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∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt が 投稿 - stickied post

Allow me to introduce you to an idea I've been kicking around for a while:

[Link removed. If you want to see it, PM me.]

I'm going to be heading this up personally and fully intend for this to someday become a legitimate fraternity or private organization you'll be able to join in colleges around the country. Consider this my contribution towards bursting the misandry bubble.

For the time being I envision this serving as a replacement for PUA "lairs" and a kind of red pill Fight Club where we can meet in real life to coordinate events and mentor one another. Saying you're going to a fraternity meeting is orders of magnitude more acceptable and low-key that using all the PUA and TRP community lingo that can set off red flags in people who are still plugged in.

Ultimately I want to create local chapters around the country for men who have like-minded ideals and have taken the red pill to be able to experience the kind of camaraderie I enjoyed in my military and PUA days.

And on that note, one of the main causes of me wanting to do this was when Meetup decided in their infinite wisdom to start deleting all of the PUA groups that had sprung up over the years. Having an official fraternity is under the radar in a variety of ways and I think long term will legitimize red pill philosophy and give it a push to becoming more mainstream as our philosophy spreads openly in the public, even if we don't call ourselves Red Pill or use familiar terms.

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[–]SexyDeviI 149ポイント150ポイント  (75子コメント)

  1. First rule of Red Pill, don't talk and debate about Red Pill in real world. Let alone make a debate club about it.
  2. Law 38: Think as you like, but behave like others - don't start breaking the laws of Power. It killed Caesar, it can kill us too if we go too far.
  3. Red Pill is not some form of societal hippy movement looking to bring societal change or gang up in completing James Bond style covert mission such as fucking sorority bitches with implementation of RP philosophy.

Making something like this only exposes you and makes you vulnerable, even though the idea is revolutionary, it's not worth implementing.

[–]2rp_valiant 10ポイント11ポイント  (12子コメント)

I agree in some ways, but I suspect what we'd be better off doing is looking to historical groups that were persecuted and to see how they got away with holding public meetings. Conspiracy theories aside, one of the prime examples is the Freemasons. They used a cover story (stone masons society) and related language as code and misdirection to hide their real purpose. You couldn't talk real Freemason stuff until you'd verified the other person as a member using call-and-response challenges and handshakes. I wonder whether the teachings of history could be applied here?

Ideas for cover explanations that might work:

  • Regular college campus frats - non-college-age members could be grandfathered in as alumni
  • RP-friendly companies with social covers - gym, coffee shop (waking life lol), bar, etc. Side note, fight club was held in the basement of a sympathising bartender so your fight club comparisons make no sense
  • Interest groups - philosophy club, stoicism society, etc.

I haven't detailed the challenges and handshakes (grips) of freemasons here because a lot goes into it, but you can find them on google. It's all very coded and clever which I think is why conspiracy theorists love to accuse them of stuff, but really it's more a humanist organisation slash fraternity with lots of folklore built in.

[–]GuruDev1000 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Listen. Fight Club must be a cool thing to talk about, but it is a movie, not real life. In reality, someone who rents out their place or is a member of the group can easily become 'disillusioned' and decide to give up the secrecy to outsiders.

What if they also decide that a local crime was probably committed by someone from their ex-group, you know, since its a group of misogynists? They may go to the police.

We have to learn from the past, but not blindly. The Freemasons did what they did with the best possibilities of that time. Today, we have the internet. And we can change locations on the net without a fraction of the trouble required for something similar in real life. Same is the case with the identity of a person.

A better option, of if local 'brotherhood' is important, is to still use technology in net spaces and then move onto informal meets in a groups or one-on-one, but to never rely on physical locations as the main meeting spots.

Another advantage of internet is that one can look at things a bit more detachedly, without bringing in their ego, and thus causing a barrier to learning or teaching. That is my opinion, without any scientific backing.

[–]200mgtestc 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fight Club was a great movie (and a better book), but its adoption by a wide variety of people, themes and ideas just seems so crazy.

Roger Ebert:

Of course, "Fight Club" itself does not advocate Durden's philosophy. It is a warning against it, I guess; one critic I like says it makes "a telling point about the bestial nature of man and what can happen when the numbing effects of day-to-day drudgery cause people to go a little crazy." I think it's the numbing effects of movies like this that cause people go to a little crazy. Although sophisticates will be able to rationalize the movie as an argument against the behavior it shows, my guess is that audience will like the behavior but not the argument. Certainly they'll buy tickets because they can see Pitt and Norton pounding on each other; a lot more people will leave this movie and get in fights than will leave it discussing Tyler Durden's moral philosophy.

[–]GuruDev1000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said. Never thought about that.

[–]2rp_valiant 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Noone has talked about what this group might actually do. I'm not talking about some super secret conspiratorial stuff. Just a group place for masculine men to get together and shoot the shit. The whole "secrecy" thing was just for the optional extra of having an inner TRP spreading core, but that's not even necessary nor the important part in my eyes.

[–]TomTheStoicTownsend 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I started a local stoicism society. We have been operating for 8 months now with weekly meetings. Some things I should share:

  • it drew a few young and "net positive" members, but most are old, ugly, weird, fat, jobless, or too liberal

  • most group members are "modern stoics," so they do not support male exclusivity of any kind

  • it's been beneficial for me personally, but has not grown into the "steel sharpens steel" group I envisioned

  • one invited their sister to a meeting, who was cool. Another invited two very stereotypical "cat ladies" that have significantly reduced the quality of the group.

To wrap this up, I am in favor of private groups, but inevitably they become victims of their own success. The only way to keep a group in the "sweet spot" is to maintain a decentralized structure, adhere to a hierarchy of leadership based on respect and investment (read: don't give the new guy speaking privileges), and to stick to core competencies. The TRP online community seems to already achieve these things. Like they always say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Finally, stoicism in general is pretty cool, but it actually rejects a good chunk of TRP ideas. So keep that in mind before assuming it is "the source" of TRP style thinking. Like anything else, there is a kernel of truth in it.

[–]2rp_valiant 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wouldn't go so far as to say that stoicism is the source of TRP, especially considering stoicism eschews the highs of following hedonistic desires (unless you buy into an Epicurean branch). But there is definitely some tie-in.

As for group dynamics, I think it would have to be a referral-based system rather than open invite, primarily to avoid the kind of problems you experienced.

[–]TomTheStoicTownsend 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most definitely. Good to learn these things early though. Also, I was initially drawn to stoicism because I mistakenly believed it was the source of masculinity. I've learned a lot of masculine things from it, but it can be too pacifist for my taste sometimes. Want to cautious others that may share in my prior misunderstanding

[–]Thizzlebot 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

You guys are doing too much, RP is about being a real man not this bs "secret club" shit.

[–]2rp_valiant 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

you know about 150 years ago plenty of men did this "secret club" stuff right? All I'm talking about is the idea of how to have an "inner circle" TRP group within a larger gentlemen's club where you can socialise with other guys and do cool stuff together. But if you want to feel super edgy by going it alone then fine.

P.S. one of the mods created this thread. Mods define what TRP is, so by a mod creating this discussion then clearly the idea of "a secret club" is something TRP might be moving towards.

