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[–]VirginWizard69 110ポイント111ポイント  (19子コメント)

Democrats: One white guy and a white woman.

Republicans: Two Cubans, a woman, a black and an Indian.

But the Democrats are the party of diversity and the Republicans are the racists.

[–]rainyforest 110ポイント111ポイント  (9子コメント)

The race of the candidates shouldn't matter at all for who is racist and who isn't.

[–]FWolf 78ポイント79ポイント  (5子コメント)

This seems to be exactly his point.

[–]trahan94 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's actually interesting. You can change the meaning of the top comment just by whether you read the last line with sarcasm or not.

[–]pcyr9999 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

I automatically assumed it was sarcasm, because if the Republican Party is racist, how would minority politicians have gotten any support?

[–]wolfman1911 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

A lot of Democrats said some amazingly racist things in praise of Obama when he was running for president. No less than Biden praised him saying that he was the first black Presidential candidate that was 'clean and articulate'. I also seem to recall Harry Reid saying something similar, but I can't be bothered to look it up.

[–]FWolf -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This reminds me of a Boston Legal episode where Denny Crane gets in trouble for saying a black lawyer that was interviewing in CPS was very "articulate"and, when confronted about it, "well... he doesn't sound black!".

[–]FWolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can't simply read that post without any trace of sarcasm in the last line. If you did, that means your reading ended with your head exploding...

[–]VirginWizard69 41ポイント42ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell that to the Democrats.

[–]Mindfulmanners 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell that to the 2008-2012 far leftists. It's amazing to see them completely silent on this fact.

[–]TeaPartyOverlordSupporter 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Clintons aren't racist, they have repeatedly assured us they have lots of black friends. /s

[–]BuffAncestor 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

a black

[–]Gorillagodzilla 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah shit, we ARE racist!

(I'm kidding, I am so sorry, I am totally kidding!)

[–]pilki301 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are a bunch of Dems that weren't really ready to step up and run, though. People that are probably going to be running in the future... The Castro brothers, Kamela Harris, Cory Booker etc. Not saying that any of these people are any good, or would run for president or not, but diversity in the 5 democrats running or the 12-13 Republicans running isn't really that relevant. There is no point for any of those people to waste their time trying to run for president when the DNC is stacking the deck for Hillary to get the nomination.

[–]merch007 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course we would like to see their birth certifactes.

[–]wolfman1911 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, the Democrats found two or three other old white guys to be in the debate.

[–]lukekvas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, we'll just wait an see who minority voters pick....

[–]LifeGaveMeLlamasAnti-Liberal 81ポイント82ポイント  (2子コメント)

Holy shit, the downvotes in this thread. Nobody say anything bad about Lord Bern.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

Berniebots

[–]CersoxLibertarian Conservative 30ポイント31ポイント  (31子コメント)

Sweden actually bends over backwards for their minorities.

[–]recentlyunearthed 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The largest minority in Sweden is Finns. Not exactly an open immigration policy.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 29ポイント30ポイント  (14子コメント)

How's that working out?

[–]CersoxLibertarian Conservative 65ポイント66ポイント  (12子コメント)

Well, their precious LGBT community has wanted to parade through the Muslim ghettos, the Muslims want Shari'a law, and both sides are threatening retaliatory actions if the government does/doesn't intervene. So I guess things are going as well as you'd expect.

[–]VirginWizard69 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let me grab the popcorn. I want to see that brawl.

[–]blooddidntwork 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is there a way we can export a Second Amendment?

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fuck them, they gave up their rights, now they have to live with the hell they created for themselves.

[–]blooddidntwork 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Eh, not all of Europe. We can let Sweden be the sacrificial lamb showing what happens when you take a liberal immigration policy and Islamic tolerance to its logical extent, but the rest of Europe needs to take up arms and excise the PC virus. I actually want to travel there one day and kiss my gf/wife under the Eiffel Tower without being thrown in jail for breaking Sharia Law.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sharia Law or not, no country in Europe or the Commonwealth is free anyways.

