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[–]theamazingdesigner 34ポイント35ポイント  (17子コメント)

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I tried to ask my wife that question once, she looked at me like I was retarded. Once I explained her she told me I was retarded. She has no fucking idea about spatial awareness.

[–]OOPC 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

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"How to walk" has been the spark of many a fight between my wife and I. At first I would try to explain how to walk "normal". Which is besides me, at the same pace, in a straight line. But her answer was always a very bratty "Chinese people know how to walk better than Americans!" And she continues to walk directly in front of me with sudden, unexpected changes in speed and direction.

This of course means she gets flat tire'd every so often. And by "every so often" I mean pretty much every time we go out. Walking in the mall, flat tire. Crossing the street, flat tire. Grocery shopping, flat tire. Stroll along the beach, flat tire. End of an escalator, flat tire. Each and every one I'm blamed for. I remind her that if she: A) walked besides me, or B) didn't abruptly change her speed and/or direction, then it would be impossible for that to happen. I can see the wheels turning in her mind when this is brought up, and she doesn't argue against the logic of it. But that message isn't getting through, despite the sores on the back of her heels.

So I think spatial awareness has to be one of things that you learn before the age of 5, otherwise it's under-developed forever.

[–]Aan2007 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I feel for you, I have something similar with GF, we start walking next to each other, but usually I end up in front being followed like caravan of camels, when I slow down for her to catch up on me, she will anyway after few minutes ends up walking behind me. It's driving me crazy, I told her it's like some animals walking, not civilized people so I let her walk in front of me so she can feel how I feel to have someone on my back, but then she walks superslow holding me back or she is almost running away. Only solution to this is holding hands.

[–]LeoparderEuropean Union 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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That last paragraph is a great end to that story. Have am up vote :)

[–][deleted] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

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And she continues to walk directly in front of me with sudden, unexpected changes in speed and direction.

Sorry, this is just how a woman walks, not just Chinese.

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    [–]whine_and_cheeseUnited States 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

    ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

    Spatial awareness is a thing indeed.

    Are you saying the Japanese are annoyed by the Chinese lack of spatial awareness?

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      [–]whine_and_cheeseUnited States 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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      When I lived in China the horn honking drove me crazy.

      [–]sylkwormUnited States 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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      I'm pretty sure honking started as a taxi driver thing. My uncle was a chauffeur and he would always honk when he was about to pass a car or driving by another car doing the other direction.

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        [–]masamunecyrus 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

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        Japan has certainly developed a culture over the centuries that places a tremendous value on outward civility and politeness; doing things the "right" way and courtesy to others is paramount.

        That does not mean that everything is fine underneath the facade, though. Japan has deep problems just like any other country. It just looks better at a glance.

        [–]trololo_allday 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

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        Having lived inboth countries for several years I would say "at a glance" is the understatement of the year.

        [–]LeoparderEuropean Union 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        Tell us more of your experience !

        [–]trololo_allday 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Where to start... Honestly I hesitate because the culture of this subreddit is... unique? I've never really been able to get a true read on it, but like others have said it is a tough crowd.

        [–]3llt33 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Tell your wife to travel to Hong Kong or Taiwan and learn from the other Chinese people how to move in public.

        [–]adgre1United States 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

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        im going to sound like an ass here and i really dont mean this offensively. chinese people suck at walking for the same reason they suck at driving and other things. they are only concerned with themselves. they really about other people existing in their space. its why when you get on a subway or train or off and escalator they just stop where they are. they dont realize there are people behind them that also need in.

        they also drive this way. they dont really speed where i live until someone is in front of them. im not talking about someone driving slow in front, but just not being the front drives them crazy. they floor it, pass, and then slow down to the same speed as the guy they just passed.

        im not saying chinese people dont care about other or that they are selfish, i genuinely think they just dont realize there are other people sometimes. its all about what they want to do and doing what they can to get to that point. it goes through generations.

        fuck those old women who push in front of me in the fruit and veggie aisle with their 60 different apples when im just trying to get a carrot weighed. i love watching older people get pissed when they have to wait in a line somewhere and they try to cut and get denied. it doesnt happen often (the denial) but when it does its just sweet victory.

