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[–]Ravenguardian17Radical Socialist 8ポイント9ポイント  (29子コメント)

I got in an argument with one of these guys awhile back, I've got some great quotes left behind.

"Your girlfriend is probably being fucked right now by a black man" (nice opener, buddy)

"You are salty that I am right and better than you" (meanwhile he's the only one using swears and claiming he's better)

"I'm right though you down syndrome ridden faggot" (using mental problems as an insult, real mature)

"I am not a leftist so therefore not a faggot" (seriously there are other words than faggot, read a dictionary)

"no it isn't you igger" (typo, I assume)

"did you draw that? If so congrats, you are now first on the rope list" (he threatened my life for sending a meme his way)

"The people would elect autists who didn't know shit" (Regarding democracy)

"Leftists adopted Identity Autism to stay relevant in America" (I don't even have a comment)

"you haven't offered anything to counter eat shit" (we had offered something to counter actually, multiple times)

"eat shit commie" (he didn't even know I was left-wing, he just used commie as an insult)

And there you have it folks, the great minds of the Vanguard. Right at your front door. Truly a WONDER to debate with.

[–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hello, Morgan (/u/Ravenguardian17),

I see you try to cover your ass by smearing the Vanguard and myself. I remember this conversation vividly. For context, you asked me about what Fascism would entail as a system of government and as an ideology. I let you know that I personally moved away from it due to some complications I saw with some of the core tenets of it and have picked up a form of traditionalism instead. As I started making some basic points, you accepted them. As I went on to give elaborate examples (i.e. Punish BP after the Oil Spill, etc.) You kept strawmanning my points and made absurd claims that a Fascist government would shoot minorities and rape babies and stuff along those lines. Furthermore, you insisted on derailing the discussion and kept spewing random bullshit after I tried, multiple times, to salvage the discussion and let you know you were essentially strawmanning what I was saying. The burden of proof is on you and you kept going in circles and dodging questions I was raising against your points in the said debate. You then degraded the whole argument into mindless shitposting, which I will attribute myself to some of these comments.

Yes, I did make some of these. Do I intend to act on violence? No, I don't think I ever could. Do I genuinely think people should be strung up for their beliefs? No, that is wrong and goes against my principles and many other peoples principles. I agree, some of these comments are harsh, but the ability to discern from blantant shitposting (which you initiated given the context of most of these comments) and being serious in discussion is one you obviously must acquire. I could generate a list of quotes you or your comrades have said and use them to smear your party or yourself, but I will not. I don't have the time for it, it is not constructive, and all it does is foster ill-will (like there isn't enough already). I will stand by my beliefs and by some of my comments like a person with dignity. Unlike some cowards (/u/WineRedPsy) who would rather screech slurs at people with different beliefs than him and silence his opposition instead of facing them on the floor over at /r/MHOC like he is supposed to do in the simulation.

I rest my case.

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    [–]TheInfernalRainMorning Star 6ポイント7ポイント  (21子コメント)

    From an MtF Transgender with Weight-issues

    Considering the bigotry which /u/Spudgunn continuously spouts about trans people, her response is frankly reasonable.

    [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What does me saying negative things about transgender people have to do with someone saying they're going to bash /u/alphaepsilon3's head into the concrete?

    [–]TheInfernalRainMorning Star 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    saying negative things about transgender people

    That's one way of putting it. The point is, she's bound to despise your party when you, a leading member of the party, say things that cause her personal offence.

    [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 1ポイント2ポイント  (18子コメント)

    You mean "his" response.

    [–]NicolasBroaddusRadical Socialist Party 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No, we mean her. And this consistent dismissal of transgender citizens' concerns and actual desires from vanguard is my chief reason for disliking the party. You would see the Gender Equality Bill repealed, and I can never support that.

    [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good thing we're not looking for your vote.

    [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I will not stand for someone to exist in their mental delusions. It's like allowing a schizophrenic to run around saying he is Barack Obama and letting him just cause trouble. I'd much rather help these people in general with whatever medical assistance we can, but tolerating them and aiding them in their delusions, from my perspective, does absolutely nothing.

    [–]TheInfernalRainMorning Star 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

    See what I mean, everyone?