[–]blooddidntwork 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The root cause of it is political correctness. That is destroying Europe from the inside out.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No the cause is a population of leftists. Political correctness is just a symptom of the cancer that is liberalism.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

And SAAB is bust.

[–]CersoxLibertarian Conservative 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

True, but SAAB spent ass-loads of cash making their cars as robust as humanly possible. GM tried twice to work with them and SAAB insisted on using their own designs.

Here's a relevant video

[–]CEHepp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Robust".

Can't keep the oil in the sump.

[–]SirPounceTheThirdConstitutionalist/Libertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will never not upvote Top Gear.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great episode!

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say they bend over forwards if you get my meaning.

[–]TheFakeTomTelescoRightward-Most Viable Candidate 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

You sure about that bro? You PC, bro? Edit: NSFW or Not safe for socially conscious Americans or something

I once had a foreign exchange student ask me for some of these and I flipped a shit.

For a country that "bends over backwards for minorities", there is quite a bit of passive, residual racism towards blacks, Jews, etc. And for such a wonderful, free magicland, it's neat how they forced elected politicians to be members of the Church of Sweden until very recently, in a country that's mostly atheist.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually those were also in SA.

[–]CersoxLibertarian Conservative 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, the conservative/reactionary people of Sweden are still living in the 1920s, but their progressive/socialist left wing has gone hardcore SJW.

[–]KingJak117 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

Is that why there is no housing or jobs available?

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

Rapes are doing well though.

[–]TheFakeTomTelescoRightward-Most Viable Candidate 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Same with suicides, IIRC.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Possibly but there's a difference between the two.

[–]lukekvas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean an actual intelligent conservative position would be to point out the fact that all of the European democratic socialist societies have a pretty bad problem with racism and serious tension over immigration issues. Having strong social safety nets at home are extremely popular and people are willing to pay taxes, BUT not for migrants and immigrants who are perceived as the other animals in the story of the little red hen, coming in to take the fruits of the labor.

Now I think its a bit ridiculous to have the same fears in America where compared to countries like Sweden and Denmark it is basically hunger games in America. But, no matter how you slice it there is an inverse relationship between the efficacy of social safety nets and willingness to accept immigration. But the level of the debate in the GOP right now swings between "Build a wall!" and "Cut taxes!" so good luck trying to have a debate which address the nuances of human migration and social services.

[–]blooddidntwork 113ポイント114ポイント  (81子コメント)

Sanders fans are the fucking worst. Weak children who want free shit. But I guess that will happen when you are Santa Claus for a politician.

[–]Bucyruss 63ポイント64ポイント  (56子コメント)

I may be asking for it here, but I think it is unproductive to paint any candidates supporters with one, large brush. As a Sanders supporter I don't fit the description you gave, nor do supporters of any Republican candidate fit one homogeneous description. We all get frustrated looking at the other side and pulling our hair out while unable to figure out how they can support that candidate or that idea. I think we can end up labeling and then writing off a whole section of the populous which polarizes us which leads to us forgetting that we have to compromise with each other to make progress. Even as a liberal who supports Sanders, I can still listen to ideas from conservatives and sometime I agree entirely or in part with them.

[–]jettj14Libertarian Conservative 49ポイント50ポイント  (8子コメント)

I respect you for that. It is indeed dangerous to paint a broad brush when describing any large set of people who identify with a certain idea. There's people on both sides of the aisle who are unwilling to hear other ideas, and I think that is the problem with politics in general.

With that said, we also have to recognize that we're on Reddit, a website where a lot of outspoken users will insult anyone who doesn't believe in democratic socialism or criticizes Bernie Sanders in any way. I'm sure there's a lot of Bernie supporters who are reasonable people and would be willing to debate issues without resorting to insults. But you never see that kind of debate on Reddit without going into a much smaller sub.

My point being, this subreddit serves as an outlet for a lot of people to vent their frustration. The conservative voice on Reddit is rarely heard (unless it's about guns, and even then it's more of a 50-50 split in the threads) because people are quick to downvote any idea that isn't, "socialism is great!"