[–]Longest_username 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

lmao not sure if your serious rp_valiant

[–]Thizzlebot -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mods define what TRP is

lol not really.RP is more like art, the artist can draw whatever they want but once it's in the public it's up for interpretation. RP will always be here, if the mods decided to be overlords for some reason we would just locate somewhere else.

[–]2rp_valiant 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mods do act as a guiding influence. TRP is a personal philosophy so of course you're free to take or leave each part, but if a mod supports an idea on the TRP sub then that idea could be considered to be a part of TRP.

Noone's telling you you have to support the idea. But if you tell me what TRP is or isn't I'm likely not going to agree with you. If I think that forming a men's social club off the back of TRP is a good idea, I'll support it. Don't get so caught up in the what TRP is/isn't debate.

[–]Thesegates 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Now hold on a minute. Take a look at the free masons, they are doing it right. That's what we need. A fraternity isn't it. It's a club like the free masons. This way we can guarantee secrecy and not have some stupid college kids running around trying to take down what's been created. The free masons are not easy to get in and they hold secrecy to the highest degree. You always must be checked on by other free masons to make sure you're legit and deserve to be there. You always have to have people who are willing to put in at least as much as they get back. This is the only thing that could make this work and not crumble.

Take this serious and to that level or don't do it at all.

It could be as easy as getting someone in each state to start recruiting. And do check ins with the mods.

[–]SexyDeviI 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can't compare the organizational structure of free masons to this. Masons are led by an extremely small group of people situated in the top of the pyramid whose goals and mission is completely unknown but debated through centuries.

The lower ranks of Masons (up to the 33rd and even those are oblivious to most of the deepest truths of the order) which consist 99.99% of the membership don't have the faintest clue why they do what they do, what the rituals are about and for what purpose they're conducted. They just know its part of the Order's history and that they have to do it.

This? How secretive can the 'fraternity' be when its mission (without serious details on implementation) is clearly stickied in the Red Pill sub and blatantly expressed in FB page?

Also the purpose and goal of this would be 'fraternity' is completely different from Masons and similar orders.

Get fucking serious people. Don't you have anything better to do?

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can't compare the organizational structure of free masons to this. Masons are led by an extremely small group of people situated in the top of the pyramid whose goals and mission is completely unknown but debated through centuries.

Sounds a lot like our own sub, albeit we've only been around a few years.

[–]Longest_username -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

you know who else is like this? Feminists.

[–]Thesegates -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't mean it in the context of mission. All members could have knowledge of the mission. I mean that this shit will crumble without seriousness and the right people involved. It can be done and would develop much more comradery than Reddit could offer. It could also save people's lives in college who want to kill themselves. Unlike a fraternity it won't be all about partying, it will be more about developing life and teaching the ways of woman. Don't be such a downer, don't you think some of the best things were created when people like you said stuff like that.

[–]A_Redpill_Neckbeard 4ポイント5ポイント  (19子コメント)

  1. How is this talking about RP in the real world? It's a fraternity.

  2. That doesn't apply here. It's a private fraternity that you join. The way law 38 works is that every circumstance has unwritten rules that you have to be careful about breaking. If you go too far, you can get punished, but living life is inherently risky. And if we take law 38 all the way, does that mean we should all marry up these post wall sluts and become worker-drones the way society wants? We should all just shut up and never color outside the lines? All while thinking red pill but acting like soul-less, emasculated shells of human beings. Yeah... fuck that.

  3. He doesn't want to start a movement. I recommend "The Way of Men" by Donovan if you haven't read it. He's essentially trying to create gangs of men where men can get in touch with their masculinity and find more satisfaction and happiness in their life. This is sorely needed in our culture. And if you haven't read that book, the word gang here will turn you off, but yeah... read it.

Making something like this only exposes you and makes you vulnerable, even though the idea is revolutionary, it's not worth implementing.

Let's all be scared little pussy faggots and hide on the internet then.

Fucking "men" these days.

[–]SexyDeviI 11ポイント12ポイント  (16子コメント)

where we can meet in real life to coordinate events and mentor one another. Saying you're going to a fraternity meeting is orders of magnitude more acceptable and low-key that using all the PUA and TRP community lingo that can set off red flags in people who are still plugged in.

  1. Are you saying that meeting, organizing and coordinating events doesn't include 'talking'? Have you ever heard of Dark Triad? Machiavellinism? Laws of Power? Have you even read the sidebar? Are you seriously going to go hamster full retard on me right now?
  2. You're either so deep in anger phase it clouded your ability for logical and analytical reasoning or you're IQ is in dangerously low red zone. Do you really think that's what this Law of Power is about? Marry post-wall sluts, become worker-drones? Son, what the fuck are you hamstering about? The fact that living life does have some inherent risk doesn't justify retarded behavior. Driving a car has an inherent risk. Driving a car drunk and senseless with 90Mph speed and passing through the red light does not make you less of an "soul-less, emasculated shell of human being" you are so afraid of being, it just makes you retarded. And has the potential to hurt you in long term, which is opposite of what RP is about.
  3. He is essentially trying what every movement looking to bring societal change attempted and failed at horribly for the previous several thousands of years. He is trying to organize, group up, and bring upon a desired change because he feels too emasculated and unable to do it by himself. Red Pill ain't a movement, you don't get a fucking support group. Red Pill is the only actionable system in the history of society made for advancement in the current societal system as it is without desiring to change the system itself but enable men to thrive more fiercely inside it. A.k.a. taking responsibility and not asking for a lighter burden, but broader shoulders.

Thanks for the book recommendation, I've read it probably much before you could phantom the idea of Red Pill. Here's a homework for you: Machiavelli the Prince, 48 Laws of Power, Meditations, The Art of Worldly Wisdom, Antifragile: Things that Gain from Disorder, Mastery.

Having an official fraternity is under the radar in a variety of ways and I think long term will legitimize red pill philosophy and give it a push to becoming more mainstream as our philosophy spreads openly in the public

This is wrong on so many levels it'd take writing a whole book to express how senseless it is. Pushing Red Pill into the mainstream? Altruism? Feeling of depth to society? Social revolution? Spreading our philosophy openly in the public? Making it 'mainstream'? Have you gone mad?

Report back when you've done your homework and swallowed the Red Pill kid. And stop that irrational emotional hamstering, it's a disgraceful behavior for a semi-grown man.

[–]2rp_valiant 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

Bear in mind that the thread poster was bsutansalt, one of the mod team. You don't need to parrot the whole "Red Pill is for individuals, it's not a movement" to him. What he's proposing is to -make- it into a movement. At some point, fight club becomes project mayhem, so to speak.

