every thread about her has people insisting on calling her "him" or "Bruce," people quoting articles about how it's a mental disability and trans doesn't exist[...]and people are rightly called transphobic for saying them.

I know a lot of people like this that don't and wouldn't treat anyone that questioned and transitioned their gender as less of a person.

But people aren't confusing them, they are attacking people even if their general opinion is to support the movement, people say this is transphobic if it doesn't fit EXACTLY want i believe you shouldn't think or say.

Its interesting cause I believe transgender is primarily a result of our current society to accept gender roles as a fluid definition. So you get people making choices that are caused by gender dysphoria, but is gender dysphoria a result of cultural pressures during our development? Why would someone change their body if they can be whatever gender they want? I don't mean later in life, i mean if media, society, parents, teachers and other school mates saw it the same. Your sexual organs would just be a manifestation of how you reproduce. Not what you wear, how you act, ect. But currently no matter how far we have come in the gay and bi-sexuality rights we still have a cultural that have a high expectation set on each gender from even an infant age. Anyways its a question we can't answer yet without time. But most important is these people are people that aren't fitting the mold we designed and are suffering cause of it, be it cause they are in the wrong body or cultural pressure (though the real answer is never black and white and is probably a combination, i am arguing the majority fit the latter).

I have been labeled a transphobic cause of that view. Also been labeled homophobic cause I believe some gay people make a choice to be gay. I believe choice should be protected as much as someone born a certain way, especially if that choice affects no one else but that persons pursuit of happiness. I argue nothing is black and white and by arguing born vs choice against these conservative egg heads diminishes the possibility it is a choice also. Keeping it ambiguous in the debate focus on the real issue, these are people not harming you just wanting to do whatever they can to be happy in life and find their mate.

Having different views of the 'general' public that are on the side of the 'progressiveness' still gets you labeled. Its kinda of infuriating cause I am still a person who'd fight for peoples right to be happy. Same with some people who refuse to call someone 'him' or 'her'. We make an assumption based on other they are a hater, yet i've seen plenty people like that, that still wish we had a society were people weren't actively hateful towards transgenders.

You can't force people to think exactly like the group they want to. Its obvious in my opinion what created this issue in the first place they are cultivating new issues themselves, creating strict cultural pressure of societal expectations.

Anyways, you obviously aren't these people that would label me and jump quickly to attack the other people. It just seems strange that these people standing up for transgender would want everyone they can get on their side, not pick and choose based on what they agree with.

I had a friend who was a cross-dresser. Grew up in the 70/80s, much older than me. But he wanted to become a transgender, but back then it was very difficult to even try. So he bottled it up and eventually moved to Austin. Thats where I worked for a bit. We were pretty good co-workers and we hanged out a bit. He is comfortable who he is now, just being a cross-dresser. Thing is he calls EVERYONE a 'she'. He doesn't use any other gender pronouns but female for everyone. So i'd just call him a 'him'. Also cause he was totally a dude/bro with us and a chick at the same time. But he didn't care, he never once told me "Mind if you call me a she?". I got yelled at by a co-worker cause I wouldn't call him a she. I said he never identified that way with me, also he calls everyone a 'she', he is not running a campaign on what people should call him and disregards anyone elses gender pronouns. He didn't do it out of disrespect, he honestly just didn't care about gender pronouns.

But this co-worker who called me transphobic and was very hostile to me at work over it, completely ignored the fact i'd call one of our waiters a she all the time who was a transgender, totally looked like a dude though, and introduced themselves as a female.

But I am transphobic cause I don't fit that other person perfect perception of what she thinks the world should be. Even though Andy didn't care, didn't ask me, and never ever introduced himself as anything other than a male.

/rant

I think a lot of people that are supporters that aren't actually dealing with these situation (non gays, bi or trans) sometime forget what the objective is. None of the above people would consider anyone against them if their heart says to stand up for them as they are human.

Example: If someone said
" They may be faggots, but faggots deserve to be happy too"

I doubt any transgender, gay or bi would tell them to fuck off and not help get gays or anyone the right to marry and not be discriminated against. But it seems like other forget the objective and would rather spend time bashing that person.

So it bothers me cause you can't change the extreme opinion by rejecting every progress they've made to change their position. Its rare anyone swings from one stance to the other in a black and white fashion, its always gradual. But some people would fight anyone that makes any progress in their outdate and more harmful mindset even if that person supports the ultimate goal the group is trying to achieve.