[–]GrizzledAncient 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm with you on this point. I'm a Sanders supporter, but the amount of articles about him posted on the politics subreddit clearly show the incredible bias that this user base has. I like to pop in here once in a while to see how the conservatives of Reddit think about whatever the new issues are. There's never really a debate, and thats horrible! There are a lot of flaws in plans that fresh eyes will point out!

Do I like a lot of his ideas? For sure, he wouldn't have my vote if I didn't, but there are some where I can see he's just saying things to stir up the anti-1% crowd out there (and lets be honest, the 1% isn't to blame for everything).

Everyone always believe themselves to be justified, so thats why there needs to be a dialogue, something that Reddit is extremely poor at doing, especially in /r/politics.

[–]Frito_Pendejo 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not American, although I'm pretty left-leaning, but I also lurk here every now and then to get another perspective on US politics. The issue with reddit in general is that the upvote/downvote system heavily lends itself to promoting popular ideas and suppressing unpopular ideas. Even subs like CMV are susceptible to this. A cross-political dialogue will never work, even if downvotes are disabled, because it's ultimately easier to upvote those who agree with you and downvote those who don't.

It's a shame, because the few times I've read frank, political discussions that haven't been brigaded to oblivion, it's been fascinating.

[–]rbelmont 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There used to be some really good USENET newsgroups that had solid, and informed political discourse with less rift-raft (or at least seemingly so). But now we have reddit... with it's quasi-anonymity, voting, and exceedingly low barriers to participation. I'm not sure how this is "better", just that it's the new status quo.

[–]stubborn_d0nkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's how people use the upvote/downvote system that is the issue imo; if everybody would follow the reddiquette voting wise then it would be fine.

[–]Condawg 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I like to pop in here once in a while to see how the conservatives of Reddit think about whatever the new issues are.

I'm a liberal who does the same. Hell, this is probably one of my most visited subreddits. I check it at least once a day, sometimes more. Beliefs should be challenged. I don't need to hear a bunch of people agree with me, I need people to point out the flaws in my logic and help me be more well-rounded. I've had some good conversations with people on here. Obviously sometimes you get people who just want to vent, as /u/jettj14 said, but a lot of people are open to productive conversation.

[–]GrizzledAncient 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Like, I think we all agree we want our country to be a bastion of safety, security, and freedom, right? No one party has all the right answers. When we call each other out on our own bullshit, I would hope that we could get to a reasonable middle ground right.

[–]Condawg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely. It's just about being respectful and conceding when someone makes a good point or whatever it is. I never come in here trying to poop on the party. I never downvote people I disagree with. I just want to see what conservatives are thinking about what's going on and maybe engage in some discussion about it. I've had some of my opinions altered by conversations I've had on here, and I hope I've been able to get my ideas across to others. We've gotta work together, and we can't do that if we don't understand where the other side is coming from. Otherwise it's all "they believe this, and I don't get why they believe this, therefore they're evil and shitty people." That's bullshit. Everyone's got reasons for their beliefs, you just have to find out what they are and the beliefs become more real and understandable.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like, I think we all agree we want our country to be a bastion of safety, security, and freedom, right?

No.

[–]Cloughtower 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, see, there's literally nothing on Sanders' platform that I agree with except for the whole marijuana thing, which is going to happen regardless, is long overdue, should never have been illegal in the first place, and needs to be done to all drugs.

There's no compromise. I just pray that we can hold off a socialist for another few elections at least.

What am I saying, we're all so fucked anyway.

[–]blooddidntwork 17ポイント18ポイント  (21子コメント)

well, considering how you are standing at +6 right now, it is no secret to how much liberals infiltrate this sub, but I'll go ahead and make my retort.

All that needs to be pointed out is how poorly Sanders handled two black teenagers who hijacked his podium. He completely folded and surrendered like the weakling he is from the platform he was speaking from. His body language said it all. You want THAT for the leader of the United States? Chief of our Armed Forces? Someone who can't even stand up for himself? You want him talking to Putin, China, or fighting off ISIS from attacking the homeland? Talking about reducing military spending and making us look more like Denmark? A lot of those socialist paradise countries can afford to not have as much military spending because it's subsidized by the US. They know if shit really kicked off, that the US would most likely keep peace if the UN was unable to find a resolution.

