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[–]kinyutaka 273ポイント274ポイント  (275子コメント)

So, I'm guessing more of a normal shooting among friends, and not a crazed lunatic that thinks he's sending a message.

[–]Fallen_Glory 517ポイント518ポイント  (202子コメント)

normal shooting among friends

What is your definition of normal?

[–]kinyutaka 180ポイント181ポイント  (19子コメント)

If I were you, I'd be questioning my definition of "friends".

But seriously, I mean that this isn't a crazy person with a manifesto, killing people because he got one too many wedgies.

[–]boyuber 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

Most murders involve lovers, friends or acquaintances. Very few killings are perpetrated by persons completely unknown to the victim.

[–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

In all honesty, that is probably what makes the true school shootings so terrible to people.

Shooters in that situation are more or less acting randomly. It isn't the same as a domestic violence (where the people know each other intimately), or a bar fight (where people tend to be familiar), or even a robbery (where the goal isn't to kill anyone).

They simply mean to kill anyone they can.

[–]NyaaFlame [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Luckily spree killers and serial killers aren't as common. I fully agree that someone who kills because they can is far scarier than someone who killed because they got angry. In the latter you can see it as a crime of passion, like when a guy beats his cheating wife to death with a lamp or something. The former is just someone who is fucked up.

[–]Fallen_Glory 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

I don't even want to say they were friends

[–]AssSandwich [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Still a crazy person.

[–]intronink 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

One that happens because of drugs, money, or girls

[–]ten24 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most killers kill people because they know them and dislike them.... Not random people they've never met.

[–]FunnOnABunn 97ポイント98ポイント  (135子コメント)

America - where we're in so much denial about gun violence that we have "normal shootings"

[–]Toucanzhigher 34ポイント35ポイント  (96子コメント)

How about normal murder? There is no denial people will kill each other. Step down from your place on high and recognize reality.

EDIT: since everyone has no perspective on reality in the US check out /r/DGU

[–]DismySRDaccountlol 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

If guns weren't exponentially more efficient at wrecking someone's shit, and thus inherently more dangerous when an asshole gets a hold of one, then why do people even care about gun control? You don't see anybody throwing as much of a fit about restricted knives, do you?

[–]Toucanzhigher [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You also aren't going to be able to protect your self with a knife as efficiently

[–]pwny_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, there's England...

[–]nogoodliar [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

A good way to explain this to people is that the next most efficient weapon next to a gun is a knife, which is a significant drop in efficacy, but the next thing down from a knife is... any sharp object, which is not significantly less effective. So when people complain about "banning knives next" it's a shit argument. Banning guns would have an effect, banning knives would not.

[–]pxld1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hmmmm... I wonder how many people are killed or grievously injured from bladed weapons each year... How does that figure compare to firearms? (Results may surprise you)

[–]anoldoldman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

Nope pretty much exactly what I expected, guns accounted for at least 2/3 of homicides in the US last year. That number is higher this year.

[–]turbovolvozzz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No one is denying guns are efficient at killing people. We should be just as upset when someone is stabbed or someone drowns their kid in the tub.

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    [–]signet6 13ポイント14ポイント  (23子コメント)

    Yeah but it's a hell of a lot easier to kill someone with a gun.

    [–]Wave_Entity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    yeah i mean its what guns are for.

    [–]sparklyjesus [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

    It's also a hell of a lot easier to stop someone from killing you when you have a gun.

    [–]singularity2030 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

    That's why there are so many more murders in countries with extremely limited access to firearms, right? Oh wait, it's the opposite.

    [–]Youareabadperson6 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Guns are banned in China, lots of murders there, guns are hard to get in russia, lots of murders there. Guns are hard to get in most African and South American countries tons of murders there. It's almost as if access to firearms has nothing to do with the murder rate, and it's a sociological issue.

    [–]ohgodtheterror [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Be careful, reddit is convinced that if you're pro-2A, you're the simple one. They don't have time for complex and nuanced issues like income inequality or history of gang warfare as a result of socioeconomics and drug policy. All they know is that fewer people die in Norway, and Norway has less guns, therefore less guns will mean less murder. If you believe otherwise, you're the idiot, idiot.