[–]SexyDeviI 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

What he's proposing is more than precisely and clearly stated by himself:

For the time being I envision this serving as a replacement for PUA "lairs" and a kind of red pill Fight Club where we can meet in real life to coordinate events and mentor one another

legitimize red pill philosophy and give it a push to becoming more mainstream as our philosophy spreads openly in the public

This won't work. The idea is a deep cry of noble intent and enthusiasm for the Red Pill but it's nearly unimplementable (and potentially dangerous). Who'll filter and screen whether the applicants for the 'fraternity' are real deal or fakes/betas/SJW's? Who will create tests for screening? How will they be conducted? Who will rent the place for meetings? How will that be financed? How will you ensure secrecy? How will you fight the feminists and sjw's constantly bugging you? Who will be in charge of that? Who will be the leader, who will set the rules of conduct? What if all those young guns hyped on testosterone and will to dominate start with verbal and possibly physical conflicts during meetings/actions? Who will have the power to subdue them? Who will create rules? Who will enforce them? How? And many more unanswered questions.

Bothering with all of that alongside constantly fighting off SJW's in order to create a RP male support group is a futile effort. Look at the Mike Cernovich of D&P - the man can't even publish the location of his Seminar because it will get Swatted. What kind of problems do you think a bunch of Red Pillers organizing in order to push their ideology into the mainstream will face?

Could we win? Fuck yes. We're smarter, stronger, better. Is it worth it? Fuck no.

I'll rather go make a shit ton of money, bang plates, enjoy life with my mates and do extreme sports than waste my time and energy trying to change society and make it more Red Pill.

I suggest all interested in this do the same. Get a life. You won't need Project Mayhem's and senseless drama to feel alive then.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Allow me to clarify...

Making our philosophy more mainstream would just be a side benefit as more men joined the fraternity on campuses, same as how our philosophy has spread across reddit in recent years. Look at how palatable our ideas are when you don't use red pill lingo. Blue pillers across social media openly agree with us when they don't realize an idea originated here.

Bottom line, our philosophy being mainstream is not a goal in of itself. That will come about organically as the mere exposure effect of red pill philosophy increases.

[–]Dr_Killpatient 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm seeing cognitive dissonance (correct me if I'm wrong).

You want RP to become more mainstream, but yet you see the need to remove the RP terms and lingo. I agree that the RP message needs to be spread, but how can it be, if it has been stripped of everything that identifies it as Red Pill?

It's like you want to create a motorcycle club, but tell people to bring only their bicycles.

And members should only be recruited if they've expressed some secret knowledge, such as using terms that might hint to being red pill, or you know them through pickup.

What stops some mangina/whiteknight with marginal understanding of RP from parroting RP knowledge, getting accepted, and then doxxing everyone in the fraternity on some feminist menstrual cesspit like Jezebel? Apart from nothing.

If I would want to join a RP fraternity, then I would expect to get a red armband and a shirt with a red pill on it. I wouldn't expect to hide and filter my statements in fear of being browbeaten by some hairy armpit feminist or one of her limp chinned male lackeys.

[–]toaster_t 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd caution you to make that very clear to prospective members, that this is NOT a movement.

The cautionary tale I'd tell you is the Free State Project. In a nutshell it was a plan for 20,000 libertarians to move to one state, in an attempt to influence local politics. The original plan was to do this within 5 years. Well, 5 years came and went and the movement took on a life of its own. Meanwhile, more than 15 years later, those 20,000 people still haven't shown up. Originally the goal was to have a working movement, or not. Now the goal is to have a movement - no matter if it's working or not. But they have a camping trip once a year, so there's that.

The point is that a movement for social change will attract people who want to be a part of a movement - not improve themselves and their brothers.

[–]2rp_valiant -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Basically what you're saying is that it's a good idea, but it seems like a lot of effort that you personally would not be willing to put in. All the questions you asked are answerable, and I think it's fairly obvious that it wouldn't be openly red pill. That's a bad idea from the get-go. I think individual referrals vetted by senior members would work well to ensure that the standards are maintained.

There's a lot of questions around this, and I think it's a good thing that bsutansalt has raised the idea so that we can figure out whether there's interest enough to actually start answering them. I can tell you for a start that I could personally fund one of these clubs, and then get my money back over time from subs. But unless there's interest there's no point expending the effort to figure out how to make it water-tight.

[–]SexyDeviI 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Basically what you're saying is that it's a good idea

No. I'm saying exactly the opposite. If you've read my comments on this thread, you'd realize that by now.

[–]2rp_valiant -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

to quote your comment

Could we win? Fuck yes. We're smarter, stronger, better.

By good idea I mean you agree it could work.

[–]SexyDeviI 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

We could also win at a pissing contest which doesn't preclude that it's a good idea.

This idea is not beneficial and in line with the goals of a true Red Piller. There's nothing "good" about it.

[–]2rp_valiant -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

think about it this way. When you've gotten to the point when you're happy in yourself, you have a solid plate rotation, have a great time with your mates etc. and still look around and see 90% of men being kept in beta stasis, some of whom are deeply depressed but don't know why, and think the current state of affairs is the way men are meant to be, do you not want to help? If you don't that's fine, but some of us do and it's difficult to do so and try to change the landscape without some kind of way of organising with other RPers. The internet is not a venue for organising change.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

What he's proposing is to -make- it into a movement. At some point, fight club becomes project mayhem, so to speak.

Maybe, maybe not. It's mostly just creating a safe space for men to be men. We have that here in TRP online, but men need a place in the real world too. I think this fraternity could provide that function. It'll also help men organize their own events, such as the mentorship I offer, that was stripped away when Meetup deleted all the PUA-related groups.

[–]thrway1312 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I must say, four weeks into pledging a fraternity as a 24-year-old junior, I love the idea of a RP-based fraternity; my pledge brothers and I have become so close but I feel our fraternity is failing us somewhat by emphasizing the aspects of being a gentleman more so than self-improvement. It would be amazing to spread the fraternal bond while simultaneously opening eyes to how the world truly operates.

[–]IDontLikeUsernamez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When your a pledge your still an outsider to the brothers..I think you'll be surprised how red pill most of the guys actually are, they just know better than to teach it to pledges.

[–]2rp_valiant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

well, I think overall there are two ideas being discussed in the thread that are getting mixed up. One is a man-club for manly men, and the other is a vehicle for TRP philosophy. It would make more sense to discuss in separate threads in turn, on their own merits, but c'est la vie.

[–]juliusstreicher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's essentially trying to create gangs of men where men can get in touch with their masculinity and find more satisfaction and happiness in their life. This is sorely needed in our culture. And if you haven't read that book, the word gang here will turn you off...

Which is ironic...because when you look at 'gang' culture, you see that many of it's proponents are multimillionaires, get on TV as celebrities, get invited to the White House, etc...

Back in the day being a 'gangster' was scorned, but, for the last 20 years, any kind of 'gang', 'crew' or 'posse' gives one an element and aura of power.

[–]the99percent1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This 100%..

Also, kudos to the mods for letting alternative PoV stand on a stickied post..

Other subs would've seen a constructive, yet opposing view downvoted to oblivion or deleted.

[–]juliusstreicher -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

A.The first rule of Red Pill, as indicated on all TRP posts (except your strange addendum, which you include as canon) is "Don't talk about RP", not what you wrote. This doesn't mean not to talk about it-It means don't go shooting your mouth off about it to the Uninitiated, don't cast pearls before swine. WTF did you get 'debate club'? For that matter, WTF did you get the bizarre idea that one couldn't organize a fraternity in real life, as one has done on this sub??? "Not talking about TRP", in TRP context doesn't mean that we are to take a vow of silence and never speak, even in private, like a band of assassins.

