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[–]IAmAPhoneBook 708ポイント709ポイント  (35子コメント)

With all that said, they don't even bring up the fact that Jenner has spoken out with less-than-progressive views on gay marriage, which in my mind just fucking reeks of hypocrisy.

[–]ardnax 265ポイント266ポイント  (9子コメント)

just more evidence of her being completely focused on her own shit, rather than the LGBT community.

even though gender does not equal sexuality, she's been given the spotlight and she fucked it up. but she did marry Kris Kardashian, did we think she was going to have intelligent views in the first place?

[–]ImWritingABook 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

more evidence of her being completely focused on her own shit, rather than the LGBT community all different types of people who might be affected.

Just because it may as well go to the top level rather than just one level of self interest higher up

[–]illestredditorjew 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think her views on gay marriage weren't really out there during this interview, but you're totally right it's plain ridiculous.

[–]CanadianWizardess 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep. Jenner actually isn't very well liked in the trans community.

[–]M0dusPwnens 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

While it isn't why she spoke out against it and she seems to be less-than-progressive about a lot of things (which isn't terribly surprising for a previously largely unengaged 65 year old), it's probably worth pointing out that a lot of queer people consider gay marriage to be itself less-than-progressive.

The more radical queer wing (arguably more aligned with the goals of early queer political organizing) pretty frequently comes out against gay marriage, or at the very least against how it was made a priority over other fights like employment, suicide, mental health, youth homelessness, access to medical care, etc., largely championed by and for affluent white gay men, and by corporations intent on using it for PR to sell themselves as inclusive and progressive. And the latter part is uncontroversial - funding for gay marriage and the initial groundswell of support came from a fairly small number of relatively conservative sources and involved a lot of astroturfing. You can look at huge organizations like the HRC, which have a really checkered track record with anything other than mainstream gay men and lesbian women - at one point even explicitly saying that bisexual and transgender issues took a back seat in their efforts compared to gay marriage.

The larger idea is that gay marriage represents a negative kind of assimilation that sees us joining repressive power structures rather than our more traditional stance of questioning them or rejecting them - that we are merely adding "normal all-American gays" to the list of acceptable kinds of people rather than doing away with the notion that people should care about the form of one another's consensual relationships or sex lives that they're not party to, and that their cares should be afforded legal status. The (I think pretty reasonable) fear is that nice gay couples with little dogs and picket fences joining the fold doesn't actually help people who aren't themselves already very close to the acceptable mainstream - if anything it's made the "freaks" even less acceptable, now that the nice gay couples with little dogs and picket fences have joined the mainstream that still disapproves of the "freaks", and everyone else also feels exasperated, like they've done their part in promoting tolerance and really, how much more can be expected of them.

There's also a really significant degree to which many people feel like the gay rights fight is basically won and over. Making it all about marriage has definitely hurt ongoing support for other queer issues now that gay marriage is legal. I've seen countless straight friends crusade for gay marriage, but now, even as there are so many other issues, they're basically silent. The idea that marriage would serve as a sort of "stepping stone" to more important issues doesn't seem to be panning out.

If you're interested in learning more about this perspective, this is a pretty nice article I've sent people a few times: http://www.organizingupgrade.com/index.php/modules-menu/beyond-capitalism/item/1002-marriage-will-never-set-us-free

[–]Manniepedie 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what I always said. Homosexuality isn't become normal, homosexuals became hetero-normal adopting the trappings of the heterosexual ideal.

It's basic in-group out-group dynamics. If you want to be part of the in-group, dress up and act like them as much as you can.

[–]jswizle9386 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The fact that she is not 100 percent on board with gay marriage absolutely blows my fucking mind

[–]7oba 2825ポイント2826ポイント  (1525子コメント)

"Just because you think one transgender person is a fucking dumbass,
doesn't mean you hate all of them, or you are 'transphobic'."

[–]dbog42 359ポイント360ポイント  (88子コメント)

The difference is if you're making fun of someone who happens to be transgender, or making fun of someone because they're transgender. A lot of folks try to do the latter by claiming the former.

[–]PointNShooty 98ポイント99ポイント  (76子コメント)

Yeah, I had honestly never heard of Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner before the transition. But ever since she came out reddit suddenly really cares about Keeping up with the Kardashians.

[–]Xtorting 116ポイント117ポイント  (72子コメント)

If you were alive when he won Gold at the Olympics his old name would be much more familiar.

[–]Neloth 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

On the other side of that is people doing the former and having people jump down their throats accusing them of the latter.

[–]awry_lynx 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, which is part of why it's tough. A few months ago I posted something similar in a different thread, along the lines of:

If you get perpetually bullied because you're trans, and then someone says something cutting about you but it's NOT about you being trans, it's about, like, something that's actually worth criticizing (your writing or your style or your work ethic or something), I think you can be excused for thinking that it's yet ANOTHER person who dislikes you because you're trans, and not for a 'good' reason.

Real criticism gets buried under the "omg what a disgusting person wow so awful", especially on the internet where anonymous people can shit on you for no reason.

