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Red Pill Theory"Disdain for Women is Beta" -your thoughts? (self.TheRedPill)

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tl;dr- Alpha guy on youtube says that having disdain for women is beta, and puts MGTOW and feminism in the same pot, among other things.

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfysPaZFEtY

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I'm sure some of you know who the Golden One is. He's a Swedish bodybuilding MMA fighting nationalist living in Ireland. He made a video a while back pointing out that being bitter and having disdain for women is beta as fuck and not productive for men at all.

Now, I know the philosophy of Red Pill tends to agree with this (at least in theory). Getting worked up over a rejection is some Elliott Rodger shit and putting women on pedestals. TRP regularly denounces MGTOW for being whining quitters.

However, I noticed that this guy's philosophy is coming from a much different place than TRP is in the long run. He is not interested in getting lots of sex per se, but he is very interested in men becoming masculine again and assuming their traditional roles. I know TRP mostly goes for traditional values but it's also first and foremost a guide for guys to get laid in the modern world of soulless Tinder horseshit where looking for a woman to commit to means being OK with her 20+ partner count. This guy is not interested in that as much as bringing back traditional values and starting a family with a worthy woman. But as many TRP guys know, marriage is a really big roll of the dice and very very few modern women are interested in these traditional roles and fewer are worthy of long term commitment of high value men.

So while The Golden One has very admirable aspirations, is he living in a bit of a fantasy? Can you really use TRP as a method for sex and not feel disdain for the women you're banging (the ones riding the cock carousel)? And in the end, if you're looking for a worthy woman to start a family with as he says, how can you be sure she is really worth the commitment?

Conclusion: I really want to hear what you guys think on this matter.

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[–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Beating one's own chest about how everyone else is a fucking pussy is a pretty valid Alpha Male past-time in my book. That's the guy's opinion, good for him. Throwing out a challenge for anybody that wants to try take him on.

More interesting is the question "well where does this opinion of mine come from", that some of us will inevitably ask ourselves in private, after having the chest-beating fun. Then the really un-fun red pill conclusions come pouring in: this is pure feminine imperative women are wonderful no matter what ideology which was foist on you and I growing up, and we didn't have ANY conscious choice about it. A lot of men continue in this state of not having any conscious choice, since they are not aware of why they think what they think.

You can be way off, completely wrong about everything, and still Alpha as fuck.

If you ask me, guy definitely has a big practical point, since having pronounced public disdain for just about anything adverts a chip on one's shoulder, a weakness. Of course it is beta behavior to advertise this way. Alpha individuals do not advertise profound righteous grievances (that nobody gives a shit about), then wait for great justice to just descend from somewhere. The Alpha types get even, their own way.

But then again, some healthy disdain for womankind in general has always been a part of strong male cultures, since the dawn of time. It divides and distinguishes us from them. Women also have their own version of this, and do secretly disdain men - perhaps even much more so! These things are healthy and produce solid gender roles with inviolable boundaries. That is why current policy is to stamp it out as much as possible, the big agenda states that we must all be made permanently gender-confused (both men and women) and ultimately rendered psychologically unable to form any kind of family. Other structures want to take over and nourish the so called New Man, who is brought up in the commune by the State and for the State. Having a family, if you think about it, is really an unforgivable luxury to afford to the rabble.

[–]moose_war[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good take on it. My main chinstroke on this was that he has a point- many of us would want to settle down with a woman who we could tell was worthy of commitment. His POV is he wants women to be women and men to be men and that this will bring our society back to a good place and produce healthier people. A noble goal.

But again, I look at the reality and for me, it just looks bleak. And I think "I'd rather just get laid and focus on my own goals in life". I see what he means, but at the same time he must have disdain for SOME women otherwise he'd have no way to judge who is the best mate for him.

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    [–]moose_war[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The funny thing is, before I figured out the way the world is now, I would have been more than happy to assume traditional roles. Maybe not have kids, but definitely invest in a life partner who could support me and vice versa. But now I see the best a man can hope for is sex and be very very leery about anything else lasting. And this is mainly because of how outspoken the modern woman is about the CC, being a slut, and focusing on her career.

    [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Impotent, helpless hate is beta.

    Hate, itself, is just a thing. Like burping. Absent the impotence and helplessness, hate is really just a healthy dose of prejudice.

    [–]david_kimba 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hate is the end product of fear, ignorance and the unwillingness to work on our own flaws. Hate is blaming exterior motives for our own weaknesses.

