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[–]leftylogan 2276ポイント2277ポイント  (500子コメント)

NAU student here. Happened at the fraternity and sorority dorm on campus. Shooter is in custody. Not much else is known aside from a few plausible rumors going around

Edit: Isolated incident. 1 dead. 3 or 4 wounded. Delta chi fraternity. Press conference at 6 AM. No word on campus closures or class cancellings.

Edit2: Classes will go on as scheduled. It was an altercation that got physical and an 18 year old student pulled out a gun.

[–]BackwardsMarathon 1197ポイント1198ポイント  (90子コメント)

I have a cousin at NAU and just woke from a call from my mother that he is one of the injured.

Scary as shit that I almost lost another cousin.

Still sucks that someone died

EDIT: got an update from my mother and my cousin is in stable condition and is talking.

Thanks everyone for the kind messages

[–]BeyonceIsBetter 228ポイント229ポイント  (36子コメント)

Hope your cousin has a good recovery and your family is good.

[–]LIGHTSpoxleitner 28ポイント29ポイント  (34子コメント)

Glad to head he's doing well too, scary shit everytime we have to read that a fellow redittor knows one of the victims. Makes it all slightly more real.

PS: its 2015 and we're still living backwards, one part of the world is in the stone age (ISIS), public crucifixion, outdated laws, etc. and on this side of the world we're killing each other from within using guns, whether it's a school shooting, police-related events or outright murder.

[–]Flying_Burrito_Bro [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Worth remembering that violent crime in the US is near all-time lows, even with the recent uptick in gun-related crime/ homicides.

[–]TuckinPhypo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There is no recent uptick. Unless by recent you mean the past week has had a few more than the week before. Statistically irrelevant, and the first part of your post is illustrative of that.

[–]Tylerturden2 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I know shit like this kind of kills your hope in the world, but apparently we are doing better than humanity ever has (a common TIL on Reddit). And hey, if things get to bad we'll be able to go to Mars soon. Just remember that when really good becomes the norm, the really bad stuff seems to hurt a little worse.- paraphrasing Butters

[–]Delsana [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We kill each other with things other than guns pretty commonly too, you just don't hear it publicized as much.

[–]YeahBrickKilledAGuy 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope he comes out alright. No one deserves that.

PS: BTBAM kicks ass.

[–]WutUtalkingBoutWill 39ポイント40ポイント  (20子コメント)

Hope you don't mind me asking, how did you lose your other cousin? Similar circumstances?

[–]BackwardsMarathon 134ポイント135ポイント  (11子コメント)

My cousin killed himself early last year. My family is pretty damn close too, and to lose another would just hurt like hell.

[–]WutUtalkingBoutWill 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry to hear that, had a childhood friend kill himself last year too, we weren't that close anymore, but after talking with his mam at the funeral and her telling me that he always wanted to catch up with all his old friends hurt pretty bad too. Can't imagine what it's like to lose someone very close, hopefully won't have to for a long time.

[–]crazydave33 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

My God.... So sorry to hear that. My condolences to you and your family. Even though I don't know you I can't even imagine the mental pain you guys are suffering right now. I hope you guys will be able to recover from this in time.

[–]NetFlix_AllDay [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I am over here in the Albany NY area. It isn't much but my heart goes out to you.

[–]Wckdwgn 107ポイント108ポイント  (43子コメント)

Do you know what sorority?

[–]Fallen_Glory 205ポイント206ポイント  (37子コメント)

Word is it was a frat and it was Delta Chi

EDIT: This is unofficially confirmed now, pretty much everyone has acknowledged it was in fact Delta Chi

[–]Wckdwgn 34ポイント35ポイント  (28子コメント)

Thank you for the information

[–]Fallen_Glory 65ポイント66ポイント  (27子コメント)

Yup no problem, I'll keep updating my main comment as information keeps getting out. I'm just shocked. Our campus is great, it's beautiful and the people are outstanding something like this shouldn't happen, ever. It's weird being the one to say that after seeing others do it in the past.

[–]Wckdwgn 39ポイント40ポイント  (24子コメント)

It never makes sense :/

Latest rumor is the shots were due to a fight at the frat. I'm hearing lots of stories though

[–]Fallen_Glory 38ポイント39ポイント  (23子コメント)

That's what I thought originally. I doubt this was a planned shooting, I'm assuming it was a fight that broke out and ended in a shooting. No one is letting information slip and most students are asleep so I'm having trouble finding anything out.

