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[–]warranty_voids 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 2時間前 (11子コメント)
Well, this is quite interesting. I'm from the Netherlands and I've seen these struggles in quite a few places; They are quite famed to have happened in 1936 in Belgium and even here these had severe influence on our policies and manner of thinking. While it took quite some years until the Belgians adapted labour laws, most of Western Europe decided to allow unions and even nowadays they are pretty much everywhere here - sometimes taking it a bit too far.
However, it's quite interesting to see why this never developed in the United States and to this date it is perfectly allowed to be fired for being part of a union in certain states! It explains quite a lot - perhaps it was too early, and coincident with the October Revolution which may have caused a too extreme reaction against the movement.. However, it would be quite interesting to see the situation in 30 years!
[–]OfthedoorTop Contributor 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
However, it's quite interesting to see why this never developed in the United States
This is quite inaccurate. The US labor movement of the 20's was the biggest in non-communist countries. The 1928 crisis, the the war, then Mccarthyism killed it.
[–]warranty_voids -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Okay, :) Let's say developed and remained!
[–]Repticon [スコア非表示] 34分前 (7子コメント)
In the US, the National Labor Relations Act protects the rights of (most private sector) workers to join or organize a union. It's illegal for an employer to fire or otherwise retaliate for this reason.
[–]bigxspider [スコア非表示] 28分前 (6子コメント)
In at will states they'll just fire you for some other made up reason
[–]richardtheassassin [スコア非表示] 19分前 (1子コメント)
No, actually, they can't. Not over union membership.
[–]martong93Top Contributor [スコア非表示] 3分前 (0子コメント)
The point of at will is that no reason has to be given to be fired, and the point of the National Labor Relations Act is to protect workers from being fired for a certain reason. It's up to the person fired to "prove" he was fired because of union membership, an impossible task if the former employer can say whatever the hell they want and everyone else just has to take it.
[–]SneakySnakeXTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 26分前 (2子コメント)
Sources?
[–]bigxspider [スコア非表示] 23分前 (1子コメント)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
[–]SneakySnakeXTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 17分前 (0子コメント)
That's not a source at all.
Show me a source where your statement is factual in regard to communism.
[–]Repticon [スコア非表示] 12分前 (0子コメント)
Some employers will indeed try to get around the law by using a flimsy pretext. This sometimes blows up in their face however, because depending on how blatant the retaliation is, it can make for a successful lawsuit. Totally random example here.
[–]richardtheassassin [スコア非表示] 20分前 (0子コメント)
it is perfectly allowed to be fired for being part of a union in certain states!
Actually, it's not, so either you didn't understand it or else the video is a bunch of bullshit. Or both, of course.
[–]putin_is_extremist 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 2時間前* (2子コメント)
Everyone will be screaming for communism when inflation gets out of control.
Edit: I like capitalism, just stating a fact.
[–]deliosenvy [スコア非表示] 25分前 (1子コメント)
The problem is it's not really true capitalism. More of socialist capitalism.. you know along the lines of: privatize the profits, socialize the losses.
[–]deseretrenegade [スコア非表示] たった今 (0子コメント)
But how is that not true capitalism? The wealthy are largely unregulated so they can go as far as they want to, gaining political control and wealth in a never ending cycle.
[–]MineBuilder1912 [スコア非表示] 36分前* (3子コメント)
Ok, I'll admit that the article itself is pretty bad, but I think this actually gives me a pretty good chance of having my thoughts heard. As far as I can see, the comment section has dozens of people saying that communism is evil, killed millions and was the staple of regimes such as Stalin and Pol Pot. I wish to explain why this was, slightly, not the case.
The main problem with communism is that it is often incorrectly defined. Karl Marx's vision of communism is incredibly different to the type of "communism" practised by Stalin and Pol Pot. True communism is the belief in an idealised (and therefore practically impossible) society where all people are equal, each working to their true ability and receiving an equal amount of this work, and an equal amount of reward. It is, in my opinion, impossible in the real world due to the limitations of human nature and free will. However, all those dictatorships, such as Pol Pot and Stalin, aren't actually true communism, merely a bastardised version of it. It's actually kinda similar to the knock-off versions of movies that companies put out to try and trick people into buying them. These dictatorships use the idea of true communism as a means of tricking people into putting them into power and then, once they have the power, abandoning the idea in its entirety to create a fascistic state under the guise of a communist one. These dictatorships are no more communist than Hitler was (and before anyone says anything Hitler was a facist, the exact opposite of a communist).