B. The Laws of Power aren't real laws; the book is a collection of guidelines. You'll find, in real life, that many people who break the 'laws' thrive just about as well as those who adhere to them. You'll find that, had Caesar had a fraternity, he wouldn't have ended up like he did.

C. The proposal of the OP wouldn't expose one and make one any more vulnerable than we already are; it would give us an additional resource. Think of women's groups-they are "exposed", and they, more or less, control the fucking world.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Making something like this only exposes you and makes you vulnerable, even though the idea is revolutionary, it's not worth implementing.

Your fear is paralyzing. I won't countenance such thinking.

[–]CptDefB 36ポイント37ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't actually log in too much, but I will for this one. Some thoughts.

  • The first thing I did was google Sigma Iota Phi. There is already an established fraternity named Phi Sigma Iota. I don't live in the US, so I don't know how people respond to such close similarities.
  • Red and black should not be the colors. Yes, they're masculine, but as others have mentioned, any association to red or pills, shouldn't be there. Blue and white can present a very crisp, clean, "PC" image. Black and blue also, like the night mode I'm looking at. The irony of using blue to infiltrate blue would also be nice.
  • The mascot must be a Trojan Horse. Please. Why? "Because we admire what the Greeks did at Troy and many other aspects of greek culture like... blah blah blah" Baby talk for the masses. "Because you are Neo, we are Morpheus, and we're about to change your life." Straight talk for the homies.
  • Others have mentioned Illuminati, Masons, Skull & Bones... there is definitely something to be learned from the way those groups operate. Say what you want about conspiracy theories, but power is power, which is why these groups always draw the ire of the majority who doesn't have as much of it.
  • Anything about sexual marketplace, also has to go. I believe it was Oscar Wilde (I'm going off memory, fuck Google), who said "Everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power." If all the things we do, translate to money or growth as a person which can revert back into more money, follow along now... and money usually gets all the sex you want... Everything is about money, except money. Money is about power. You can convey the exact same message with power talk, leaving the straight talk for behind closed doors, and the baby talk on your About Us page.

  • It doesn't take long to think of men's club type activities, but in order to keep the signal pure, per se, I think they should all revolve around the tenets we have here; a book club so the mind is always growing, gymbros to push other gymbros, entrepreneurial support to help each man become a self made man, and just doing useful shit as a group: wood/glass/iron workshops, camping/fishing/hunting trips, coding/cooking (not like they will, lol)/knitting (or at least learning how to fix your buttons when they get loose/fall off)/other auxiliary skills (Robert Heinlein's quote comes to mind here) you see where I'm going. Useful life skills that a man may actually rely on as opposed to "let's just do this because it's fun". That said, leisure is required but the the frat should place a higher regard for chess/go/pool/etc than your average person's passtime, as an example. These are the things that should be used to promote the group.

  • TRP IS NOT ABOUT SELF IMPROVEMENT. IT'S ABOUT SEXUAL STRATEGY. Okay. I get that. In which case, while the frat is doing all of the above, ABC applies. Always Be Closing. Shopping for your well made meal plan? Well now you have bros encouraging you to hit on that girl they caught you eyeing down the aisle. It's during these times, literally hiding in plain sight (Morpheus taught Neo inside the Matrix, not outside), that everything else TRP has to offer becomes relevant. Once you've got pledges or whatever, aka, people you're willing to have beside you as you climb excellence mountain, then they can learn all this other shit. Also, the text in caps is all the more reason the frat shouldn't be associated with TRP at all. TRP is one resource among many others we use to conquer the world (or more aptly, our place in it). We just so happened to meet at the nexus of what we as men all enjoy; women. A frat for getting laid is already every other frat on a popular campus. If this frat is to achieve more, then it should be about more, than just core red pill theories regarding the sexual marketplace.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

The mascot must be a Trojan Horse.

I've thought about this for a while, and that was the push I needed.

TRP IS NOT ABOUT SELF IMPROVEMENT. IT'S ABOUT SEXUAL STRATEGY

Self-improvement IS a core component of men's sexual strategy though. Also, the frat's name is abbreviations of Sexualem Imperatoriis Virorum. Do a quick translation of the frat's name into a Latin to English translator. :smirk:

It doesn't take long to think of men's club type activities, but in order to keep the signal pure, per se, I think they should all revolve around the tenets we have here; a book club so the mind is always growing, gymbros to push other gymbros, entrepreneurial support to help each man become a self made man, and just doing useful shit as a group: wood/glass/iron workshops, camping/fishing/hunting trips, coding/cooking (not like they will, lol)/knitting (or at least learning how to fix your buttons when they get loose/fall off)/other auxiliary skills (Robert Heinlein's quote comes to mind here) you see where I'm going.

The primary activities will initially be centered around those that raise men's SMV. Secondary are those that build camaraderie. Tertiary activities are those that build auxiliary skills that don't directly influence SMV one way or another.

[–]CptDefB 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Self-improvement IS a core component of men's sexual strategy though.

Right on. That point was mainly to address what I see reiterated from the top sometimes, but put in a coexistant context like that, it makes much more sense.

The primary activities will initially be centered around those that raise men's SMV. Secondary are those that build camaraderie. Tertiary activities are those that build auxiliary skills that don't directly influence SMV one way or another.

This is perfect. Three tiers of activities that each serve a specific purpose toward bettering men. Something general like this would allow each chapter to have their own blend of pri/sec/ter activities. The Southern California chapter can go surfing, the Ottawa, Canada chapter? Not so much. Less work for the top when things are so modular.

I genuinely think this can become a thing. The obstacles presented by people are simply that. Henry Ford had them. The Wright brothers had them. Google X uses a similar process of "let's find all the reasons this won't work" for their moonshot projects, etc.

I like the debugging code approach you're taking. After enough incubation, which may actually take some time, you'll be looking at this project like, "Wow, we finally crossed all the t's, dotted all the i's..." and all the nays here will mean nothing.

Even if the idea manifests itself by way of small scale clubs on campuses... I'd poll TRP's membership for teachers who can help structure a curriculum of sorts... kinda like what you're doing with the monthly challenges, to help independent chapters stay on track with core values. 8 months in a school year means you only really need 8 main challenges.

"Trojan Horse! Trojan Horse! Woo!" (needs more tits and pompoms)

edit: Sexualem Imperatoris Virorum. That's funny. If I had messed with Latin more, I'd try to come up with a baby talk version of the same initials. Alas, I wouldn't even know where to start.

edit2: For all the nays. Yes, Rule #1 of Fight Club says... No disagreement. However, I find it hard not to acknowledge the natural evolution of TRP's growth. What happens at 300k? 500k? 1m? Are men not supposed to find others of a like mind around them, form a tribe, and push on to individual successes via combined energies? Why not? We've been doing this since the beginning of time and change comes whether you want it or not.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the debugging code approach you're taking. After enough incubation, which may actually take some time, you'll be looking at this project like, "Wow, we finally crossed all the t's, dotted all the i's..." and all the nays here will mean nothing.