[–]Wckdwgn 16ポイント17ポイント  (18子コメント)

It wouldn't make too much sense to plan a shooting this time of night or over there, but what do I know lol. I have a buddy who lives there. He said he can't really talk right now but he'll update as he can and I'll relay it here if it's new news

[–]Fallen_Glory 16ポイント17ポイント  (11子コメント)

To access the halls you need a card matched up to that hall. So if I live in Gabaldon I need Gabaldon on my card. It'll most likely have to be a frat member or a guest brought in. That's why I really think this wasn't preplanned. More people are waking up but no one really knows anything.

[–]Wckdwgn 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

Official report is saying it was in the parking lot outside of Mountain View

[–]crazydave33 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Back in 2013 on the campus of UCF, there was a shooter who though it would be a fantastic idea to pull the fire alarm and shoot everyone as they were walking outside one of the dorm buildings at 12am on a Sunday (technically Monday morning). Thank God the nutjob shot himself before anyone actually got shot and killed.

[–]CaptchaAway 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nobody, even those mentally ill enough to committ heinous acts of violence, would think starting in the early AM hours when barely anyone is there (relatively, of course) in the first place is a 'good' idea. I guarantee you there will have been alcohol involved. Maybe arguing over a girl or some dumb shit, and one of them decided that a gun was the solution to their problems. I don't for a second believe this was planned for more than a few seconds before the shooter pulled the trigger.

[–]concretengrace 45ポイント46ポイント  (9子コメント)

My sister is a student at NAU. She said they weren't even notified of an active shooter until 2 hours later.

[–]leftylogan 47ポイント48ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yep we didn't receive an official alert until 2 hours later. Most of us found out through Yik Yak

[–]nellis_island [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

That's shitty on the university. Yik Yak should NOT be the first place to find out

[–]mrb11n [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I went to FSU and we had a shooting in the library my senior year. I found out via Yik Yak and Facebook.

[–]edvek [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Wasn't that shooting also late at night, not an excuse but most people would be asleep and wouldn't hear of it till morning anyway.

Someone at FAU threatened to shoot up the "Breeze Way" (a long, main connecting walkway for buildings. He said so on Yik Yak and was later found out. He wasn't going to do anything because he had no weapons, he's lucky he wasn't charged and only expelled.

[–]mrb11n [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It was probably around midnight. Most college kids would still be up though.

[–]punkdoctor1000 41ポイント42ポイント  (14子コメント)

Another student here. Just checked Facebook and was like wait what? Shooter?? Then scrolled through and it said they were in custody. I'm off campus bough thankfully. Press conference is at 6 am

[–]matta997 44ポイント45ポイント  (1子コメント)

Student here. The alert text system is so fucked. NAU says they sent their first alert at 0130, got mine time stamped for 0252. Turns out they don't wake you when shit happens, so I was woken up by my east coast family getting it on the 8:00 news.

[–]kinyutaka 276ポイント277ポイント  (275子コメント)

So, I'm guessing more of a normal shooting among friends, and not a crazed lunatic that thinks he's sending a message.

[–]Fallen_Glory 516ポイント517ポイント  (202子コメント)

normal shooting among friends

What is your definition of normal?

[–]kinyutaka 179ポイント180ポイント  (19子コメント)

If I were you, I'd be questioning my definition of "friends".

But seriously, I mean that this isn't a crazy person with a manifesto, killing people because he got one too many wedgies.

[–]boyuber 41ポイント42ポイント  (4子コメント)

Most murders involve lovers, friends or acquaintances. Very few killings are perpetrated by persons completely unknown to the victim.

[–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

In all honesty, that is probably what makes the true school shootings so terrible to people.

Shooters in that situation are more or less acting randomly. It isn't the same as a domestic violence (where the people know each other intimately), or a bar fight (where people tend to be familiar), or even a robbery (where the goal isn't to kill anyone).

They simply mean to kill anyone they can.

[–]intronink 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

One that happens because of drugs, money, or girls

[–]ten24 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most killers kill people because they know them and dislike them.... Not random people they've never met.

[–]FunnOnABunn 100ポイント101ポイント  (135子コメント)

America - where we're in so much denial about gun violence that we have "normal shootings"

[–]Toucanzhigher 34ポイント35ポイント  (96子コメント)

How about normal murder? There is no denial people will kill each other. Step down from your place on high and recognize reality.

EDIT: since everyone has no perspective on reality in the US check out /r/DGU

[–]DismySRDaccountlol 9ポイント10ポイント  (13子コメント)

If guns weren't exponentially more efficient at wrecking someone's shit, and thus inherently more dangerous when an asshole gets a hold of one, then why do people even care about gun control? You don't see anybody throwing as much of a fit about restricted knives, do you?

[–]PhD_In_My_Inbox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My guess is a shooting that doesn't involve a "happening thread" on 4chan

[–]Rayneworks 93ポイント94ポイント  (5子コメント)

Normal shooting among friends

Holy shit this describes like 80% of Trailer Park Boys.