Basically, what I'm saying is that if you want to criticise anyone for any reason it's important to be tactful if you want to actually get your point across. On the other hand, it's important to not treat minorities like they're made of glass, just because other people criticize them for no reason. And on the part of those minorities, it's important for them to realize that just because a lot of people dislike them for 0 reason, some criticism might actually be valid... it just sucks to sift through it.

[–]robshookphoto 1180ポイント1181ポイント  (1373子コメント)

It would be GREAT if threads about Caitlyn were actually like Rogan's views. How did he open?

"I have a theory about all this ultra sensitivity and ultra progressive thinking. All this stuff is very good. ... I think that what it is, is blow back against racisim or sexism or homophobia."

Instead, every thread about her has people insisting on calling her "him" or "Bruce," people quoting articles about how it's a mental disability and trans doesn't exist, and just general complaints about SJWs. THOSE are common here, and people are rightly called transphobic for saying them.

[–]Biorach 1425ポイント1426ポイント  (1218子コメント)

I honestly am transphobic. I can't comprehend why someone would mutilate themselves to such a degree other than if they were mental.

And I know I'm going to get downvoted to shit for this but whatever.

You can chop up your dick and rearrange it all you want but you still have a Y chromosome. You are still a guy.

WITH THAT BEING SAID - I still treat transgender people with respect. I don't understand them, and I may not agree with them, but I can still like them as people.

[–]Accipia 2055ポイント2056ポイント x5 (289子コメント)

Getting a few facts out of the way here: Some people who are transgender elect not to have surgery. Some people with a Y chromosome are born female, because biology is messy and complicated and not binary. Now on to...

I can't comprehend why someone would mutilate themselves to such a degree other than if they were mental.

Many transgender people don't understand either, and almost all wish at some point their feelings would just go away... but they don't. You describe this as "being mental", but what does that even mean? In my experience, people most often use this as shorthand for saying "I think transgender people should be treated by psychologists by getting rid of their transgender feelings, not by changing their bodies to fit those feelings". And you know what, that makes a lot of sense. In fact, it makes so much sense that it was the first thing that was tried in terms of mental health treatment for trans people. There is just one problem... it doesn't work. Like with treatments for homosexuality, it just fails to have any significant effect, in spite of the range of treatments that have been tried.

So gradually, mental health professionals moved away from that, and started seeing if there were other ways to help transgender people cope. They weren't only transgender, after all, depression and suicide were also skyhigh among this group. Turns out, what does work to increase transgender quality of life is acceptance. By themselves, their environment, and professionals. Hormone treatments and surgery make transgender people more productive, more happy members of society, less prone to all sorts of mental health issues. So, that has become the standard treatment in recent years. Is that mental? I don't think so. I don't think society is meaningfully hurt either by letting these people exist and do their thing. In fact, it seems the more you do that, the better the results for everyone involved.

[–]Giantpanda602 219ポイント220ポイント  (8子コメント)

Excellent comment, thanks for taking the time to clearly explain the issue.

[–]BatmanBrah 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not only that, but also for being incredibly straight forward, logical, and non-insulting about the matter.

[–]WrongSubreddit 62ポイント63ポイント  (21子コメント)

For curiosity's sake I decided to look up what percentage of the population has complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. 2-5/100,000 or .002-.005%

[–]G3n3r4lch13f 61ポイント62ポイント  (10子コメント)

I looked it up too. Its not a very common phenomena. I support trans individuals, but I've heard the 'biology is messy and non-binary' argument a lot of times before, and it's not a very good one. Again, I support the cause, but this argument is a very poor support for the cause.

Biological sex in humans is a hugely binary system. It's that way because of how organisms dating back to before mammals even existed evolved. Biology is messy, yes, but it's not messy. It's a hugely complex self-organizing, self-replicating, and self-regulating system of systems.

Now, in the case of sexual orientations (rather than strictly sex), this is a much less binary system. This comes down to human psychology and cognitive development, and there definitely is a lot more room for an in-between. Something that is most certainly messy is the human brain when it comes to sexuality.

I'm just saying. You cant take a very rare number of outliers with oddities in their cell-signaling mechanisms, and staple them onto the 'norm'. It's not very scientific.

[–]IamGroooot 64ポイント65ポイント  (80子コメント)

Piggybacking off this comment:

Would it be transphobic to not date someone because they're trans, even if they've had their genitals converted? I just wouldn't be able to date someone knowing that at some point in time they were the same gender as me. I'm curious what a trans person would think about this.

[–]iRepth 210ポイント211ポイント  (47子コメント)

Short story: I was born a male but always felt I was born in the wrong body but as of right now I have decided that transitioning is not right for me, but I am constantly reevaluating because it is an issue that causes me a fair deal of grief.

That said, I would never think it was transphobic of you to not date someone based on the fact that they are transgender. Simply put, what you're telling me is that you're not attracted to them. Why not? It's kind of irrelevant... You can't really force yourself to be attracted to someone. It's like if a latina woman said that she wouldn't date a white man because she frankly just doesn't find them attractive. She's not racist, she's just... Not attracted to white guys. It's like saying you're sexist because you won't date someone of your own gender. It's all nonsense. You like who you like and vice versa. Not transphobic at all, it's not like you'd get to know a transgender person and then they'd confide in you that they were transgender and you'd try to kill them or something crazy.

