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[–]LifeGaveMeLlamasAnti-Liberal 58ポイント59ポイント  (2子コメント)

Holy shit, the downvotes in this thread. Nobody say anything bad about Lord Bern.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

Berniebots

[–]VirginWizard69 73ポイント74ポイント  (12子コメント)

Democrats: One white guy and a white woman.

Republicans: Two Cubans, a woman, a black and an Indian.

But the Democrats are the party of diversity and the Republicans are the racists.

[–]rainyforest 71ポイント72ポイント  (6子コメント)

The race of the candidates shouldn't matter at all for who is racist and who isn't.

[–]FWolf 55ポイント56ポイント  (2子コメント)

This seems to be exactly his point.

[–]trahan94 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's actually interesting. You can change the meaning of the top comment just by whether you read the last line with sarcasm or not.

[–]pcyr9999 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I automatically assumed it was sarcasm, because if the Republican Party is racist, how would minority politicians have gotten any support?

[–]VirginWizard69 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell that to the Democrats.

[–]Mindfulmanners 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell that to the 2008-2012 far leftists. It's amazing to see them completely silent on this fact.

[–]BuffAncestor 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

a black

[–]Gorillagodzilla 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah shit, we ARE racist!

(I'm kidding, I am so sorry, I am totally kidding!)

[–]TeaPartyOverlordSupporter 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Clintons aren't racist, they have repeatedly assured us they have lots of black friends. /s

[–]lukekvas -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, we'll just wait an see who minority voters pick....

[–]CersoxLibertarian Conservative 29ポイント30ポイント  (31子コメント)

Sweden actually bends over backwards for their minorities.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say they bend over forwards if you get my meaning.

[–]recentlyunearthed 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The largest minority in Sweden is Finns. Not exactly an open immigration policy.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 29ポイント30ポイント  (14子コメント)

How's that working out?

[–]CersoxLibertarian Conservative 58ポイント59ポイント  (12子コメント)

Well, their precious LGBT community has wanted to parade through the Muslim ghettos, the Muslims want Shari'a law, and both sides are threatening retaliatory actions if the government does/doesn't intervene. So I guess things are going as well as you'd expect.

[–]VirginWizard69 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let me grab the popcorn. I want to see that brawl.

[–]blooddidntwork 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is there a way we can export a Second Amendment?

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fuck them, they gave up their rights, now they have to live with the hell they created for themselves.

[–]blooddidntwork 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Eh, not all of Europe. We can let Sweden be the sacrificial lamb showing what happens when you take a liberal immigration policy and Islamic tolerance to its logical extent, but the rest of Europe needs to take up arms and excise the PC virus. I actually want to travel there one day and kiss my gf/wife under the Eiffel Tower without being thrown in jail for breaking Sharia Law.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sharia Law or not, no country in Europe or the Commonwealth is free anyways.

[–]blooddidntwork 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The root cause of it is political correctness. That is destroying Europe from the inside out.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No the cause is a population of leftists. Political correctness is just a symptom of the cancer that is liberalism.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

And SAAB is bust.

[–]CersoxLibertarian Conservative 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

True, but SAAB spent ass-loads of cash making their cars as robust as humanly possible. GM tried twice to work with them and SAAB insisted on using their own designs.

Here's a relevant video

[–]CEHepp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Robust".

Can't keep the oil in the sump.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great episode!

[–]SirPounceTheThirdConstitutionalist/Libertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will never not upvote Top Gear.

[–]KingJak117 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

Is that why there is no housing or jobs available?

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

Rapes are doing well though.

[–]TheFakeTomTelescoRightward-Most Viable Candidate 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Same with suicides, IIRC.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Possibly but there's a difference between the two.

[–]TheFakeTomTelescoRightward-Most Viable Candidate 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

You sure about that bro? You PC, bro? Edit: NSFW or Not safe for socially conscious Americans or something

I once had a foreign exchange student ask me for some of these and I flipped a shit.