[–]GreenMansions 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh god, when Trinity shot Ricky, and Ricky is writhing in pain and trying to make Trinity feel better at the same time. One of the funniest things I've ever seen.

[–]nmezib 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

The term you're looking for is, "not premeditated."

"Normal shooting among friends" sounds like he "only shoots socially"

[–]Golanthanatos 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

Drug deal gone bad.

[–]kinyutaka 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes sense, considering the time.

[–]MaximilianKohler 105ポイント106ポイント  (10子コメント)

normal shooting among friends

oh boy

[–]pepperouchau 118ポイント119ポイント  (0子コメント)

That poster worded it poorly, but there really is a significant difference between a dispute between a few people turning violent and a spree shooting (though they're both obviously terrible).

[–]DismySRDaccountlol 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

more of a normal shooting among friends.

fucking lol, god why is that so fucking funny? "Hey Ted, wanna hang out with the boys after work? we're gonna be shooting some pool, and each other if you want in"

[–]FusionLand 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well this is the type of incident that people pushing gun control legislation would get behind though. guy with access to a gun, has to much to drink, loses his cool, and things escalate, and he has a gun...

With no firearm it may have been just a fist fight, or maybe a knife or two. Not as efficient as a gun though.

I'm not saying I'm an advocate for more gun control, or that I am.. Just seems like the type of incident that would fit the rhetoric well.

[–]frontseatdog [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So, I'm guessing more of a normal shooting among friends

West Virginia represent.

[–]SleptLate78 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not murder if everyone consents. Nothing wrong with a little shooting among friends.

Jk. I know what you meant. I, too, am less disturbed by this than I am by some random opening fire with the intent to wipe out people because his social life sucked.

[–]fake_somebody [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You know just like and everyday normal murder...

[–]Lampaanlapapalapata [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Normal shooting among friends" is the saddest, most hilarious and most American thing I've seen

[–]Andoo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was a delta chi. Makes me wonder how big they are there. Can't help but wonder what caused this.

[–]ratbastid 79ポイント80ポイント  (8子コメント)

Isolated incident.

That's a relief. Good thing this isn't a fucking pattern in this country or anything.

[–]mrcouchpotato [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

the idea that an 18 year old college student feels like he needs a gun in flagstaff of all places is wrong, and I hope that dick goes to jail for a long time. how stupid can you be.

[–]yahthatgirl 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What kinds of plausible rumors? NAU is my alma mater and I live out of the country from, disconnected from US news except on the internet.

[–]Fallen_Glory 650ポイント651ポイント  (223子コメント)

Press Conference is going on here It's weird watching these people and recognizing a few of them. This whole thing is weird. They're talking about how quiet and tight knit the campus is, they're not wrong. I'd also like to stress that this is NOT a predetermined shooting.

  1. Classes will continue today.
  2. Support services are available for students/faculty.
  3. Shooter was a student. All victims are students. Altercation escalated to a shooting.
  4. A lot of unknowns at the moment.
  5. Crime Scene will be processed once the sun is up and they can get a good view of it all (soon)
  6. Four alerts sent out, only ONE got through to us.
  7. Deceased student is a freshman, my class
  8. All victims are male.

Also, our campus is a safe one. This semester I've walked back from south campus to my dorm which is around a mile at 2-6am plenty of times, I've never felt unsafe. I have never felt like I would be attacked or anything like that. The people I see walking around or sitting around at those hours always greet me as I walk by and chat me up. This is an isolated incident, this is not a reflection of the safety of our campus, it is the polar opposite. I will still feel safe after this, if not even more safe because I know my family will be looking out for me and I will be looking out for them. Jacks up, NAU strong.


Guess I chose the right weekend to come back home. I'm being told it affected the Delta Chi fraternity.

This shooting is coming on the heels of a rape on campus. Not a good week for us. The shooter is also not active, shooter is in custody. NAU also fucked up and didn't send out the alerts as it was happening, people found out through Yik Yak before NAU sent out official alerts.

Confirmed 4 victims, 1 death, 3 wounded

Editing with new information as it comes
Just to show how late the alerts were, I had a friend tweet about a ton of sirens around 2 and the alerts went out at 250. Campus is not on lockdown, classes are currently not cancelled for tomorrow though I can't imagine a lot of people going.

Rumors are that it was a fight that ended in a shooting and not a pre-planned shooting. I'd bet on this as well since it was so late at night. Pretty much confirmed that this affected Delta Chi now. Nothing is getting out right now, not even students are being informed of any details. Rumors are now going on that it was in the parking lot of MV Hall so I'm leaning even closer to being an alcohol induced situation.