[–]HumanIncarnite 53ポイント54ポイント  (12子コメント)

The world needs more reasonable people like you.

[–]You_Dont_Party 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

The world is full of reasonable people like iRepth, it's just reasonable people like iRepth don't make news or receive media coverage.

[–]kurtisfartsrainbows 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's not transphobic to not date a trans person. It's like saying you're homophobic because you don't date the same sex.

[–]Pupuplata 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anyone who tells you that what you can and cannot be attracted to is flat out wrong and are trying to police your decisions for their own selfish reasons.

There is this weird notion among some people that if you aren't sexually attracted to something, it makes you "-phobic." As long as you do not view trans people as inherently lesser people and afford them the same respect/rights as everyone else, you are not transphobic. Same can be said for really any trait/sexual orientation/gender/lifestyle/etc. Finding someone physically attractive vs respecting them and treating them like any other human being are two different things.

Unfortunately the sort of people that believe you MUST be attracted to trans people already have beliefs that likely cannot be changed through reasonable discussion.

[–]FlatTire2005 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I asked this in /r/asktransgender once, and every person who responded in that thread said I was transphobic. There were about a hundred comments, but most of those were just people making multiple replies.

[–]Jedi_Outcast 708ポイント709ポイント  (346子コメント)

I honestly am transphobic. I can't comprehend why someone would mutilate themselves to such a degree other than if they were mental.

That isn't transphobic.

It's a reasonable reaction to someone drastically changing their bodies.

Don't let people confuse you. Unless you think transgenders are less than people, you're not transphobic.

[–]RockTripod 364ポイント365ポイント  (86子コメント)

I love everything about this thread. Finally, we're talking about a sensitive issue with some grace, some care, and some honesty. People aren't being vilified for thinking outside the prescribed norm, and isn't this exactly the fucking point? Joe Rogan is absolutely, 100% on point. You might be a member of a protected class, be it gay, lesbian, transgender, or whatever. This does not put you beyond criticism if you are still a fucking cunt. It's not a bullet proof vest, it doesn't put you beyond reproach, and again, isn't that the fucking point?

[–]hey_dave 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know. It's so rational and intelligent and un-redditlike.

[–]Omnibeneviolent 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a reasonable reaction to someone drastically changing their bodies.

It's a reasonable reaction now, but that may change as people are more accepting of LGBT people.

It was not too long ago that it was considered reasonable to reacti with disgust to interracial marriage. Our attitudes are constantly evolving.

[–]TheLetter10 88ポイント89ポイント  (59子コメント)

Transgender here. Kept my penis, wife loves it too much. Not all of us want to "mutilate" our bodies.

[–]permissionjunkie 11ポイント12ポイント  (14子コメント)

interesting. if its not to personal did your wife know you were having these thoughts/feelings before you married? does having a penis cause you any identity discomfort?

[–]TheLetter10 21ポイント22ポイント  (12子コメント)

No she didn't know, but she handled it mostly well. As for my penis, it doesn't really bother me.

[–]iRepth 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have seriously and still do seriously consider transitioning, but whenever I do bring it up in a somewhat jovial way with my girlfriend, I always tell her I would keep the penis because I know she likes it. Ironically enough, she used to date women but just never did get into the whole "vagina" side of things. But she still thinks they're smokin hot. So I'm kind of the best of both worlds, in a way. Cheers

[–]Fuckthoseflatbrims 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You dont get it because the second you gained awareness you never questioned your gender. Transexuals discover this years before "normal" people even think about their own gender. I have no idea if it is a mental issue or just their bodys were wired wrong. But i dont get the notion well im just fine so i dont understand it. Obviously wanting to hack your dick off isnt something you do for popularity or fun.

[–]ShadoWolf 44ポイント45ポイント  (10子コメント)

I wouldn't rest your argument to heavily on genetics. For the most part the frame work for Sexual differentiation is actively fluid in mammals.

reposting one of my comment from a different thread.

XY and XX isn't really the biggest component when it comes to Sexual differentiation. The Y chromosume simple has the SRY gene that starts the process off. if your a programmer think of it like a build flag.

But the interesting thing is that a good chunk of our Sexual differentiation is active. in females FOXL2 chromosume 3 :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forkhead_box_L2[1] If you Silence this gene in mouse models the ovaries turn into a kind of Testes. For Males DMRT1 actively keep testes from becoming Ovaries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMRT1[2] http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v476/n7358/full/nature10239.html[3]

Sex is complicated, likely within the next 10 to 20 years it will be possible to use gene therapy to effect primary sexual characteristic. Coupled with tissue engineering, and the possibility for fully functional sex change will likely be possible.

[–]TotesMessenger 51ポイント52ポイント  (67子コメント)

[–]ultimatemisogynerd 98ポイント99ポイント  (37子コメント)

Of fucking course they would.

[–]DoYouCali 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

People aren't allowed to discuss topics anymore. Thought you knew.