For a country that "bends over backwards for minorities", there is quite a bit of passive, residual racism towards blacks, Jews, etc. And for such a wonderful, free magicland, it's neat how they forced elected politicians to be members of the Church of Sweden until very recently, in a country that's mostly atheist.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually those were also in SA.

[–]CersoxLibertarian Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, the conservative/reactionary people of Sweden are still living in the 1920s, but their progressive/socialist left wing has gone hardcore SJW.

[–]lukekvas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean an actual intelligent conservative position would be to point out the fact that all of the European democratic socialist societies have a pretty bad problem with racism and serious tension over immigration issues. Having strong social safety nets at home are extremely popular and people are willing to pay taxes, BUT not for migrants and immigrants who are perceived as the other animals in the story of the little red hen, coming in to take the fruits of the labor.

Now I think its a bit ridiculous to have the same fears in America where compared to countries like Sweden and Denmark it is basically hunger games in America. But, no matter how you slice it there is an inverse relationship between the efficacy of social safety nets and willingness to accept immigration. But the level of the debate in the GOP right now swings between "Build a wall!" and "Cut taxes!" so good luck trying to have a debate which address the nuances of human migration and social services.

[–]blooddidntwork 95ポイント96ポイント  (53子コメント)

Sanders fans are the fucking worst. Weak children who want free shit. But I guess that will happen when you are Santa Claus for a politician.

[–]Bucyruss 32ポイント33ポイント  (40子コメント)

I may be asking for it here, but I think it is unproductive to paint any candidates supporters with one, large brush. As a Sanders supporter I don't fit the description you gave, nor do supporters of any Republican candidate fit one homogeneous description. We all get frustrated looking at the other side and pulling our hair out while unable to figure out how they can support that candidate or that idea. I think we can end up labeling and then writing off a whole section of the populous which polarizes us which leads to us forgetting that we have to compromise with each other to make progress. Even as a liberal who supports Sanders, I can still listen to ideas from conservatives and sometime I agree entirely or in part with them.

[–]jettj14Libertarian Conservative 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

I respect you for that. It is indeed dangerous to paint a broad brush when describing any large set of people who identify with a certain idea. There's people on both sides of the aisle who are unwilling to hear other ideas, and I think that is the problem with politics in general.

With that said, we also have to recognize that we're on Reddit, a website where a lot of outspoken users will insult anyone who doesn't believe in democratic socialism or criticizes Bernie Sanders in any way. I'm sure there's a lot of Bernie supporters who are reasonable people and would be willing to debate issues without resorting to insults. But you never see that kind of debate on Reddit without going into a much smaller sub.

My point being, this subreddit serves as an outlet for a lot of people to vent their frustration. The conservative voice on Reddit is rarely heard (unless it's about guns, and even then it's more of a 50-50 split in the threads) because people are quick to downvote any idea that isn't, "socialism is great!"

[–]GrizzledAncient 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm with you on this point. I'm a Sanders supporter, but the amount of articles about him posted on the politics subreddit clearly show the incredible bias that this user base has. I like to pop in here once in a while to see how the conservatives of Reddit think about whatever the new issues are. There's never really a debate, and thats horrible! There are a lot of flaws in plans that fresh eyes will point out!

Do I like a lot of his ideas? For sure, he wouldn't have my vote if I didn't, but there are some where I can see he's just saying things to stir up the anti-1% crowd out there (and lets be honest, the 1% isn't to blame for everything).

Everyone always believe themselves to be justified, so thats why there needs to be a dialogue, something that Reddit is extremely poor at doing, especially in /r/politics.

[–]Frito_Pendejo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not American, although I'm pretty left-leaning, but I also lurk here every now and then to get another perspective on US politics. The issue with reddit in general is that the upvote/downvote system heavily lends itself to promoting popular ideas and suppressing unpopular ideas. Even subs like CMV are susceptible to this. A cross-political dialogue will never work, even if downvotes are disabled, because it's ultimately easier to upvote those who agree with you and downvote those who don't.

