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[–]GoldandBlue 23ポイント24ポイント  (41子コメント)

And Black Conservatism never existed.

[–]rammingparu2 24ポイント25ポイント  (39子コメント)

Agreed. It's more like using minorities as puppets.

[–]MojaveMilkman'murica 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's the political equivalent of "look, I have a black friend, I'm not racist!"

[–]XxsquirrelxX 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Hey, it's me, Ben Carson. I don't like Muslims, but I'm black, so I'm not a racist!"

[–]SRScoSRSCO@AOL.COM 4ポイント5ポイント  (27子コメント)

Unbelievable how many upvotes you're getting.

How do you explain Ben Carson, Herman Cain, Allen West, Mia Love, Michael Steele, Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas?

You think they're just puppets? You don't think they're capable of espousing conservative ideology because they're actually attracted to it? Why do you take away their self-determination?

smfh, that shit is racist as hell. ಠ_ಠ

[–]CantaloupeCamper 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't speak for the guy you responded to, but I'll say that they're welcome to their political activities as much as anyone is.

Black conservative, or someone who identifies as such raises some natural contrasts and questions when you consider some american conservative goals such as voter ID laws that are intended to suppress minority voting. Let alone the regular complaints or critiques among republicans that blacks or minority votes are won with promises of "free stuff".

[–]VladiMatt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54

[–]rammingparu2 0ポイント1ポイント  (23子コメント)

It's not racist, I just don't get why any minority would subscribe to the conservatism linked with the Republican party. They are all just used as ways for white Republicans to say "Hey, i'm not racist because these people are minorities!"

It's fucking stupid. Fuck off.

Allen West, a BLACK conservative, says that the confederate flag debate is stupid! See, the confederate flag is not racist!!!

[–]arrow74 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

So their opinion is different and that makes them stupid?

I don't agree with them, but I respect their right to an opinion.

[–]Gauchokids 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean people have stupid opinions all the time. I don't understand why people think opinions are this magical device free from any criticism.

[–]rammingparu2 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Nope. The fact is that black conservatives are pushed by the Republican party as "token" minorities. White conservatives love seeing minorities act like "one of them". The same shit also applies to Indians like Bobby Jindal. Can there be black conservatives at the regular civilian level? Sure, why the fuck not? Don't pretend that the black (or other minority) conservatives/Repulicans at the top of the game aren't being used as ways to make the party look more inclusive.

Love how you're trying to make it look like i'm calling the black conservatives themselves stupid.

[–]arrow74 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

act like "one of them"

That phrase is also racist. One it's saying that a black person can't act a certain way because if they do then you will see them as faking it. Which means you think there is a specific way black people should act. Two you've also decided there is a certain way of acting that is "white".

No one has to pretend this isn't /r/conspiracy.

Also I'm not making it sound that way. That's exactly how it read. Now what you meant is different. Which I now know, but there are clearly other problems than just that.

[–]rammingparu2 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

White Conservatives love minorities who believe in the same bullshit that they do. Little anecdote here, I used to be a pretty hardcore atheist conservative, I was asked to join Young Conservatives by some classmates who were turned off when I let them know my religious views. I am of Pakistani descent. White Conservatives are seen as close minded, religious, exclusive, and most of all, racist. The "one of them" sentiment is true, because a minority who believes in the same shit that they believe in is their way of ridding themselves of the most toxic label (racist)

[–]arrow74 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

So let me understand you here. If a white conservative and a black conservative like each other it has nothing to do with the fact that they are conservative, but the fact that the one guy is black?

You also seem to think that all conservatives are the same. That's not true. All liberals aren't the same. Nobody in any political leaning is the same. They all have differences, but support similar causes. What's wrong with a black person saying "Hey I want a flat tax and small government". Apparently in your eyes that makes them a puppet.

White Conservatives are seen as close minded, religious, exclusive, and most of all, racist.

Have ever paused to think you aren't giving them a fair shake? Conservative is a very broad term, and it doesn't necessary have to mean the most hardcore members of the GOP.

Also how would you feel if I said all "Pakistani people are seen as closed minded, religious, exclusive, and most of all,racist." I'd imagine you would think that is a terrible thing to say. That's because it is.

[–]rammingparu2 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

White conservatives are more likely to be racist towards minorities; seeing a "token minority" will make the white fella go "hey, he's one of the good ones" (that is also a pretty common sentiment amongst cons white folk). So it will be because he is conservative, AND because he is a minority.

Nah, that's not what I am saying. Why do you think the Republican party has such a varied roster this time around? They want to look inclusive to minorities. There is no coincidence, this is a formulated plan by the GOP heads. They want to shake off the white racist douchebag label. The average joe saying "I want a flat tax" is just an average joe. I am skeptical of the GOP's usage of minorities at the highest levels. I doubt that they want to change, because people like Ted Cruz who hold some serious power are not making me feel confident that the party really wants to change.