    [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

    I will not stand for someone to exist in their mental delusions. It's like allowing a schizophrenic to run around saying he is Barack Obama and letting him just cause trouble. I'd much rather help these people in general with whatever medical assistance we can, but tolerating them and aiding them in their delusions, from my perspective, does absolutely nothing.

    [–]TheInfernalRainMorning Star 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, I am not doubting that. However, letting them live as the gender that they are mentally aligned with is the appropriate treatment for the illness. I am fully aware that biologically, a trans woman is biologically male, but to repeat, it is the appropriate medical and social treatment for someone suffering from gender dysphoria to be allowed to transition.

    [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    letting them live as the gender that they are mentally aligned with is the appropriate treatment for the illness.

    Is this the right thing to do then? Morally and Medically? To be very honest, I know nothing more on the matter from what I've stated above.

    [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    letting them live as the gender that they are mentally aligned with is the appropriate treatment for the illness.

    No, it's giving in to the delusion. It's like allowing a mentally ill person, who believes they're a chicken, to fully live their life as a chicken. It might make them feel good, but it's morally wrong.

    [–]TheInfernalRainMorning Star 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked, gender and species aren't the same thing.

    [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, but it's a valid comparison.

    [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    letting them live as the gender that they are mentally aligned with is the appropriate treatment for the illness.

    Is this the right thing to do then? Morally and Medically? To be very honest, I know nothing more on the matter from what I've stated above.

    [–]TheInfernalRainMorning Star 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is this the right thing to do then?

    In my opinion, yes.

    [–]CocktorpedoJustice Minister + Mirror Editor 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    guess what literally nobody in the medical community agrees with you

    what a coincidence that 'being wrong' and being socially conservative correlate so often!

    [–]mcr3527MP | SMoS Environment & Equalities | MHoC Endeavour Columnist 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Edgy.

    [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I will not stand for someone to exist in their mental delusions. It's like allowing a schizophrenic to run around saying he is Barack Obama and letting him just cause trouble. I'd much rather help these people in general with whatever medical assistance we can, but tolerating them and aiding them in their delusions, from my perspective, does absolutely nothing.

    [–]mcr3527MP | SMoS Environment & Equalities | MHoC Endeavour Columnist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh please, just stop.

    [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Anyone can write a list of sentences in quotation marks. Real evidence is a good start.

    Let me show you what real evidence looks like.

    [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Nice of you to remind everyone of what you lot are

    [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You broke /r/MHOC's rules.

    [–]CocktorpedoJustice Minister + Mirror Editor -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    this is the internet equivalent of waving your hands in someone's face and shouting 'NOT TOUCHING YOU NOT TOUCHING YOU'

    [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Stop victim blaming please.

    [–]OKELEUKex-General Secretary 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    hear fucking hear

    [–]NoPyroNoPartyGreen Principal Speaker | Energy & Climate Change Secretary 13ポイント14ポイント  (37子コメント)

    Hear hear. I think we have an issue where people (and now entire parties) are joining the Vanguard because to them it's all a bit of a joke and being nationalistic, socially conservative and authoritarian is heralded in their skype chats because it's cool and edgy - not that I have a problem with what gullible people get up to in their cliques, but when previously good, politically rational people start taking some of these abhorrent positions seriously we see a degradation of the respect and integrity in our politics.

    [–]alexwagboPlaid Cymru Leader | Wales MP 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I want to make it very clear that working with the Vanguard will not change Plaid's generally progressive nature, and we will remain a non authoritarian party. We have always been nationalists.

    [–]NoPyroNoPartyGreen Principal Speaker | Energy & Climate Change Secretary 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

    lol

    [–]Ravenguardian17Radical Socialist 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I don't even understand why you did it.

    It actually makes no sense, you've just turned yourselves into a less relevant party than you were before.

    People won't remember Plaid Cymru, they'll remember the Englishman who sold out a welsh party to fascists.

    [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hear, hear! Although I think you mean Plaid Wagbo

    [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    The Vanguard is not a fascist party.

    [–]HabsburgerPatriot Press 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If they are so insistent upon it, why not? ;-)

    [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Facts, Habsburger, facts.

    [–]HabsburgerPatriot Press 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Facts are facts, I cannot add anything else.

    [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I see your position as abhorent. I am glad others are recognising this.