    [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can kind of see that. Does a guy really "hate women" or does he hate the fact that to be successful with women, he needs to work on a whole bunch of shit that's honestly pretty burdensome, unfair, and unrealistic, but that's just what it is to be a man?

    Does a guy really "hate women" or does he hate the fact that women don't measure up to the male standards he's been wrongly holding them to for so long?

    But very few people out there really "hate women" in the traditional sense. Hate meaning actually considering women inferior, subhuman, lesser beings that it would be okay to rape, murder, and mangle because they're not really human anyway. Today, in 2015, nobody "hates" like that in a first world country. In 2015, "hate" is simply synonymous with "prejudice."

    If you assume certain negative things about a woman to be true simply because she's a woman, and your expectations for a woman are different based solely on her sex, when you don't know that particular woman at all, you are prejudiced against women. In 2015, that's what "hate" is. Except for the mentally ill, nobody actually murders and beats and rapes women, and thinks they're righteous to do so because women are a subhuman evil menace. That's real hate. Today, just being a bigot is "hate."

    [–]moose_war[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I get what you mean. He seems to be saying you shouldn't even bother thinking about the women who are not up to par. The problem is men need sex and we do live in a world of women that is not really cut out for marriage.

    I just find it an interesting dichotomy.

    [–]david_kimba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, do you need to feel disdain for unhealthy food or food you do not like for you not to pick it and eat it? Do you need to constantly be reminded how much you hate all the things that you do not like or that youre indifferent to?

    I just do not let it into our world because we have things to proactively think about and works toward.

    I used to bash so many inconsitencies and fallacies in religion , now i just do not care much. And i can definetly works toeards building my own belief system rather than focusing on poking the holes on stupid things.

    [–]grubek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Exactly. Sometimes hate is necessary and positive, sometimes it is stupid.

    When someone says things equivalent to 'hate is always bad' you know you are hearing bullshit.

    [–]gregd28 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Disdain for women is step 1 for blue pill unplugging, so in a way he's right. Anger fades to acceptance which then should naturally develop to Machiavellian strategy & then the metamorphosis to Red Pill alpha bro is complete.

    [–]iLLprincipLeS 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    much different place than TRP is in the long run.

    you mean it comes from sweden yes? that degenerate shithole that europe chose as it's future for the next 50 years?

    of course the guy focuses more on traditional values, the situation in his country is critical, just take a look at the future population predictions and you will see the monstrous truth.

    you can use trp as a method to filter out the worthless whores and maybe try your luck at the (in my case) european roulette hoping to find someone that is worth more than a cock in her mouth.

    [–]moose_war[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    you mean it comes from sweden yes? that degenerate shithole that europe chose as it's future for the next 50 years?

    Nah this guy is a nationalist and he has said repeatedly that his country has turned into a shit hole that needs fixing, especially its men. He's against feminism and mass immigration.

    I meant he is coming from a traditional place where he focuses solely on finding a quality woman to mate and start a family with, rather than making the most of a fucked up world via maximum sex.

    [–]iLLprincipLeS 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Nah this guy is a nationalist and he has said repeatedly that his country has turned into a shit hole that needs fixing, especially its men. He's against feminism and mass immigration.

    his videos were already posted on the european sub, i know who he is and what he says and i agree with him.

    I meant he is coming from a traditional place

    sweden is not a traditional place, it's a testing ground for cultural marxism, you can see a bigger picture here.

    he focuses solely on finding a quality woman to mate and start a family with, rather than making the most of a fucked up world via maximum sex.

    is he living in a bit of a fantasy?

    as i said in my first comment, the last part, trp could prove useful to him to crush his fantasy and help him find out what he wants.

    [–]moose_war[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    sweden is not a traditional place, it's a testing ground for cultural marxism, you can see a bigger picture here.

    I mean he is coming from a traditional place MENTALLY as in his point of view, not literally where he hails from.

    as i said in my first comment, the last part, trp could prove useful to him to crush his fantasy and help him find out what he wants.

    Yes, but at the same time he seems to genuinely want to improve society by example, which is something to be admired. At the very least, he's taking a big risk, but perhaps he is just confident in his ability to choose a good mate. I wish him nothing but luck but I do think he is unfamiliar with the dating market since he's in a LTR (I think).

    [–]BetterBadIdeas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hating women for not acting like men is like hating the sky for raining. Sure it aint pleasant, but the truth is, you're the one who didn't bring an umberella.

    [–]CollectivePsychosis 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    lol this again. trying to shame for having some sort of reaction. we cant all be ice cold stoic chiseled muscle billionaire gods. Until then...