And you are children. You want the daddy in the White House you never had to pay for your healthcare, your school, to make sure you're paid enough at your dead end job at the sacrifice of everybody else in this country. Someone to tell you that it isn't your fault and that it's the greedy one percent who have fucked this country up, that it's the fault of huge corporations, meanwhile you are probably browsing reddit on a device designed and manufactured from a large corporation then later bought it from one of those greedy corporate electronics dealers, and you most likely sent in your donation to Sanders through a major credit card company. Meanwhile willfully surrendering your Second Amendment rights in exchange for more government. What rebels you are. blech.

[–]Bucyruss 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

Someone that will let the other side speak and willing to listen to them rather than immediately resort to force or verbal attacks? Yeah, I'm okay with that.

Look, you know nothing about me but it apparently makes you feel good to assume who I am and what my life is like. You come off as a child yourself, calling others names because they don't agree with you; belittling them because it makes you feel superior or some such nonsense.

[–]coldgears 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, I'm a conservative and I think government subsidized schooling is a good thing...

Are you talking about just College? Or are you seriously saying we should take away public schools?

[–]lukekvas 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a liberal I don't feel like I infiltrate this sub. Its not like i'm running around secretly down-voting. I come to hear the conservative position, have a debate (with some users) and generally hone my own political stance and arguments through practice.

[–]blooddidntwork -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then tell your peers to stop with the childish downvoting. It doesn't help your cause.

[–]lukekvas 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes we are a collective group, and I, their leader shall issue the decree

[–]VirginWizard69 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

spot on dude

[–]attosama -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

You got all that from Sanders letting an outraged back teenager speak at his podium? Understandably people were upset, but he walked away and came back bigger at his next rally, adding more focus on the issues of discrimination.

The issues your debunking however are not free things, people are paying into a larger system to reduce the costs of living, it's insurance. If you pay your taxes then you see that money put to good use.

What things in particular upset you? I am up for a reasonable debate to explain why I explain my thoughts.

Just to clear biases up, I'm a young white adult making more than $40K a year, I have great health insurance, and everything I own has been paid out of my own pocket. So the ideas I support do not impact me, but I understand I got to where I am today with opportunities not readily available to those in poverty, and I want to help reduce class inequality.

[–]blooddidntwork 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

He got his podium hijacked like a bitch, And then to hear the protestors call his supporters white racists with all that Sanders did in the Civil Rights Movement.. any person with a lick of self respect would dust off their pimp hand and set them straight. But he didn't. That's a man with no conviction or principle who doesn't belong anywhere near the White House. He has to be a leader, and that means being able to confront adversity when you KNOW you are in the right without letting political correctness get in the way. It's a huge red flag.

I get that whole paying into the pot, and in a perfect society it would work. I'm just pessimistic as to how the government handles and distributes funds. It never works the way it is supposed to. It's never put to good use, ever. I worked delivering wedding cakes as a teen and delivered plenty of cakes financed with food stamps. One was this 4 tiered cake with staircases going to two other cakes that took me like 6 trips going in and out to the car.. that was never the intention of welfare. or health insurance, why should I have to pay for the leeches who sit around all day who do not want to work? why should I be forced to pay for a plan that has to include maternity care? I'm a single male who doesn't have any children (to my knowledge) nor a wife! So why am I forced to have to pay for someone else's kid? Why should I be forced to pay for some fat fuck who sits around eating cheetos while taking a huge slice out of healthcare costs? I don't like being forced to have to pay for a product that I am never going to use, ever.

Everything I own has been paid for by me, I've been financially independent from 19, and I worked my way to get free college through the military. I'm a young Hispanic whose Dad immigrated here. It sucks for people living in poverty, I've had my share of rice dinners while my Dad was unemployed for years. Doing this whole free college and single payer healthcare and whatever else Sanders is trying to do with making the government larger is the wrong way. Yes, I think rising college costs should be quelled substantially, but I also think not everyone is cut out for a 4 yr university.