        [–]LeoparderEuropean Union 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Oh man, I have been living in China for 2 years. That look I must have on my face when I see someone beyond forced back into the queue line ... Love it. Sweet revenge

        [–]3llt33 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        I agree with all of his.

        [–]CmiaoUnited Kingdom 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

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        They stop making the squeaky shoes past age 2 sizes.

        [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        Additionally, they stop making shoes of all types past age 12 sizes.

        [–]charlesesl 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Fucking LiNing shoe, looks like Nike on the outside, absolutely no research done on the inside. Gives me blisters every day.

        [–]theamazingdesigner -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

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        I wish I could double-upvote you.

        [–]TheMediumPanda 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Around here we call it "The Chinese Turn": Someone who abruptly stops for whatever reason on the sidewalk without looking if anyone's behind him, then immediately doubles back, guaranteeing crashing into someone behind them.

        There's also the "We're walking here!" of 4-5 friends seemingly doing their utmost to block off every inch of the sidewalk, presumably wanting other people to dive into hedges or heavy traffic. I once bumped the guy on the flank so hard he fell down like a sack of potatoes (was having a bad day) but I quickly apologized and helped him up. Still hope he got the message though.

        [–]xijinpimp 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        Well years of training in the Beijing subway has made me into batman

        Particularly during the transit from Line 10 to Line 1

        [–]let_the_monkey_goEngland 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

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        I developed my own system for negotiating my way thru the endless transfer corridors of Dongdan and Guomao. I would watch for what I called "Trailblazers" - people who slipped thru gaps between the throngs of retards and moved at a reasonable human speed. I can now spot these people a mile off and I hop from trailblazer to trailblazer using the "winding" technique - follow close behind as if to use them as a wind breaker.

        Always use the stairs, not the escalator.

        Careful droppage of the shoulder can open up a huge amount of space when needed.

        [–]xijinpimp 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        shit ur the laowai whos been following me

        [–]let_the_monkey_goEngland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        I'd say there's a strong possibility!

        If you spotted a strikingly handsome laowai with a spring in his step... It wasn't me... I was the furious looking twitcher, muttering to himself...

        [–]moominpappas_hat 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

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        do you mean xizhimen?

        [–]nikatnightUnited States 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        That's not a transfer. That's 30minutes of walking.

        [–]moominpappas_hat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        It's so much better now than it was in 2009 when you had to go OUTSIDE the station in those cattle-corrals if you were transferring on your way down from Wudaokou. Moo.

        [–]xijinpimp 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

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        Guomao

        [–]moominpappas_hat 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        Shoulda figured, nothing but fancytown for the chairman... leave xizhimen to the students and the bailings

        [–]xijinpimp 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        your mod is glorious and harmonious

        [–]ChocolateDanishLoverCanada 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Agility + 100

        Dodge + 45%

        Stupidity + 200%

        [–]Elliott70 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Another story about their spatial awareness. In my garden is a seriously massive pool. It is surrounded by a fake sand beach and real palm trees, very nice. Did I mention massive? I go in the mid-morning on my days off, one benefit being many times I am the only person in the pool. However, if a chinese person does decide to brave the sunlight and come to the pool, I can count on them sitting and swimming right up my ass. But the joke is on them, because I enjoy it...

        [–]mister_klikUnited States 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

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        It goes back to people living in their own world, not being aware of what's around them.

        Here you're talking about etiquette ie: stopping at the exit of escalators, bumping into people. What I find interesting is peoples' physical inability to walk.

        Often times I see people (often high school or college aged) walking like they just learned how to do it or like they are carrying an invisible 75 pound pack on their back.

        A lot of girls walk like their feet were bounded like great-great grandma.

        Very little grace or sense of going somewhere. Like walking in itself is an excruciating chore.

