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[–]kjsmdfs 56ポイント57ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's nothing I find quite as infuriating as someone telling me how I feel and think of certain issues because I'm a white, heterosexual male. Or telling me that somehow I don't have the depth or empathy to understand certain racial issues, simply because of my privilege of being white.

It's hypocritical and disparaging.

I will go to this talk because I desperately want my preconceived notion of it to be proven wrong.

[–]MalaclypseTheYunger 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

I actually did attend an event like this once out of curiosity. I went with the intention of just sitting and listening. I was simply interested to hear what the arguments would be like in a space where people were likely to be more generally receptive (basically just more pleasant to each other because they were not online). I hoped there'd be less conflict generally and people would have an easier time talking and be able to properly express what their views were even if I still disagreed. Which as it happens was exactly how it was; everyone is a lot more polite face to face than they are on the internet and it's conducive to good discussion.

And it was fine. At least until they decided we were going to create thought clouds in groups. Now I had to be involved somehow and I'd not intended that. I made a suggestion and guess what? It wasn't worthy of going on the cloud board because I hadn't considered that:

  • I'm white.
  • I'm male.
  • I'm straight (I'm not, but I wasn't there to debate so I let that slide).

That actually wasn't what bugged me though. It was done in a far less overt and aggressive way than you often see online. It was much more subtle, but those were the highlights. And I'd gone with full expectation that the ideology might be like that so I wasn't surprised.

What pissed me off was that after shooting down my idea for those reasons; they all proceeded to make near identical suggestions which they ultimately decided were too similar to mine to be included.

We ended up with a bunch of shitty ideas because I'd basically tainted the water, so to speak, and no one wanted to have the same idea as me even though it was quite clear all of them quite liked it.

[–]ilovebuttmeat69NRE - 2017 swag 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't make me have to explain to you why your experiences are invalid, white boy.

[–]ewbrowerIE 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

I always thought that Georgia Tech was the most egalitarian college in the south. Everyone here gets shafted just the same.

[–]ilovebuttmeat69NRE - 2017 swag 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you have 3 tests, a lab report, etc., in a week, you don't really give a fuck about anything but making it through the week.

[–]FrogPaperweight 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I always thought that Georgia Tech was the most egalitarian college in the south. Everyone here gets shafted just the same.

I've been affiliated with five different universities in my life. Georgia Tech is the LEAST egalitarian of the all.

[–]ewbrowerIE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you explain?

[–]SwatchVineyardCS - 2016.5 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a minority, this kind of stuff confuses me. Why do we have to make this a thing? Calling this white privilege is way different then having a talk about "difficulties minorities face" or "how to address race issues", because we aren't pointing fingers or shaming anyone. I expect better from the diversity center.

[–]McMallocAE - 2016 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Especially considering this is at Georgia Tech, which is a really diverse school. I mean, what do they think about students from China, Korea, India, etc., of which there are many? Are they considered privileged? Does it matter?

[–]singerandascholarAlum - BSBA 2015 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you - I think having a talk about difficulties minorities face is a GREAT idea. I am a tall, white, republican, male raised in the south, and while I can guess based on the racist / prejudice things I see, I could gain a lot from hearing about it from others. So that could be constructive.

Why they chose to call it "White Guilt" I do not know. I do not feel guilty for being white. I do, however, sometimes feel ignorant because I am white.

[–]iwillfindpeace 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

Can we have an event about how I was beat up, robbed and threatened at my 85% black high school? Or would that just be too awkward?

[–]kjsmdfs 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

shhhhhhhhh black people can't be racist shhhhhh

[–]boss1000 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you follow the sociological definitions of "racism", it is true that "racism against white people" doesn't exist in the United States. That's because there aren't hundreds of years of slavery, oppression, war, Jim Crow, and persistent inequality towards white people, which is a necessary part of the concept.

The word to describe /u/iwillfindpeace's experience would be prejudice in that case. Which is not to deny or downplay their experience at all. There's just a very common misunderstanding about these terms when casual and academic use are mixed. Just like the word "theory".