Here is the alert I received 1 1/2 hours AFTER the shooting apparently went down

Someone on Yik Yak said there was a fight in the parking lot and the shots were a result of said fight, again, nothing confirmed but highly plausible.

The one deceased student has had his name posted somewhere, I won't say where or what his name is in case a family member were to read it here first but it's slowly leaking.

[–]matta997 39ポイント40ポイント  (3子コメント)

NAU has commented on Facebook that they sent the alert at 0130. I also received mine at 0252. Looks like they'll be finding a new alert provider.

[–]cordell507 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

My campus of almost 60,000 alerts get to everyone in about 2-3 minutes

[–]matta997 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The public information officer stated in the press conference that four alert SMS's went out. I personally have received one, approximately 92 minutes after the first shots fired call to 911.

[–]MrDirt 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair Mountain View is about as far away from campus you can be while still being "on campus".

[–]Fallen_Glory 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it's very isolated.

[–]HuggLife 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

About the alert ... Apparently, administrators/staff at MIT were criticized for sending out an active shooter alert a few weeks ago when there was a shooting near the school. (On the street, as opposed to on the campus.) I would personally err on the side of sending the alerts earlier, rather than waiting for some bureaucratic cautionary process to play out. Of course, if an alert was sent out every time there was a shooting near an urban campus people would probably never get to class - but it seems crazy that even now schools don't have clear guidelines for dealing with these incidents.

[–]gakbds 127ポイント128ポイント  (125子コメント)

Let's hope the media doesn't try to warp it into a premeditated shooting, if it is true that it was not.

[–]Fallen_Glory 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

I wish I set my herd already on yik yak, apparently there was an altercation in the parking lot and someone shot off about 6 rounds. Pretty much confirmed to be an altercation I think.

[–]DDBB4LYF 69ポイント70ポイント  (111子コメント)

How does it being a shooting after an argument make it any better?

When I was in college and we had to ask someone to leave the house, they would often get belligerent and try to fight people. I was always glad none of them had a gun.

[–]kinyutaka 249ポイント250ポイント  (66子コメント)

Because there is a difference between a heated argument that turns sour and a guy who thinks he's the Joker shooting up a movie theater.

[–]DDBB4LYF 121ポイント122ポイント  (53子コメント)

Yeah, this is the kind of shooting that happens every day. This the kind of thing people usually mean when talking about gun violence.

[–]SaigaExpress 44ポイント45ポイント  (50子コメント)

It is and it isn't though. People talk about gun violence as if mass shootings are the problem when it's this sort of thing that makes up %99 of the 10,000 people killed every year.

[–]armarui 38ポイント39ポイント  (8子コメント)

We can't consider them facets of the same problem? None of them would be nearly as likely without the proliferation of guns.

[–]CactiChill 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, people here are kinda brushing this accident off. But this would be MASSIVE if it happened in my country... It's not easy for an non- deep into crime Student to get a damn gun in my country.

[–]Marsellus_Wallace12 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This still doesn't make up the majority of gun related death. Suicide is the biggest cause of gun related deaths.

[–]wee_man [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You're right, I would much rather get shot and killed in a heated argument than shot and killed in a mass shooting.

[–]BackRoadMotorcycles [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Calm down guys, it's just normal American gun violence. It's not the abnormal American gun violence we're currently afraid of.

Nothing to see here, move along. Just a college student who killed someone and wounded three others in anger.


We live in strange times.

[–]PassionVoid 43ポイント44ポイント  (13子コメント)

How does it being a shooting after an argument make it any better?

Because a contained shooting in an altercation is clearly better than a madman killing indiscriminately until he's brought down. How is this not obvious?

[–]DDBB4LYF 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Contained shootings happen so many times a day. They are the real problem with American society.

And really, for I'm sure the people involved aren't really comforted by the fact that it was "Contained"

This is most likely one of those assholes who gets all ballsy when he's asked to leave a party going too far. It's just as senseless as shooting a random guy on the street.

[–]PassionVoid 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's just as senseless as shooting a random guy on the street.

But it's not quite as senseless as shooting 30 random guys on the street while you're strapped to the teeth and covered in body armor.

[–]gakbds 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Media spreading fear because of a premeditated shooting glorifies the shooter. There is concern that the increased number of shootings like recent ones is because people want glory.

[–]USSS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two university of Utah football players were shot last month for doing exactly that. Some assholes wouldn't leave a party and shot them when they asked them to leave.

[–]WhyWouldHeLie 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

When gun shootings are this common, it becomes necessary to categorize them

[–]0therworldly 15ポイント16ポイント  (16子コメント)

Rumors are that it was a fight that ended in a shooting and not a pre-planned shooting.

