posted this video to this subreddit recently. I want to post it here for the people that are scratching their heads saying, "really? is the media really trying to control the narrative or is this tinfoil hat talk?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG5sxPbqZjQ&feature=youtu.be

Please watch and share! It has interesting clips of Bernie and Chomsky and shows how the media can still control stories in an open society that has freedom of speech.

[–]AadeeMoien [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What else do you expect from the Clinton News Network?

[–]kevinsucks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No no no, the Tea Party told me in 2012 it's Communist News Network. Get it right.

[–]perogies [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Every single person who has a twitter account on here should call them out on that. Get something trending.

[–]Mamemoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Clinton triumphs in Demoncrat debate as rivals compete to lose.

[–]blaaaahhhhh [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

This was going to happen with CNN having so much invested in Hilary.

They will push for the next 2 weeks about how Hilary won and they will slowly fade out the pro Berne material, such as the poll.

What needs to be done by the people is to collect all that material as comes and keep it fresh by repost so it doesn't fade out.

Screenshots, and the like, of things like that poll should be constantly circulating the Internet. If all it does is show how disgraceful CNN have been, that would be a positive step.

As much as the campaign is funded by money by the people, it needs the people to help in its media coverage... screen grab, video edit and record everything possible to create our own media to counter the very broken CNN and other news corporations.

[–]kurt1004 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Unless Fox picks this up and runs with it to try to destroy Hillary. That would be amusing..

[–]Siouxsie871 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I find it disheartening that the article at the other end of the link shows Clinton as the winner, Sanders as "Unclear" and the rest as Losers, after I've seen the 80-13 something split in the poll.

[–]PM_ME_Y0UR_TITS_GURL [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They can't have this ruining their narrative.

[–]HypersapienMaryland [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm surprised they didn't just fake the results.

[–]beall49 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well in their defense, they have to protect their investment right?

[–]uvafan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Clinton Nomination Network

[–]c0smic_0wl [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They did they same thing to Ron Paul. At least this debate was fair, with hard questions and equal time for candidates. I'm pleasantly shocked Anderson Cooper pressed Hillary as hard as he did.

[–]___Iowa___ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is so fucked up I really can't believe this isn't a bigger deal to people. This should be top of the front page. Perfect example of media manipulation.

[–]coreyyeroc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Hillary triumphs in democratic debate while rivals compete to lose"

What kind of headline is that?

People who saw the debate know who really won it over.

[–]factor8_ [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

the fire rises, and the msm is too afraid to smell the berning roses

[–]crazy4esoCalifornia [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hope people screenshot it.

[–]thriftyaf[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There are some floating around, including the reply from @laforbernie in reply to the tweet I posted.

[–]DohadaVermont [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fuck off CNN

[–]Ryanrhonda [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Houston we have a problem? might be time for the first Bernie Boycott or Bernout

[–]abolish_karma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is pretty much expected. Spending energy, going forward, organizing, getting people familiar with the impact of Bernie policy proposals and generally out-campaigning Hillary using enthusiasm of thousands, not millions of $

[–]MisterTruth [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Tangentally related: How come there isn't a law that mandates that all journalists and news organizations must report any time there may be a bias? If most viewers knew about Time Warner contributing to Hillary, they would at least question why she seems to be handled with kid gloves for the most part.

[–]Mamemoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This question is the exact reason why we need a political revolution.

[–]katiebsmokinNorth Carolina - Bernie Squad - Cadet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

they would... smh

[–]Espryon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Expecting CNN or FoxNews to be objective is like expecting Donald Trump to say something that is politically correct, odds are it won't happen.

[–]FlorencePantsNew York [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just one of those things that reminds us all we're all about two cybernetic limbs away from a cyberpunk reality. We've already got the corporate dystopia part coming along nicely.

[–]IraDeLucisSouth Dakota [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So I'm not sure if something has already been started, but along with the tag #FeelTheBern I think we also need to start spreading the media blackout against Bernie via #BernieBlackout

[–]Ben_Carson_is_a_Cuck [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't really care about the poll. The focus group was mostly for Sanders yet they downplayed it. Basically saying what we all think. If you care what they are saying and have been saying Sanders wins. If you care how well they say it today Clinton wins.