[–]ilovebuttmeat69NRE - 2017 swag 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

That happened because your privilege made them uncomfortable so they acted in self-defense.

[–]bjgbobEE 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

The scary part is that this sounds like an actual argument someone would make. Not a smart someone, but someone.

[–]panicatthesplicerCM - 2019 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literally same. I was bullied in high school for just being white. On top of that, whites were treated like shit. For example, when dress code violations were made, the principal was always too afraid to say anything to the other minorities because he thought he'd offend them, so I actually had to stay in dress code to avoid being suspended unlike anyone else at my school.

[–]bellue 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

aren't college students supposed to learn how to think critically, or are all students at georgia tech as dumb as you?

when we talk about racism in america, we're not referring to name calling and your feelings getting hurt. we're talking about overarching institutional disadvantages. we're talking about the fact that whites with a criminal record have a better chance of getting a callback for a job than blacks with no criminal record. we're talking about the fact that white americans are more likely than black americans to have used most kinds of illegal drugs, yet blacks are far more likely to go to prison for drug offenses. i know it's challenging, but try to think of the world not just in terms of your own personal experiences.

[–]jjcdeep 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

...I would have gone to one of the "prestigious" libart colleges i got accepted to if I wanted to deal with this BS. wtf is happening to GT?

[–]erebonCS 2019 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

tfw we're becoming Berkeley

[–]Ovonelo 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Strange how race/sex issues have been coming up on this subreddit lately. Maybe people read this submission and realized they need to step up their game.

[–]gburdellAlum - EE 2013 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

The subtitle of this talk is "An opportunity to discuss what makes talking about race so difficult for White people". Maybe it's so difficult to talk about because the type of people running offices of diversity have conditioned white people to feel guilty, and minorities to feel offended when the topic of race is brought up by white people? This Simpsons clip seems like a great metaphor for what I see when an institution that sustains itself on discord between groups of people asking the majority race why they feel uncomfortable talking about race.

Now, you could argue that if people find this offensive, then they should just ignore it and not attend. However, this isn't some student group bringing a controversial speaker in, this is a division of GT that employs people, with the help of tuition money and alumni donations. As a fairly well-off alum, I wouldn't want any of my money supporting this kind of nonsense. The next donation solicitation is going right in the trash.

[–]masterdz522EE - 2018 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was 100% certain that this was a joke when I first saw it 2 days ago.

[–]TastyScones 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I heard God Emperor Obama personally requested this event be created when he visited last year. Secret service was pinging white privilege off the charts.

Also as a reminder, they will be checking privilege at the door. Anything above 3 microPrivs will not be allowed in. Be sure to take your court mandated estrogen suppositories before attending this event.

[–]thanatos_demAlumn - CS 2013 10ポイント11ポイント  (12子コメント)

First the fight song shit and now this? Fucking hell, we need to bring drownproofing back, knock these people from their PC moral high ground into the pool. If you aren't aware what that is, look it up. We used to straight up tie students' wrists and legs together and throw them in the pool. Those were the glory days of tech. This existed through most of the 80s.

Now we can't say "cheer" in our fight song (you know, the one sung at events where one is inclined to cheer) or be white without being forced into feeling guilty about it. GT - if you don't want to see the alumni money well dry up stop backing stupid shit like this.

[–]NotJoshLymanBSBA, CS- 2016 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

We should bring drownproofing back? Are you saying that because black students are less likely to be able to swim than white students which will cause lower attendance of african american students and ultimately lead to the perpetuation of the white male dominated upper class in America?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! RACIST!!!!! I hope you sleep well at night, Hitler.

But really, I wish they would bring drownproofing back. It helped weed out the weak.

Edit: Everyone should start reporting it for being racist. Once it gets flagged a certain number of times facebook will automatically remove it.

Edit 2: lol. They turned off comments.

[–]BigPeteBAlum - CS 2006, MS CS 2011 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not only that, but white people are almost always positively buoyant, whereas 30% of black people are negatively buoyant and can't use the drownproofing technique without modification, or at all.