And lastly, Sanders trying to erode the second amendment is borderline traitorous IMO. Again, showing no conviction or principle by saying he wants to ban Assault Weapons. It's truly the mark of someone who does not understand numbers or the fundamentals of an issue.

And I also do not understand exactly how reducing income inequality is going to work. Are we going to start evaluating what people should and shouldn't have? How much is too much money? Or racial equality, I don't understand that one either. They sound great, like making everyone equal, but I question what those buzzwords mean exactly.

[–]soylent_absintheConservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it is unproductive to paint any candidates supporters with one, large brush

Unfortunately, the bottom line is that Sanders supporters support taking more of my money by threat of imprisonment or confiscation of my property so they can have subsidized/free stuff. With all due respect, I don't really feel the need to compromise with you at all. I hope your candidate fails, but do wish you all the best otherwise.

[–]Cemlub -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you support a candidate or ascribe to a political party you have no other option but to be painted by one large broad brush. If you support Bernie, give him your money, attend his rallies, cheer on his policies, you are going to be labeled as a socialist who wants more free stuff and wishes the Government was run more like the North Pole. You can't get all the support from your liberal brothers without getting a derisive view from conservatives. You just don't get it both ways.

[–]HuekaiserEsNumeroUno 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Serious question : how old are you?

[–]digger64 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Modern American politics: nothing but name calling and personality trashing. Why not pull a Dennis Miller and make your most devastating put-downs center on fashion sense?

[–]Ciik 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

Yep. This socialist is anti-natural, not worried about destroying personal initiative. What was once an Obama Phone will become a Sanders Phone.

[–]SidneyBechetLibertarian Conservative 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

Just remember, it started out as a Bush phone.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Landline.

[–]SidneyBechetLibertarian Conservative 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

What's your point? We all know government prgrams only grow and expand.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

What's yours?

[–]SidneyBechetLibertarian Conservative 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

My point is this program was started by a Republican. It expanded under Obama but I have no doubt it would have expanded under the McCain administration. I.e. Government programs almost always get bigger and broader.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

My point is having a landline to call 911 and make local calls is one thing, expanding it to cell phones where you can browse the web and do a variety of other things is another point, something your "Bush phone" comment ignores.

[–]SidneyBechetLibertarian Conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then why didn't you just say that? That is a good point.

My rebutal is what if your out and have an emergency and need to call 911. That would be the argument for including cell phones. The whole thing is just a glimps at what happens when government creates a program to help people. It's always well intentioned but ends up growing and growing.

[–]baldyloxSocial Libertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But we'd all have to have Sanders Phones, so everything would be equal.

[–]red1mmy -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

maybe this is relevant here http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

[–]badkarmavenger 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

What the Obama phone program did was to extend coverage from the home phone to a cell phone. Also, while taxes are not used, the funding does come from people who do not qualify for the program vis-a-vis an increase being built in to the monthly bill. While I understand that it's not a free cell phone being handed out by the federal government I do believe that it is an unnecessary luxury (the cell phone part, not having a low-cost landline for low-income folks) funded by government mandate. I don't care what the origin of the name is or whether Obama had anything to do with it

[–]throwaway2arguewithNeoconservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's not a free cell phone being handed out by the federal government

Yes it is. When the phone company is forced (by the federal government) to give away phones, it is no different than taxing the phone companies customers and using the taxes to provide Obamaphones.

[–]badkarmavenger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is certainly sold that way by the democrats, but it's just semantics that we're arguing at this point. I think we agree on the issue.

[–]theBergmeister -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sander Claus

[–]tacos_pizza_beer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No surprise then that reddit loves the guy. This site is full of Peter Pan syndrome morons.

[–]Iamninja28 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I now understand why 99% of Reddit wants him. They dont give a shit about his politics, they just want him to give them all handouts so they can be on Reddit all day instead of being productive members of society (not like liberals were to begin with).

[–]joelmooner 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have a good point, as a 16 year old I am surrounded by a large amount of sanders supports at my school. A majority of them are pretty lazy and want life handed to them.

