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[–]EMTduke 452ポイント453ポイント  (158子コメント)

I know people hate on it, but cheerleading is a much harder sport than people realize.

[–]jruhlman09 356ポイント357ポイント  (47子コメント)

I think the reason for most of the hate is a lot of people don't differentiate between competitive cheerleading, and sideline cheerleading. When they say "cheerleading isn't a sport" they are referring to the latter, picturing people standing, leading cheers, and waving pom-poms.

I think most people would have a hard time watching competitive cheerleading and saying it doesn't involve a lot of skill and athleticism.

[–]DeadNoobie 230ポイント231ポイント  (26子コメント)

Actually cheerleading brands and companies (like Varisty Brands) lobby to keep cheerleading from being officially recognized as a sport because it keeps them from having to adhere to regulations that sports must follow.

It lets the brands form their own regulatory committee's with little to no oversight for things like safety,insurance, and accountability. They don't even ban coaches who are convicted of sexually assaulting their charges.

As usual, its all about the money.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/varsity-brands-owns-cheerleading-and-fights-to-keep-it-from-becoming-an-official-sport-7606297

[–]froibo 69ポイント70ポイント  (16子コメント)

They should just change the name to team gymnastics. That's basically what it is, and no one could deny that gymnastics is a sport.

[–]Yetchi 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly. But use at this point you aren't really leading any cheers. It's a gymnastics routine involving 2 or more people. So team gymnastics is a better way to categorize it. Why have to make a districting between competitive and 'sideline' cheerleading when one of them isn't really cheerleading.

[–]Not_An_Ambulance 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

But... cheerleading outfits?

[–]PlayMp1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They happen to be pretty good for acrobatics.

[–]JuanJeanJohn 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Some people call things like gymnastics not a sport because they're judged. I don't know what those people would call it if it isn't a sport, though - an athletic artform maybe?

[–]SH92 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

An exhibition or a competition.

Playing the drums requires a lot of skill and athleticism. If you had 10 people perform for a panel of judges, would you call it a sport?

Dance competitions require a lot of skill and athleticism. If you had 10 teams perform for a panel of judges, would you call it a sport?

[–]PlayMp1 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

By that standard, boxing isn't a sport.

[–]MrLegilimens [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I do. I think there's a difference between skills and sports. Sports should be objective.

[–]froibo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It is in the Olympics. Plenty of athletics aren't objective.

[–]MrLegilimens [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

And I don't think it belongs in the Olympics. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]froibo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

As someone else mentioned, by that definition you would have to remove boxing and MMA as a sport because most matches go to decision by judges.

[–]MrLegilimens [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, boxing is attempting to change that by doing that whole point system shit or whatever Pacquio lost to. I don't really know enough about boxing to comment on it. But yes, it's a skill, it's athletic, it's something a very very very small sub population of the world can do at a professional level, but should it be in the Olympics? Hell no. And I keep my "sports" bar at "Can it be done at the Olympics" + "Is there a clear way to discover who won and who lost that is not based on human judgment."

[–]jruhlman09 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I went looking for an article about this right after you posted, and it looks like we found to same one. Really interesting stuff, I had no idea.

[–]DeadNoobie 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's the most recent one I could find with a good amount of information. There's some documentaries about it as well that could probably be found on youtube or something.

[–]robodrew 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Real Sports had a really good segment about it.

[–]couIombs 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

For anybody looking for more information on the bullshit surrounding Varsity Brands, Penn and Teller did a GREAT expose on them on their show Bullshit!

[–]oOoleveloOo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

California just made cheerleading an officially sanctioned sport.

[–]Ksguy14 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't doubt this is true but I was a yell-leader my senior year of High School and the camp we went to was ran by Varsity and they put a huge emphasis on safety. Awards for following safe procedures were given out along with best performance awards. I'm not saying what they are doing is right but just wanted to point out that its not like safety is of no concern to them.

[–]babygotsap [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There is an episode of Penn&Tellers Bullshit that deals with this.

[–]GeekAesthete 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

The name is really the problem. When you speak of "leading cheers", it sounds like something that literally anyone could do. This, on the other hand, is some hardcore gymnastics; the "cheering" part has nothing to do with what makes it impressive.

[–]Duff_McLaunchpad 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ya, cheerleading is the only "sport" that depends on an entirely different, (and main event) sport to be played.