    [–]NoPyroNoPartyGreen Principal Speaker | Energy & Climate Change Secretary 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Indeed, and disagreement is not a bad thing in the world of politics. It's only good though when that disagreement is genuine and those positions are held seriously (as I don't doubt you do), not when it's just a bandwagon aspired to by a close-knit clique.

    [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Indeed, and as it turned out that is all the Green Party were. The Socialists looking for refuge while the fallout of New Labour disappeared. Now Labour has Corbyn, the Green bandwagon is at an end, and the left can finally tackle workers rights instead of obsessing over obscure sexual minorities.

    [–]demon4372LibDem Deputy Leader 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

    and the left can finally tackle workers rights instead of obsessing over obscure sexual minorities

    Sorry to break it to you, but I'm sure that both on mhoc and in real life, fighting for GSRM rights aint going anywhere

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      [–]HabsburgerPatriot Press 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Eeeey there. That's a bit rude, isn't it?

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        [–]HabsburgerPatriot Press 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Stop it.

        [–]RlackVanguard MP l Kent & East Sussex 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Hear hear, we must conduct ourselves with stern & honest civility.

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hear hear.

        [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Don't worry, I was well aware of this.

        [–]RlackVanguard MP l Kent & East Sussex 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

        Will you ever stop blaming the respect party for everything certain individuals do? This choice was totally unrelated to the RPC, and although this may come as a shock to you, people's ideologies change.

        Grow up.

        [–]NoPyroNoPartyGreen Principal Speaker | Energy & Climate Change Secretary 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

        I didn't mention any skype chats in particular, don't get too protective. Don't be ridiculous, I am well aware that people's ideologies change but don't try and tell me there isn't any kind of encouragement in the general attitude of many of those on skype towards positions of, for example, statism, patriotism, social conservativism and so on - because it's cool, it's 'edgy', it's the in thing. I don't think that can be denied.

        [–]RlackVanguard MP l Kent & East Sussex -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

        being nationalistic, socially conservative and authoritarian is heralded in their skype chats because it's cool and edgy

        Do you think we're stupid? Of course you are referring to the RPC and of course I am protective because certain intolerable members repeatedly call for the total banning of everyone in the RPC and other constant, utterly ungrounded attacks.

        Considering that what is "edgy" is totally subjective - whether it's abolishing the monarchy, secularising the UK or criticising transgenderism, I will deny that those views that you attribute to the Vanguard are objectively and undeniably "edgy".

        [–]NoPyroNoPartyGreen Principal Speaker | Energy & Climate Change Secretary 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

        certain intolerable members repeatedly call for the total banning of everyone in the RPC and other constant, utterly ungrounded attacks

        Well James says it a lot purely because it annoys you, and boy do you fall for the bait. Anyway I'm not advocating anything like that. Come on now, I'm merely saying there is that kind of attitude around here, be it indeed on that chat or in general conversations with those people. I couldn't care less where it's coming from, it's the fact that the attitude exists that we're talking about.

        Considering that what is "edgy" is totally subjective - whether it's abolishing the monarchy, secularising the UK or criticising transgenderism, I will deny that those views that you attribute to the Vanguard are objectively and undeniably "edgy".

        Yes, I know you get touchy about that word, hence I included it in quote marks and had to think twice about using it in the first place, but that's just semantics and the point still stands regardless. It's the in thing to have those kind of views, they're generally accepted and rewarded. I don't think you can deny that.

        [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        edgy

        I think one can lose perspective due to the make-up of MHoC, but the Green party is not a mainstream movement and belonging to it, and supporting its extreme views, are as edgy, if not more edgy, than being what is essentially a red Tory.

        [–]NoPyroNoPartyGreen Principal Speaker | Energy & Climate Change Secretary 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Something something whataboutism.

        Anyway, as I said:

        Yes, I know you get touchy about that word, hence I included it in quote marks and had to think twice about using it in the first place, but that's just semantics and the point still stands regardless. It's the in thing to have those kind of views, they're generally accepted and rewarded. I don't think you can deny that.

        [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Something something whataboutism.

        I can do this, because I am a hypocrite.

        [–]demon4372LibDem Deputy Leader 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

        This choice was totally unrelated to the RPC

        Of fucking course it is, is clearly just the biggest fucking coincidence in the universe

        [–]RlackVanguard MP l Kent & East Sussex 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

        And I assume the recurring success of the Vanguard in elections is a RPC scheme as well, is it? Stop being so paranoid and outright toxic - the Vanguard are a legitimate party, and if you weren't voted to be removed from the RPC almost unanimously, then maybe you wouldn't be so bitter and hateful over our mere existence.