We have a gun culture. In another country, that fight may have been settled with fists or a knife. Less likely that someone ends up dead. People make the gun debate sound so simple on both sides. It's hard to change a country's culture. It will take generations for owning a gun to stop seeming "cool" or justified to so many people. I've been at a not-shady-at-all college party (also in Arizona actually) where a drunk guy got mad/macho and decided to jump on a table next to where everyone was dancing and pull out a gun. In another country, again, it's a knife or just simple chest-beating come-at-me-bro type stuff and no one feels the need to duck/scream. Being strapped is glorified by Hollywood, musicians, TV, and, obviously, NRA supporters. No matter what your opinion is on gun control, I promise you that won't change for a very long time.

[–]harloss [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Jesus. People like you are really scary. I hope people don't actually buy that shit.

One fight escalates to a shooting and it's "gun culture"? How much do you actually know about this fight? In fact, do you know it was not self defense? What if this guy was being attacked by the people he shot?

How many other fights can you point to which escalated to a shooting? What about a stabbing?

Seems like, while you're ridiculing people for basing their beliefs and ideologies off of Hollywood, you're basing your beliefs off of... Assumptions? The media, perhaps?

If you actually did any research, you'd see that what we have is a violent culture - more specifically, a poverty-stricken violent culture. It's not just that our gun-related crime rates are higher than European countries. So are our knife-related crime rates, and violent crime rates in general - murder, robbery, carjackings, et cetera. And a quick Google search will help you find that, in fact, low income is correlated with a much higher chance of being involved in a violent crime.

Gun culture from Hollywood? Right, because every middle-to-high class man is running around James Bond style shooting everyone. We have a gang culture. Most of the violent crimes are coming from poor neighborhoods where it's the way of life, and not because they saw it on TV.

Furthermore, I love it when people play the "in a different country" game... That game is fantastic for picking and choosing scenarios that support your viewpoint. Oh, what if this guy didn't have a gun, he only had his fists or a knife? In this specific scenario?

Well I have two answers for that question. One - you clearly have never seen victims of knife violence. It can be just as horrifying as gun violence. But fair enough - lets say that most guys can run away from him and only one gets hurt. Now choose a different scenario - a would-be school shooter who wants to hurt a lot of people, but can't get his hands on a gun. The kid is demented. You really think he's just gonna say "fuck it"? I'm not so sure about that. Maybe he bombs the school instead. You say below in one of your comments that we underestimate how much "ease" matters for crimes of passion. Well - despite the fact that you have zero evidence for this and I completely disagree (I think that a crime of passion will often take place whether its easy or not), lets say a bomb is too hard to make for the kid. Great, he'll make mustard gas. It's like, scarily easy.

P.S. for the people talking about knives vs. guns, you are the ones who watch too much Hollywood. Most gunfights happen under 20 feet. The 21 foot rule states that a man can charge you and stab you to death with a knife before you draw your gun and fire, at distances of less than 21 feet. You say you can physically fight back against a man trying to knife you? Good luck with that. Seriously. You've never been up against a 6" blade if you think that. The first hand you try and block the stab with is gonna get cut clean off. A gun will hit you from distance and you can't fight back? Look at the guy who charged the recent shooter. Shootings aren't like they are on Hollywood (which is ironic at this point). They're holes in your body, same as a knife. In fact, in many spots you'd probably much rather be shot than stabbed.

[–]enoughalready 188ポイント189ポイント  (5子コメント)

"Active shooter" was used for karma hype.

The news article stated that the shooter was in custody at least an hour and a half before this link was submitted. NAU tweeted the same thing.

[–]EPOSZ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Also, it was a disagreement that got physical. Not a premeditated spree.

[–]Calcd_Uncertainty 39ポイント40ポイント  (7子コメント)

From the article

NAU tweeted out there has been a "reported shooting at NAU Flagstaff campus. Shooter in custody. Mtn View Hall residents stay indoors. More details to follow."

The university posted the tweet around 2:30 a.m. Friday morning.
ABC News reports 1 dead and 4 wounded.

Initial Tweet
Suspect in custody

[–]holybatmanballs 405ポイント406ポイント  (115子コメント)

Is this a school shooting or a shooting at a school? I say the latter. It is not a random act of violence. It sounds like a argument gone wrong. That happens everyday in the inner city and no one gives a shit.

[–]HazMat68W 163ポイント164ポイント  (38子コメント)

shooting at a school

It appears it was the result of an altercation at a Frat house. Not pre-meditated.

[–]bearadox 135ポイント136ポイント  (34子コメント)

That happens everyday in the inner city and no one gives a shit.