        [–]adgre1United States 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

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        i think the girls walking funny comes from the fact that they're wearing heels that they dont know how to walk in.

        [–]lions_n_stuff 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        But why don't they ever get used to it? Like...it's not that hard if you've been doing it for more than a couple of weeks. This confuses me to no end...

        [–]adgre1United States 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        they do, you just dont notice people who walk normal. ive seen some girls run down stairs in tall ass heels. blows my mind.

        [–][deleted] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        no time for sports in the gaokao childhood

        I've witnessed college kids literally bumbling down a track for 20 yards, not knowing how to even swing their arms, and then collapsing in a broken heap. rather distressing, actually, when it happens over and over again

        [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        I think this has a lot to do with it. No sports from age 12 to 18. all sitting down.

        [–]12the3 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        even if it's just you and one or two other Chinese people in an otherwise empty train station, they'll still manage to somehow bump into you.

        [–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        empty train station... does not compute

        [–]oogyboogy2Taiwan 59ポイント60ポイント  (44子コメント)

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        Profound, psychopathic levels of selfishness.

        [–]let_the_monkey_goEngland 23ポイント24ポイント  (42子コメント)

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        They simply just don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

        And why would they? They were never taught to care about others. Their doting grannies made them feel like little emperors and the school system just made them memorise the same crap about their country being the centre of the world over and over...

        [–]TheMediumPanda 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

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        Actually, there's extensive Moral Education in Chinese schools but I have a feeling there's way too much emphasis on country/party stuff instead of common decency and social conscience.

        [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        I think the schools do try to teach common decency, but kids are going to learn more from what they observe around them than from what teachers say in a classroom. So basically, kids see their parents/other adults acting selfish and not care about others, they grow up to act selfish and not care about others.

        [–][deleted] 7ポイント8ポイント  (28子コメント)

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        Isn't caring about others innate? I blame the enduring cultural memory of the chaos of the Cultural Revolution and everything Mao. You never knew what shit was gonna hit what fan, and all you could manage to do was look out for yourself. Dare to care about someone else, and you'll get run over by the same bus that hit them. Simple survival calculation IMO.

        [–]adgre1United States 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        i had a friend's dad (who spent 20 years in a camp) tell me once, "basically, all the nice people died, because they were nice." i know thats an exaggeration but it makes some sense.

        [–]let_the_monkey_goEngland 2ポイント3ポイント  (25子コメント)

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        I believe it is innate, I really do, but lots of what I see in China screams the opposite. I see people smacking kids about, cold indifference to any and all suffering of others, playing office politics that fuck over peoples' entire lives... God, I'm so glad I never grew up here...

        [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (24子コメント)

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        OK, but are you telling me you haven't met any decent folks either? I could go on a similar rant about everyone I knew growing up in California.

        [–]let_the_monkey_goEngland 10ポイント11ポイント  (23子コメント)

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        Most people are nice to talk to. Seem really friendly etc. But once the novelty of my skin colour wears off they drop their facade and 90% of people here are exactly the same. Nice but boring and will NOT have anyone's back under any circumstance (except their family's) .

        Every lawoai I've talked to who went into business with a Chinese person got screwed over as soon as they started making decent money, even people who went into business with their spouse.

        Every single office I've worked in always ends up the same way - someone in a position of power, even a small one, will just start abusing it - seeing it as an opportunity to show off and act like "the master" at the expense of their job. Their subordinates are forced to pick up the slack but can't keep up. The boss fires them for not being good enough slaves, which crushes any remaining morale and the job just continues to get worse and worse. Because of the lazy, self-aggrandising bosses; no actual work gets done and everything is just awash with laziness and horrific inefficiency.

        Every family drama is always someone starts acting like an entitled little prick and no-one has the balls to tell them to shut the fuck up. Hints are dropped, but none are taken and it spirals out of control ad infinitum until the offending relative dies.