[–]MrSushimaster [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't talk down on sideline cheerleading. Try smiling that hard for five minutes, and then extend it to, like, four straight hours.

Those girls carbo-load before the game just to keep energy in those cheeks.

[–]Paydrone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have a lot of people ask me if I hold pom poms and sing songs, hahaha.

[–]sonickarma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have the utmost respect for those in competitive cheerleading. You have to be in great athletic shape to be able to perform those types of stunts.

The problem for me is calling it a sport. To me, a sport is something with a completely objective scoring system. The ball went in the hoop? That's two points. Your batter rounded all the bases and made it back home? That's one point. The ball crossed the plane of the endzone? That's 6 points. There's no debate about it, there are no style points, it just is what it is.

With competitive cheerleading (and other activities such as synchronized swimming and ice skating), the scores are determined by a completely subjective system.

Example: Skater A does a routine. One judge sees the routine and, based on his/her opinion, gives the skater a score of 9.5. Another judge, watching the same routine at the same time, decides to give the skater a score of 8.6.

In my opinion, anything that is scored subjectively shouldn't be called a sport, but rather an athletic competition.

But hey, that's just me.

[–]kefkai [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have a hard time calling anything a sport that doesn't involve direct competition/contact from the other team. That's just me personally, because if we follow a definition that just involves competition then things like the Eukanuba cup are considered sports. Basically anything that requires a judge instead of a referee in my mind just doesn't fit the definition of a sport, not that it's not entertainment or doesn't require skill but requiring a judge to me says who wins can be pretty arbitrary.

[–]highphive [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

While its entirely semantics, I think it's most correct to not consider cheerleading a sport. To me, a sport requires directly competitive play.

Competitive cheerleading seems to me like it's better classified as, well, a competition. A team does a routine which is then subjectively scored (albeit on objective baselines).

I don't think this distinction would be problematic for anyone if people didn't treat the word "sport" like its some kind of status symbol. Just because your activity isn't a sport doesn't mean it's not super hard or grueling or you don't work as hard as people in sports. Being designated as a sport isn't an achievement, there's no reason to want it (in my opinion).

[–]MostlyUselessFacts 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Skill + athleticism =/= sport

There is a third major component to "qualifying" as a sport - a set of rules and scoring that is not subjective, and cheerleading doesn't check that box off.

[–]TheGoldenHand 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Competitive cheerleading definitely has a set of rules and objective scoring guidelines. A sport is any activity involving a competition. Sports can also be used for entertainment. Competitive dancing, gymnastics, cheerleading are all sports.

[–]MostlyUselessFacts 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Competitive cheerleading definitely has a set of rules and objective scoring guidelines.

No, it does not - not in the same sense that "real" sports do. You do not simply get X points for executing X move - a whole slew of things are totally in the hands of the judges.

"By entering a contest where judging is subjective, you must accept the decision of the panel of judges.”

http://www.varsity.com/event/1190/cheer_judges_tips

A quote FROM a cheerleading judge, acknowledging the subjectivity of the sport. You would NEVER hear a referee call football "subjective".

“Have fun on the floor. It is a blast to watch a squad that is having a great time performing. That translates into points!”

More fun = more points. Come on now, the outcome of any real sport should not be decided on how much fun it looks like one team is having. Get real.

[–]Johnny-Lingo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are they athletes? Yes. Is it a sport? No.

[–]ButtOfParadise [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Others in the thread said it well: It's all Varsity. Look more into it and how they're keeping cheer from officially being a sport for the money. There are also TONS of other "branches" of cheer that don't really care about the "show", it's about the skill and its execution. NCATA and STUNT are two examples of sports that colleges compete in that use stunts and tumbling like what you're used to seeing, but in more of a "game" format. It's really awesome.

[–]MostlyUselessFacts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

From the STUNT wiki:

The decision of the final ranking for the round is based on combining the individual scoring official’s rankings.

There are three scoring officials who individually rank the teams according to the number of execution mistakes and the degree of those mistakes.

This is still far too much subjectivity - you have to understand that scoring metrics like "ball cross line" and "ball go into basket" and "puck cross line" and "ball clear wall" are on COMPLETELY different levels of objectivity than literally a team of judges deciding what is and is not as the wiki says "slight balance error" or "timing issue".