    [–]grumblyman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Hi there, China and Russia are huge places so it's tricky to generalise, but IN GENERAL there are thriving black markets in those countries and big problems with institutionalised corruption making guns fairly easy to get ahold of, especially in more rural areas. Banning guns does not get rid of murders - however the murder rates in a developed country such as the USA are huge compared to just about any other prosperous nation.

    It's also just true that banning guns in countries which are equivalent in terms of their standard of living (such as Australia) made a huge difference to the murder rates, for the better. Unfortunately, access to firearms has a huge amount to do with the murder rate, because a gun makes it easier to murder somebody.

    [–]GadflyIII [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Except that is not true at all.

    [–]sparklyjesus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Like Mexico maybe? Where guns are pretty much illegal? Look at the murder rates in Latin America compared to the US. It's not just guns.

    [–]semtex87 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    I suggest you look at that list and sort from highest to lowest. You should be able to see that the countries with the highest murder rates not only ban gun ownership for citizens but they also tend to have very high poverty rates.

    If you can't figure that out then I can't help you.

    [–]st0nefox [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    do you american folks walk around with your weapons drawn all the time or something? sounds like a fun place to be

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      [–]sparklyjesus [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      It's also a hell of a lot easier to stop someone from killing you when you have a gun.

      [–]potatomasher420 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      How is that working out exactly?

      [–]sparklyjesus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      If you're a 100 lb woman and you're being charged by a 230 lb man with a knife, you're pretty much done for. But if you are a 100 lb woman with a handgun, the field is leveled. You have a good chance at surviving this encounter.

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        [–]RedCpt [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

        True, we've had a grand total of.. ZERO college shootings in the Netherlands in the history of our country. You just had two.. In like a week. Please tell us how that has nothing to do with the US' gun policy. By your logic people here just use different instruments. I forgot about those 9 knife massacres on colleges here. Wait, that didn't happen. You lunatic.

        [–]CosmicTraveller [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        To be honest though, it does seem to be an American centric problem. Other countries that have/had guns like the UK had very, very low shooting rates even before they were banned.

        [–]BleachBody [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Because even before they were effectively banned, we had very low gun ownership rates.

        [–]terminalzero [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

        whoops

        [–]85dewwwsu7 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Netherlands has 18 million people. USA has 320 million and local crime rates can differ greatly. Places like Vermont and Idaho have high gun ownership, yet very low gun crime.

        Netherlands has a 16 year old drinking age vs 21 in USA. I doubt alcohol related problems are higher in the Netherlands, but even if they are, it wouldn't necessarily be because of the laws.

        [–]insidethebox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Your population sample is also 95% smaller than the United States, so statistically, you're more of an outlier. Not really a strong comparison if you're trying to make a point about gun control.

        [–]SmilingAnus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Having opinions without experience is like having a bank without money.

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          [–]rougement -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Drunken arguments in countries where access to guns isn't as easy as breathing tend to lead to a couple of broken noses, not people dying.

          You're the one with a reality deficit.

          [–]ucunts [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          It's more of the culture that goes to guns than the availability of guns. Bricks are always available and you don't see Canadians smashing each other's heads in with bricks every day.

          [–]NyaaFlame [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          Well, I mean you can't just pull a brick out y'know. Doesn't really fit in your pocket, and those fuckers are quite the thing to pull out of a wall.

          [–]ucunts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Look for the odd colored one, like a video game.

          [–]arrow74 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          In reality they lead to stabbings instead.

          [–]Toucanzhigher [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Yeah lemme just run over to the gas station tent have a gun dispenser there I'll just throw in a few quarters and start shooting.

          [–]harleykins88 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          Or people can stop excepting it as a reality and maybe things can change. "normal shootings" and "normal murders" should not exist as phrases.

          [–]Sabalabajaybum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          There is murder and then there is murder murder.