This is the real problem with the debate. Everyone thinks that mass shootings are the issue to solve. They are not. They're just easier to politicize and emotionalize.

[–]stcamellia 51ポイント52ポイント  (20子コメント)

no one gives a shit

This is the real problem with the debate. Everyone thinks that people trapped in bad neighborhoods and generations of poverty, discrimination and hopelessness want another 200 years of this for their children.

[–]JohnMiltonJamesJoyce 19ポイント20ポイント  (17子コメント)

There's also the issue of the destroying of the black family, an institution that survived slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination, up until the sexual revolution, causing fatherless/single parent families to skyrocket among the black community.

[–]RoboChrist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It survived until the war on drugs, which lead to an extremely high rate of imprisonment for black men. It is a fact that marriage rates plummet when there are more women than men available for marriage. If eligible men are able to pick and choose among many women without social consequence, fewer men settle down with just one woman. The general trend I've read is that for every 1% decrease in the eligible male population, women experience a 2% decrease in marriage rates.

When a black male born in 1991 has a 69% chance of spending time in prison during his life, it's not even slightly surprising that the black marriage rate is substantially lower than it used to be. Demographics create cultural shifts, blaming culture is just an easy out.

If you don't believe me, you can see the effect happen in real life by comparing statistics on the number of partners, average relationship length, and so on between universities within the United States. Even with similar racial and economic backgrounds, colleges that have fewer women than men also have fewer STDs and longer-lasting relationships. Colleges that have fewer men have a lot more promiscuous behavior. Even if you're too lazy to pull up the stats, just consider the reputations of engineering schools with liberal arts schools.

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males

web.stanford.edu/~ranabr/marriage.pdf

economics.mit.edu/files/20

[–]JohnMiltonJamesJoyce [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Certainly a factor, but the process was started in 60's. Drug crime is absurdly more common amongst people who grew up without a father. If you remove those who grew up fatherless, racial stats normalize

[–]lostmau5 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Someone was shot and killed with an arrow up here in Canada and there was no active shooter threads.

[–]toucans_tunes 702ポイント703ポイント  (46子コメント)

How about NOT using acronyms in a title like this. Could stand for so many places ffs

[–]SoupyWolfy 36ポイント37ポイント  (5子コメント)

I was thinking "National American University" thanks to that fucking stupid song which will never leave my head

[–]messy_eater 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

My favorite school name is University of Maryland University College. It's like, relax guys.

[–]SoupyWolfy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, who came up with that name? The department of redundancy department?

[–]TheMisterFlux 197ポイント198ポイント  (30子コメント)

And not one person in the comments I've already scrolled through has used the name either. I'm guessing Nebraska?

Edit: NOPE. Northern Arizona. Point made.

[–]argath2014 164ポイント165ポイント  (11子コメント)

All you have to do is click the link...

[–]NeverBeenStung 78ポイント79ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is a serious situation. We don't have time to click links!

[–]exit65 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

yea but we want to be able to give our opinions about that happened without reading about what happened.

[–]TheSourTruth 41ポイント42ポイント  (12子コメント)

I ficking hate the use of acronyms unless basically eveeyone knows what it is.

[–]DickWrinkles 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope those porno girls are alright.

[–]Big_Rob_T 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

This uploaded at 253am with suspect in custody. How is that an active shooter?

[–]lightninhopkins 477ポイント478ポイント  (37子コメント)

Not an "Active shooter"( that term is such garbage). A shooting with a suspect in custody.

[–]Fairhope 67ポイント68ポイント  (11子コメント)

That's cause it was done by the time you got here.

[–]Sethery11 285ポイント286ポイント  (7子コメント)

It was done by the time this was posted. Clickbait title.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_PATRONUS 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah this was the first mention of it on r/news so of course it gets all the karma. There were a few other within 10-20 mins after with better tittles.

[–]0fficerNasty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

10 Things You Never Knew About School Shootings!

[–]Alt-001 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I am probably going to get downvoted for this, since it does sound a bit heartless, but I am so relieved that it turned out to be "person shot in altercation" as opposed to "active shooter on campus". Still sad, but at least not another national tragedy.

[–]PigNamedBenis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Misleading title. Shooter is not active, he's in custody. Stop the sensationalism.

[–]Fig_Newton_ [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

It wasn't a school shooting, it was a fight in which someone drew a gun.

[–]brittybobitty 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

http://flagscanner.com/recordings/15-1009%20shooting%20PD.mp3

Recording of the police scanner during the shooting. The suspect was not injured and the weapon used was a Glock 40. It's obvious that this was an isolated incident on campus (and near it considering the Franklin and Verde location mentioned in the scan), rather than a premeditated mass shooting. An unfortunate series of events here tonight.