[–]GlyphGryph -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Competitive cheerleading, if it was a sport, wouldn't be "cheerleading" any longer. It'd be competitive team acrobatics. It's not, currently, a sport because the people in charge don't it to be, and keeping the name is is part of that, because it helps clarify that it is an entertainment competition and not a sporting event (see: competitive singing vs. competitive gymnastics).

Every competitive cheerleader has the option of doing pretty much the same thing in the context of an actual sport but choose not to for various reasons.

[–]billsfan716 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

pretty much the reason baseball is not a sport......

[–]Kitchenfire -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Competitive cheerleading is as much a sport as competetive eating is a sport. Take that however you like.

[–]Yetchi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah. Competitive eating has an objective . First one to finish or left standing wins. With competitive gymnastics it's very much so up to the opinion of a judge. I mean, at this point do we consider concert band in high school a sport? Or marching band? They also compete in high energy stressful situations containing various difficult moves and are then appointed points by a panel of judges that may or may not have even liked the song you played or are hyper critical of a sousaphone player losing a shoe. Same shit different skills.

[–]SH92 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

They're both not sports for different reasons. Competitive eating is objective, but doesn't require you to be an athlete to compete. Competitive cheerleading isn't a sport because the winner isn't determined objectively.

[–]Kitchenfire [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So judged sports aren't real sports but eating with an objective is? This world of sports is so confusing.

[–]BazTehBarrett 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

How is this Cheerleading a seperate sport? It's acrobatics/Gymnastics in sports team attire.

[–]Rooonaldooo99 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure no one sensible looked at this and said "Pshh, that's easy. Hold my Mountain Dew."

[–]Obi-wan_Jabroni 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is the uk cheerleading team which as they tell us during every football and basketball game they are 20 time national champions

[–]frillytotes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I didn't know UK had a cheerleading team. TIL!

[–]Sveenee 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's also incredibly easy to injure yourself doing cheerleading. It's a difficult and dangerous sport.

[–]thebloodofthematador [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I was a cheerleader for awhile and I saw a lot of people get hurt, even though everybody was talented and observed all safety precautions.

I always hated when people said "cheerleading isn't a sport/isn't hard" because I am pretty sure that, before I started actively pursuing cardio/weightlifting in adulthood, I was in the best shape of my life as a cheerleader. We did pushups. We ran baselines. We did box jumps, walking lunges, burpees, power yoga, etc. It was tough.

[–]GrizzIyadamz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In fact iirc you're more likely to be injured cheerleading than playing football.

[–]AlchomicalAstronaut 4ポイント5ポイント  (51子コメント)

It's a sport that requires incredible strength, skill, balance, coordination and flexibility. I dont know why it gets hate either (the other comment sums it up well). Edit: Just like to clarify that I think it should at least be respected and acknowledged, rather than simply hated.

[–]p_ql 17ポイント18ポイント  (50子コメント)

It's not a sport if the score is subjective.

[–]LordFauntloroy 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Gotten in dozens of arguments with friends over this but I have to agree entirely. Painting can require immense physical strength and stamina if you make it. Sculpting does depending on your medium. If the victory condition is subjective, it's art.

[–]Checkmate357 15ポイント16ポイント  (25子コメント)

What about diving, synchronized swimming, freestyle skiing and snowboarding, gymnastics, boxing, etc?

[–]p_ql -2ポイント-1ポイント  (21子コメント)

Boxing is because you can KO to win and a KO is not subjective. But yeah, I don't consider any of the others sports. Sporty, sure. A Sport, no.

[–]Checkmate357 0ポイント1ポイント  (20子コメント)

But if you don't KO the scoring is subjective.

EDIT: Also what so you mean sporty? Athletic but not objective?

[–]MostlyUselessFacts 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

But if you don't KO the scoring is subjective.

Only to a point - it largely takes into account actual stats like % of punches landed, counterpunching %, etc.

Any competition that grades you on whether or not you were smiling enough is not a sport.

[–]DieHardRaider [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

And all those %'s are subjective by judge. Sure their is a strict guideline to what is considered a punch and what not but every other sport has strict guidelines also. At the end of the day it's up to the judges to decided if that punch was landed or not.

[–]MostlyUselessFacts [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

And all those %'s are subjective by judge.

There is subjectivity in whether or not a pitch is thrown in the strike zone, or subjectivity in whether or not a referee calls a foul on any given play in football or basketball or whatever, but it's all about limiting subjectivity as much as possible.