        No-one can do basic things properly. 90% of people on the subway behave like retarded children, no-one can walk or ride bikes properly, they drive cars like cunts and their public behaviour is unhygenic and disgusting. Don't even get me started on anything that is "Traditional Chinese"...

        Basically the everyday of life in China is frustrating as fuck. I honestly hate it. 90% of people are fucking morons and it all comes down to shit education and "face".

        That said, I have met some great people here - unfortunately they are all foreigners. The only Chinese people who are not frustrating are the westernised ones (spent a long time away from China etc).

        End barely coherent rant...

        [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

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        You got the barely coherent part right.

        I've only been in China for 2 years, but I've never encountered problems on the subway except when it was over capacity, which I blame on whoever's running the subway system.

        I've had office jobs in several Western countries, and the managers have always been dicks.

        Family drama - pretty sure that's worldwide too.

        I also hate many aspects of daily life in China, such as constant bumping into people when there's plenty of space, but to say a whopping 90% are "like retarded" is pretty wildly off base. All it takes is one child taking a shit on a subway one time in one city, and /r/China is calling 1.3B people (or 90% of that) retarded. How is that better than Chinese people assuming every white-skinned teacher is a pedophile?

        I mean this in a motivational way: Suck it up, monkey_go!

        [–]juzplanecrazieUnited States 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        Yes, there's a very small part of the population taking shits on the subway, and there's an even larger part of the population that doesn't say anything at all about it. What is frustrating is the top-down pressures people live in without any protections causing disempowerment, myopia, and apathy. A lot of people lament that things should be better while simultaneously saying there's nothing they can do. One person might not be able to start off moving a mountain by themselves, but if they have an idea and the ability to organize people, they'll at least make a dent out of it. I feel bad for Chinese because of all the pressures from all facets of life.

        [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Oh, the Chinese... for a second there it sounded like you were talking about Occupy.

        [–][deleted] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        Woooah buddy:

        But once the novelty of my skin colour wears off they drop their facade and 90% of people here are exactly the same.

        Holy shit you're racist.

        [–]let_the_monkey_goEngland 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        explain how that makes me racist?

        [–]masamunecyrus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        It's just China's version of the gilded age. America was like that about 100 years ago. Money above all else.

        [–]theamazingdesigner 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

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        They were thought to care about their families though, I find people here more thoughtful when it comes to family and close friends.

        [–]TheMediumPanda 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Yes and no. I'm aware of 2 families not too far away who only let their grandmothers in their 80s come back to sleep there. One of them walks around in heavy traffic every day from morning to night, hunched over, can barely speak and is clearly a huge embarrassment to her family. Another guy who sells kites at our local square is a cripple because his brother almost killed him in order to chase him off the family farm when their father died and it was inheritance time. If you don't believe me when I say it's definitely not uncommon, ask around. Plenty of stories of shunned family members. That's not even mentioning the number of mentally challenged kids and grownups who are locked in a room 24/7 so that the neighbours don't see the shame.

        Yeah, China is always playing the "We treat our families better than you Laowais!" but if you go do some digging, it's definitely a truth with modifications.

        [–]mike2centsUnited States 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

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        Yes and no. The division of generations is awkward. I think I was much closer to my grandparents at a personal level when they were alive than my wife is with her Chinese grandparents. My grandparents talked with me and asked all about my life and feelings; my wife's grandparents talk at her and know nothing about her.

        [–]theamazingdesigner 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        my wife's grandparents talk at her and know nothing about her

        This is something that always stunned me with my in-laws and many older Chinese people I've met, they just seem to throw words on the table and never seem to have a conversation where they really interact.

        [–]mike2centsUnited States 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Yeah, I think it's really weird. It makes me feel like I'm in a play. Also when we receive hongbao and cards on special occasions, all her relatives write almost precisely the same message down to the same idioms and expressions. I used not think much about little things like this, but now I feel like there is quite a bit of faking it on every level and in every interaction. I don't want the family we create to behave like this.