[–]NotJoshLymanBSBA, CS- 2016 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait, really?

[–]BigPeteBAlum - CS 2006, MS CS 2011 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Supposedly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drownproofing:

“Sinkers” can also benefit from a modified technique, but will find it more difficult to learn and will probably need specialised coaching.

http://www.drownproofing.com/:

As a general rule, women are more buoyant than men and we all tend to become more buoyant as we get older. Fred Lanoue did a lot of measurements, but lifestyle changes over the last 50 years could well mean that his figures no longer apply. At that time, he found that almost all white people have some positive buoyancy but, in a sample of young African American males, 30% had negative boyancy.

More details on http://www.drownproofing.com/pbnotes.htm:

Fred Lanoue found individual personal buoyancy ranging from 7 lbs. positive (floaters) to more than 5 lbs. negative (sinkers). When he tested young African-American males at Morehouse College he found that 30% had negative buoyancy - a much greater percentage than among the white students at Georgia Tech. This result is now regarded as controversial.

I'm just quoting sources I've seen; I don't know if current research backs this up or whether it turns out to be incorrect.

[–]McMallocAE - 2016 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope you sleep well at night, Hitler.

He's not just Hitler, he's literally Hitler. That's way worse than regular Hitler. it's like the difference between Shredder and Super Shredder, which is pretty drastic:

Hitler

Literally Hitler

[–]Hollow_Panda 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Now we can't say "cheer" in our fight song

Can you elaborate?

[–]ewbrowerIE 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

There was a recent petition to change "to cheer the brave and bold" to "to join the brave and bold"

[–]gt4674b 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait, what??? What's wrong with the word cheer nowadays?

[–]BLKavariceIE 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Apparently it's considered patronizing to the women in the same verse.

[–]jgtengineer68 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

instead they want an child to join the football team. And instead of going after the line that makes sense to change ( changing daddy to mommy depending on the gender of the singer) they attack a line that doesn't contain anything remotely offensive.

[–]trungvnnn 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

No one cares about Asian, we're being discriminated silently cry in a corner

[–]becauseican8Alum - Chem 2014 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Asians are overrepresented at Tech. In fact, if you believe the school should be representative of the US population (were a global institute, but certainly not reflective of the world as a whole) then whites are underrepresented.

[–]hatsune_aruEE - 2018 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope you're Asian, because if not your opinion is automatically wrong.

[–]Decapod73Chem - PhD, Lord of Insects 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Better than all the fliers a couple years ago inviting us to come learn what Jesus would have thought about Nanotechnology.

[–]becauseican8Alum - Chem 2014 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Idk, that sounds hilariously entertaining. This just makes me uncomfortable.

[–]michael_leonCmpE - 2015 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm decently far left but even I think this idea is hilarious. The people GTCC are targeting aren't even going to think twice about going to this. I don't even think the discussions at this event will be bad to have, but the naming of the event is so mindblowingly tactless, it's almost like this event is satirical.

Honestly if you want change made, just use violence. Nobody takes any of your campaigns seriously until you riot and scare people.

[–]beerybeardybearPhys—PhD -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm decently far left

No you're not.

[–]DiscomfortingTruthAE - 2018 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just because 98% of his existence isn't arguing with anyone who disagrees with him doesn't make him not far-left.

[–]beerybeardybearPhys—PhD -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, not agreeing with basic principles of sociology is what keeps them from being far left. It isn't that complicated.

[–]wills_finessinJuugs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just hope it doesn't turn into a big circle jerk of people telling stories about how someone said something racist at them.

[–]TheCidAlumn - BS CS 2009 1ポイント2ポイント  (21子コメント)

Fuck this. I hope FIRE goes after Tech for pushing this nonsense.

[–]kjsmdfs 10ポイント11ポイント  (20子コメント)

Tech isn't really violating anybody's rights by supporting this. Tech isn't silencing anybody. So I doubt FIRE would care.