          [–]Toucanzhigher [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Yes we should enact laws against murder or something.

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            [–]Stalked_Like_Corn 3ポイント4ポイント  (18子コメント)

            Friend of mine says it's just mental health issues. He doesn't seem to realize that it's a combination of both.

            [–]socsa [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

            The mental health angle is a dog whistle for "I don't believe that there is actually any problem with this." I'm not saying it isn't a factor, but the people who harp on it don't actually want to do anything about it.

            I mean seriously - this is the narrative coming from a party who has routinely stated that they want to dismantle social programs, and who are so vehemently opposed to any sort of public health system, they will shut down to government over it. Yet we are supposed to believe they support the creation of some kind of comprehensive public mental health system? Pardon me if that smells like bull shit. Republicans have been slowly dismantling mental healthcare in this country since Reagan started shutting down facilities in the 80's. But seriously, they want to do something about the mental health situation, and they swear they will show you the plan once you elect them. Pinkie swear.

            [–]edgarde [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Actually many of those mentally ill persons are now housed in the prison system. Prisons are a solution Republicans are generally okay with. The gun lobby in general would probably consider this an acceptable solution as well.

            [–]UhOhSpaghettios1963 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            The mental health angle is a dog whistle for "I don't believe that there is actually any problem with this."

            Wat? Strawman harder. Do you think the mental health angle was started by Republicans? I'm liberal to the point where the Dems look like baby conservatives and I still agree the lack of mental healthcare is a huge factor in these mass shootings. The mental health angle is a dog whistle for "I don't believe that mentally healthy people bring a gun to school and open fire on the crowds and execute people mafia style"

            [–]socsa [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            It's certainly a factor to some degree. It's certainly not the only factor though, and the people who are the most vocal about it have repeatedly shown they have no intention of doing anything about it. Which makes it lip service either way.

            "I don't believe that mentally healthy people bring a gun to school and open fire on the crowds and execute people mafia style"

            That's sort of begging the question now, isn't it? "You'd have to be insane to fly missions..."

            [–]UhOhSpaghettios1963 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            It's certainly a factor to some degree. It's certainly not the only factor though, and the people who are the most vocal about it have repeatedly shown they have no intention of doing anything about it. Which makes it lip service either way.

            It's just the nature of politics in the US. Neither side is capable of a quick fix, which is what they're really looking for, as to score political points. Gun control won't solve the problem, and a better mental healthcare system won't solve the problem. It's a nuanced cultural problem, and America isn't really ready for that discussion. You can't make it an Us vs. Them type deal unless you let the discussion be framed the way it is now, which is entirely ineffectual.

            That's sort of begging the question now, isn't it? "You'd have to be insane to fly missions..."

            Sort of. People shoot people dead here all the time, but most don't leave manifestos, most don't indiscriminately target people in high pop areas, most don't intend to make their murders a public spectacle, ect. This shit is a specific flavor of shooting, committed by very similar people. They're always white, male, mentally disturbed, very bigoted or jaded, ect. Something very specific is going on here.

            [–]CosmicTraveller [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            But I'm a British supporter of the NHS and I think it's more of a mental health problem than a gun problem.

            What about me?

            [–]socsa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Trust me, I'd love nothing more than if the GOP changed tune on this and introduced a bill which funded a comprehensive, public mental health system in this country. I'm a big fan of finding innovative or experimental ways to combat difficult social problems. I'd even soften my tone on the matter to give it some time to work.

            All I'm saying is that until someone on the right lays out a concrete plan to implement such a system, there is nothing to do but view it as cynical lip service.

            [–]SleptLate78 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            I believe mental health needs to be addressed and that if it is, we may see fewer of these incidents. And I'm not for dismantling social programs. I think you're painting with a really broad brush there.

            [–]Johnny_Couger [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            If only we had a system where mental health care was cheap and affordable. Maybe the government could get involved and help theses people...

            Oh wait the conservatives that keep saying its a mental health issue don't want to do that because it's socialism.