        [–]demon4372LibDem Deputy Leader 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

        recurring success of the Vanguard in elections

        Well, they beat UKIP, and got off site help to help them do that well.

        the Vanguard are a legitimate party

        lol, keep telling yourself that if it helps you justify your defection to the party of memes and total irrelevance

        [–]banter_lad_m8Sunday Sport 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        they beat UKIP

        I'm not 100% sure of this so please ignore me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere after Ben sorted out the mistakes in the results that UKIP and the Vanguard got the same number of votes. If not we both won the same number of seats (not taking into account defections after the GE).

        [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah, we got the same number of votes, but with rlack we move ahead!

        [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        and got off site help to help them do that well.

        We did?

        total irrelevance

        We are the fifth party, we go from strength to strength. You fear us, and so you try to dismiss us, but this juggernaut cannot be stopped.

        [–]demon4372LibDem Deputy Leader 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We are the fifth party

        And we are the third.

        You fear us, and so you try to dismiss us, but this juggernaut cannot be stopped.

        Rofl, i honestly hope you are memeing, because if not you are both delusional in your views, and in your political position.

        [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Heil Hitler /s

        [–]colossalteuthidRadical Socialist Party 10ポイント11ポイント  (10子コメント)

        Hear goddamn hear. Fascism isn't funny. It shouldn't be accepted lightly, and people are worse for being fascists.

        People are like 'why can't you accept me despite my politics' which is such bullshit: if I know a nice guy, but he's proudly a supporter of Al-Qaeda, that's a stain on his personality. Politics matters. Fascism matters, and it matters in a very bad way.

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

        The Vanguard is not a fascist party. So you'd be better off saving your breath and waiting for a real fascist party to emerge before making these attacks on fascism.

        Or maybe you could go to /r/DebateFascism or something.

        [–]colossalteuthidRadical Socialist Party 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Nah, it might be a bird with a duckbill that swims on a lake and gives birth to ducklings, and it quacks pretty loud... but it's just a romantic reactionary traditionalist.

        [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Tell me, what the hell does fascism look like? Does it look like this? Or this? Or maybe this?

        You talk of fascism, but the ideology varied from one place to the next. In Italy, Mussolini had a Jewish mistress. In Austria, Jews were quite supportive of the anti-Nazi Fatherland Front. In Spain Franco allowed Jews back, and aided many escaping the Nazi regime. And yet in Germany, 6 million Jews died.

        What the hell does fascism look like? And for that matter, what does a duck look like? Is it this? Or this?

        I mean really, these accusations are so ridiculous. Baseless and pathetic, backed up only by the brigades of /r/FULLCOMMUNISM.

        [–]colossalteuthidRadical Socialist Party 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I'm not saying fascism doesn't appear in diverse forms, Harold, in fact your argument backs up my point- I'm saying that pretty much everyone in your party, and certainly the party as a whole, fits within the reasonably diverse ideological family that is fascism.

        [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        But then why bother? It is evident that you call us fascism to say something in particular. That is the problem. You are trying to say, in a back handed way, that we are Nazis. That we are racists, and desire the extermination of other people. The assumption is that we are a party of hate, and nothing less.

        It is ridiculous, and intentionally misleading others for your own gain. You define anything we do as fascist, without making it clear what the connection is.

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        fits within the reasonably diverse ideological family that is fascism.

        Which, of course, in your mind translates to "everyone to the right of Chairman Mao."

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        What on Earth are you babbling on about?

        [–]bnzssThe Liberal Autocrat 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Using that reasoning is a logical fallacy.

        [–]bnzssThe Liberal Autocrat 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The problem of induction is not usually recognised as a logical fallacy.

        I mean you could try living your life without induction, but you wouldn't get far.

        [–]ContrabannedTheMCHeadline Writer, Token Leftie #2 17ポイント18ポイント  (11子コメント)

        Hear hear. Fuck fascism, and a special fuck you to the defectors who sold out on everything they stood for. How a Green could look themselves in the mirror with a straight face after joining a far-right party does not make sense, especially with the damage the far-right has caused in the past.