[–]tomtim90 60ポイント61ポイント  (34子コメント)

The sad part is that this is actually a good discussion and isn't disrespectful at all.

[–]StrongBad04 34ポイント35ポイント  (3子コメント)

Glad to be reminded that there are people who want to shut down honest discussions that are an opportunity to understand other sides of an issue and talk openly about how people actually feel about things, instead reducing all conversations about these topics to those that occur only between like minded people and not across sides.

[–]ONLY_POST_SARCASM 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh look, the shitbags piped in...

[–]aksumighty 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was afraid of clicking on the comments because I assumed I'd be walking in on a thread like you mentioned, so thank you for posting this.

People want to hear what they already think. Rogan has said, MANY TIMES, that what people see as 'hyper sensitivity' towards these things, is a good thing (he repeats it verbatim in this interview). Because even if it goes awry at times, the purpose is that what we are seeing now is a drastic push-back against all the harmful shit people continue to say without even blinking because it's been built into the language.

[–]Roez 33ポイント34ポイント  (14子コメント)

I used to listen to Rogan's podcasts. It's entertaining, and if you listen to his views on any one thing they often seem reasonable (he makes good points here). After a time though it's easy to see why he's very susceptible to conspiracy theories. His different ideas are often contradictory, meandering, and all over the place. He will easily believe or bloat one experience into a long and convoluted notion or idea.

He's well read, has a lot of facts and knowledge. His connection of meaning with the facts though is lacking. It's somewhat hard to pin him down and really know what he believes. Still, a good guy and produces good content.

[–]Justsmith22 271ポイント272ポイント  (48子コメント)

They raise a great point in this convo.

The problem is closed mindedness and not being open to discussion. There are so many people out there with good intentions who actually use that to internally justify their closed mindedness. It's one of the most alienating things to be around these people who don't accept any conflicting viewpoints, regardless of their intent.

So often people act like they've figured it all out--that they've discovered the key to morality. They somehow think that despite people thinking about and discussing these things for literally thousands of years that they've figured out the answer to ridiculously subjective ideas. It's absurd. Anything that can't be discussed is complete bull shit. As Socrates said, "the wisest man of all is the man who knows he knows nothing at all" or something. It's a statement still equally as relevant today. The only thing someone can justifiably be closed minded about is their own ignorance.

[–]zxcv4306 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The ancient Oracle said that I was the wisest of all the Greeks. It is because I alone, of all the Greeks, know that I know nothing"–Socrates

[–]QuitBeingLazy 1159ポイント1160ポイント  (192子コメント)

Podcasts are the the only place you can find people telling the truth these days. No real sponsors to upset. Just conversations. No commercial breaks every 3 minutes. I don't care what you listen to, but find a daily podcast. You won't go back.

[–]Looploop2128385 498ポイント499ポイント  (72子コメント)

The strangest part about podcasts is going back and watching regular media. The ads, product placement, and political correctness is painful to watch.

[–]metalgearonline12312 520ポイント521ポイント  (58子コメント)

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[–]notyourbrah 170ポイント171ポイント  (21子コメント)

love me some billy burr

[–]Zzgeo198zZ 77ポイント78ポイント  (11子コメント)

good old freckles

[–]Miraten 35ポイント36ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hey what's going on it's Bill Burr and it's time for the Thursday Afternoon Friday next to Sunday Monday Morning Podcast and aaaAAaaAAAAAAAAAaaaaa^ A A A a aaaAAAAAAAAaaaa

[–]OldGobbo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had to pause it when I heard him do that I was laughing so hard.

"Guys I'm running out of ways to say it."

[–]zahnno 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

That airplane bit he had a few weeks ago...priceless.

[–]Giygas 95ポイント96ポイント  (2子コメント)

Uber?! I thought they dropped me.

[–]WezVC 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Always pop before you drop, dummkopf!

[–]lifeisworthlosing 84ポイント85ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shaaaaari's beeeeeeerries everyone !

[–]icallmyselfmonster 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought after the first one they would never advertise with him again. But they got so many hits they still do.

[–]CurlingPornAddict 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]dellett 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The beginning of this ad epitomizes why his podcast is so awesome. He's just a guy, doing it completely live.

[–]ISOIO 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

MFW Amazon tells me I'm not interacting with 13 year olds

[–]funkybum 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd rather see something they actually WANT to sponsor vs. Mega corporations bidding and you have no say in the matter.

[–]AccipiterQ 14ポイント15ポイント  (10子コメント)

I ordered a pair of their boxer-briefs, wearing them right now. They're good...but I don't get what the big deal is. My balls are about as comfortable as they are in my other boxer-briefs.

[–]Octopus_Tetris 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because you have filthy pleb balls.

[–]cravf 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I feel like they're way softer and comfy then the rest of the boxer briefs I wear, but they sure as fuck get and stay sweaty.

[–]Bulovak 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey everyone it's Bill Burr here and Iiiiiiiiiiii'm just checking iiiinnnooooooonyaaaaah

[–]ILOVEYABADMOMO 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

IMJUSSSTCHEEEEECCCCKKKIISBKFZJHSJSKDHDNNAAHABYYYYAAAAAAAAA

[–]cooleyandy 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

This American Life is brought to you by Blue Ribbon. Eat delicious food, and make it in the comforts of your own home.