            [–]Stalked_Like_Corn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            What's funny is my friends is a liberal. It's like the one conservative topic he actually agrees with. It's fucking weird.

            [–]Reck_yo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            We've had a population heavily saturated with guns for a few hundred years now...

            The only reason it's so "prevalent" now is because of national media and the degradation of morals and values in our society.

            [–]rune2004 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Guns will never just go kill someone. They need to be operated by a person with major mental issues or someone in a gang. No ifs, ands or buts there. Name one other situation where someone is wrongfully killed with a firearm besides those and the military. Mass shooter? Seriously messed up. Wife mad at her husband for cheating and shoots him? Major mental issues. Gang violence? Cultural issue, and you still need to be pretty messed up to think killing someone in the name of your gang is ok. Accidents? Unfortunate, but there are accidents with anything that people can own. There are orders of magnitude more automobile accidents in the US than there are firearm accidents and the amount of passenger vehicles on the road is 50 million less than there are firearms in the US.

            Firearms are but an implement with no minds of their own. Saying guns are the problem is the biggest straw man argument of them all. The issue is people, and guess what? People all over the world are pretty fucked up. We've been killing each other since forever, and being in a "modern society" isn't going to change that.

            [–]ramplepampkins [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

            Look at the facts man please. Data shows that there is no drop in shooting in areas that have HAD guns and then had them taken a way. Your only taking away guns from people who fallow the law already. The people who don't fallow the law will not give up the guns and will continue to do stupid shit.

            side note: I would much rather someone use a gun vs a bomb. (I would obviously rather neither happen.)

            [–]Anil303 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            Forgive me for asking as a non-American, but where are all the stories of people protecting themselves with said guns? (In these mass shootings)

            [–]ramplepampkins [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            These mass shootings all take place in "gun free zones." I think its something like 95% of them do, If I find a source I will post.

            FYI the recent umpqua shooting had 1 unarmed police guard on duty and their was an armed Vet off campus and they told him not to go on campus and try and save the day because its "gun free." Also I have don't have a source.

            Also the only reason you hear about this is because the media can have a heyday with it. You won't ever hear about how some kid pulled out a gun and didn't get a shot off because an armed civilian stopped him because what is the media going to do with that???

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              [–]singularity2030 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              That's because it's local bans and people can travel a short distance to get a gun still. It's just not effective the way it is. If you look at a city like NYC that has strict gun control and happens to be surrounded by areas with strict gun control, they have far less shootings per capita than someplace like Chicago that has strict control but is 30 minutes from areas that aren't the least bit restrictive.

              [–]BleachBody [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Which areas? Like NZ, Aus and the UK which each banned handguns and automatic weapons after deadly massacres, and where each country has not had another mass shooting in the more than 2 decades since?

              [–]VeryMagical [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              A few weeks ago I saw someone say "it wasn't even a bad school shooting".... Like... There are no good ones!!

              [–]kingssman -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

              We have tons of shootings. Mostly any normal violent altercation gets escalated to killing due to access to guns. Black on black shooting is a daily thing (but media doesn't care about that)

              We have like 100 gun deaths a day or something.

              Though despite every gun crime, we have millions of gun owners that don't commit crime. Yet every gun law passed only hinders the non violent non criminal gun owner.

              Due to the abundance of guns, any law passed will only serve as barriers to the competent law abiding owners.

              [–]whore_island_ocelots [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

              But isn't it worth it to have some barriers if it saves lives? I would argue that the number of guns positively correlates with increased crime, but I wouldn't say it is realistic to think that the U.S. can decrease that number. However I think sensible reform such as not selling to people that have previously been committed to psychiatric hospitals or creating mandatory background checks at any point of sale on a gun all seem like reasonable reforms while only adding minor inconvenience for the standard, law abiding citizens.

              [–]NyaaFlame [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

              As far as I recall there is a background check in the form of the fact that those who have committed a felony or domestic violence misdemeanor cannot own guns or ammunition.