Furthermore, also this might be changing the topic slightly, I believe that there is often a confusion in America between socialism and communism. Socialism is NOT communism. Socialism is actually a blanket phrase used for a wide range of left-wing political beliefs, with common themes being state ownership (or nationalisation), regulation on the market and the implementation of a welfare system. I personally believe in state control of vital resources such as electricity, transportation and water, with an added emphasis on universal healthcare and education. I believe in regulations on the marketplace to ensure against monopolies and the practice of tax-dodging by multinational corporations. I believe in help for the poor and needy, while still encouraging them to find employment. I believe the rich should be taxed more than the poor, simply because no one man is an island of himself. All these things I often find support for, but yet people tell me socialism is evil and corrupt, despite agreeing with the socialist principles I listed above. I feel that although the era of Macarthyism might have been over on paper for quite a long time, it's effect on the mentality of the American people is still felt to this day and has, in certain cases, lead to a severe stifling of debate and freedom of thought. Ironic in a way that the land of the free should have such cute a lack of freedom and liberty in political expression.
[–]redditsucks1984 [スコア非表示] 11分前 (0子コメント)
You're very confused. I'll lay out the short-term conditions that Marx and Engels had for the transition to Communism. This is copied directly from The Communist Manifesto;
"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible. Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production. These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c."
"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.
Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
The only one of these socialistic conditions that was not put into effect by the Bolsheviks was the first part of No. 8, "Equal liability of all to work", and even that only had a few exceptions. All of the rest were met by Soviet law. These conditions were also applied to the PRC, and many other states which called themselves communist before they either tore themselves apart or had to adopt much more practical policies. No, it wasn't the end result ie the abolition of money, state, and class. But they were communist. Not in order, but in ideology. The purpose of most communist governments has been to implement conditions that, if you believe Marx, will lead to communism as the final stage of economic systems. You're also incorrect about what fascism is, it doesn't simply mean a dictatorship and is in fact a well defined political ideology (usually, funnily enough, involving a sort of non-Marxist socialism), but I won't go into that now.
As for your rant about socialism and how it's real good and hunky-dory and the only reason people don't like it is because they're stupid and they don't know what it is; first of all it is directly related to communism as it features heavily in Marxist ideology. To a communist, socialism is the stage after capitalism and before communism and therefore that is usually what they implement and agitate for, see the excerpt from the Communist Manifesto. But regardless, it's dismissive and pretentious of you to claim that anyone who dislikes socialism and the expansion of state controls is simply ignorant of what it actually entails, especially as you yourself are showing great ignorance. All in all, please make sure you actually know what you're talking about before writing up something like this.
[–]Banana-cream-pies [スコア非表示] 24分前 (1子コメント)
How is fascism the opposite of communism? Fascism is a system of distributing power and communism one of distributing resources. On an economic level Hitler was a national socialist (NationalsoZialist) which is kind of close to communism. Volkswagen literally means car of the people.
[–]This_Is_The_End [スコア非表示] 20分前 (0子コメント)
NationalsoZialist
Get some education about Hitler and his national socialism. Just because he used some bullshit bingo, the goals of left and right an Germany were very different. You are embarrassing for humankind.
[–]SneakySnakeXTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 24分前 (2子コメント)
telesur propaganda strikes again.
Question: How many of their documentaries are Pro-American? How many are Anti-Russian? none
[–]richardtheassassin [スコア非表示] 13分前 (1子コメント)
Televisora del Sur is a pan–Latin American terrestrial and satellite television network headquartered in Caracas, Venezuela. TeleSUR
Well, you can hardly blame them. After all, America is the cause of Venezuelans not having any toilet paper any more! It has nothing to do with Chavez and Maduro fucking up the economy through their "Bolivarian Socialism" nonsense, and please ignore that Chavez's daughter somehow became a multibillionaire (in USD) with assets stuffed in foreign banks.
[–]SneakySnakeXTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 9分前 (0子コメント)
I agree but some people wont take your comment at sarcasm.. always good to put a "/s" at the end.
And yeah, this is Venezuelan propaganda that was unheard of until the past few months and they're really good at pushing Anti-American propaganda.
Never once heard them say anything nice.. not once, yet it's not "propaganda" just like Pravda or RT totally isn't propaganda... only Western media does that! /s
[–]AndyAndrophileTop Contributor 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 4時間前* (25子コメント)
meh, pretty much the sort of superficial one-sided agitprop you'd expect from a former Russia Today presenter.
I'd love to see a documentary on 'How Anti-Capitalism Became Academia's Unofficial Religion'. Of course, if such a documentary exists and were posted here I'd have approximately 8 seconds to catch it before it was downvoted into oblivion.