[–]Pickles17 85ポイント86ポイント  (38子コメント)

The two people Joe was talking to are Tom Segura and Christina Poschiztky (I spelled that wrong but fuck it, polish is hard). They have a podcast called "Your mom's house" and its fucking hilarious. Get your jeans high and tight and give them a listen.

[–]PatrickChinaski 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kiss my pussy. KISS IT!!!

[–]JohnMcClane15 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

My Jeans? High.

Also Tight.

[–]kdrisck 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're married too, for those that didn't know.

[–]Quttlefish 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man, I've tried so hard to get on board with their show. I love Tom's stand up and the both of them have moments of brilliance, but I can't make it through most episodes. They tend to take a premise and drag it on way too long. Wipegate was fucking dumb and listening to people laugh while watching dumb Youtube clips wears on me. I can handle Duncan rambling about elves coming to dull your razor blades, and Chris Ryan telling the same stories to different academics, but The Mommies tend to lose me pretty quickly.

[–]pkyessir 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone's jeans are about to fall off. Tighten up world!

[–]ShawnisMaximus 75ポイント76ポイント  (30子コメント)

What's the name of the guy he's talking to in this? I remember seeing some of his stand up and he's hilarious.

[–]cardinals1996 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Tom Segura. I saw him in Phoenix and it was the most I've ever laughed in my life. He's one of my favorite comedians.

[–]Moppy6686 70ポイント71ポイント  (11子コメント)

I wanted to like 'I Am Cait'. I did. But she seems to be the most self-centered, vapid, materialistic, annoyingly conservative and oblivious person who's ever gained notoriety.

[–]ArthurEhrat 688ポイント689ポイント  (23子コメント)

It's more dehumanizing to not tell jokes about somebody, because you are saying " I pity this creature so much that i cant make fun of her"

[–]Ravenman2423 321ポイント322ポイント  (13子コメント)

It's like we watched the same video

[–]ArthurEhrat 63ポイント64ポイント  (6子コメント)

I was just pointing out something that i think it's important for comedians, and for making a point or discuss something, like when a hear somebody saying how far can a joke go or how far can we discuss this. I think pity is the worst feeling you can have for somebody life, its like you only respect this person because you pity her/him.

[–]Logicalist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really don't think, having volunteer surgery, and taking hormones, makes you a hero.

[–]zacharybab 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

"nothing of substance has come out of that stupid clan."

sums up my thoughts exactly

[–]rockinkingdom 165ポイント166ポイント  (99子コメント)

Here, Bailey Jay, you filthy bastards.

[–]calaber24p 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

Shes a pornstar I believe if any of you are extra interested

[–]Cheezy_Ichthyosaur 136ポイント137ポイント  (5子コメント)

Shes a pornstar I believe if any of you are extra interested

"I believe"... Right. We'll go with that. None of us knew who she was and we are sticking to that story.

[–]calaber24p 65ポイント66ポイント  (0子コメント)

starts to panic I don't even know who she is. What was her name bailies james?

[–]Thrallmemayb 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

It'd be pretty cool if she banged some girls, all she does is TS/Guy stuff

[–]Swineflew1 77ポイント78ポイント  (42子コメント)

I remember my first time seeing the gif of her brushing her teeth.
"Holy shit I'd fuck her"
...
"Holy shit I'd fuck him"

[–]nnnonline 46ポイント47ポイント  (9子コメント)

Joe's theory is obviously that, a theory, but it makes a lot of sense. We've seen cultural movements swing one way and then the manifestation of its counter-culture over correct throughout history. So I really hope Joe's right in that it'll all balance itself out soon.

I think many of us--or maybe it's just me--are tired of this weird thing happening in society right now where we overact by either criminalizing or lionizing a person having witness one small glimpse of his/her life, which can be dangerous. We've criticized the media for sensationalism, yet we do the same.

"He gave someone food that was hungry, he must be the nicest guy in the world." Or, "She yelled at this person unprovoked; she must be a huge cunt."

But aren't we over simplifying humans to a fault. Most people I know are very rarely one clear cut thing. I try to be a nice guy, but also am a huge asshole when I'm having a bad day. I sometimes give to the poor, but still would much rather buy a new iPhone if I had to choose only one.

to;dr My point is, I feel like, for some reason, something's changed and we don't try to see people as people. We're so eager to oversimplify someone as either all good or all bad. And then get a kick out of others who join in so we feel accepted by those who share our point of view.

I really hope this changes soon for sake of all of us. And, for the time being, God forbid any of us fall victim to this in the negative.

P.S. I get that sometimes people criticize others as a release when they've been wronged. But, I think that stems from a distancing created by technology today that lets us freely share our view without having to listen to others.

P.P.S. Prof. Sherry Turkle has a great book called "Alone Together" that explains the cultural distancing thing.