Cheer, gymnastics, etc. rely SOLELY on the judges decision - you do not simply get X amount of points for performing a certain maneuver - one judge could give you more than the other for the same exact move. Could you imagine if a table of judges sat around and decided if a certain touchdown was worth 4, 5, or 6 points depending on how it was scored? That would obviously be ridiculous.

You will always have "subjectivity" in real sports until we have robot refs - but at the end of the day, their scoring systems are defined and immutable - you cannot say the same for cheer, gymnastics, sync swimming, etc.

[–]DieHardRaider [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Well your definition of "real sports" is wrong. I played college football and have major respect to all the athletes that were at my university to call what one is doing a sport and the other not. To say gymnastics isn't a sport is flat out laughable.

[–]Checkmate357 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Only to a point

Any amount of subjectivity is still subjectivity.

Any activity that grades you on whether or not you were smiling enough is not a sport.

And if you want to get technical about it anything that isn't competitive, athletic in nature, and skillful isn't a sport.

[–]MostlyUselessFacts 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any amount of subjectivity is still subjectivity.

You're oversimplifying it. Every time a pitcher throws a ball an umpire has to make a subjective call on whether it was in the strike zone. On every play in the NFL, a ref has to make a subjective call on whether player A committed any number of penalties.

Subjectivity happens ALL THE TIME in real sports, it's about limiting that subjectivity to an absolute minimum. In cheerleading's case, subjectivity is the end all be all deciding factor in each and every outcome. Can you imagine if a panel of judges got to decide how many points a TD was worth based on how a player scored it? Real sports have scoring systems that are above simple opinion.

Sports: Football, soccer, basketball, hockey, etc. (skill + athleticism + objective scoring)

Games: Golf, pool, etc. (skill + objective scoring)

Athletic competition: Skateboarding, cheerleading, gymnastics, synchronized swimming, etc. (skill + athleticism)

Just my opinion.

[–]p_ql 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

That's true, but the entire premise is to KO and avoid that subjectivity. AFAIK, you can't legally win in synchronized swimming by drowning the other teams.

Yeah, athletic/sporty. It takes a lot of athleticism to do pro cheer, nobody denies that. Much respect. And it takes almost no athletism at all to play pool, but by me that's a sport. I admit that my own definition of "sport" is wrong according to the OED, but I don't care.

[–]PlayMp1 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

but the entire premise is to KO

I mean... Floyd Mayweather is a boxing champion despite hardly ever KOing people (other than his wife and child).

[–]MostlyUselessFacts 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I thought you got it all right until you brought up pool.

I think the three major components of sport are skill + rigorous athleticism + objective scoring - pool isn't nearly "rigorous" enough for me to label it a sport. Now, to be consistent with this, this also means that I don't consider golf or auto/horse racing to be a sport, and I'm sure people will disagree with that.

[–]berriesthatburn [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

IMO it's skill+scoring and a competitive scene. This will include esports, chess, pool, racing, etc(which is actually physically demanding in ways you might not think of).

[–]MostlyUselessFacts [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

IMO it's skill+scoring and a competitive scene.

So now Jeopardy is a sport?

You missed the most important element - a raw display of athleticism. That is the very basis of sport.

So no, chess and esports aren't sports. And yes, I'm watching (and love) the LoL world championships, but that doesn't change the fact that they are not athletes, and athletes compete in sports.

[–]Checkmate357 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok but the whole point of a sport is to compete. And just because the point of boxing is to KO the other person, it does not take the subjectivity out of it, so to you boxing is not a sport.

[–]p_ql 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, boxing is still a sport to me. I granted myself the authority to grant sport waivers back in 2005, and then I granted one to boxing about 30 minutes ago.

[–]lovelesschristine 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

The Olympics' scores are subjective, so does that mean those aren't sports?

[–]p_ql 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

That is what I'm saying, yes. I can't think of anything in the summer track and field that I wouldn't call a sport, but almost all some Winter games are just right out.

[–]Posseon1stAve [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think more than half of the winter events have objective scoring. Either by distance, time or straight scoring.

[–]p_ql [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nice, thanks! I was just thinking about that.

[–]PlayMp1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

but almost all Winter games are just right out.

So... the Winter Olympics is mostly comprised of not-sports.

Okay.