[–]TheCidAlumn - BS CS 2009 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (19子コメント)

It's a package deal. SJWs don't ever limit themselves to just spouting their bullshit, they also try to silence everyone who disagrees with them.

I would be absolutely shocked if Tech doesn't start trying to punish people who stand up to this garbage.

At this point I'm pulling my donations. Between the fight song and this, it's very obvious the Tech administration has fully drunk the kool-aid on this crap.

[–]PhaethonPrime 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

they also try to silence everyone who disagrees with them

This is correct. Their entryism always starts small and innocent. They hold a seminar or two, wonder aloud why anyone wouldn't like them, etc. Then, in a little while, you get codes of conduct, speech rules, safe spaces, and other silencing/shaming tactics against anyone who doesn't view the world through their particular lens.

[–]TehAlpacalypseCS - 2018 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's one hell of a slippery slope fallacy there

[–]PhaethonPrime 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except it isn't. Look to Brown University and others for examples where it has already taken place. Talk of privilege is almost always accompanied/followed by discussions about 'hate speech' and limitations on acceptable speech. Again, this is becoming more and more common in universities in the US.

[–]TehAlpacalypseCS - 2018 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

followed by discussions about 'hate speech' and limitations on acceptable speech

Man how terrible it must be to not be an asshole.

[–]GT2018IE 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

That unironic "SJW"... cringe

[–]Ovonelo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nods respectfully towards you.

[–]TehAlpacalypseCS - 2018 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THERE IS A WAR ON WHITE PEOPLE

[–]TheCidAlumn - BS CS 2009 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's useful for distinguishing between regular feminists who support, say, women's right to an abortion and access to birth control; and these deranged man-hating dipshits.

[–]noelsusmanLet's just say I've been here a while 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a meaningless term that is applied to anybody who holds opinions even vaguely similar to something that can be called social justice. It's useful for shutting down conversations and applying loads of baggage on people to force them to defend actions they don't support and opinions they don't hold.

It's pretty much one giant straw man, and it needs to go away.

[–]TehAlpacalypseCS - 2018 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lol where did you get man hating from?

[–]beerybeardybearPhys—PhD -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Life is, on average, easier for men than women."

"WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE A MISANDRIST SJW FEMINAZI????? WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST BE EQUAL!"

I can only imagine how these disgusting people would have reacted to the civil rights movement.

"Why are you making this a race thing? Don't you know that you're the racists because you're treating white people and black people differently?"

[–]hatsune_aruEE - 2018 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

For those who don't know: "The word SJW is a meaningless buzzword" is a manufactured maymay by SJWs to try and deflect arguments.

[–]kjsmdfs 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a package deal. SJWs don't ever limit themselves to just spouting their bullshit, they also try to silence everyone who disagrees with them.

They just deleted every comment and post on the facebook page. Losers.

[–]TheCidAlumn - BS CS 2009 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

They just deleted every comment and post on the facebook page. Losers.

This is the part where I say "I told you so".

[–]rpi2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

White Privilege

[–]praisezommoros 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i don't even go to this school but i stand with you guys - this is fucking weak.

[–]beerybeardybearPhys—PhD -3ポイント-2ポイント  (15子コメント)

This makes me ashamed to go to this school. Not the event, but the response in these comments. The fact that almost all of you--and it'd be bad enough if it were only maybe a quarter of what it is now--are this completely blind to legitimate problems, ignorant to basic, accepted definitions, and petulant about what you perceive to be discrimination (as if you had any idea, which illustrates the point of this talk beautifully succinctly) is completely horrifying, confusing, and infuriating to me.

This is supposed to be a school of critical thinkers, but you're responding to a talk the central theme of which is, "It's Harder to See Discrimination when You're a Member of privileged Class" with, "Help! Help! I'm being discriminated against by being informed that I'm part of a privileged class!" and you're all too dense to even see the irony.

[–]DiscomfortingTruthAE - 2018 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think you're confused. You see, just because you love jerking yourself off to being a leftist doesn't mean that any of your views hold any merit.