        [–]moominpappas_hat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        wife's grandparents talk at her and know nothing about her.

        this. and the constant yes-or-no (好不好,吃不吃,去不去 -- and there's always a "correct answer" implied!!) questions at babies/children, without any open-ended questions mixed in.

        [–]let_the_monkey_goEngland 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

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        I used to think that too. Then I learnt more about Chinese family traditions like as filial piety, and I realised that they aren't being thoughtful. They are doing what they HAVE TO. If they don't do it, they will be social outcasts. Seriously, not bending over backwards (even at tremendous cost to themselves) to help out a family member is the worst possible thing you can do. I've seen people ostracised for not risking their careers for an elder family member.

        [–]theamazingdesigner 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        You are probably right, but from an outsider point of view it still looks like kindness (I was thinking more of the gift-giving culture than the helping out stuff).

        [–]YangRuiGangbang 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Even gift-giving is not done out of kindness, but it seems more to be out of sense of obligation! Every Spring Festival it's like "oh shit, what are we gonna take your shu shu and ayi... not that they need anything, but we sure can't turn up empty handed!"

        [–]adgre1United States 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        damn, this is kinda depressingly true.

        [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        This is pretty racist, but I've considered the psychopath thing myself.

        [–]ColMcCouilles 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        Look at the problem from a different perspective. It's not that they are unaware other people are around them and in motion. It's pretty much that they wouldn't understand why we would get offended by someone blocking our way or bumping into us, as they don't. Lets not forget Chinese people are fatalist, hence they don't see obstacles on their way as much as an irritating matter as we tend to, they rather see a light challenge to deal with. It's not a big deal for them, why should it be for us? Or such can be their perspective on the issue.

        [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        I'll grant you the argument except that it's not offended, it's annoyed, wrong word. That doesn't stop it from being annoying as fuck and inferior to paying attention to the world around you, no good can come from this perspective.

        I work in a Chinese company and we have a ton of American-educated people here. A girl yesterday was telling me how being on the subway makes her embarrassed to be Chinese, the collective mentality of a four year old wanting to go first I think she called it.

        [–][deleted] 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        They spent so much time studying for gaokao, they forgot how to walk.

        [–]rockstar10 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

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        Smartphones made it even worse esp when changing lines in the subways.

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        Apple - Chinese crack.

        [–]demontaoist 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Totally offensive, unsubstantiated generalizations:

        Girls: "I'm incapable of walking without male assistance! Look at me teeter tottering around like a distressed klutz!"

        Middle aged-older women: "I must make myself take up as much space as possible at all times. Under 80 degrees? Gigantic winter coat. Always carry grocery bags, even if empty. Better yet, push an over-loaded cart. Possibly full of empty grocery bags. I always have the right of way, and cannot budge for anything. Ever.

        All women: Always have the appearance of shopping. Hold bags as far off to the sides as possible. Girls should leverage the unbalancing effects of dangling a giant shopping bag (with a pair of earrings in it) to be always on the verge of falling over. Older women should pretend grocery bags are hot lava, and must be held as far from their person as possible at all times.

        Umbrellas all the fucking time. Rain? Umbrella. Snow? Umbrella. Sunshine? Umbrella. There is no such thing as weather that does not necessitate an umbrella. If one cannot take up as much space as possible with shopping bags, one must carry an umbrella.

        Boys: Huh? I'm just standing here, smoking between spitting, watching girls totter by. Why are you acting like this sidewalk is for something other than standing in the middle of while I spit?

        Men: Huh? I'm just sitting here, yes right here, smoking while I build up more loogies to hock, exposing my belly and exuding my complete freedom from fucks to give.

        All: Never acknowledge or give the impression that people, either walking towards you, or coming from behind, might want to pass. When they do, display bewilderment, or annoyance that your sacred right of way has been sullied. Especially if you had to bend at the waist to allow someone to pass; the greatest insult of all.

        [–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Also, they scurry like scared rabbits to get out of a bus or a classroom at lunchtime, but as soon as they're out, they waddle around like crippled tortoises and purposely block as much walkway as they can.