It's a shame, because the few times I've read frank, political discussions that haven't been brigaded to oblivion, it's been fascinating.

[–]Condawg 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I like to pop in here once in a while to see how the conservatives of Reddit think about whatever the new issues are.

I'm a liberal who does the same. Hell, this is probably one of my most visited subreddits. I check it at least once a day, sometimes more. Beliefs should be challenged. I don't need to hear a bunch of people agree with me, I need people to point out the flaws in my logic and help me be more well-rounded. I've had some good conversations with people on here. Obviously sometimes you get people who just want to vent, as /u/jettj14 said, but a lot of people are open to productive conversation.

[–]GrizzledAncient 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like, I think we all agree we want our country to be a bastion of safety, security, and freedom, right? No one party has all the right answers. When we call each other out on our own bullshit, I would hope that we could get to a reasonable middle ground right.

[–]Condawg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely. It's just about being respectful and conceding when someone makes a good point or whatever it is. I never come in here trying to poop on the party. I never downvote people I disagree with. I just want to see what conservatives are thinking about what's going on and maybe engage in some discussion about it. I've had some of my opinions altered by conversations I've had on here, and I hope I've been able to get my ideas across to others. We've gotta work together, and we can't do that if we don't understand where the other side is coming from. Otherwise it's all "they believe this, and I don't get why they believe this, therefore they're evil and shitty people." That's bullshit. Everyone's got reasons for their beliefs, you just have to find out what they are and the beliefs become more real and understandable.

[–]Cloughtower 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, see, there's literally nothing on Sanders' platform that I agree with except for the whole marijuana thing, which is going to happen regardless, is long overdue, should never have been illegal in the first place, and needs to be done to all drugs.

There's no compromise. I just pray that we can hold off a socialist for another few elections at least.

What am I saying, we're all so fucked anyway.

[–]blooddidntwork 22ポイント23ポイント  (17子コメント)

well, considering how you are standing at +6 right now, it is no secret to how much liberals infiltrate this sub, but I'll go ahead and make my retort.

All that needs to be pointed out is how poorly Sanders handled two black teenagers who hijacked his podium. He completely folded and surrendered like the weakling he is from the platform he was speaking from. His body language said it all. You want THAT for the leader of the United States? Chief of our Armed Forces? Someone who can't even stand up for himself? You want him talking to Putin, China, or fighting off ISIS from attacking the homeland? Talking about reducing military spending and making us look more like Denmark? A lot of those socialist paradise countries can afford to not have as much military spending because it's subsidized by the US. They know if shit really kicked off, that the US would most likely keep peace if the UN was unable to find a resolution.

And you are children. You want the daddy in the White House you never had to pay for your healthcare, your school, to make sure you're paid enough at your dead end job at the sacrifice of everybody else in this country. Someone to tell you that it isn't your fault and that it's the greedy one percent who have fucked this country up, that it's the fault of huge corporations, meanwhile you are probably browsing reddit on a device designed and manufactured from a large corporation then later bought it from one of those greedy corporate electronics dealers, and you most likely sent in your donation to Sanders through a major credit card company. Meanwhile willfully surrendering your Second Amendment rights in exchange for more government. What rebels you are. blech.

[–]Bucyruss 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

Someone that will let the other side speak and willing to listen to them rather than immediately resort to force or verbal attacks? Yeah, I'm okay with that.

Look, you know nothing about me but it apparently makes you feel good to assume who I am and what my life is like. You come off as a child yourself, calling others names because they don't agree with you; belittling them because it makes you feel superior or some such nonsense.

[–]lukekvas 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a liberal I don't feel like I infiltrate this sub. Its not like i'm running around secretly down-voting. I come to hear the conservative position, have a debate (with some users) and generally hone my own political stance and arguments through practice.

[–]coldgears 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, I'm a conservative and I think government subsidized schooling is a good thing...