[–]PoliticalSponge 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

Joe Rogan has been refining his intelligent way of thinking with all of his guests over the years and is becoming one of the people that makes the most sense on the internet

[–]Mr_Munchausen 102ポイント103ポイント  (23子コメント)

I have a theory about all this ultra sensitivity and ultra progressive thinking. All this stuff is very good. ... I think that what it is, is blow back against racisim or sexism or homophobia. It has just gone so far the other way that it's become preposterous, then it will balance out somewhere the middle.

[–]Jonmad17 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

Isn't that basically how the Hegelian dialectic works?

[–]nonspes 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Basically. In a Hegelian dialectic racism would be the thesis, Ultra-sensitivity would be the anti-thesis, and whatever the next in-between is would be the synthesis

[–]Ginsbergs-girlfriend 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad he said that, because that's exactly how I feel, but I hadn't heard anyone on TV/radio/videos say it. I definitely think that this is a swing to the pendulum in response to all the bigotry that people have faced over the years. And even if people are pushing back against it, individuals are stopping to think about how they treat and talk about other people. Gender, sexuality, and ethnic issues are being given more spotlight. With any luck, we will hit a more neutral point in a few years where people aren't bullied for being of a minority group OR being ignorant (though, granted, if you have been given the opportunity to learn and chose to be mean, that's a different story).

[–]EmJay115 29ポイント30ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's honestly a good theory. I like the way Joe thinks about things. He finds a way to summarize things in a way that makes sense and is hard to argue against. For anyone interested you should definitely check out his podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience.

[–]blackmanrgh 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

Sometimes he comes out with absolute bollocks, but I do think he's on point most of the time.

[–]Top-Cheese 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

that will happen when you think outside the box. tough not to get carried away, so much information necessary to make sound judgements these days.

[–]bat32391 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

Whose the fighter they were talking about near the end of the video?

[–]gfysbro 349ポイント350ポイント  (177子コメント)

I would vote for Joe Rogan.

[–]Ravenman2423 197ポイント198ポイント  (124子コメント)

i think hes a generally cool dude and i think he says a lot of smart things but he can also pull the really dumb thing out of his ass occasionally and make you question everything. his opinion on sports, for example.

[–]SensibleDictator 34ポイント35ポイント  (60子コメント)

his opinion on sports, for example.

What's his opinion on sports?

[–]Toasterss 73ポイント74ポイント  (56子コメント)

He doesn't watch sports other than MMA, so I don't know what the guy above you is on about.

[–]jerseywilcomply 96ポイント97ポイント  (52子コメント)

He says things like baseball isn't a sport it's a game of skill, which every sport involves skill. Sure baseball isn't as exhausting as something like wrestling, but I wouldn't call it a game of skill like table tennis is. Also he complains about what baseball players wear and says it's a stupid uniform. The reason they wear long clothes is because they slide in the grass or dirt, if they didn't they would rip up their skin. That's just one example that comes to mind.

He claims to be open minded but says a lot of stupid ignorant shit on a regular basis, like how he was talking about the pope recently without knowing anything about his life, or his political views, or the fact that this pope actually practices what he preaches. I'd like how much more if he really did some research or if he apoligized for being wrong sometimes. He seems more like that LA open minded where its only open minded if you believe what all the liberals out there believe.

[–]luapchung 31ポイント32ポイント  (17子コメント)

But doesn't soccer players tackle and slide on grass

[–]fcx123 77ポイント78ポイント  (9子コメント)

The infield dirt is what really tears shit up when sliding

[–]TyroneBiggums93 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Try sliding with no pants or socks on infield dirt. See how that feels lol.

[–]Stiffo90 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

but I wouldn't call it a game of skill like table tennis is

Professional table tennis is quite exhausting. If you don't think it's a sport, you've probably never seen or played anything more advanced that a short pick-up game with your mates.

Watch a professional match again, and say it's not a sport. This is otherwise a great video on the journey of a guy to start playing professional table tennis and all that goes into training it.

[–]trumpsta 50ポイント51ポイント  (19子コメント)

or conspiracy theories, like for example, how he spent 3 fucking hours talking/saying to Neil Degrasse Tyson about the moon landing being faked

[–]IBeSteadyLurkin 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fairness to Joe, he has listened to criticism and changed his views on the subject since.

[–]Slemo 37ポイント38ポイント  (12子コメント)

That pissed me off beyond belief. Like seriously dude, you bring a goddamned astrophysicist on the show and you spend 40 minutes talking about the goddamned flag waving on the moon. I'm sure Neil was trying really hard to not drop science on Joe.

[–]Higher_Primate 54ポイント55ポイント  (3子コメント)

Part of the reason NDT even went on the show was to discuss the matter with Joe so don't bash him for it. Also Joe wanted an expert on so that he could settle the matter once and for all....and it did, Joe stopped believing in the hoax after the podcast.

[–]icantsurf 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

He used to be even more into it before his conversation with the Bad Astronomer a.k.a. Phil Plait. It's worth the listen if you've never heard it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDLFm-DRPQg

[–]trumpsta 30ポイント31ポイント  (7子コメント)

Tyson was totally cool about it and explained it in multiple ways and made several attempts to move on, but Rogan wouldn't fucking let it go, would he...