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Saying "fuck fascism" on reddit

        You're so brave.

        [–]ContrabannedTheMCHeadline Writer, Token Leftie #2 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

        You act like I give a damn about what you think.

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

        So edgy!

        [–]HaveADreamBBC | Shadow Health Secretary | Have I Got Salt For You? | LD DL 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Broken record, mate.

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        It was edgy, though, was it not?

        [–]HaveADreamBBC | Shadow Health Secretary | Have I Got Salt For You? | LD DL 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        How is it edgy to say he doesn't care about your opinion?

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's not so much about what he said, more about the way he said it to try and look cool by appealing to acceptable, fashionable opinions.

        [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

        >use the word fuck

        >haha that'll show dese nodsi fashists xD

        [–]ContrabannedTheMCHeadline Writer, Token Leftie #2 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

        uses picture of dead child for memeing purposes

        haha that'll show dese leftee faggs

        [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        What?

        [–]cripplingaddiction -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I think it's trying to communicate.

        [–]reichsadlerNFP (Sweden) 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        As someone with a little bit of insight in the party, i can assure you that The Vanguard isn't a fascist party. I would ask you and everyone that agrees with you to define what makes them fascist, but i know you won't because you are simply looking for an excuse to make them look bad (not that there's anything wrong with fascism, but still).

        [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hear, hear!

        [–]nissnpig5 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Cummon guys the revaltionary communists have the best non xenophonic memes around why not join them ?

        [–]sZjLsFtAThe Rt Hon. Earl of Oystermouth AL PC 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        And no, I will not be "mature" about fascism like some pompous above-the-fray fuckwits

        I imagine I come under that banner. I don't like that people are being bullied, but I don't think swearing and being aggressive will help anything.

        Though I will say that staying out of conflict (that is unrelated to the actual purpose of the subreddit) is not pompous or makes people 'fuckwits'. In fact if you had named specific people that would have been as hurtful as some have been to others. I choose not to voice my displeasure with jokes or statements I find offensive, but that doesn't mean I approve of them. Maybe that's just passivity or whatever but those who choose to be polite or 'mature' to everyone regardless of what they may think of their views is not something to be insulted or shamed.

        [–]cptp28Conservative| MP for South London 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I am no fan of the Vanguard at all but this article is an absolute joke. Firstly, and I'm sure many will agree, my dislike for fascism is equal to my dislike for communism, they are both horrible and oppressive ideologies and this can be proven throughout history. Secondly, you literally call people who believe in this ideology "less than human". That is fucking despicable. You think they are less than human because of their political views? You should be ashamed of yourself and might I add that fascists also believe people who old a certain ideology are less than human so you are also a hypocrite. Your intolerance for this ideology is vile. Also you say how fascism has been the cause for horrible regimes throughout history, which is right. But guess what other ideology has caused many more deaths than fascism ever did? Communism. The member should be ashamed of himself for writing this article.

        [–]DevonianADHis Grace, the Duke of Devonshire 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

        On both the subreddit and on Skype you and your friends constantly tell people that being a Fascist or member of a "Fascist" Party (The Vanguard is not) is not a "normal" thing. However what exactly is wrong with being against the norm?

        If everyone insisted, as you do, that people police their thoughts as to maintain them within what is considered "normal", then ideologies such as Socialism and Communism would have never arisen at all. No new ideas would come to the forefront of society; the greatest human asset, the mind and thought, would be effectively neutered.

        If you are so insistent that Fascism is not "normal", and as such anyone who has Fascist feelings should police them and block them out, then you ought to do the same with your own Communistic feelings and join the Labour Party because that would be the "normal" course of action. Perhaps you ought to suppress any non-heterosexual thoughts you have too while you're at it.

        [–]greece666= Evening Star 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

        /u/Timanfya

        The first screenshot comes from RSP's private chat.

        We kindly request that it be removed.

        [–]DevonianADHis Grace, the Duke of Devonshire 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

        I screenshotted it from the main chat.

        [–]greece666= Evening Star 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Thanks for clarifying this.

        [–]DevonianADHis Grace, the Duke of Devonshire 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The full screenshot from the main chat if anyone was interested.

        Pretty harsh words about a very kind and friendly member, is this the new style of the left?

        [–]RlackVanguard MP l Kent & East Sussex 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Nice to see that this has resulted in unnecessarily personal attacks on us. If they're accusing us of harassment, pot meet kettle.