              I think upgrading that to include a mental health exam would probably go a long way, if we also banned the personal sale of guns to anyone other than a licensed shop owner. It's too easy to go and borrow a gun from someone if you're not allowed to get one yourself, and I think that's where the biggest issue arises.

              [–]whore_island_ocelots [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

              There is a background check, however only in certain settings. Gun shows are not required to conduct background checks and guns are entirely transferable when we are talking about private sales.

              [–]singularity2030 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Yep. It turns out most people get their guns from legal sources according to the ATF, even if they lied on paperwork or the dealer is a bit shady, it's not like they're cracking down and keeping an eye on the legal dealers.

              [–]NyaaFlame [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              That's definitely an issue. You can make all the regulations you want, but if I can just walk down to Mark's house and buy his deagle for a buck fifty, then it doesn't matter.

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                [–]areyouretardedd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                you are basing a whole country on a reddit comment . ignorant

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                  [–]PhD_In_My_Inbox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  My guess is a shooting that doesn't involve a "happening thread" on 4chan

                  [–]dane83 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Dickey Cheney?

                  [–]badphish94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's just a prank bro.

                  [–]McWaddle 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Well, this is Arizona.

                  (/s. I'm an NAU student.)

                  [–]Fallen_Glory 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I picked it up without the /s ;D

                  Press conference is here by the way http://www.12news.com/videos/news/2015/10/09/70874174/

                  [–]purpleefilthh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Casual friday shootout.

                  [–]MasterCookSwag [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  I think what he meant was this isn't a school shooting but rather a shooting that happened at a school.

                  [–]Fallen_Glory [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah, going back on it he definitely seems to have meant that

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                    [–]Rayneworks 93ポイント94ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    Normal shooting among friends

                    Holy shit this describes like 80% of Trailer Park Boys.

                    [–]GreenMansions 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Oh god, when Trinity shot Ricky, and Ricky is writhing in pain and trying to make Trinity feel better at the same time. One of the funniest things I've ever seen.

                    [–]infectedsponge 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Fuck off Cyrus!

                    [–]purpleefilthh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Totally not worth puting away your drink.

                    [–]1iI1iI1iI1iI [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    9 millimeter, safety always off.

                    [–]nmezib 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    The term you're looking for is, "not premeditated."

                    "Normal shooting among friends" sounds like he "only shoots socially"

                    [–]kinyutaka 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    He's not addicted to killing or anything. He only kills at parties.

                    [–]Golanthanatos 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Drug deal gone bad.

                    [–]kinyutaka 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Makes sense, considering the time.

                    [–]MaximilianKohler 107ポイント108ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    normal shooting among friends

                    oh boy

                    [–]pepperouchau 120ポイント121ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That poster worded it poorly, but there really is a significant difference between a dispute between a few people turning violent and a spree shooting (though they're both obviously terrible).

                    [–]beebop222 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    welcome to america

                    [–]JustAdolf-LikeCher [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Yeah, you know; friendly fire. The regular stuff.

                    [–]AndySipherBull [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    here I go killin again

                    [–]DismySRDaccountlol 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    more of a normal shooting among friends.

                    fucking lol, god why is that so fucking funny? "Hey Ted, wanna hang out with the boys after work? we're gonna be shooting some pool, and each other if you want in"

                    [–]kinyutaka 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    A friend once asked me, "Tim," I don't know why he called me Tim, that's not my name.

                    "Tim," he asks, "what's the secret of comedy?"

                    So, I shot him.

                    [–]kamikazee_fear 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Hahaha, motherfucker! I almost had em,' I almost had em'!

                    [–]swiper33 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                    I can't tell if this comment is a joke or not

                    [–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    A little of both.

                    It is "normal" in the fact that people get shot during arguments all the time. But the word choice was designed to evoke an image of people killing each other in a friendly manner.

                    Just a little bit of levity.

                    [–]FusionLand 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Well this is the type of incident that people pushing gun control legislation would get behind though. guy with access to a gun, has to much to drink, loses his cool, and things escalate, and he has a gun...

                    With no firearm it may have been just a fist fight, or maybe a knife or two. Not as efficient as a gun though.