Like there is so much cool shit to ask him and talk to him about, and you choose the moon landing is fake?!

I like Rogan, listen to his podcasts sometimes, but he says a lot of retarded shit, and for someone that is 'open minded' can be quite fucking stubborn.

[–]Pasty-torso 103ポイント104ポイント  (26子コメント)

My favourite thing about Joe Rogan is his continued selling of Alpha Brain "to keep his brain healthy"

If that shit actually worked you would be smart enough to not take pills that have:

1) a single clinical test

2)that they ran themselves

3)which contained 17 participants

4) and the best they could do was manipulate the data to maybe show a little bit of improvement.

His actual quote on the Onnit website about alpha brain is:

"it seems to fire your brain up to a higher RPM level ... I feel like it helps me form sentences better" What does that even mean?

This is also a person that fell wholesale into bullet proof coffee, told his listeners not to drink regular coffee because it has mycotoxins. Ok you can say that he went back on bulletproof coffee. But his supplement company still sells it.

I think Joe falls into the trap of trying way to hard to have an open mind. He gets really into alternative medicines, and alternative theories, and alternative explanations for things because he wants to have an open mind. And often he'll try to sell things to his listeners with "you should have an open mind about these things". What someone actually means when they say that is "You should accept what I'm saying without thinking about it to critically". At least most of the time that's what they mean.

He also believed that the moon landing was faked, and believes some bullshit about the building of the pyramids that I can't be bothered to look up. I say all this as a fan of Joe Rogan. I like his show, I like him. But given the size of his show, and how many people take the things that he says as gospel. I wish he would be a little more careful what he spouts as truth.

[–]slabby 49ポイント50ポイント  (14子コメント)

Seriously. I like Joe, but he's a bit of a conspiracy theorist stoner, and sometimes it clouds his judgment. But I suspect that he doesn't always say what he thinks is actually true or most reasonable, but what is most entertaining. and I can't begrudge him that; he's an entertainer, first and foremost.

[–]Pasty-torso 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he thinks of himself as an entertainer, so I can't get all that riled up about him. But at the same time he is deadly serious about selling the plot of a Bradley Cooper movie to his fans. I think that's pretty funny/ messed up.

[–]Tephros 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I understand what you're saying, BUT Joe almost always tells his listeners to do their OWN research when it comes to nootropics. Not just Alpha Brain but nootropics in general.

edit: He did his job and sold me on Alpha Brain. It did nothing for me and I got a full refund, no questions asked.

[–]felixjmorgan 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

He has an interesting perspective at life but he does say some dumb stuff, and often gets caught up in himself. He's a weird combination of being very open minded while simultaneously being incredibly dogmatic.

[–]pmckizzle 325ポイント326ポイント  (39子コメント)

eh, he can be really fucking 'edgy'.

[–]president_clint 201ポイント202ポイント  (23子コメント)

Like 95% of the time I think he's one of the most down to earth humanbeings on the planet. That other 5% though..

[–]rolltideamerica 102ポイント103ポイント  (1子コメント)

We all have our moments.

[–]FootofGod 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes him more real. Wabi sabi, bro.

[–]CharlieTheK 57ポイント58ポイント  (7子コメント)

If you just take some alpha brain you'll get to 100% bro.

[–]boogersonsteve 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

uhh, bullshit. he has a MASSIVE ego. have you ever heard one of his guests try to challenge him? he gets incredibly upset and defensive and basically will shut them down and never invite them back.

[–]nothingcleverleft 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep in mind he's also a professional comedian.

[–]EllenPaoIsALyingCunt 52ポイント53ポイント  (17子コメント)

Jeans up.

[–]D34THST4R 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

YO MOMMA IN THE FUCKIN STANDS!

[–]Dingid_Forester 39ポイント40ポイント  (12子コメント)

the pity point is the most important part i think.. people get too sensitive over topics like someone being transgender, then they are overly sensitive towards the person and dehumanizing them. people who are transgender go through struggles no doubt, but they just want to embrace who they are and feel like a normal human at the same time.

caitlyn jenner knew how people would react, and took full advantage of it by immediately having a reality show about herself and doing the diane sawyer interview. even the "bravery" award she won was set up.. i'm surprised that joe didn't mention that part. for anyone who knows how celebrities like the kardashians make so much money, it was obvious from the start that caitlyn was using the sensitive issue of gender acceptance for her own personal gain and that is just selfish and in bad taste.

the transgender community deserves a better "face" and someone genuine to look up to. caitlyn jenner was simply trying to put herself in the spotlight and get attention so she could make money. she took advantage of how strongly people feel about trans acceptance, and did everything she could to make money off of it.

[–]Poppenhoffer 42ポイント43ポイント  (7子コメント)

How a transgender person who's anti-gay and killed someone became the face of the movement I have no idea.

[–]SpeakofSmallThings 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

She isn't the face of a movement. She is a rich white republican, anti-gay idiot who happens to be trans, and all defence i've sen from the trans community and allies who know what they are talking abo0t(ie. not glamour magazine) is defense of her pronouns of choice, and how this person would like to be viewed in terms of their gender. That is all i have ever seen.