Edit: I see that teleSUR is headquartered in and largely funded by the Venezuelan government. lol. quelle surprise!
[–]SkrpTop Contributor 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 3時間前 (19子コメント)
I'll ask what I asked the guy in the Putin documentary who made a similar claim that it was just propaganda: Do you have any specific criticisms? It'd be easier to have a discussion if you bring up specific points.
[–]PM_your_readinglist 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
My guess is Andy disagrees with the assertion made in the title. You will also notice that r/shitstatistssay, a free-market brigade subreddit, has linked this post. I'd be surprised if this thread contains any actual discussion in the next 24 hours.
[–]AndyAndrophileTop Contributor -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 3時間前 (4子コメント)
I don't disagree with the title at all. And I made my comment before shitstatistssay arrived and have nothing to do with that sub.
[–]PM_your_readinglist 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
So why do you think Anti-Communism is America's unofficial religion?
[–]richardtheassassin [スコア非表示] 16分前 (0子コメント)
It must be true if the pro-communist fruitcakes from Russia Today claim it.
[–]AndyAndrophileTop Contributor -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Do I think that?
[–]PM_ur_RumpTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 19分前 (0子コメント)
Popcorn tastes good!
[–]AndyAndrophileTop Contributor 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前* (3子コメント)
Uhhh yeah, like I just said, it's a grossly one sided caricature of a "documentary". They basically interview one person for their "historical" information, the leader of an officially Marxist political party that has consistently supported the Cuban and Venezuelan governments, and has gone so far as to speak favorably of Mao's cultural revolution. A stance so absurd it could make a cat laugh.
The presenter doesn't even attempt to dress the blatant ideological biases of the program in the thinnest gauze of disinterest. It's like watching a documentary on "Why Christianity Is Awesome" by Fox News.
[–]SkrpTop Contributor 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Alright, that's certainly more specific, and I would agree that it is unashamedly one-sided.
Is there any particular information in it that you believe to be wrong, or perhaps information missing from this that you think should be in there, but isn't?
[+]AndyAndrophileTop Contributor スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Yes.
[–]SkrpTop Contributor 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
That was a fairly unspecific answer, but okay. Watching it. About halfway through. Seems to just be a history of the Soviet Union, and I assume you're referring to all the horrors of that regime, but if that's what you mean, surely you could have just said that?
[–]emmytee 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
having watched the first 5 seconds, the tone of her voice made me think "Propaganda, nope!"
I'm aware thats not a super good reason though lol
[+]AnotherDayInMe スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 2時間前 (7子コメント)
Do you have any specific criticisms?
Communism is fucking horrible and leads to suffering everywhere where it is tried to be implemented?
[–]implicaverse 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
As opposed to Capitalism, which is just fine with slavery and imperialism and never has any economic crises that in the past have led to cycles of extreme poverty and global war?
[–]koalas_arent_bears 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Same can be said about capitalism
[–]SkrpTop Contributor 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
Certainly communism has been a failure everywhere it has been implemented, but many of these failures happened some time after the US turned anti-communist.
So while I think it's a legitimate criticism of communism, it doesn't address all forms of socialism, nor does it address the aforementioned chronology.
[–]mjayb 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
It was never implemented. At best you got State Capitalism in the Soviet Union.
[–]SkrpTop Contributor 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Not an unreasonable criticism, I suppose. Would you say communism actually can be implemented, and do you think it could be a successful project?
[–]mjayb [スコア非表示] 18分前 (0子コメント)
We'd have to transition through a period of socialism. Hard to say if it would work until then since capitalism informs so much of how we think right now.
[–]SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATSTop Contributor 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
While a bit sensationalist its not exactly wrong. Socialists have been treated laughably horrible since pretty much forever here in the US. People who held socialist ideas were not protected by the constitution until relatively recently.
[–]AnotherDayInMe -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Socialism =/= communism.
[–]richardtheassassin [スコア非表示] 19分前 (0子コメント)
superficial one-sided agitprop you'd expect from a former Russia Today presenter.
Ah, that explains it.
[–]FapMaster64 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Hey, you're not supposed to point that stuff out! Lol you pc breh?
[–]Tw36912 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Cinlton said, "Americans will get use to communism "
[–]TotesMessengerTop Contributor 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前* (2子コメント)
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[–]Greenbackboogi [スコア非表示] 35分前 (0子コメント)
That sub isn't satire right?
[–]alllieTop Contributor 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Very interesting.