    [–]moose_war[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Was this posted before or do you just mean the ideas put forth?

    I'm not trying to shame and I don't think he necessarily is either. Both him and TRP are against sitting around being bitter about rejection, his angle seems different though and so do his long term goals. Also I don't think he's a billionaire.

    [–]CollectivePsychosis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    no, this wasn't posted before. I was unclear, what I meant to say that this seemed liked shaming tactics

    [–]95wave 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would say that its gamma if anything

    [–]1seenoeval -5ポイント-4ポイント  (18子コメント)

    TRP has quite a bit of hypocrisy, much like everything in life. For some reason, a woman having a 20+ partner count makes her a cum guzzling cock carousel slut, but using TRP knowledge to sleep with dozens or hundreds of women makes you an enlightened genius.....

    Having hatred for women is very Beta and there are many similarities between MGTOW and Feminism as radical thinking with a lot of less than true theories mostly stemming from the hatred and envy of the opposite sex.

    In my mind a woman has every right to use and abuse you if you allow it, regardless that she was born with the skill and you as a man have to learn it, life is unfair, tough shit.

    A realist can take almost any RP story and flip it to a female version. There's that post about the guys friends that went on a trip to Puerto Rico and fucked all these skank wives trending now.

    Completely legit, but how many married men have gone on those same types of trips and fucked around on their wives?

    It's all fair game. Being a bitter little bitch is a very sad way to live, especially since it's a choice.

    I have no disdain for the women I fuck, it's none of my fucking business who they fuck, if they are lying to me, if they have other motives for me, my business is me and my happiness, I never assume a girl is a whore because I'm able to fuck her quickly and I never assume she is a great catch, all that is revealed in time assuming you care to explore it.

    [–]Angry_Landwhale 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

    This is a sub for men. Trp island is a pro male enclave in a feminist ocean. If you want to come here to shriek and nag the natives dont be a butthurt bitch when you get cooked alive and eaten.

    [–]1seenoeval -4ポイント-3ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Was that you changing the oil on my GTR at the dealership the other day? Save your bullshit Alpha posturing for the 17 year olds, acting like you are the Chief of Red Pill island, this is a sub for men, which is why I am fucking here to enlighten you on rational male thinking, you're welcome probie.

    [–]Angry_Landwhale 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Sure thing lady. Your message is that we "shouldn't judge women" mixed in with fake social proofs. Try again with a new account.

    [–]1seenoeval -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Downvoting posts is beta as fuck, I don't even need to look at your post history to know it's full of beta rage.

    You reveal yourself in your language basement dweller. Anything remotely fair said about women around here gets nothing but hate from you worthless faggots, you only prove how little you think of yourself with your lashing out.

    [–]Angry_Landwhale 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Right. Uh cool lady, thanks. Why do you feel the need to police opinions of women for fairness on a male space? Why are you sobbing and moaning about fairness? The world isn't fair child.

    [–]noaydi 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you all fuckers downvote posts which have actually balanced and interesting POV it's exactly why I don't wan't at all to follow this community, it's just a hate sharing place

    [–]Angry_Landwhale 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    First off, karma is for fags. I will go ahead downvote you though. Only because you sjws get triggered by downvotes. If it were up to me you would walk around in a perpetually triggered state until you imploded from emo butthurt overload.

    Btw, GTFO!

    [–]Kolbath 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Was that you changing the oil on my GTR at the dealership the other day? Save your bullshit Alpha posturing for the 17 year olds, acting like you are the Chief of Red Pill island, this is a sub for men, which is why I am fucking here to enlighten you on rational male thinking, you're welcome probie.

    If he was changing the oil on your GTR, it would indicate that you can't handle the task yourself, wouldn't it? I'd like to think that an alpha, as you claim to be, would be capable of turning a single bolt and replacing his own fucking oil filter.

    Disliking high CC women and trying to achieve a high partner count yourself is not hypocrisy. It's rationality. The bottom line is that each gender brings different things to the bargaining table.

    The woman brings sex. The man brings commitment and security. So when a woman gives away her bargaining chip to many, it loses its value and she is called a slut. When a man gives away his bargaining chip to many (or too soon) it loses its value and he's called a beta.

    Maybe this isn't the right sub for you if you don't understand this most basic of concepts and want to accuse us of hypocrisy.

    [–]1seenoeval -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Interesting theory, so because I have the financial capability to pay someone else to do tasks I don't care about, that makes me beta? hmm

    I pay a landscaper and a cleaning lady to, I don't want to waste my valuable time spending 3 hours on a saturday mowing and manicuring 2 acres.