[–]p_ql [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

[–]Vihzel [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Wow... just because you don't understand how scoring in figure skating works, doesn't mean you should completely belittle it by saying they're just entertainers. Do you understand the differences between the triple salchow, triple toe loop, triple loop, triple flip, triple lutz, and triple axel jumps, and why they have varying difficulties and baseline points associated with them?

[–]p_ql [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I don't think it diminishes a thing to call it entertainment.

[–]Vihzel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

But you're flat out insinuating that figure skating is just skaters entertaining a crowd, and completely ignoring all of the technical aspects behind everything in the performance.

[–]stormblooper [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Neat, you've got your own personal special definition of "sport". Well done! The rest of us all use this one:

"an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment."

[–]p_ql [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm obviously not the only one that further restricts the definition. That's the beauty of English: it's alive and changes over time.

[–]hateyoualways [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That definition is so broad it can include any activity in existence.

[–]DieHardRaider [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So boxing mma are also not sports good to know. But reddit believes Esports are real sports.

[–]tronald_dump [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

pleb boxing isnt a REAL sport

watches 8 hours of twitch streaming league of legends

[–]iamatroll83 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

sport? sport? come on man, it's competitive but not a sport.

[–]brocahantas 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

As much of a sport as gymnastics, acrobatics, synchronized swimming, or diving.

[–]SH92 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Correct. None of those are sports. To become a sport, you need an objective scoring system.

[–]brocahantas [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Then what are they?

Also I'm curious where you're getting that definition from.

[–]d4b3ss [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Competitions. Events. Games.

I think there needs to be some line that declares something a sport, and "objective scoring system" is one of the ones people like most, so I go with it. All sports are athletic events, but not all athletic events are sports.

[–]SH92 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Competitions or exhibitions.

If you don't require an objective scoring system, literally any physical activity can be defined as a sport.

Would you consider ballet, drumming, or sculpture a sport?

[–]brocahantas [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Sculpture isn't a physical activity, drumming is playing music, and ballet is dance (if we're talking a ballet competition then I don't see why it wouldn't be on the same level as figure skating or something similar).

[–]SH92 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How isn't sculpture a physical activity? For the large sculptures especially, it can be utterly exhausting.

Drumming is definitely is a physical activity, but the result is aural art (music) rather than physical art (dance).

I personally put a dance competition at the same level as gymnastics or cheerleading. Extremely difficult athletic competition, but not a sport.

[–]Fsuwatabug23 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Is the definition I pick up from a Google search.

Whether they've been officially declared a sport or not is a different story.

But I believe they should be. Cheerleaders spend an immense amount of time practicing. I knew cheerleaders who would spend 4+ hours a night some practicing back in high school. That's the work some of them put in in high school.

[–]Hannah591 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is why cheerleaders are usually depicted as arrogant people.

[–]adamsworstnightmare [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're right but part of the hate is from how corrupt the governing org is.

[–]i_love_Cheekzz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Depends. Cheerleading competitions yes, but just flat out cheerleading at a football game no.

[–]emo_scrabble [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think of cheerleading as a type a martial arts.

[–]DragonMeme [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I just don't see why cheerleading should be treated separately from gymnastics.

[–]Jesus390 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah its just way less fun to watch. I find crocheting to be very hard but im not spending 10 hours this sunday to watch it.

[–]Solid_Waste [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't see what the problem is. Skirts are awesome. I'd rather watch cheerleading than football, honestly.

[–]womm -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

People hate on cheerleading?

[–]RandomGo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is a very difficult activity that provides a lot of joy and I am a HUGE fan of it, I love it so much. However, it's not a "sport".

[–]NEVERDOUBTED -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well...this type certainly is. But being a cheerleader for the Dallas Cowboys...not so much.

[–]Noctis_Fox -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Competitive cheerleading is the hard sport.

Depending on your high school, you either get the pro's where they do all the fancy maneuvers, or you get the ones that do a little jig and clap. Usually the latter is more often true, and then the whole debate of "cheerleading is a sport" shows up.

[–]tehgarbageman -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

We probably wouldn't hate on it so much if...

  • Cheerleaders wore athletic clothing instead of mini miniskirts designed to show ass every time they flip or jump

  • Cheerleaders were not selected for their looks as much as their athletic ability

  • Cheerleaders were not parked on the side of "real sports" as a distraction

  • Cheerleaders were not assholes to everyone in high school

[–]secretagentkazak 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cheerleaders were not assholes to everyone in high school

Sounds like you're projecting