Look at her family, and who she has relations with in terms of popularity(the fucking kardashians and kanye west). No shit you are going to here about this person night and day, just like if you pay attention to twitter or the 'news' you will see shit about the kardashians.

Jenner isn't the face of transgenderism by virtue of some kind of vote, Jenner was in the back for the last little while since the kardashian boom. Now jenner also hits on another growing series of tensions(gender issues) and boom. Overnight round the clock coverage after a buildup of rumor for years.

There isn't some mandate from the left, or the trans community to push this person to the media. They were already there, and the trans community AFAIK doesn't like jenner as a role model at all. A republican anti-other lgbtq rights being supported by the group with the most issues? Yeah no. Op-eds by LGBTQ+ people, and people from the left in general about the reaction to Jenner, what we can learn, how we can use it to our advantage in terms of advancing the issue etc. are not implicit or explicit support.

[–]ardnax 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

agreed. i feel bad that the transgender community has been "stuck with" Caitlyn Jenner; she was basically chosen by the cis media to be their "spokesperson". Caitlyn DID make an effort of sorts to educate her viewers in her reality show by bringing some way more intelligent transgender women on her show, and even they voiced their opinions about how concerned they were that she was their new spokesperson.

overall, i'm happy that she has at least put transgender rights on the media's mind, and maybe her story will inspire other troubled transgendered people. other than that, let's bring Laverne Cox back into the spotlight.

[–]motoon 50ポイント51ポイント  (24子コメント)

I can't even have my own feelings on this. I can't process this stuff. I have to accept it immediately or I am full of hate. I can change the channel on all this stuff, fortunately.

[–]utamavsully 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck that dumb cunt bruce jennar.

[–]Electroguy 31ポイント32ポイント  (10子コメント)

Bruce Jenner was a douche bag as a guy and now she is a douche bag girl. Shes a hero by putting on a dress? No. She is still a douche bag.. how does putting on a dress make you special all of a sudden?

[–]Foxthorn 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. Jenner is a dumbass.

[–]Penguinswin3 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Why can't I have fucked up feelings?"

Quote of the video right there.

[–]tiramisuplex 250ポイント251ポイント x2 (185子コメント)

I agree that it is absurd to consider a crummy person who undergoes a gender transition to all of a sudden be a hero. That is an extreme and unreasonable view.

On the other hand . . .

They are also failing to consider some very simple and reasonable things that they can do to be more sensitive. Like when Rogan says Tranny, and then points it out, yuks it up, and acts like he is trying figure out where to cash in all his cool edgy points. When a group of people identifies a term that many of them do not like to be called, that is the low hanging fruit of being a kind person. "Oh, the word Tranny has built up a negative connotation and makes you feel like a caricature instead of a person? Sorry, I didn't know - what do you prefer to be called?" How fuckin hard is that, Joe? Or how about the way they all describe a gender transition as weird and hilarious. Could there be a person listening who is at a very precarious time in their life that doesn't consider their gender to be weird and hilarious? In fact it is probably very serious and very scary to face the realities of that situation - I don't have the slightest idea but by attempting empathy I can make an educated guess that calling it weird and hilarious is unkind, even if it were to be my sincerely held belief. Or how about snidely calling the woman Jenner hit a "real" woman. Making that distinction is a clear signal to a transgender woman that you are considered inferior to a "real" woman. The only function of that comment was to belittle and humiliate. Rogan doesn't know anything about the woman he is calling "real" - she could dropkick kittens in her spare time for all he knows - but he is making a clear statement here that she is superior because her gender matches the organs she was born with.

The real thing that is going on here is that these three are very cleverly hiding behind the smokescreen of a ridiculous request - consider Jenner a hero for transitioning to a woman - in order to push back against an extremely reasonable request - don't judge, belittle, humiliate, and smear. I find it dishonest, and its too bad because I think the message that Jenner should not be receiving this PC free pass is a good one. I would love to be able to endorse that message, but I can't do it in the context of the rest of this rubbish.

[–]RustyKh 41ポイント42ポイント  (12子コメント)

I mean Joe is a comedian. It doesn't give him a free pass on being an asshole, and I really don't think he was intentionally being an asshole, but you can't expect regular dudes like Joe to always be that considerate. It's essentially a bunch of guys spitballing, of course they may say things that aren't sensitive. Joe is a little lowbrow, and he is first to readily admit it, so getting frustrated at his lack of total political correctness seems a tad too much.

[–]saucylove 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

I agree. He's on his own fucking podcast, in full rant mode. Tranny unfortunately was the word that happened to come out of his mouth. Not like he would scream "tranny!" at every trans person he meets.

[–]lolstaz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The part I found the most stupid was when whoever that woman was said the shit about "YOU'RE the one being the asshole by not making jokes! You pitty them so much that you don't joke about it because you see them as PATHETIC"

Yeah, okay.

The kindest thing to do is to make fun of this person's life altering decision that many people frown upon. Otherwise YOU'RE the asshole.

[–]elievano 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Powerful tom segura, if you havent already check out tom seguras special on Netflix http://www.netflix.com/watch/70301023