        [–]SeyStoneDaily Lefty Crocodile Tears 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

        they made a fucking video where they glorified hypothetically murdering multiple other members of the house.

        Are you being serious? Some of the criticisms may well be valid but I can't take this one seriously at all.

        [–]RlackVanguard MP l Kent & East Sussex 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

        It's the typical doublethink of the modern left - claiming to be o-so-oppressed and victimised, while simultaneously calling for the outright banning of a political force bounding from strength to strength.

        It's nonsense like this that drew me away from the modern left entirely.

        [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

        The revolution is not about banning fascists. Oh we'll do much worse with time

        [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

        The revolution is not about banning fascists. Oh we'll do much worse with time.

        Will it start at Starbucks or the Apple Store, Comrade?

        [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

        It doesn't matter, all workers must be liberated

        [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Too bad you guys would get gunned down by the Police or anyone with an IQ over 10. I'm just being realistic.

        [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        oh dear.

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

        This thread gets edgier and edgier.

        [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Of course. You arrived

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I actually arrived in the thread about 2 hours ago mate.

        [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Congratulations on not having cut yourself on that edge

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        ok

        [–]CocktorpedoJustice Minister + Mirror Editor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's the typical doublethink of the modern left - claiming to be o-so-oppressed and victimised, while simultaneously calling for the outright banning of a political force bounding from strength to strength. It's nonsense like this that drew me away from the modern left entirely.

        this is actually cringeworthy mate

        [–]cptp28Conservative| MP for South London 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hear hear. Just to clarify are they referring to the party political broadcast the Vanguard made? If so then that is a fucking joke.

        [–]SPQR1776 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Plaid Cymru would never go into a coalition with a party like the Vanguard irl. Alex moving to do that is just turning the sub into a joke.

        I also have to agree with Dan, I am very disappointed in Peter and rlack.

        [–]colossalteuthidRadical Socialist Party 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hear, hear.

        [–]willo77Lord of Norton-sub-Hamdon PL | SSoS For Defence 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Sorry but since when did we have to do things that would only happen in real life? Doesn't that defeat the object a little bit? A communist party in Government would never have happened in real life, how dare you turn this sub into a joke!

        [–]SPQR1776 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I'm not saying that we need to stick to realisticness, but rather that Alex joining with the Vanguard shows how serious he actually takes this simulation. It makes no sense for a fascist party and a progressive centre-left party to work together. He's not doing it because it furthers his goals, the Vanguard don't even support Welsh devolution, but simply because he thinks its funny, because "memes." The fact that memes are now starting to actually influence the politics of this sub is absolutely terrible.

        [–]willo77Lord of Norton-sub-Hamdon PL | SSoS For Defence 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        What makes you think that this potential OO is simply a meme?

        [–]Amusei 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I think you are projecting your own visions of what fascism is upon a political party. You seem to use "fascism" as a catch-all bad word to describe people that you do not agree with ideologically.

        To think that the Vanguard are, in your words, "contributing to people's suffering" is completely hyperbolic and diminishing the trials that people that are truly suffering have to go through.

        Not only that, but it looks as if you were indoctrinated and don't want to take your glasses off, because fascism includes very little of what you have described it to be.

        [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

        My dear boy, I have seen it repeatedly stated that your lot are going to bash the fash. When people on the far right protest, the anti-fascists come out in their masses, relying on intimidation to deny them their voice.

        Vanguard are a subset whether or not some internet teenagers think there's pedantics to be had.

        Said a teenager on the internet following communism. I know, the crisis of whataboutism, but I don't see why you are so learned on the subject.

        caring about emotion and intuition over reason

        You have based your argument for the most part on anecdotal evidence.

        Those people who we apparently bullied off seem to reappear a couple of months, sometimes weeks, sometimes days, later. And why? Because they are playing people like you for fools. They are manufacturing controversy, and people like you fall for it. And then suddenly my party gets blamed for everything without any proof of wrong doing! Guilty until proven innocent has often been the way of the Commies.