[–]beerybeardybearPhys—PhD 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, 2015 at one of the top public institutes in the country, and I have a 19-year-old whining at me about jerking myself off to being "a leftist". This is the state of discourse in our country; we have failed miserably.

[–]McMallocAE - 2016 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

This is coming form a person who's assuming everyone commenting here is white, despite the fact that this school is less than half white:

http://admission.gatech.edu/images/pdf/2015_freshman_profile_web.pdf

"Hmm, everyone here disagrees with me and thinks this event if in poor taste. They must all be stupid and racist, and I'm the only one who's enlightened!"

Get over yourself.

[–]beerybeardybearPhys—PhD 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Where did I assume that everybody was white? You might want to read my comment again, but this time dig your literacy cap out of the closet.

[–]McMallocAE - 2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well you assumed everyone commenting on this is privileged, so unless you consider Asians privileged, then you're assuming everyone is white. There are several minorities in this post alone who think this talk (especially the title of the talk) are in bad taste.

The main thing is that you think everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant and racist, which is just childish. That's why no one is listening to you.

[–]beerybeardybearPhys—PhD 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

So you're trying to talk to me and you're so ignorant that you think that the only privileged class of people is white people? Are you serious?

[–]McMallocAE - 2016 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

I never said that, I was talking about you. I don't actually know whether you think Asians are privileged or not, that's what I was clarifying.

[–]Makuta 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you exactly say why people are pissed of in your comment here

It's Harder to See Discrimination when You're a Member of privileged Class"

If the event was called this, no one would care. Why in the title of the event do they feel inclined to single out white people?

Why not just make it a more generally accepting event?

[–]beerybeardybearPhys—PhD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the title is fine as it is, and focused on racism rather than all possible discrimination. Not everything has to be everything to everyone, and the fact that people are enraged by the idea that white people might just have a harder time spotting racism than everybody else proves that the talk is necessary in the first place.

[–]gtthrowaway18241 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You seem to like insulting people more than making actual arguments. Being against this doesn't make anybody racist or ignorant. If the goal of this is actually to get a real conversation going, singling out a group (which people consider the oppressor) is probably the best way to keep the conversation from resembling anything useful. It sets the tone for a circle jerk.

Why are they trying to make people feel bad for being white, or for any other reason they can't control? Why should I or anybody else feel guilty for the actions of other people?

The most obnoxious part of this though is how negative this and the vast majority of social justice in the internet age has to be. How about instead of trying to bring the other group down, you try and pull your group up? Instead of attending an event like this that sets an explicitly negative tone, why not volunteer at a school around Atlanta and make an actually USEFUL contribution to somebody's life and the community? Instead of trying to bring majorities down, try being a decent person and bring minorities up. Everybody ends up better in the end. Crying and complaining on the internet or in person doesn't do anybody any good.

[–]ilovebuttmeat69NRE - 2017 swag -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

inb4 race baiting from sjw that frequents this sub

[–]rclosurez 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Single Jewish woman? This is r/gatech not r/Emory should I feel white guilt because I made that joke? Or is it white privilege that allows me to? This seminar is going to do so much good at explaining how bad we should all feel about not feeling bad.

[–]McMallocAE - 2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not white privilege, but maybe zionist privilege? I'm not sure how it works tbh.

[–]rclosurez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Call the democrats! Looks like we will be needing a committee to research this and probably some extra funding for those in mental anguish over their zionist privilege!

[–]onderdonk314 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

One other source of privilege we need to uproot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RrreVthWRY

[–]kjsmdfs -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is anybody else able to make a wall post on the facebook event? Did they turn off wall posts? I need to know if I'm just being retarded or if the diversity council are literally free-speech hating fascists.

[–]awkward__pickleChem - 2018 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"An opportunity to discuss" turns off posts to page

[–]ilovebuttmeat69NRE - 2017 swag 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I mean, there's a pretty big post there right now.

[–]xBlackfoxChBE - 2017 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kek

[–]bennihana123CS - 201? 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they deleted it