Exactly. I'm glad others are starting to get it.

[–]UrsusG 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why wasn't this post upvoted more?

It's a voice of reason in the sea of secret society generals and t-shirt peddlers.

[–]MeltzerDriver 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

A bunch of dudes straight-talking about TRP philosophy in a frat like Patrice O'Neal did on his radio shows will not end well. I have no idea how he got away with it and didn't face public scrutiny. (EDIT: Actually thinking about it now, he never really made it far in his career because of how straight forward/blunt he was, so he didn't really get away with it).

If you're going to do this, it has to be more covert/in powertalk language. Make it more about male self improvement, confidence, brotherhood, and positive masculinity. Using TRP jargon like ''SMV'' is going to set off red flags.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Point taken. Notice all of the overt TRP lingo has since been removed. The "straight talk" will happen behind closed doors a la Skull & Bones.

[–]FaustoRMD 38ポイント39ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think a man-only club where you do manly stuff (fishing, boxing, clubbing, lifting and hormonal enhancement, intelectual meetings and debates...the list go on), promoting classic masculinity and portraying it as the highest ideal would be the greatest think ever, even when you don't use a single red pill term. Like the illuminati but being good people.

[–]2rp_valiant 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

These used to be widespread in London and were called Gentlemen's Clubs. I know that word means strip joints now, but it didn't back then. They were male-only organisations that allowed men to meet in private to socialise over a cigar and a fine whiskey, or conduct private business behind closed doors. Members would treat other members favourably in business transactions and thus all members rose up through mutual support. They were the real "old boys clubs". I think there's only really one left, White's on St James Street, London, but they're under constant pressure to admit women.

The real difficulty with starting a group like this, awesome as it would be, would be keeping out women. There's a barbers in Manchester that don't allow women in the premises but they've been under constant media scrutiny and have been repeatedly protested and vandalised by legbeard feminist harpies.

[–]votre-mere 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nah, there are still a fair few about. The east India club is still about on st. James square, which Nigel Farage is a member of, and is strictly no women. The naval and military club is also on there, but that has started accepting women. There's also Boodle's, second oldest after White's, though that is pretty much impossible to get into without being a member of the aristocracy or a prominent Tory politician. That's all I know off off hand, but they're fairly still active, especially with the recent influx of rich Arabs and Russians I imagine.

Fun fact, David Cameron left White's because they wouldn't accept women. He's the most left wing Tory I've ever seen.

As for that Barbers in Manc... What woman wants to have their haircut at a men's barbers? Christ almighty.

[–]2rp_valiant 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

the barbers was more to keep girlfriends and wives out and let guys have a place to shoot the shit. The rational, sane feminists of the world reacted by posting tampons covered in red paint through their door.

[–]UrsusG 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

This, you guys, this.

If you must, create a classic men's club (or clubs, with local chapters, etc) with men's activities.

Talk vaguely about 'realizing your potential' but don't fucking mention the words 'sexual marketplace' on your front page, or you'll be marked as 'PUA creeps' in 0.01 seconds.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The facebook page has been refined. Look again.

[–]votre-mere 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I do think this is the way to do this. Look at the model for Gentlemen's clubs in London. They're very secretive, you can only get in if a member vouches for you or you go through a serious vetting application. If it was shown to be a club of comradeship, manliness and self improvement i.e. focus a lot on inter-club sport activities and gym sessions, as well as stuff like lectures on how to be more confident in day to day life. It will look normal as anything on the outside, and then a month or two into it it can move into a more TRP themed club. I think having an open TRP nationwide club isn't something which could work, but having a more private club could.

[–]Kolbath 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I went looking for fraternal organizations not long ago. Moose. Elks, etc.

I found a bunch of dying old men referring to one another by grandiose names like, "Exalted Ruler". I was saddened by this. Those fraternal organizations did great things in the past, from building homeless shelters to teaching life skills. Hell, when I was growing up, my town had a HAM radio shack staffed entirely by Elks. Any kid could go there and learn HAM. They'd help you study for the license and everything. VOIP Has pretty much killed HAM, but the fact remains that there is no place left where men can be men.

I think we need something like this.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reading up more on the Freemasons and how their goals are secret I like the idea of the fraternity having...secrets. More specifically, secret knowledge in the context of the frat being like this sub when we spread out philosophy in other subs without using red pill terms and lingo. Every time we do those other subs tend to agree with us, sometimes being the most upvoted threads in years. Same could happen with the frat and pledges have to vow to keep their mouths shut about all of the inner workings and red pill specific concepts and terms in public.

[–]silver_nuke13 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I once though we should make a red pill tinder, hang out with pillers in your area

[–]Longest_username 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've found a few on Grindr.

[–]WhetherWizard 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think I've ever seen a post on the sub with ~120 comments, but an overall vote of 0 - clearly telling me that this is something that the community is split on. For some reason, most mods, endorsed contributors etc seem to be in favour of the idea, while those in opposition are almost all TRPers with no real contributions behind their name. (However I'm sure that I, like many others, are still waiting for the opinion of /u/IllimitableMan). Though I dislike the idea of blindly following authority, I'm willing to admit that the concept of a 'fraternity', or anything similar, is something that I too have thought about a lot, even since first finding TRP a few months ago.

It seems that so many people think that subscription to TRP means automatically throwing whatever morality you have down the toilet, or refusing to help other men, even in male spaces (which your fraternity clearly is). So for that reason, upvoting, and agreeing with the idea. I don't see anything wrong with men just trying to be men.

Will you be making selection criteria for this exclusive group public or will you be keeping it private?

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    [–]WhetherWizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've told you what I think, I think it's a good idea. I'm merely waiting to hear Illimitable Man's opinion, as he's a man held in high regard both by myself and this community.

    [–]ManOfGrapes 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just so everyone is aware of the state of Greek Life: it is nearly impossible to stay active on your own terms without the crushing fist of the administration fucking you over. Events have to be registered. If you don't own the house itself outright you can forget about doing half the shit you think you'll be able to do. Fraternity men walk around with targets on the back of their heads -- one of the few reasons they remain open is due to financial contributions from alumni.

    Having said all of that, I would love nothing more than a tangible male space on campus/something I could give back to after graduating. I think there is a way to avoid doxxing/remain mostly anonymous if people thought put their heads together. But ultimately I think it would have to be a smaller, private club that remains largely underground. RP-aware men will (for the near future) remain in the minority, nothing can change that.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Holy shit the comment section is a den of negativity!

    Maybe it's a good idea, maybe it's a bad idea. If you are willing to take the risk, I say go for it. If you build it, they will come! Every man has a different risk appetite, and some guys have to hide in the shadows, while others can say and do what they want (like a Dan Bilzerian). If you succeed, you will be the first and only, and the world will be your oyster. If you crash and burn, well, just another lesson for the rest of us to contemplate.

    I was in a frat in college. It was a studious frat that was expensive as fuck. Looking back I wish I had joined the frat that was full of party animals. They were known for throwing lingerie parties and keggers quite often. Our group was fucking tame in comparison. Damn did I miss the boat on that one.