Are you talking about just College? Or are you seriously saying we should take away public schools?

[–]attosama -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You got all that from Sanders letting an outraged back teenager speak at his podium? Understandably people were upset, but he walked away and came back bigger at his next rally, adding more focus on the issues of discrimination.

The issues your debunking however are not free things, people are paying into a larger system to reduce the costs of living, it's insurance. If you pay your taxes then you see that money put to good use.

What things in particular upset you? I am up for a reasonable debate to explain why I explain my thoughts.

Just to clear biases up, I'm a young white adult making more than $40K a year, I have great health insurance, and everything I own has been paid out of my own pocket. So the ideas I support do not impact me, but I understand I got to where I am today with opportunities not readily available to those in poverty, and I want to help reduce class inequality.

[–]seltzeronmydesk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't generalize all supporters. A majority are supporting him for the wrong reasons but a lot of people have a valid reason. I have a buddy pursuing a computer science major at a top university with an AI specialization. He is supporting Sanders because he thinks in a matter of 20 years the labor force will be a fraction of what it is now and most things will be automated. Although I don't think Sanders or socialism is the answer, in 8 years we will need a candidate who will address this issue in their main platform.

[–]Ciik 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yep. This socialist is anti-natural, not worried about destroying personal initiative. What was once an Obama Phone will become a Sanders Phone.

[–]SidneyBechetLibertarian Conservative 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just remember, it started out as a Bush phone.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Landline.

[–]baldyloxSocial Libertarian 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

But we'd all have to have Sanders Phones, so everything would be equal.

[–]red1mmy -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]badkarmavenger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the Obama phone program did was to extend coverage from the home phone to a cell phone. Also, while taxes are not used, the funding does come from people who do not qualify for the program vis-a-vis an increase being built in to the monthly bill. While I understand that it's not a free cell phone being handed out by the federal government I do believe that it is an unnecessary luxury (the cell phone part, not having a low-cost landline for low-income folks) funded by government mandate. I don't care what the origin of the name is or whether Obama had anything to do with it

[–]Iamninja28 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I now understand why 99% of Reddit wants him. They dont give a shit about his politics, they just want him to give them all handouts so they can be on Reddit all day instead of being productive members of society (not like liberals were to begin with).

[–]tacos_pizza_beer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No surprise then that reddit loves the guy. This site is full of Peter Pan syndrome morons.

[–]G0PACKGONot a very good troll (LOL DO U GAY MARAGE CONSERVATIVE?) -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like sanders... but I want nothing and my taxes would increase incredibly...

[–]theBergmeister 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We do need to be more like Scandinavia, just a thousand years ago though.

[–]fortybattletoad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who think having a different president would fix everything..

[–]isurvivedanattack56 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This makes me happy.

[–]Chest-Rockwell- 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate Bernie for the same reason people hate Donald Trump. He has a pissed off little rat face. Ghettos across America have been run by democrat supported government programs since the 60s. Nothing has changed.

[–]imColey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

White kid with an iPhone checking in. Bernie Sanders makes me physically cringe.

[–]Hello0897 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (31子コメント)

Can someone explain why Sander's is so terrible? I definitely think some of his ideas are too radical, though they are certainly in the right direction. Affordable education, taking away power from big businesses, and wanting an actual livable standard of living for our lowest class.

Also, I haven't seen any non white, non privileged politicians with actual experience doing anything, so you could copy and paste this argument for anyone.

[–]Randlehandle85 19ポイント20ポイント  (10子コメント)

There is no such thing as a free lunch or in this case, college or anything else he wants to "give" people. They say it's a robin hood tax but that money will come out of our pocket, not the multi millionaires. Also with raising the minimum wage it will only make it harder to find a job for the less educated. If I need to hire someone and I'm being forced to pay them 15/hr then I'm gunna look for the smartest fucker I can find to fill that job. The real problem hear is the taxing of businesses into oblivion. If I want a raise then my boss has to pay twice that amount because of taxes, making it harder for me to get a raise. I typed this from my phone so I know someone will say I'm wrong because I misspelled something or whatever. That's the most common argument I see now days.