Kudos to FLAGscanner for getting information out. And NAU shame on you for the alert system not working when it should have. Me getting a text to stay indoors an hour after the fact doesn't help anyone.

EDIT: A word.

[–]jr_G-man 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was going to comment about starting a countdown until CNN mocks everyone and releases the name of the shooter...but it's looking like this was just a frat fight in a parking lot. They'll probably try to skew it anyway.

Frats provide only problems

[–]Therilan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just woke up to my mom calling me to see if I'm okay and some friends texting me as well. Apparently my roommate could hear the gunshots loud as hell when it happened and I just slept through it.

It's scary to think that I wasn't really phased by last week's shooting but this one has me shaken because it literally hit close to home.

Also the fraternity involved was one of the ones I was going to rush for but didn't make it. So who knows if it could've been me.

[–]sarcastroll [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Too bad those other students weren't heavily armed.

What we need is a society where everyone has a gun, at all times, loaded, safety off, ready to quick-draw and blast away in the couple seconds you have to react when you think you hear gunfire.

[–]Xatencio00 14ポイント15ポイント  (10子コメント)

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Why does the media treat a shooting at a school ANY different from your "routine" shooting in a big city? They are fundamentally the same thing.

18 people have been killed - whether through an intentional shooting, argument, suicide, or accident - at schools all over the country this year. Over 350 people have been shot and killed this year in Chicago alone.

IN CHICAGO ALONE!

[–]1usernamelater 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sensational stuff probably, you publicize every incident at a school and people cry to have their guns taken away...

[–]hornsohn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I personally think there is a difference between violence between criminals/gangs, and violence that hits law abiding citizens.

I can understand that people care more about their children getting shot than some random criminal gang member.

Cant speak from own experience though since its not such a problem in my country.

[–]oiloverall 132ポイント133ポイント  (77子コメント)

Holy shit reddit is just like a big news corporation. It wasn't a school shooting like you think it was. It was a non premeditated shooting as the result of an altercation at a fraternity.

[–]pepito420 94ポイント95ポイント  (19子コメント)

lol you are coming in 2 hours after the fact looking down on people for not knowing everything just cause you have hindsight.

[–]comrade-jim 16ポイント17ポイント  (16子コメント)

Well maybe the point is that you shouldn't over react until you know all the details. This thread was posted three hours ago and the shooting happened eight hours ago. They've known since before this thread was posted that this was an isolated incident. Reddit has just turned to shit. Idiot liberal 14 year olds who are too young to remember a republican president before GWB and are too sensitive and believe everything the media and government and corporations tell them.

Meanwhile there is no background check required to buy alcohol and drunk driving kills more people than gun crime.

The only reason I haven't left this shithole is because there is no better shithole.

[–]NoFunInBand [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This reminds me of when I was at Purdue and there was a shooting on campus there. It happened in a building my then-girlfriend may have been in, emergency sirens are going off, no one knows what is going on, I'm trying to text everyone, and then Reddit tells me "Relax, it's not a real school shooting".

[–]Password123454 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

Doesn't change the fact that a) there was a shooting and b) it was at NAU.

Holy shit, just last week people were complaining about how we shouldn't care or report on what the "reason" is as that will just encourage more. What does it matter if it's about drugs or about being a loser? It's still a shooting on a college campus and a students are still dead and injured because of it.

[–]trippinholyman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I thought it was more about reporting the name of the suspect then the fact it happened.

[–]Youngwhippersnapper6 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

It certainly doesn't seem like a attempted mass shooting like the news makes it seem. It happened at 1:30 in the morning, makes me think it was a argument gone wrong. I guess we'll find out soon.

[–]CuriousBlueAbra 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

There seems to be a lot of people in this thread clamouring for the government to do something about this. Do you guys not remember that was the exact same sentiment that lead to the TSA and PATRIOT act and all that bullshit? The idea that even irrational token gestures are appropriate responses to tragedy has caused far more problems than it's ever solved.

To paraphrase Chris Hadfield "There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse". Violence is down across the board, and has been decreasing for decades. Changing things may in fact cause this peaceful trend to reverse. Logically, the best course of action is do nothing however that may grate at our desire to get angry at things.

Oh, and the trend I mentioned toward peace? 2015 is the exception. We are much more violent than previous years, and in some areas violence has reached a level not seen since the 1980s. Same gun laws, same people, basically same economic situation, but massively more violence. As far as I'm aware no one knows why, but the point is tinkering with laws when we don't even understand what's happening is foolish.

[–]GodDammitILoveIt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can we get a tag on this that shows it's not an active shooter and that it was just an argument that ended up with a gun being pulled.