    A GTR isn't a toyota celica, it should be maintained by a dealer, service records are important when dealing with cars that retail over $100,000 if you don't want the value to plummet.

    "Accuse us" You believe you are somehow separate from other men who have different opinions. The foundation of being a man is exploring all possibilities, engaging in rational debate.

    I don't bring commitment and security, I bring my cock. 90% of the people on a sub like this are trying to learn to be better, or actually get pussy, and that's great, but it means 90% of the people posting here are just parroting bullshit they are hearing from everyone else, and 10% are actually living it and learning what is true, what is fabricated and what is exaggerated.

    Just because I have a different opinion and have no issue speaking it in a discussion does not make me an antagonist, it makes me a rational self driven man.

    The smell of pussy in this sub is incredibly strong, which is to be expected based on it's content, the fact that I can agree with 95% of the things said here yet the 5% I disagree with gets me attacked only proves the weakness in the males here.

    [–]Kolbath 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    No, what indicates your probable beta status is your attitude and presumption that anyone here really gives a fuck what car you drive or how much you spent on it. I know a number of people with really nice cars who are dumb as mud, and your attempt to claim someone else works with their hands (changes the oil on your GTR like a servant) and that puts them beneath you indicates that you are one of them. (By the way, mechanics at a dealer make about $75 an hour. Hardly a pedestrian salary by any means.)

    You're not being attacked. Step down from the paranoia pedestal. Throwing insults and claiming you're being persecuted doesn't indicate you're some kind of self driven man. It indicates that you debate like a woman. Those are the very same tactics used by feminists. What you are doing is peacocking and trying way to hard to prove yourself. So far you've mentioned how very independent you are. I think if you were half as independent as you claim you wouldn't need to bring it up; it would be self evident. When was the last time gaylubeoil or Illimitablemale found it necessary to declare how strong minded they are? Aren't we supposed to simply gauge that from our interactions from them? It's a sad reality that if you have to tell me how strong you are... You probably aren't very. You've also been certain to mention the car you drive as a measure of economic status. Congrats. It's a nice car. I drive a Jeep. Call me when you can't make it up a 3% incline in the snow. None of this matters in this discussion.

    I think you have a sidebar to read. Tomassi himself is where I got that explanation of relative values to a relationship.

    [–]1seenoeval 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Oh actually I'm pretty dumb, being rich doesn't make you smart, that's about the only valid point you made.

    I'm sitting here laughing at you guys, not the slightest bit of anger or need to prove myself, I was "attacked" for my point of view by the other idiot who was laughably talking about being cooked and eaten or some fake Alpha bullshit lol.

    Look at you bolding words, comparing me to a feminist. You can't even see that attacking me for my point of view, telling me maybe I'm in the wrong place and then accusing me of being weak because I pay to have my oil changed are the exact tactics of fucking females!

    I don't need to read a sidebar my young friend, my life is doing just fine having discovered TRP subs long after I figured out how to live the right way.

    All this hate because I made a simple comment that hating women is beta, and I don't give a fuck how many people some bitch has fucked when I'm out doing the same exact thing.

    Also, I have an F250 for the winter, thankfully I won't be driving the GTR in the snow, it goes in the garage for the winter but I appreciate the offer to call you for help :)

    [–]Kolbath 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I always offer to help those weaker than me. Manners maketh the man. Good day.

    [–]battleof_lissa -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is a sub for men to get laid. Anything self-improvement related comes second.

    [–]moose_war[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I have no disdain for the women I fuck, it's none of my fucking business who they fuck, if they are lying to me, if they have other motives for me, my business is me and my happiness, I never assume a girl is a whore because I'm able to fuck her quickly and I never assume she is a great catch, all that is revealed in time assuming you care to explore it.

    The only problem is there are no women with 20+ partners that are ever trustworthy for long term commitment, in my opinion. And if a virgin woman held a man to the same standards, I would understand.

    I agree it's none of your business who she has fucked if you are JUST fucking her or dating her casually. The problem comes in the long term commitment aspect. Yes, it's hypocritical to be a man who fucks lots of women and who demands a woman with low partner count and relationship stability when you're talking about marriage. But men and women are different and TRP knows this. Women want experienced men. Men who know hot to pleasure them, protect them and frankly, bring the best out of them. A virgin man might be able to do this, but more often than not, a man trying to be virtuous in this way just gets lost in modern society and ends up as a 35 year old virgin who doesn't know what women want.