    There are so many angles to figure out, hurdles to jump, etc. And college males are so flaky and unreliable, it's almost better to recruit guys who have finished their undergrad. A proper gentlemen's club would be fucking great. But, it's your baby. Make it work. Good luck.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Holy shit the comment section is a den of negativity!

    Too many Wannabe-Batemans here, who think that becoming RP does mean that you also inevitably have to try to kill your empathy and stop supporting and helping other people.

    It also sticks out, that all this negativity is exclusively provided by people who didn't provide any notable value to this community and, judging by their words and displayed attitude, also never will.

    They furtherly just prove, that being subbed here does not equal having read all the stuff and surely not having comprehended it and that they haven't even read some of the basic stuff by one of the most profiled members /u/illimitableman. who I bet had to say a thing or two about the glorification of the DT. Although I doubt they would care, looking at those comments another profiled member, who spent hours and hours on creating valueable content and helping guys 101, /u/GayLubeOil got.

    It's still a little bit enraging, that those little fuckers could not succeed in keeping their fucking mouthhole shut and sparred us from their mental diarrhea and most importantly refrained from insulting not only an active mod, but one of the men who helped lay the foundation of what we call TRP today.

    Fuck those little dumbfucks. Seriously. Just piss off. Nobody wants you here. Nobody needs you here. Maybe come back when you have learned just anything about respect and when you are ready to finally give something back in return for the stuff you enjoy here for free. Be happy that I don't enjoy mod-privileges here, since I wouldn't have bothered but just instabanned your lazy asses.

    Also all those idiots who upvote shit like that: Fuck off as well, please.

    TRP is not the fucking fight club. If you can't distinct fiction from reality than you've got way bigger problems than swalling some metaphorical pill.

    [–]justtookit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Of course, don't actually use the phrase "gentleman's club", as it's taken by something else in America.

    [–]RICCIedm 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I like the idea of making something in person (having more RP friends in real life)

    [–]michael_wilkins 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Don't Fraternities have to be allowed on a campus?

    What campus is going to let in a fraternity with the motto tits and wine?

    Unless your going to have your own university. With blackjack and hookers.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Don't Fraternities have to be allowed on a campus?

    Yes. The requirements vary from college to college.

    What campus is going to let in a fraternity with the motto tits and wine?

    That was just for fun. I wish I could get away with that. Maybe that'll be an unofficial motto.

    Unless your going to have your own university. With blackjack and hookers.

    Unlike that frat that booted the chapter when video leaked of one of the guys banging a couple strippers they hired for his birthday, I'd actually support them. "Good on them for having fun consensual sex and shame on those people who would slut shame them for doing so." Basically turn the whole thing on its head by using the buzzwords SJWs love to use as their weapons.

    [–]michael_wilkins 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    But what happens when Universities kick the fraternity off campus?

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I guess the Streisand Effect kicks in and more guys will gravitate towards it.

    [–]TRP_Fraternity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So the university won't let you participate in formal rush, do anything on campus, get university funding etc. and sororities won't mix with you. That's what happens when you get kicked off campus

    [–]ColonelMitchell 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    don't do this. bad idea man.

    [–]GingersInParis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wanna see how this ends up. I predict much doxxing.

    [–]straight_to_the_top 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Good idea, but probably a horrible implementation. Assuming people know the shit you represent, do you realize how much flack you're gonna get from just wearing your fucking letters around? You could probably try to keep membership secret but that'll be difficult too. You're going to have to sugarcoat everything cuz it's gonna reek of creepiness to most people. And the media will help with that.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Adopting aspects of Freemasons and Skull & Bones was a thought. Make it a secret society of sorts where the more specific TRP aspects are only expressed in private.

    [–]gurglemel 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Why is this all about extremes for you? Just take down the page, get rid of the name, and start a new one from scratch that looks just as standard as every other frat out there. Don't write the words "red" or "redpill" anywhere.Get rid of the red colour too.

    As for the rushes and members...I probably wouldn't even mention anything about the community and this sub until way after they've joined. If you're doing your job correctly, they should have it figured out that you guys have something quite profound to impart on them concerning our society , our brainwashed thinking and the state of man today and that if they stick around they'll be able to learn something indispensable. They'll put 2 and 2 together and figure it out on their own.

    If you are not taking this route, you'll get shut down. Let alone you'll be discouraging people from joining int he first place.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I edited my above post to better represent what I had in mind. Keep in mind this is a work in progress. All of the TRP lingo was removed. It should on the outside look like a generic frat, but on the inside I like the idea of it being TRP brought to life, but only behind closed doors a la Skull & Bones.

    [–]gurglemel 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah, exactly. This will work out much better short- and long-term.

    If can share some idea for rushing/events if you want

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Please do.

    [–]TRP_Fraternity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All fraternities do tons of shit behind closed doors. You don't have to be the fucking skull and cross bones

    [–]Chrience 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If its a fraternity that teaches guys to become alpha from beta, and threaten women's own sexual strategy in the process, I think feminists would make sure its seen as 'creepy' regardless if its secret or not.

    This wouldn't be the first time they've done this, just about every other male only society has been pressured to let women in. To them, men MUST not get together alone and exchange ideas, women despise men they 'own' spending time without them. A red pill fraternity that teaches men the benefits of doing this ,freeing them from their girlfriends/wives, they would despise even more.

    [–]silver_nuke13 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Streisand effect

    [–]FueledByHerbs 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Have you ever been initiated into a frat?

    [–]J_AsapGem 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    it's a good gesture but bad idea, i'm sure you've seen the matrix, people feel comfortable being " plugged in " they're not gonna change just like that unless they recognise they were different from within. it's better for us to know the truth than the plugged in, this is an example of what would happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAhlyiTPcMU

    [–]1APookIsAPook 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is a horrible idea. A club for masculine activity, sure, but leave all the red pill jargon and theory out of it.

    [–]PushTheBigRedButtons 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well we've already seen plenty of people openly supporting TRP go down, what's going to change this time?

    The feminists outnumber red pillers tremendously, anyone claiming to be the leader will be severely fucked over unless that person holds a strong and independent (yeah sorry) position already.

    The reason TRP is so popular online is because we can be anonymous. Surely announcing 'HEY WE ARE TRP MEN AND WE'RE ORGANISING A SOCIETY' isn't going to fly under the radar.

    Don't get me wrong, if you can manage this that'd be great but I'm just going to sit here and enjoy the benefits later. It's not worth the risk to me. Plenty of more important causes in the world than some men not getting da poos.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Believe it or not some of you in the DC/Baltimore area may actually know who I am. Some of my social circle is aware of my participation here as well, namely the guys I was in the PUA community with.

    I'm not afraid of going public, but for now I choose to remain a private/anonymous benefactor.

    [–]0638003094 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm interested in seeing how this develops, be careful with exposing yourself as redpilled though. Many examples of people being 'outed' and having their life ruined.

    [–]Birdoftruth 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Lets change the About page at this point to look just like a regular fraternity and not mention anything about sex. Then once it is exclusive we can start discussing shit.