[–]Ketosis_Sam 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
Yes I cant imagine it was the piles and piles and piles and piles of dead bodies the communists were stacking up where ever they had power that would drive people to be so against it. Of course what am I thinking! Those were not "real" communist! We just need the "right" folks in charge this time around, and the communist utopia can finally be realized. I look forward to the next Holodomor, Great Leap Forward, and Cambodian Killing Fields. Sure signs of progressive progress.
[–]ShamalamadindongTop Contributor 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
We just need the "right" folks in charge this time around
Yes! The right guys! Like Pinochet! Or Batista!
[–]Ketosis_Sam 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Or the Castros, or Chavez! Venezuela is a shining workers paradise on the hill of progress!
[–]ShamalamadindongTop Contributor -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Chavez is dead, Maduro is the one to blame.
[–]richardtheassassin [スコア非表示] 12分前 (0子コメント)
Ignore Chavez's daughter's multiple billions of U.S. dollars that she stashed away around the world. That was totally her own legit business savvy!
[–]Ketosis_Sam [スコア非表示] 1分前 (0子コメント)
A hero of the people like Chavez will never truly die. Quit being defeatist comrade.
[–]kowid -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Commie propaganda
[–]MineBuilder1912 [スコア非表示] 30分前 (0子コメント)
Why? Please explain.
[–]bad_pattern8 [スコア非表示] 17分前 (0子コメント)
maybe through the mid-70s
by now america's unofficial religion is progressivism, veneration of the victim and rent-seeking
who has been excommunicated for being expressly communist in the past three decades? and we have no shortage of open communists
and which -isms and -phobias WILL get you excommunicated from employment and much of your social circle
[–]PM_ur_RumpTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 16分前 (0子コメント)
Funny how this thread demonstrates the title perfectly.
[–]redherring2 -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 1時間前 (6子コメント)
How? How did Communism get a bad rap?
Oh maybe it was the execution of 60 million people by Stalin, the rape of all German women in post-war East German, and the enslavement of eastern Europe for 40 years that dimmed the luster of Communism. Or maybe it the tens of millions that Mao killed in the name of an ideology. Or maybe it was the genocide by the Khmer Rouge that killed 21% of the country's population (1.7 million).
All this death and idiots like Abby Martin still think communism is great. I suggest she try moving to North Korea for awhile.... Why the hell do you think that North Korea (or East Berlin) had to build a wall to keep their people in?
[–]spammo5 [スコア非表示] 59分前 (3子コメント)
The fuck does rape of German women have to do with communism? Allied soldiers raped plenty of German women; does that reflect on capitalism?
And 60 million people by Stalin? Your entire comment is pure bullshit; are you hoping to inspire other teenagers to be as edgy as you? Why not round Stalin up to 100 million? Soon we'll be surprised that anyone in Eastern Europe is alive at all.
[–]SneakySnakeXTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 20分前 (2子コメント)
His comment isn't bullshit, just goes against the circlejerk.
Mao = 35 Million
Stalin = 45 Million
80 million on the high side, 60 million on the low end. It's not bullshit at all. Each killed far more than Nazi Germany.
[–]spammo5 [スコア非表示] 15分前 (1子コメント)
So while there is no consensus on the actual numbers, you just put 45 million and claim it to be correct? Oh Reddit, "summarizing" complicated things into simple numbers, based on whatever agenda they want to push. How did you come up with 45 million, if you don't mind?
[–]SneakySnakeXTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 12分前 (0子コメント)
How many do you think Stalin killed?
[+]hiro111 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 2時間前 (7子コメント)
If it's America's "unofficial religion" to not subscribe to a toxic ideology that has led to more deaths than any other political idea in the past 150 years, I guess I agree.
[–]yorgu [スコア非表示] 25分前 (0子コメント)
you are right,i am living in a former soviet union country in europe and I know what communism means and the communist propaganda which is the same as in todays politically correct america. Political correctnes is a new form of communist brainwashing(which is why eastern european countries dont buy the cultural marxist bullshit like the one on reddit,because eastern europeans can smell marxist propaganda before arriving).
[–]OfthedoorTop Contributor -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
a toxic ideology
We actually don't know. Which makes Sovietism and Maoism just failed attempts at Communism. So no nation has really experienced it because none went past the "dictatorship of proletariat" phase.
[–]yorgu [スコア非表示] 22分前 (2子コメント)
So you say that we must give dictatorship and proletariat another try in the western world so after that phase we should live in a marxist utopia?
[–]richardtheassassin [スコア非表示] 11分前 (0子コメント)
They'll get it right some day. Ignore the death camps in the meantime.