[–]tommygunz007 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to jump in, to explore BOTH sides of what you say. Big business, such as Apple, has hidden billions overseas legally to avoid paying taxes. So the tax burden comes on small business owners who don't make ENOUGH to store money overseas. So small businesses get creamed. To make matters worse, labor is the key to their survival. High labor can kill their business, causing many small businesses to close. However, it's a dog-eat-dog world, and in order for small businesses to SURVIVE they need to pay MORE so that they can in return get MORE customers. If you have a small Walmart town, everyone is making minimum wage, subsidized health by the govt (and welfare in cases where they don't work full time), and only ONE GUY is making enough to buy a car, so the car dealership closes because there is no middle class workers. It's a double edged sword, as big businesses (and yes, Apple and Walmart are both guilty) hide billions of tax dollars that would fix about 80% of the roads, infrastructure, schools, etc, but when you take that community money out of a community and put it in the Caymans, it cripples the local town. Really small businesses need to pay NO tax, and higher wages so it evens out, and BIG companies should not be allowed to stick money overseas, and pay the billions in tax.

[–]Natetendo83 53ポイント54ポイント  (8子コメント)

What he wants is not necessarily what's bad about him. Yea Wall Street is corrupt, college is too expensive, wages are terrible, etc etc etc. And on just about every account of what's wrong with America he is spot on.

But knowing the problem doesn't mean you have the best solution for the problem. His solutions would do more harm than good in the long run. All he is doing is pointing out what people are frustrated with and that is giving him a fan base of people who don't understand economics but fall in line for his pandering.

[–]Hello0897 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Okay, this certainly makes sense.

Who would you say has the best solutions? And what are they?

All I see is people bashing other people, or pointing at some idea and saying it is wrong. I have yet to see any concrete plans of how to change anything. Does anyone know where I can find actual plans? or do they simply not exist?

[–]RaleighDAD -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

[–]Oldschool1964 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ahhh Bernie, never met a government program he didn't want to expand, no matter how inept the federal government is at running the things they SHOULD be running. If social security is so great, why does the government abuse it? Why do they continue to steal from the imaginary "lock box" that should be truly separate from those other fund cites he refers to in the video?

[–]RaleighDAD 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

This table shows that admin costs are less then 1%. .07% specifically, I would say that is very effectively run. The average 401k fund can have admin cost of 3-4% range. http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/admin.html

I will agree that SS funds should not be used for the general upkeep of govt, but I don't know what that has to do with expanding it or raising the take home amount for the average person on SS.

[–]for_lolz[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Social Security is a huge reason for the deficit. At this point, it's simply unsustainable. When it was made in the thirties, it was intended to help people live out the last several years of their life in comfort, not support folks for 30+ years after retirement. In and of itself, the social security fund consumes over half the nations revenue.

[–]RaleighDAD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are mistaken in your first part that SS is s huge reason for the deficit. SS is funded by the payroll tax you pay 6% and your employer pays 6% on the first 118k in income. It does not contribute to the deficit. At the current rate of incoming payroll contribution, SS can pay out for the next 18 years in full.

[However, if you remove the cap and start taxing again at the 250k rate or higher then SS is fully funded for 50 years.]

(http://rooseveltinstitute.org/ignore-deficit-hawks-social-security-easy-fix)

I will concede your point that SS was not meant to last the average person 30+ years. But as you can see, a fix is very easy and that is with current life expediencies.

[–]Hello0897 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! This is the kind of stuff I am looking for.

[–]RaleighDAD -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

My favorite idea of his is to remove the cap on SS so that everyone above 250k starts paying back into SS so that it will last forever.

Also, I like the concept of giving people on SS a little more money. With corporations getting rid of Pensions, times are going to be tough for seniors.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

though they are certainly in the right direction.