[–]seltzeronmydesk -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't generalize all supporters. A majority are supporting him for the wrong reasons but a lot of people have a valid reason. I have a buddy pursuing a computer science major at a top university with an AI specialization. He is supporting Sanders because he thinks in a matter of 20 years the labor force will be a fraction of what it is now and most things will be automated. Although I don't think Sanders or socialism is the answer, in 8 years we will need a candidate who will address this issue in their main platform.

[–]G0PACKGONot a very good troll (LOL DO U GAY MARAGE CONSERVATIVE?) -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like sanders... but I want nothing and my taxes would increase incredibly...

[–]absurdadam1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please, please, please don't become like Europe America, it's essential that you don't become like Europe.

[–]Chest-Rockwell- 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate Bernie for the same reason people hate Donald Trump. He has a pissed off little rat face. Ghettos across America have been run by democrat supported government programs since the 60s. Nothing has changed.

[–]JustCallMeKev 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am ashamed of the "well informed" voters my age (22). It's like they've never read a history book before

[–]beaverlakenc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on history book I guess, some frame slavery as worker migrations......

[–]isurvivedanattack56 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This makes me happy.

[–]Randlehandle85 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That bern they feel is actually retarded herpes.

[–]anonymous_reddituser 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vermont is the second whitest state in the union...Utah has us beat. Still not voting for any self admitted damn commie though.

[–]Hello0897 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (36子コメント)

Can someone explain why Sander's is so terrible? I definitely think some of his ideas are too radical, though they are certainly in the right direction. Affordable education, taking away power from big businesses, and wanting an actual livable standard of living for our lowest class.

Also, I haven't seen any non white, non privileged politicians with actual experience doing anything, so you could copy and paste this argument for anyone.

[–]Natetendo83 53ポイント54ポイント  (8子コメント)

What he wants is not necessarily what's bad about him. Yea Wall Street is corrupt, college is too expensive, wages are terrible, etc etc etc. And on just about every account of what's wrong with America he is spot on.

But knowing the problem doesn't mean you have the best solution for the problem. His solutions would do more harm than good in the long run. All he is doing is pointing out what people are frustrated with and that is giving him a fan base of people who don't understand economics but fall in line for his pandering.

[–]Hello0897 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Okay, this certainly makes sense.

Who would you say has the best solutions? And what are they?

All I see is people bashing other people, or pointing at some idea and saying it is wrong. I have yet to see any concrete plans of how to change anything. Does anyone know where I can find actual plans? or do they simply not exist?

[–]RaleighDAD -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Here is a great video that explains is SSecurity plan. Very straight forward.

[–]Oldschool1964 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ahhh Bernie, never met a government program he didn't want to expand, no matter how inept the federal government is at running the things they SHOULD be running. If social security is so great, why does the government abuse it? Why do they continue to steal from the imaginary "lock box" that should be truly separate from those other fund cites he refers to in the video?

[–]RaleighDAD 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

This table shows that admin costs are less then 1%. .07% specifically, I would say that is very effectively run. The average 401k fund can have admin cost of 3-4% range. http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/admin.html

I will agree that SS funds should not be used for the general upkeep of govt, but I don't know what that has to do with expanding it or raising the take home amount for the average person on SS.

[–]for_lolz -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Social Security is a huge reason for the deficit. At this point, it's simply unsustainable. When it was made in the thirties, it was intended to help people live out the last several years of their life in comfort, not support folks for 30+ years after retirement. In and of itself, the social security fund consumes over half the nations revenue.

[–]RaleighDAD 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are mistaken in your first part that SS is s huge reason for the deficit. SS is funded by the payroll tax you pay 6% and your employer pays 6% on the first 118k in income. It does not contribute to the deficit. At the current rate of incoming payroll contribution, SS can pay out for the next 18 years in full.

[However, if you remove the cap and start taxing again at the 250k rate or higher then SS is fully funded for 50 years.]

(http://rooseveltinstitute.org/ignore-deficit-hawks-social-security-easy-fix)

I will concede your point that SS was not meant to last the average person 30+ years. But as you can see, a fix is very easy and that is with current life expediencies.