        [–]damage-sponge 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        On a positive I've actually had occasions where I'm walking down the sidewalk and a couple in front of me is blocking the path. then one of them usually the girl, will grab their partner by the arm pull him out of the way and allow me to pass by :] I'm putting it down to being rather tall and physically casting a ominous shadow over them from behind.

        On a negative note, my pet peeve are people hard out pushing past you to get onto the escalator who then proceed to stand on the left side while fiddling on their phone, once they get to the top of the escalator they dismount and stand still while everyone piles up behind them. argh!

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          [–]ProtonotoUnited Kingdom 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          especially onto buses, so that they can try to get a free seat.. I never get up for an adult holding a kid who looks over 7!

          [–]monkcarryshitAustralia 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

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          In Wuhan I'm convinced people walk like crabs... Always slowly drifting in front of me.

          [–]adgre1United States 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          its wuhan, so they're probably dodging 6 foot drop holes in the sidewalk.

          [–]whine_and_cheeseUnited States 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          Skittering.

          [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          You just don't know how to walk Chinese.

          [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          Lines!!! The concept of lines doesn't exist in China.

          [–]theamazingdesigner 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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          I disagree, a curvy and irregular line is still a line.

          [–]blooregard325i 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          How about a ray, then?

          [–]deliciousporkUnited States 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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          Wow, I totally thought it was just me who thought this. When I first came here I noticed people would drift towards me while I'm walking by them. They would just slowly get closer to me as I approached. The weird thing is that I don't think they even saw me coming. It's like they have a natural instinct to cut people off. I just don't get why these people can't walk in a straight line! Why do they need to veer in different directions or abruptly come to a stand still in the middle of transferring in a subway station during rush hour?

          [–]joshuwas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          I've contemplated this one a bit... Is it possible that there is some kind of "boxing out" instinct that develops in societies plagued by scarcity? I'm quite serious. I think this shit should be studied.

          [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

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          This annoys the shit out of me. Even where I live with a lot of diaspora.

          They usually cut you off, stroll in front of you with their hands behind their back as if you weren't there.

          [–]jinniuUnited States 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

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          This is why I purposefully walk directly towards everyone, they either get out of the way or we end up doing the dodge the shoulder glide, even if we're the only ones on the street. In large crowds I don't give any eye contact, usually does the trick unless someone else is playing the same game.

          [–]Goat_Porker 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

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          So.... you actively contribute to the problem?

          [–]jinniuUnited States 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          yes, when in Rome...

          [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          Don't any of you adopt that Old China Hand voice when confronted with these oiks?

          'Come along! Come along! Chop chop for gods sake!'

          But yeah, they do have a weird walking habit. They seem to do this weird half-step which makes it impossible to walk behind them. There's this kid who's about 19 in my building - when he walks he drags his feet everywhere. He must go through a pair of fake Nike Airs every two months.

          [–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

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          They also DRIVE like this

          [–]whine_and_cheeseUnited States 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          Fake Michelins?

          [–]dreerg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          The motorists and the pedestrians deserve each other.

          [–]PlowbeastUnited States 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

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          What city are you experiencing this in? I've seen people behaving differently depending on which city you're in, especially as you head south.

          [–]babamcribMongolia[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

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          Everywhere really, but currently living in Xiamen. The good news is the people down here are generally smaller than the burly violent drunken northern Chinese.

          [–]ProtonotoUnited Kingdom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          I also live in Xiamen and I find it much different from other cities in China. My friends recently came over and felt it much more civilized, but after a week they realised it's still china..

          [–]mike2centsUnited States 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          Poor situational awareness? That's why many people suck at walking and don't move aside.

          [–]joshuwas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          Five years here and I still ask the same questions.