                    I'm not saying I'm an advocate for more gun control, or that I am.. Just seems like the type of incident that would fit the rhetoric well.

                    [–]kinyutaka 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    And yet, they only salivate at the idea of a school shooting.

                    [–]turtleneck360 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Without a gun, he'd just pull out that hammer he carries around and same result. Or he would just go home and build a bomb. Or he's hit up a black market gun dealer in his Rolodex and buy an illegal gun. Dontcha know?!?

                    [–]Vayate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    In Arizona, it's illegal to carry a firearm while consuming alcohol, regardless of whether that person has a permit.

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                      [–]GopherYacht [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      What the fuck?

                      [–]frontseatdog [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      So, I'm guessing more of a normal shooting among friends

                      West Virginia represent.

                      [–]SleptLate78 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      It's not murder if everyone consents. Nothing wrong with a little shooting among friends.

                      Jk. I know what you meant. I, too, am less disturbed by this than I am by some random opening fire with the intent to wipe out people because his social life sucked.

                      [–]fake_somebody [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      You know just like and everyday normal murder...

                      [–]Lampaanlapapalapata [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      "Normal shooting among friends" is the saddest, most hilarious and most American thing I've seen

                      [–]polioperativeAMA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Probably a drug deal gone bad.

                      [–]mee-rkat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      What's a casual normal shooting between friends, anyway?

                      [–]roscocoltrane [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      I guess it makes it ok then.

                      [–]aletoledo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      I think we'll know the difference depending on how Obama and the press react. They don't push gun control on the "normal" shootings.

                      [–]anuragsins1991 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      Come on, I get that the Denial about shootings is at an all time high in USA, but no shooting in School is Normal.

                      It was an altercation that got physical and an 18 year old student pulled out a gun.

                      18 year old pulls out a gun in school, what is Normal in this anywhere ?

                      [–]ApolloRocketOfLove [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      Either way if we had better mental healthcare this never would have happened. Right Reddit?

                      [–]_Feign 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Wtf kind of friends do you have?

                      [–]GozenGreg79 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (16子コメント)

                      Not sure if trolling ....

                      What's it say about a country, when something like this happens and people go "Oh, it was just a 'normal' shooting". Don't give me that "Yes all shootings are horrible, but ... " bullshit, you stop at 'horrible'; as soon as you try and rationalize it you've walked right over the boarder into self delusion.

                      [–]kinyutaka 7ポイント8ポイント  (12子コメント)

                      Not so much trolling as a quick joke.

                      There is a difference between two people getting into a drunken fight and a mass shooting.

                      This incident doesn't appear to be a glory-seeking wacko, or a racist who want to clense the world of blacks. It's a fight that got out of hand.

                      Is it still murder? Yes. But it isn't as bad as the shooting last week.

                      [–]reasonman 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      You and everyone else knows what he means. Yeah his phrasing is a little awkward and ham fisted but I think it's pretty clear he means this is just a random one off shooting and not a guy looking to clear last weeks body count.

                      [–]GozenGreg79 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I know what he means. And I'm saying that making the distinction in this context is a form self delusion specifically crafted to protect a particular ideological system from being examined more closely.

                      "Nothing to see here, just your run-of-the-mill dude got shot and killed for pissing off another dude"

                      [–]Unic0rnBac0n [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      "normal shooting"

                      Your country is fucked.

                      [–]YourPassportNumber -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      One person killed and four wounded, I wish I had that many friends :(

                      [–]kinyutaka 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Aw, sorry guy.

                      I'll be your friend. get my gun

                      [–]TaepodongToiletNuker 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Jesus. Is there no such thing as too soon on the Internet?

                      [–]mersh547 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Is there no such thing as too soon on the Internet?

                      You must be new around here....

                      [–]TaepodongToiletNuker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Having just woken up, learned of the shooting, and read the comments below, in my mind it's almost as if the shooting and the commentary happened within minutes even though they did not so my reaction was a huge WTF when I read the comment.

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