    [–]Squeezymypenisy 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    So can you pm or write here more of a plan of action? How do you intend to make it secret? What is your plan for dealing with ifc? Will you allow graduated members and non college men to join? The fraternity I belong too let's anyone who is vouched for by 3 men join if voted upon by a chapter. How will you be able to keep membership roles secret? How do you plan to recruit top guys and get them to join your fraternity instead of the higher tier ones at large campuses? You'll definitely have to keep this secret at most campuses because it would be bad pr for universities. How much will dues be? You will need older members for donations, many frats have strong alumni support.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    All great questions. I don't have answers at this point as I'm still thinking about all of that. If you have suggestions I'd love to hear about them.

    [–]Squeezymypenisy 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Instead of a fraternity I would try a group similar to freemasonry. That way you can reach more people than just young boys.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The idea is appealing, but the frat idea came to me first. Maybe in the future things will change and it'll morph into that. Maybe. Right now I'm just in the planning stages and slowly formalizing things.

    [–]Squeezymypenisy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Without doxxing are you currently enrolled in a institute of higher education?

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes. 2 actually, one a university and the other a community college.

    [–]OKJaded 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    If you want to start a place where RP philosophy can be debated freely in real life...

    • It does not have to be a College Fraternity. Freemasons, as others have pointed out, is a great example.
    • Members must be vetted in real life, via numerous face to face meetings over a period of months before initiation.
    • All rituals, handshakes, call-and-returns, and so on must be communicated in person only once the member is initiated.

    If you didn't join a Fraternity in your undergrad I'd team up with someone who did. Even the Greek letters you choose should each have a meaning. Each campus has different guidelines for Greek Life as well. Applying for a charter from campus to campus will vary but there should still be a clear vision on what the organization would contribute to the campus. All this could also be skipped if we just cut out the college part.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Even the Greek letters you choose should each have a meaning.

    They do. Sexualem Imperatoriis Virorum.

    [–]TRP_Fraternity 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You don't want to make the secret meaning public (as it is on the Facebook page). You don't really understand this do you?

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hmm... keep that as part of the secret society aspect? I can do that.

    [–]TRP_Fraternity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My college fraternity has all kinds of secret meaning only known by members

    [–]chaseemall 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I was an utter omega when I started college. Still am, if I'm honest with myself. I wouldn't have even looked at a normal frat at the time.

    Now, I'm a junior, have found TRP, and I wish I would have. I think having a red pill fraternity is a great idea. However, many fraternities, from my understanding, already fulfill this function. Many still leave their fraternities blue, but many are more alpha than when they joined.

    It might be easier to red up existing fraternities and use the entire greek system as a red pill bastion.

    I'm all for this idea of a Red Pill group IRL. I'd be down for it.

    How exactly do you plan to implement this?

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It might be easier to red up existing fraternities and use the entire greek system as a red pill bastion.

    Huh. I hadn't considered that.

    How exactly do you plan to implement this?

    TBD

    [–]GingersInParis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It might be easier to red up existing fraternities and use the entire greek system as a red pill bastion.

    If we can make this work, that might be even better.

    [–]chaseemall 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There are clearly a ton of fraternity men here. The greek system is already in place, and has been optimizing male sexual strategy in the universities for decades. They already have the infrastructure and a reach which is massive. Why not stand on the shoulders of giants?

    All that would really have to be done is:

    • Encourage Red fraternity leaders (of chapters and otherwise) to spread the knowledge among their brothers, as well as to take an active role of their memberships growth and development.

    • Help non leaders to become leaders (which is already occurring by knowledge transfer).

    • Have older TRP members take an active mentorship role in the growth and development of said fraternity leaders and members.

    This would give you a sphere of actionable people to help spread the knowledge of men's sexual strategy and develop vast numbers of alpha men.

    Edit: perhaps something like a skull and bones style red interfraternity council. Something that brought men in (and perhaps outside of) greek life together to strengthen themselves and the not yet red men within their respective spheres of influence.

    [–]MrLelvis 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I would be very interested in participating in this if it made it to Australia.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Once things are formalized I'm fine with people opening their own chapters around the world.

    [–]TerritorialWolf 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Won't establishing a fraternity make TRP more vulnerable? It will expose the members to direct attacks and can hasten the deterioration of RP wisdom?

    Also, I thought we aren't trying to make TRP a movement. It's a philosophy and not a movement. Only certain guys can get swallow the redpill, the rest will dilute it.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Only certain guys can get swallow the redpill, the rest will dilute it.

    Hence the need to screen for appropriate members. Not everyone who is interested in will be permitted to join. This is all very much a work in progress and the details are being worked out as I type this. Every time you guys give me feedback you're finding another bug in the code I need to fix.

    [–]Birdoftruth 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I like this man, lets make this happen

    [–]Squeezymypenisy 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Is this going to be facebook only?

    [–]UrsusG 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It'll end up being facebook-only. No one will have the time, money and/or energy go follow up in the real world.

    Maybe a few guys will meet up once or twice on a major campus, but that'll be it.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hopefully no. It all depends on how many people are interested in making this happen in real life.

    [–]2 Endorsed ContributorCisWhiteMaelstrom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What a shit comment thread. If you don't want to go talk about the red pill in public then don't. At least the mods of this community are thinking of new ideas instead of becoming stagnant. Let those who want to participate do so and quit bitching.

    [–]Ronin11A 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I mean, it's called "The Red Pill" so if you're going to go Greek with it, it should be "Tau Rho Psi/Pi/Phi."

    Goddamn GDIs.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sexualem Imperatoriis Virorum

    [–]mr_nate_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I idea catches my attention, especially coordinating real life events to build a stronger community, but I'm worried about publicly liking the page on Facebook. I don't want BP men and women to know that I'm involved with a "sexual market discussion" fraternity page.

    On the other hand, being a part of this blade that'll cut into misandry is enticing. Thoughts on keeping this side of me separate from my public life OP?

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Links were removed. if people want to become involved, they need to reach out to me specifically so I can give it to them. Or one of the others who already liked it can provide the link.

    [–]aDrunkenWhaler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You can call it fraternity, you can call it alpha beta ninja brotherhood or whatever, if it builds a crowd everyone will easily find out it is TRP related and in no time will get the same hate grup status as all other groups, leaving the followers exposed to social stigma. A name changes nothing.

    [–]chiefpill -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why the fuck would you want others to know about TRP? Let them stumble across it just as we have. If they don't, that's even better. Knowledge is power, use it wisely.

    [–]BlackPhoenix01 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What makes TRP so interesting is the fact that it isn't a social movement. I imagine a lot of us found it to change ourselves, not the world around us. (Of course, we can change the world by changing ourselves, but that's a whole new ball game). The idea that there will be a wave of self-respecting men who have rediscovered their masculinity, while idealistic, is just moot.

    It kind of goes against what I see as TRP. The very core of what it is, at least to me, is that you're not responsible for other people (and they aren't responsible for you), you're only responsible for yourself.

    And while a lot of the TRP focuses on the kind of general behaviours and tactics that women use, it would be folly to imagine that men are morally infallible. Goes without saying, but nevertheless, I would be careful with the company I choose. Not everyone is going to be open to such ideas, much less even have your back.