Also, about Pakistani people. Pakistanis, Indians, and other Asians all really value skin color, or fair skin color to be exact. Yes, lots of Pakistanis are racist. There are creams for skin fairness that are very popular in South Asia. Don't even get me started on the religious part.

[–]Nulono 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]Umedark 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are all just used as ways for white Republicans to say "Hey, i'm not racist because these people are minorities!"

I get what you are saying but be real, if it was 100% white guys in the Republican party you would be saying that they aren't inconclusive enough or that they are a "good old boys club" or some other bullshit.

Rob Halford, the front man for Judas Priest who also happens to be gay defended Chick-fil-a on the grounds of free speech. Do you think that he is only said that to get approval from the Republicans?

[–]SRScoSRSCO@AOL.COM 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Sorry that us progressives don't have a corner on all the black people. They own themselves, you know.

You're racist as hell bro.

[–]rammingparu2 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Nope.

[–]SRScoSRSCO@AOL.COM 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Nope? Black people don't own themselves? The democratic party does? Damn, you are so racist.

[–]rammingparu2 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

The Republican party's black politicians are there as symbols of inclusiveness and open mindedness towards minorities, that's pretty much it. The Nope was to the accusation of me being racist but i'm too lazy to quote on redditisfun.

You're fucking stupid as shit though. Are you really telling me that black politicians like Herman Cain or Allen West aren't used as puppets by the Republican party? If Ted Cruz or Donald Trump made such a statement about the Confederate flag, they'd get shit on by the media even more. Allen West saying such a thing doesn't make them look worse.

[–]SRScoSRSCO@AOL.COM 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Actually, black members of the GOP are there because they voluntarily associate with the GOP. They've joined it, they've politicked for it, and they've won their elections fair and square. They weren't "appointed" for marketing purposes bro. That's not how politics works. Black people are actually people, bro. They aren't "symbols" of inclusiveness. They're themselves. Some happen to be conservative.

The Nope was to the accusation of me being racist but i'm too lazy to quote on redditisfun.

But you're being racist, tho. Ur literally saying that black people are incapable of associating with something you disagree with without being puppets.

[–]GrammatikPoliti 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

tho though

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[–]rammingparu2 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Black people at the highest levels of the political game are there to give the aura of inclusiveness for the Republican party, which is of course seen as a White conservative centered party. White conservatives love seeing minorities act (as they put it) "like one of them".

Pretty interesting article

The conservative Republican party desperately needs minority support because they have had a "fuck you" attitude towards minorities for a long time. This is where minority candidates come in. I'm pretty sure that it isn't a coincidence that the republican lineup is full of minorities this time. There are always competent white men for politics, but now they are using competent minorities to look better.

[–]nosewings -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You think they're just puppets? You don't think they're capable of espousing conservative ideology because they're actually attracted to it?

Well, both can be true. Their opinions are certainly held sincerely. But it's also true that they're . . . useful to the GOP, precisely because of the GOP's (ongoing) history of pandering to racists and disenfranchising minorities.

[–]arrow74 -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

How is that statement not racist? Why can't there be black conservatives, and why can they only be puppets?

[–]rammingparu2 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Are you pretending that the black conservatives at the top of the political game aren't being pushed by the Republican party as their method of looking inclusive and accepting?

[–]arrow74 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes. People can have different opinions than me, and I know I'll never understand all their reasoning. So I can respect them while disagreeing. Which to me calling them a puppet is the exact opposite of that.

[–]rammingparu2 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're fucking naive if you think that. It's not as simple as "different opinions". A white, racist political party like the Republican party will use its minorities as figureheads of inclusiveness, nothing more.

[–]arrow74 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's now naive to respect the opinions of those you disagree with. That's what you're going with?

[–]SRScoSRSCO@AOL.COM -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Only liberals are allowed to do that.

[–]rammingparu2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep, Obama is on the same political level of Allen West.

Liberals/Democrats don't need a minority puppet due to their years of pandering to just one group (whites, in the case of conservatives), because they didn't do such a thing. Cons/Reps do.

[–]SRScoSRSCO@AOL.COM -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Quit calling black people "minority puppets."

[–]rammingparu2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Allen West is a puppet used by the Republican party. Obama is not. There's a difference. Obama in the Republican party would be him making controversial statements regarding race or religion and not getting as much flak for it, as Allen West did. Obama in the Democrat party is fucking PRESIDENT.

[–]Nulono 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're not a fucking hive mind.