          I tend to ascribe to the mass trauma theory: the accumulated psychological insults of the last 100 years (famines, cultural revolution, political re-education, mass migration, massive income gap, ect) have just left many people traumatized, with no means of resolving the issues. There is a back-log of pent up pain and anger that can't be processed because none of this stuff is ever acknowledged or publicly discussed. The only way to deal is to tune out, to numb oneself, and walk through much of life in a zombie like state.

          I have to admit though, it is getting better, and tons of people do navigate space in reasonable ways. The issue is that there is a critical mass of ignorance: in any given situation, there always seems to be at least two or three people who will screw things up, even if everyone else is doing there best to make things work. And because humans tend to revert to more primitive instincts under stress, the numbers jump when congestion is at its worst.

          [–]Ahf66United States 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          Not only do they walk like you described OP, i also find the Chinese here in in the States have a hard time walking. The other evening, i was going to my mailbox in my neighborhood and there was this Chinese couple walking in front of me they took the entire sidewalk and they were slower than the slowest turtles.. i had to go around them on the grass. they didn't even have the common courtesy to do a single file when they see someone coming from behind, and i was sure they knew i was coming.. wtf.

          [–]cuplonelynoodles 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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          I exactly know what you mean. I also find myself stuck entire behind slow-moving families at crucial junctures like when you're trying to get past the mob of goons outside a station to catch your train on time

          [–]Captain_Generous 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          Also, they don't use the fucking side walk. Big empty ass sidewalk, but instead the entire family will take up the entire bike lane.

          I lay on my horn......more....more....Yell HEEEEY。 Then they move. Fucksakes.

          [–]GodsDelightChina 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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          The shortest distance between A and B is a straight line. That path shall be the path to be taken.

          [–]flaminghatsonfire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          As someone who rides a bike I WISH that was the case, would be atleast easier to go around/weave through rather than erradic sudden changes of direction without looking that drive me crazy (especially since I gave up buying new bells for my bike after they kept getting stolen).

          [–]mindtheheadUnited States 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          I normally use the bicycle bell. Who cares about their lack of navigation or their lack of spatial awareness. Why waste your precious voice shouting at them. A couple of rings is all you need. Works like a champ, especially when getting off the escalators.

          [–]kooldeela 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          Because their pavements are made of gold. Gold and the nightmares of children.

          [–]sylkwormUnited States -5ポイント-4ポイント  (9子コメント)

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          Funny. I feel the same way about Americans everytime I'm at Walmart.

          [–]adgre1United States 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

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          american what? and thats because they're shopping, browsing, looking for things. we're talking just normal ass walking down the street here.

          [–]Goat_Porker -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          Streets are almost always lined with shops in China.

          [–]jinniuUnited States 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          that's just because a lot of us a huge, taking up the entire isle, we're not trying to walk into you.

          [–]miekmende -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          Just yell at them... it's what I do

          [–][deleted] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          I find it hard to differentiate between Reddit and Stormfront these days. Is this a serious post?

          [–]nmvzciehjfal 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          You do not recognize that cultural differences do in fact exist? If they did not exist, all cultures would be identical, which would mean there would be only one culture. But yet there are and they do.

          And since cultural differences do in fact exist, do you honestly believe asking about these differences is necessarily racist? Are you basically saying that the studies of sociology and anthropology are inherently immoral because they dare to look at the reasons for differences?

          I'm having trouble accepting that you're actually this ignorant, however the evidence shows that you are.

          [–]foppishtandy -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          he certainly is the thought police!

          [–]Rampaging_BunnyUnited States -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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          hmm, I know what you mean by the etiquette for sure. That of course needs work here. But I always thought the Chinese are very adept at fitting into tight spaces (hah). When walking, they'll bend their bodies in a certain way to avoid a speeding scooter by a mere centimeter.

          Or they'll quickly walk between a large group, twisting and turning and bumping their way through, all in the name of speed and efficiency. So I think actually, because of the smaller personal bubbles they put up, they can move more quickly in greater numbers, contorting through traffic jams and slow aunties much quicker than us Western apologists who will quietly sit in line and wait like a sheep - who are the insane ones?