Sanders did two things much better than Clinton. He stood up for weed and against the NSA. The panel mentioned this being important, on why they changed their view. Just crap reporting.

[–]thriftyaf[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wanted to highlight this as an example of this bigger problem, that scripted answers win over honest beliefs.

[–]OferZakNorth America [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

CNN is the worst media provider ever

[–]franklin_stubbs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have a feeling no matter how much support Bernie gets, the DNC will still have Hillary be the candidate.

[–]SynesthesiaBruh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Anyone remember what Obama's CNN polling looked like around this time 8 years ago?

[–]mtherfcker_jones [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I just went back to the poll and it was still accessable from my cell phone. I had no problems getting to it.

[–]peepjynx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Here is the twitter of the "man" that wrote that article:

http://www.cnn.com/profiles/jeremy-diamond

Have at'm!

rofl - he posted a tweet of someone asking if he sleeps with Clinton's photo at his bedside.

[–]EightsOfClubs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TWC is a major contributor to Clinton's campaign.

[–]JDMontegue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

More importantly though, over 10 million people saw Bernie leading in the live poll.

[–]dblake123 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

New York Times is reporting the same thing. Problem is that you can look up different polls and they keep theirs up. The fact that they did this is kinda dangerous because now we know which papers have been bought. This is exactly the sort of stuff that brings people to Bernie Sanders. They try and fix the results for this election it will not work.

The other polls I checked last night: time - http://time.com/4071956/democratic-debate-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll-who-won/ fox - http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/10/13/poll-who-won-the-cnn-democratic-debate/ slate - http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/democratic_debate_who_won_vote_in_our_poll.html

[–]Sozialjustizkrieger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Someone's getting nervous.

[–]schnupfndrache7 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

/r/conspiracy

[–]Reddit_User_Friend [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Coincidence after coincidence of the media fumbling a story in Hillary's favor. What a world we live in!

In case you are ever interested in putting down your rose shaded glasses for a look at why people accuse the media of manipulating stories, I have posted a video to this thread. I will post it here again for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG5sxPbqZjQ&feature=youtu.be

[–]Goober_McGooby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is ridiculous, CNN is such an obvious puppet of the Clinton regime.

Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do about that. What we can do however, is continue to contribute. Every contribution counts so be sure to donate to the campaign, even if a small donation.

And the fun doesn't stop there.

After Bernie gets elected, you then get to make even more contributions!

For everyone's free college, for everyone's free healthcare, for everyone's crappy wind turbines and solar panels that won't work, for everyone's unemployment checks after jobs leave America at an alarming rate, for NASA to land men on a big red rock in the sky, for millions of illegals education/healthcare, and much much more!

Fortunately, instead of making those donations yourself, you can just pay the government and trust that they can do all of these things correctly without wasting your money! How great is that??? The government is so trustworthy and not wasteful that we should pay them more and more so everything can be free! The more you pay, the more things are free. No fallacy here. And there is no way we will run out of money, one liberal economist said so!! The other economist who disagree are wrong!

[–]kvachon [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Internet polls are meaningless. Do you not understand this? This sub was literally telling people to flood the polls last night. All it proves is that bernie supporters are passionate. If it meant anything else we'd be in President Ron Paul's second term. He won a lot of internet polls too. Be realistic with yourselves for a change. Stop trying to blame "the media" for any and all problems with this campaign. It does literally nothing to help your cause. If scientific polls come out in a few days and show Bernie with a huge lead, then you can say the media called last night incorrectly. Not before then, not based on gameable internet polls.

[–]thriftyaf[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Notice how I never actually said that he won? I'm simply highlighting their censorship of something that doesn't go along with their narrative.

[–]kvachon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I am not convinced its censorship. Do you have data on the last CNN debates and how long those polls stayed up for?