        And this, this is why there has been defections. Aside from a general shared view of statism and respect for our nation, there are many across this House who simply get bored of the humourless and relentless nature of your sorts. By all means call us out when we are rude or innappropriate, but you do more than this. You are acting as though our thugs are out on the streets attacking homosexuals and blacks. You demand our bans at every turn. You brigade our comments. You swear at us, you are rude to us, and claim it is justified because of some imagined insult. And then, you belittle us and our ideas. You belittle the history of this country, and the sacrifices our ancestors made, because you have some utopian ideal. All of this, in an internet game, makes one very jaded with your sort.

        You're not a friend, and to me you are less than human.

        At least we recognise transgender people as human. Get over yourself.

        [–]TheInfernalRainMorning Star 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

        to me you are less than human.

        This is indeed an awful statement. No person is 'less than human'.

        At least we recognise transgender people as human

        Your friend /u/Spudgunn doesn't...

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yes I do. What a terrible lie.

        [–]AlbrechtVonRoonThe Vanguard 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Of course he recognises them as human. But like me he doesn't accept that they have honestly changed sex.

        [–]TheInfernalRainMorning Star 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        They haven't changed sex. That, as far as I know, is a scientific impossibility.

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Well there you go. Stop pretending they have.

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I will not read or reply to comments.

        Okay, I will not read or reply to this article then. Cheerio!

        [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You failed

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I haven't read the article, and I haven't replied to anything in the article apart from, of course, that closing sentence. I did what I said I would do.

        [–]HabsburgerPatriot Press -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Quid pro quo.

        [–]HabsburgerPatriot Press 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Brave post 'swedish' gomrade. Nice brigading as well, I suppose it is the Eletronic Tasers of the Red Brigades? Haha. There's no need to parody you reds; you do the job yourselves. Thanks for proving our points.

        [–]colossalteuthidRadical Socialist Party 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        lol are you implying that Psy isn't swedish?

        [–]I_miss_Chris_HughtonConservative -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

        A lot of the things you just said could also be said about Communism though. I could say 'Communism is opposed to the very being of us. Priests, buisness owners, Political opponents, Farmers' and, given the track record of communism, I wouldn't be incorrect.

        To me, both are toxic, hatefilled, and just plain wrong ideologies that belong in the dustbin of history. Does that mean I'm going to try and shut both you down? no. The Vanguard and the far left parties (after some birthing pains) have grown to be respected members of the /r/mhoc community and I wouldn't have it any other way.

        (in any case, IRL the vanguard would probably meet with far more success than the communists)

        [–]ContrabannedTheMCHeadline Writer, Token Leftie #2 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I think you're getting Mao and Stalin mixed up with all communists. Apart from the RCP (who are just as bad as the Vanguard) everyone on the left realises this.

        [–]DevonianADHis Grace, the Duke of Devonshire 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Are you not getting Hitler mixed up with all Fascists?

        [–]rexrex600Radical Socialist Party | Central London MP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hitler was a particularly nasty fascist. Stalin was too

        [–]I_miss_Chris_HughtonConservative -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They still committed horrific crimes under the banner of Communism though. If I walked up to you with a fascist flag and procalimed 'its okay, people get the Nazi's confused with true fascism' you'd think I was mental. The reality is is that now that we've seen what people can do using communism we, as a species and a civilisation, have rather lost a taste for it. Not to mention the reality that there are people alive in the UK today who can point at their family tree at people who they knew and can ascribe the cause of death as 'murdered by communists'. The left doesn't realize that the name 'communism' is almost as toxic as fascist to many people.

        [–]Pallas_The Rt Hon. Lord Pallas_ of Ravenscar PC PL MBE -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

        TL;DR.

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        "Fuck fascism, fascists are less than human, I'm morally superior because I'm Swedish and a communist."

        "And although your party doesn't fit into any objective definition of a fascist party you're still fascist because it's convenient for me."

        [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        "I'm Swedish look how tolerant I am!!! :D"

        [–]alphaepsilon3Vanguard -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

        The brigading is real.

        [–]colossalteuthidRadical Socialist Party 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

        or everyone just hates your stupid party

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        You are openly admitting to downvoting other users, a bannable offence under the rules of /r/MHOC and all of its other subdreddits.

        [–]colossalteuthidRadical Socialist Party 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Nope, that's not what I said

        [–]SpudgunnOther news outlets are available 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You're giving a justification to downvoting, en-masse. It's like you don't even want to hide it.

        [–]HabsburgerPatriot Press 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The polls demonstrate otherwise.