    Brotherhood is something to be cherished, but it's only valuable if it's with people who really do give a damn about you

    [–]Thizzlebot -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Remember the first rule of fight club. There is no way I would ever want my real name associated with anything red pill let alone a lame ass facebook group.

    [–]BOSpecial 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There is a reason red pill exists. If something like this landed itself to spreading around, there would be no need for red pill, everyone would be red, and few would be blue skulking somewhere on an obscure corner of the net.

    [–]chaseemall 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, isn't that the best situation overall?

    [–]Merica911 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This post is so far in the negative points, I try to add a positive and it was still at "0"

    [–]Longest_username 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Instead of PUA lair can we call it rapist lairs and make ourselves an even better target for feminazis.

    [–]ChuckNorrisWithEbola 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Unsticky this post, please.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The ultimate goal of this fraternity is for our brothers (and sisters) to realize their full sexual market value potential.

    What's the official policy on sisters? Are we just appearing to consider them?

    I'd definitely be interested in joining one of these. I live in the middle of nowhere in Ireland but will soon move to either Cork or Limerick city, for any Irish redpillers on here.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If women want to make a sister sorority I'm all for it and i'm sure /r/redpillwomen would support them.

    [–]silver_nuke13 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well we're not a boys only club or some kabballah, as long as their pussy doesn't get in the way i don't see serious problems.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well we're not a boys only club

    That is precisely what a fraternity is. It's literally the meaning of the word (brotherhood).

    [–]silver_nuke13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Dang poe's law strikes again

    [–]TRP_Fraternity 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Holy shit. Please don't do this. You just don't understand how this whole thing works.

    You're going to make every legitimate fraternity look bad.

    [–]BaconEggsAndSleaze 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    legitimate fraternity

    What year did you pledge? That will say a lot.

    [–]Squeezymypenisy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How would older members join this one?

    [–]silver_nuke13 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Dat username doe

    [–]Jax-T 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Even I get excited even though I don't live in U.S. I wish you all the best brothers.

    [–]The_fox_in_lion_skin 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I will be going back to college and using my GI Bill soon. If your really serious about this, message me. I wouldn't mind starting a chapter in one of the biggest college in the Mid East.

    Edit: I read your Facebook group and the message. Your going to have to scrap the name because it's now associated with trp. The frat will have to sound and look like every other fraternity or sorority, but once a pledge becomes a brother or sister we tell them the real message. No reason to have a target on your back from the start, especially since most universities are run by feminists.

    [–]Limekill 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm not sure someone wants to join to find out the "real message latter"... it seems very bait and switch, almost encourages an insider to report on the group.... esp. if they are whiteknights/bps.

    Perhaps focus on being the best male you can be... Then introduce no moral code regarding sex (obviously follow societys laws, etc), and then go from there.

    Also a feminist can and will try and get it shut down by claiming harrasement or rape so expect that.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's been cleaned up and it's not affiliated with TRP and I removed the link to the fb page.

    The frat will have to sound and look like every other fraternity or sorority, but once a pledge becomes a brother or sister we tell them the real message.

    That's exactly what I have in mind. And members should only be recruited if they've expressed some secret knowledge, such as using terms that might hint to being red pill, or you know them through pickup. Stuff like that. Any old Tom Dick and Harry stopping by wanting to join up should be viewed with scepticism.

    [–]Chrience 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I thought this was a brilliant idea!

    But one thing I learned from here, is that women are going to try with desperation to 'invade' whatever male space we can create for ourselves.

    When they learn that their BF learned how to game her from that fraternity their first goal will be to 'PROTECT THE SISTERHOOD ITS IN DANGER, OUR SECRETS ARE EXPOSED'. It happened to r/Seduction and plenty of other real male only clubs , they will try to infiltrate the fraternity using their boyfriend to tone down the language and attitude. You KNOW what she will offer the BF to get him to do this. :-)

    When you guys then say, 'no, fuck off', she'll bitch to social media, get the media to cover this place as a 'Den of Misogyny' or some other ridiculous title, and petition to have it banned, with the same effort they then try to ban sex bot use because it will 'violate the robots feeeeelings/personal spaaaaace'!!!111'.

    Governments actually LISTEN to this logic. Didn't sarkessian and Zoe Quinn visit the UN to give a speech about fucking "cyber bullying" or something? First of all, they were LET IN, second, they SPENT THE TIME AND MENTAL ENERGY TO LISTEN TO THEIR BULLSHIT.

    Its my opinion that it's just better to keep the red pill online and let guys find it themselves. Guys are already waking up to the shitty things women are doing to them and marriage rates are much lower. If it ain't broke.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All valid concerns. The key difference is I'm hand selecting leadership. You're right that at some point there will be drama and women will try to insert themselves into our business or reign in men who are members. Guys have to be able to take the heat and be strong willed, which is in essence just an example of frame control. If they can't or won't stick to their guns and end up kowtowing to the media/society/feminine imperative, I'll revoke their charter or remove those in charge.

    [–]FoolishWiseGuy -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Is there any plans to implement this in the UK?

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm not limiting this to any country. We will have bylaws and perhaps dues, eventually. These are the details I wished to hammer out in this thread before all the bitching and complaining started.

    [–]2rp_valiant -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    do it yourself - depending on the location, I might be interested in helping.

    [–]great_artists_steal -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I would encourage everyone to read this criticism [1] of Sexual Economics, Culture, Men, and Modern Sexual Trends.

    [1] http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Laurie_Rudman/publication/280693999_Why_Sexual_Economics_Theory_Is_Patriarchal_Reply_to_Vohs_and_Baumeister's_(2015)_Comment_on_Rudman_and_Fetterolf_(2014)/links/55c4a67a08aea2d9bdc3853e.pdf

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguard | Senior Contributorbsutansalt[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Oh for Christ's sake, did you even read it? The whole thing is "patriarchy" and written by gender studies social justice warriors. Of COURSE they're going to gripe and bitch and moan about this, or anything really that challenges the feminine imperative.

    Additionally, how much trust do you have in women who look like this when it comes to sexual topics:

    http://rutgerssocialcognitionlab.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/9/7/13979590/6319726.jpg?132

    http://psych.rutgers.edu/images/stories/people/faculty/rudman.jpg

    http://rutgerssocialcognitionlab.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/9/7/13979590/1413495520.png

    [–]great_artists_steal -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well I prefer to read the criticism of everything I read, to get a less biased view. I'm not saying I believe it, it's just good habit.

    As far as this specific article is concerned, their arguments make just as much sense as the original article's. The winning theory will ultimately be decided by data, not by ad-hominem attacks.

    [–]Dr_Killpatient 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As far as this specific article is concerned, their arguments make just as much sense as the original article's.

    No, no they don't. All those three arguments they postulate in opposition to the original study are steeped in the false belief that we all live in the patriarchy. We don't.

    In another words they have constructed a post hoc fallacy (the cause is the patriarchy) in their study to which they themselves are completely oblivious to. This is just feminist loons trying to pass themselves off as credible researchers.