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    [–]RaleighDAD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My favorite idea of his is to remove the cap on SS so that everyone above 250k starts paying back into SS so that it will last forever.

    Also, I like the concept of giving people on SS a little more money. With corporations getting rid of Pensions, times are going to be tough for seniors.

    [–]Randlehandle85 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

    There is no such thing as a free lunch or in this case, college or anything else he wants to "give" people. They say it's a robin hood tax but that money will come out of our pocket, not the multi millionaires. Also with raising the minimum wage it will only make it harder to find a job for the less educated. If I need to hire someone and I'm being forced to pay them 15/hr then I'm gunna look for the smartest fucker I can find to fill that job. The real problem hear is the taxing of businesses into oblivion. If I want a raise then my boss has to pay twice that amount because of taxes, making it harder for me to get a raise. I typed this from my phone so I know someone will say I'm wrong because I misspelled something or whatever. That's the most common argument I see now days.

    [–]tommygunz007 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I want to jump in, to explore BOTH sides of what you say. Big business, such as Apple, has hidden billions overseas legally to avoid paying taxes. So the tax burden comes on small business owners who don't make ENOUGH to store money overseas. So small businesses get creamed. To make matters worse, labor is the key to their survival. High labor can kill their business, causing many small businesses to close. However, it's a dog-eat-dog world, and in order for small businesses to SURVIVE they need to pay MORE so that they can in return get MORE customers. If you have a small Walmart town, everyone is making minimum wage, subsidized health by the govt (and welfare in cases where they don't work full time), and only ONE GUY is making enough to buy a car, so the car dealership closes because there is no middle class workers. It's a double edged sword, as big businesses (and yes, Apple and Walmart are both guilty) hide billions of tax dollars that would fix about 80% of the roads, infrastructure, schools, etc, but when you take that community money out of a community and put it in the Caymans, it cripples the local town. Really small businesses need to pay NO tax, and higher wages so it evens out, and BIG companies should not be allowed to stick money overseas, and pay the billions in tax.

    [–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

    though they are certainly in the right direction.

    No they're not. Forcing you to pay for something and then calling it free doesn't make it free.

    Also, I haven't seen any non white, non privileged politicians with actual experience doing anything, so you could copy and paste this argument for anyone.

    edit: oh, you're one of those. lol

    [–]Hello0897 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Obviously nothing is free. The problem here is seeing who should pay for what. A good education should be available to everyone, which is the direction I am speaking of.

    What I am I one of? It would be nice to see you actually respond to my argument, rather than just claim I am stupid. Or maybe you are just of those...

    [–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Of course it should be available to everyone (which it is). It shouldn't be available free on the backs of others, which, as you've mentioned, is included in the "who should pay for what" part of your reply. The answer is you should pay for you and I should pay for me.

    [–]Hello0897 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Yeah, and when colleges are run like businesses, the middle to lower class cannot afford to go. Kids fresh out of highschool are selling their soul to get loans to try and get a degree in something they arent even sure they want to do yet. So sure, it is available to everyone, the same way that a Porsche is.

    [–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Of course they can afford to go: that's what loans are for, and if they pick feminist studies or some useless degree with literally no real-world applications, it's their fault for being fucking idiots and they need to live with the consequences.

    [–]murdermeformysins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    u do realize most people dont major in that shit right? college degrees dont pay out what people put into them unless you pick a very specific field and make good connections and that's silly

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      [–]FWolf 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Dude, this is very, very complex, it's not an answer you can get on a forum thread on the internet, already "ELI5ed" for you. Any short answer here would be absolutely insufficient and would not grasp the severity of the details. It seems like a simple enough matter, but it really isn't.

      A sincere and honest tip I'd give you: start reading. ASAP. I'd start you on some Edmund Burke and Roger Scruton.

      [–]Hello0897 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yeah I was hoping more for a link to some good reading on the matter, rather than someone on here explain it themselves. I will definitely check out your suggestions!

      I don't know much about all of this, but I want to learn. I am an undergrad physics major, so most of the people I talk to also do not know what they are talking about.