    So this is where I'm interested in the paradoxes. Because I have always seen TRP as self improvement but I also see TRP as a reaction to a world where men are not brought up to be men and where women are brought up to fuck any man without thinking of commitment. The Golden One's video would have struck me much better 10 years ago when I was a teenager. Now I look at it and then look at the reality of the dating market, at least in the U.S., and the two visions don't match.

    [–]1seenoeval -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Fair enough, I understand the whole "a key that opens many locks is a valuable key" thinking that a lot of men have when it comes to justifying a lot of sexual partners.

    I just don't judge others (male of female) for doing the same thing I do, I try and live my life with as little hypocrisy as possible.

    "A lock that is opened by many keys is a useless lock" Perhaps.....but it gives a hell of a blowjob

    [–]moose_war[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I just don't judge others (male of female) for doing the same thing I do, I try and live my life with as little hypocrisy as possible.

    I think that is part of what he is getting at in the video. But of course, like I said, things change if you are considering giving your commitment, as a man, to a modern woman.

    "A lock that is opened by many keys is a useless lock" Perhaps.....but it gives a hell of a blowjob

    And no one here on TRP would argue this. Rarely do we have men here slut shaming from what I have seen. But a slut is a slut, and she isn't going to blow 10 strangers in one night when she is 22 and then somehow become marriage material when she is 24. Not in my eyes anyway.

    [–]1seenoeval -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would certainly agree that men are different than women, I however don't think one woman with more sex partners is worse than one with less necessarily.

    I would never get married but have no issue with an LTR and don't have any time limit in mind of when I need to bail out. My criteria for what it takes to be in an LTR with such a great man like me :) is quite intensive but amount of sexual partners is not on there.

    Again, I understand the logic of why a lot of men feel differently, it's not a question of right or wrong, in my personal experience, people (men and women) that experience a lot of something (including sexual partners) have a better grasp on their will power....outside of heroin addicts.

    I know for me, when I had few sexual partners early on, and was in constant LTR's I was longing for sex with new women constantly. Now that I've had sex with so many women and so many different types of women I don't think I am missing out on anything when I want to be with one girl for awhile.

    I'm sure plenty of TRP users would love to post many links that would illustrate to me how women do not behave logically in that way but maybe I don't invest that much energy in what a woman is thinking anyway to care, so her count is of little concern to me.

    [–]mrmeyhemn -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    disdain: Noun. "the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt."

    sounds like the mma "alpha" is spouting blue pill bullshit. no one owes women respect just because they are women. they get my respect when they earn it. there are a few women that have earned my respect. for the most part the majority of women aren't worthy of my respect because awalt holds true in almost every woman i've ever met.

    having money in the bank and being a mma fighter does not make one alpha, nor does it make that persons ideals alpha, it simply means you beat the fuck out of some dudes and got some $ for it. you can still be a blue pill beta faggot even though you can crack skulls.

    Example: a woman i used to be with is with a ex-mma fighter. hes the most beta motherfucker. has no job (cant keep one for more than 2 months), no money, is out of shape, no hobbies that can generate income, untalented in every aspect of his life, can't build/craft/draw schematic or plans/etc, functionally illiterate, sucks up to her non stop, "mr nice guy" incarnate. she hates supporting the loser. at first he was alpha to her, now hes like another child for her to raise, pussy is all dried up for "mr alpha mma fighter".

    lesson learned: he is not making an alpha statement. he is making a beta statement. betas can learn to fight, that does not make them an alpha.

    edit: a word (and added a little)

    [–]moose_war[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You may disagree with him but the guy is far from beta. Beyond MMA he trains heavy in strength, has his finances and shit together and has strong values that he stands by. He regularly says that feminism is poison and that no man should alter his behavior based on what women think.

    At the same time he also believes in tribalism and traditionalism and hierarchy of family (a boy must listen to his mother and father, etc) which hasn't worked so well in the west.

    [–]Assassin1476 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You having hatred towards women and the bullshit you have to go through in order to get them and please them doesn't make you beta. I don't give a fuck what anyone says on here, women are naturally fucking annoying and will get on anyone nerves and make you greatly dislike them, especially with the crazy, dislikable bitches that populate the Earth today.

    That being said, you allowing it to constantly affect your life in a negative manner and use it as a constant excuse for why you can't do something or achieve something is beta. That's what women do. Always blaming men for their mishaps and why they can't succeed when it's really their own weakness and inhibitions keeping them back.