[–]Reck_yo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

We really need to separate these "campus shootings". We have violence like Umpqua and isolated violence here. They aren't the same thing.

[–]hdhale [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And deprive the gun banners and the "I don't understand America but I'm going to rant anyway" types from a moment to shit up a tread? Don't be silly.

[–]Cavemahn [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is NOT a school shooting. This is young MEN fighting and someone ending the fight with a gun. It wasn't aimed at getting attention it was to end a fight.

[–]GodDammitILoveIt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Already tried. People want it to be a shooting too badly they are ignoring facts

[–]Crewsader66 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This was not an active shooter situation. From all reports, this shooting occurred during an altercation. I hope the survivors heal and this idiot gets what's coming.

[–]Whit3W0lf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A shooting happens at 1:20am.

OP posts roughly 6 hours later calling it an active situation.

It was a shooting. People have family that are in Arizona and calling it an active situation hours later is not really cool. If this happened outside of a bar, would it be called an active shooter situation hours later?

I feel like the term "active shooter" is becoming the new "assault weapon" for media and alike.

[–]Logan_Mac [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And the sun is bright today, what's new

[–]god_uses_a_mac 43ポイント44ポイント  (32子コメント)

With a title like that, this shit is going straight to the front page, and is going to have a comment section full of vitriolic ranting and shouting about how bad America is.

Meanwhile, the "active shooter" was the result of a fight between some frat guys, but no one is going to read the article, so it's not like anyone is going to actually talk about that.

EDIT: It only makes it "better" because this was a spontaneous act of violence, rather than a premeditated execution-style killing spree. Any murder is a tragedy for the victims and their loved ones, but this isn't national news.

[–]seshfan 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

Meanwhile, the "active shooter" was the result of a fight between some frat guys

Does that somehow make it not a tragedy?

[–]crabmanpete 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

why does that make it better??

inb4 if the other guy had a gun too nobody would have been injured

[–]PizzaPieMamaMia 19ポイント20ポイント  (10子コメント)

Thank God this gun was used on 4 people because he got into a dispute rather than because he just wanted to kill for fun. Phew.

[–]Penultimatemoment [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Violent crimes are in decline.

Gun violence is in decline.

Next year we will see less violence than this year.

Things are getting better although you wouldn't think it with the press coverage.

[–]wkoalmc2011 26ポイント27ポイント  (21子コメント)

TIL Clickbait links and people not reading leads to instant debate about Gun Control.

[–]Warbuck1 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

Cnn had NAU's spokesperson calling in this morning. Within a minute they were asking her what the shooters name was, or if he was a student, etc etc... They just don't give a fuck

[–]art36 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They want the name so they can have people dig through that person's online history so they can be the first to report on some sketchy stuff the person might've wrote as a sort of "smoking gun"

[–]FarkinDaffy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a domestic situation. Not worthy of national news like it is.

Not a mass shooting.. <sigh>

[–]afallucco [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It was not a mass shooting, read the article it happened early morning. Either a fight broke out between idiots or a drug deal went sour. Let's not all overreact at once.

[–]altai779 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Stop shooting each other america.

[–]Oedipus_Flex 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I always open these hoping to God the shooter got captured without any casualties. I'm usually disappointed

[–]Sinister-Mephisto 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is all Marilyn Mansons fault, god damn you rock and roll.

[–]dogbunny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wonder if the shooter bought the guns from Ruff's Guns and Liquor. It's just a short walk from campus and if you want to drive they have a drive-thru. They also carry porno mags and turkey callers. This place

[–]Johnny_Pfosten [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Situations like this will happen again and again cause murica doesn't learn

[–]eatingluewithraiden [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

god bless to all involved, how many people getting shot will it take for the US to change their gun laws? the sad thing is, it doesn't even surprise me anymore

[–]jakeistheman24 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So many people cannot accept that the United States is a violent country and always has been. Its one of the reasons we are a country in the first place. However its pretty funny to see eurotrash judging anyone about anything. You don't have room to talk.

[–]Sympathy_for_the_FO [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

ITT: "Burn the Constitution, we need a full-on police state, so I'll feel safe."

[–]Nemacolin 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nothing on the usual sites to cite. At first sight.

[–]Wootpatrol 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm a student here as well, and I'm just so speechless right now. Who could do such a thing? Stay safe Jacks

[–]EnvidiaProductions 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think I'll stay out of the discussion this time.. It's quite obvious that the exact same things are going to be said. Also, this is different. It happened in a frat house in the middle of the night and was just caused by an altercation. The same thing that happens everyday in the US.

[–]JZPotter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

ITT Dipshits thinking they know what they're talking about-circlejerk