      Are there any news sights that try to stick to only hard facts, and educated reasoning? Cause just about everything I've found is biased in some way, or completely ignorant in another.

      Any advice for my journey forward would help. I don't really know where to begin.

      [–]FWolf -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It is important to learn about all of this. I doesn't matter if you're a doctor, a physicist or an astronaut - professions that, at first glance, would have nothing to do with any of this -, we all live in the same world and are subject to all these elements, in one level or another.

      On the topic of news, well, the short answer for your question is actually no. There is no one trustable and unbiased source. And the reason is very simple: if your're a Democrat, you're going to read on the facts and tell the story with a left-wing bias, same for republicans. It's almost impossible for this not to happen. What you can do is read from as many sources as possible. With time, you'll be able to detect the bullshit and will sort the sources out. It will go pretty much like this.

      Advices for your journey? Well, yeah, I've got some. The process is not easy, but fairly simple.

      Firstly, How to read a book, by Mortimer Jerome Adler. If you think you know how to read, well, read this book (especially the 2nd chapter) and come back to me. I've also got the recommendation, from a great philosofer that deals A LOT on the subjects that we've been talking about, of reading Another Sort of Learning, by James V. Schall, and The House of Intellect, by Jacques Barzun. Then, get to The Trivium, by Sister Miriam Joseph. It's the basis for the liberal arts. I'm myself starting to go through it.

      With this, get to reading A LOT of Socrates (the Dialogues of Plato) and Aristotle. These guys are the basis of western philosphy. Then Thomas d'Aquino (or Thomas Aquinas), Liebniz, Schelling and Husserl, suck on all of the knowledge from the Austrian School of the first half of the 20th century and dissect everything on Edmund Burke and Roger Scruton.

      THEN, and only then, get to Marx, Engels, Nietsche, Foucault, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Lukacs, Adorno, Gramsci, Kolakowski.

      This will take you some years of very disciplined study to get through. But when you do, if you're still impressed or fooled by what these last ones say, sorry to tell you, but you're stupid.

      And never forget you simply must be in constant contact with high culture. You can't grow a forest on poor soil.

      If you need any more tips, PM me.

      Edit: grammar.

      [–]MortimusGorgon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I would be genuinely amazed if anyone in this sub could define and describe the systems of european socialism they hate so much without consulting Google first

      [–]zeeshopper -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      For all the Berniebots invading this thread, welcome!

      [–]imColey -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      White kid with an iPhone checking in. Bernie Sanders makes me physically cringe.

      [–]fortybattletoad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      People who think having a different president would fix everything..

      [–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      his presidency would come apart like a Chinese bicycle so quickly it wouldn't even be funny. Glad he has literally no chance in any post-primary (even if he pulled off the unimaginable and got the Democratic nomination).

      [–]legalizehazing -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lol awesome

      [–]theBergmeister -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We do need to be more like Scandinavia, just a thousand years ago though.

      [–]scantrell24 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      That's a nice straw man argument, OP

      [–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How?

      [–]resoner -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Canadian liberal here.... This is pretty funny

      [–]tommygunz007 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ooh.. my comments about Bernie:

      So here is the deal. Bill Clinton, when he first ran for office, said that he couldn't promise anything because he never was President and didn't know what to expect. Obama just pandered to the audience, saying anything to get elected, and Bernie is doing the same thing.

      But here is the real deal America, the real deal is once you are elected, you are pulled into a tiny room with a bunch of very important people, who basically tell you that whatever you said, whatever you thought you were going to do, you can't do. You know how I know this? Because every candidate makes TONS of promises and once elected, they just can't fix it. Sure, they want to deep down, but there is so much money and power that you can't. It is like.. imagine you are playing a game of chess. Everyone knows how to play chess (to get elected). But, every Presidential candidate gets on tv and says, WE WILL CHANGE THE GAME, Bishops will now be Kings, Rooks will now be Bishops. But you and I know, that once you sit down to play chess, you abide by the rules of the game. The game never changes, no matter how much you think you can change it.