[–]OfthedoorTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 12分前 (0子コメント)
You seem to have some misconceptions about it. It is quite understandable. We've all been conditioned to forget about it.
also I am not sure you understand well what "proletariat" is.
"pro·le·tar·i·at ˌprōləˈterēət/ noun workers or working-class people, regarded collectively."
So you don't "give another try to them", there is still a working-class in the US and if anything, it's bigger than ever.
Wiki has a decent explanation of what is the "dictatorship of the proletariat" if you care to check it out.
Here is a quick excerpt of it:
"Rosa Luxemburg, a Marxist theorist, emphasized the role of the dictatorship of the proletariat as the rule of the whole class, representing the majority, and not a single party, characterizing the dictatorship of the proletariat as a concept meant to expand democracy rather than reduce it, as opposed to minority rule in the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the only other class state power can reside in according to Marxist theory."
So it's not really a dictatorship.
All I am saying is Marxism and communism have been demonized in the Western world, and particularly in the US. I personally don't like people telling me what I should or shouldn't believe. I like to think for myself. 19th century German philosophers weren't dumbasses. They are an interesting read.
[–]SneakySnakeXTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 19分前 (1子コメント)
Last time I checked, majority of countries are capitalist, not communist.
[–]OfthedoorTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 7分前 (0子コメント)
Ok. a few centuries ago there were all feudal systems. You point?
[–]Paulbo83 [スコア非表示] 36分前 (1子コメント)
Lets just make the US communist because it worked so well to go communist in the past
[–]SneakySnakeXTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 19分前 (0子コメント)
This propaganda channel is from a Pro-Communist country so of course they'd suggest capitalism is terrible and communism is great.
Funny thing is even Russia is more capitalist than communist and has been for decades.
[+]Liquidsounds スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 2時間前* (9子コメント)
This is a pretty ironic stance to take given that socialism/communism require a shared quasi-religious attitude whereas capitalism doesn't. Communism takes on aspects of Judeo-Christian philosophy such as utopia, worship and collective subjugation to a supposed perfect higher power.
[–]DirtyPolecatTop Contributor 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間前 (7子コメント)
This is a pretty ironic stance to take given that socialism/communism require a shared quasi-religious attitude whereas capitalism doesn't.
Oh, but capitalists do have their god. It's called money, and they'll do anything for it.
[–]Liquidsounds 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Money doesn't even have to be involved, its just the idea of people being able to freely exchange one thing for another. For example I have a chicken, you have a sack of potatoes, we would like to exchange our goods, this can happen on any level and doesn't require a large legal or bureaucratic intervention unlike communism or socialism. So Whilst you might say that an individual worships his money or a collective of people are obsessed with money it doesn't require a large top down intervention or organised religious structure to succeed, its just a natural state of affairs.
[–]MineBuilder1912 [スコア非表示] 29分前 (0子コメント)
The great god Profit as John Le Carre put it
[–]CadaverlancheTop Contributor -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
There is only one God, and Money is his profit.
[–]CadaverlancheTop Contributor -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
worship and collective subjugation to a supposed perfect higher power.
Sounds similar to The Job Creators.
[–]honeybadger5386 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1時間前* (0子コメント)
So I just don't think this is anything other than dumb.
In America, about 50% of the economy is completely voluntary. Live your life and do what you want.
Another 25% or so is stuff basically everyone uses to a large extent that government provides involuntarily. Basically you have to buy it, but no one really objects to it because we all need it.
The final 25% or so is pretty much bullshit, implicitly corrupt bullshit like half the DoD's budget, the war on drugs, corporate bailouts, no free trade for drugs, have to see a doctor for penicillin lol, etc. I hate this shit and fight it whenever I can.
Soviet Union was 5% voluntary agreements, 35% stuff we all need, and 60% bullshit - how are we seeing no investment, poor housing, and poor health care when their defense budget routinely was larger than those in the West?
Moreover, anyone is free to be who they are in America. I know a few communists, and I've read Marx. I don't disagree with him on ethics, but his economic analyses regarding diminishing marginal returns to capital have so far not yet set in yet, and his predictions regarding population growth have been the opposite of what occurs during development. These are at the center of his assumptions about the failure of capitalism.
Finally the implicit assumptions about the role of the state in economics spill over into the state's role in social matters. See Mao's batshit insane cultural revolution, pretty much anything in North Korea, or Russian seriousface over sodomy.
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Lol I love how commenters chose to hide their votes in a politically-oriented discussions.
[–]PM_ur_RumpTop Contributor [スコア非表示] 18分前 (0子コメント)
Huh?
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