No they're not. Forcing you to pay for something and then calling it free doesn't make it free.

Also, I haven't seen any non white, non privileged politicians with actual experience doing anything, so you could copy and paste this argument for anyone.

edit: oh, you're one of those. lol

[–]Hello0897 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Obviously nothing is free. The problem here is seeing who should pay for what. A good education should be available to everyone, which is the direction I am speaking of.

What I am I one of? It would be nice to see you actually respond to my argument, rather than just claim I am stupid. Or maybe you are just of those...

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Of course it should be available to everyone (which it is). It shouldn't be available free on the backs of others, which, as you've mentioned, is included in the "who should pay for what" part of your reply. The answer is you should pay for you and I should pay for me.

[–]Hello0897 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, and when colleges are run like businesses, the middle to lower class cannot afford to go. Kids fresh out of highschool are selling their soul to get loans to try and get a degree in something they arent even sure they want to do yet. So sure, it is available to everyone, the same way that a Porsche is.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Of course they can afford to go: that's what loans are for, and if they pick feminist studies or some useless degree with literally no real-world applications, it's their fault for being fucking idiots and they need to live with the consequences.

[–]Hello0897 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

So now poor people have to pay more to go to college than the rich. There should be equal opportunity here.

Loans are for people who cannot afford to go. Just want to make that clear. If you can afford it, you dont need a loan.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you talking about interest rates on the loan? Because that's all i can decipher from your post. But even if that's the case, that's how the world works, it's not fucking Willie Wonka's chocolate paradise. Grow a pair and deal with it.

[–]Hello0897 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

no shit thats how the world works, humans run how it works, we can change it. thats the whole fucking point.

[–]FWolf 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude, this is very, very complex, it's not an answer you can get on a forum thread on the internet, already "ELI5ed" for you. Any short answer here would be absolutely insufficient and would not grasp the severity of the details. It seems like a simple enough matter, but it really isn't.

A sincere and honest tip I'd give you: start reading. ASAP. I'd start you on some Edmund Burke and Roger Scruton.

[–]Hello0897 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I was hoping more for a link to some good reading on the matter, rather than someone on here explain it themselves. I will definitely check out your suggestions!

I don't know much about all of this, but I want to learn. I am an undergrad physics major, so most of the people I talk to also do not know what they are talking about.

Are there any news sights that try to stick to only hard facts, and educated reasoning? Cause just about everything I've found is biased in some way, or completely ignorant in another.

Any advice for my journey forward would help. I don't really know where to begin.

[–]Randlehandle85 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That bern they feel is actually retarded herpes.

[–]zeeshopper 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

For all the Berniebots invading this thread, welcome!

[–]jack_broni -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is pretty awesome.

[–]tommygunz007 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ooh.. my comments about Bernie:

So here is the deal. Bill Clinton, when he first ran for office, said that he couldn't promise anything because he never was President and didn't know what to expect. Obama just pandered to the audience, saying anything to get elected, and Bernie is doing the same thing.

But here is the real deal America, the real deal is once you are elected, you are pulled into a tiny room with a bunch of very important people, who basically tell you that whatever you said, whatever you thought you were going to do, you can't do. You know how I know this? Because every candidate makes TONS of promises and once elected, they just can't fix it. Sure, they want to deep down, but there is so much money and power that you can't. It is like.. imagine you are playing a game of chess. Everyone knows how to play chess (to get elected). But, every Presidential candidate gets on tv and says, WE WILL CHANGE THE GAME, Bishops will now be Kings, Rooks will now be Bishops. But you and I know, that once you sit down to play chess, you abide by the rules of the game. The game never changes, no matter how much you think you can change it.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

his presidency would come apart like a Chinese bicycle so quickly it wouldn't even be funny. Glad he has literally no chance in any post-primary (even if he pulled off the unimaginable and got the Democratic nomination).

[–]resoner -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Canadian liberal here.... This is pretty funny