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[–]johnyann 37ポイント38ポイント  (5子コメント)

I hope they do First Strike too!

Loved those novels as a kid. I actually read them before ever playing a Halo game because my parents wouldn't let me have a games console.

Looks like they're staying faithful to Nylund's work too. This could be really good.

[–]Faithless195 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hopfully it will also undo the bollocks that was Halo: Reach.

Also hope they do The Flood. As much as I loved the first game, I fucking loved the book following the Marines as well.

[–]EricMcM 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't understand why people hate that book so much. Sure it retells the events of the game, but it also greatly expands on what happens revealing some very interesting battles the Master Chief wasn't a part of.

[–]That_Guy_Link 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think people hate The Flood because of how much it retreads from the game, and the Master Chief segments to a point do feel a little out of character from what they know of him in FoR. Of course this was also very early into the franchise so who knew where we would be now.

That said I agree with you though. I personally love the Flood, though for the most part I will skim and skip the MC segments and instead focus on everything else because of the fact that it does a great job of expanding the story of the game. See the Covenant side for the first time with Zuka 'Zamamee and Yayap, got a more indepth look into the Marines and ODST's with Antonio Silva and Melissa McKay, and well as got a further look into what happened to Captain Keyes. Those Flood Keyes segments were brutal, glad they incorporated something about it in Halo: CEA.

There's a lot of good that came from the book, just too bad it was marred by the weaker MC segments.

[–]phsyco [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There's a lot of good that came from the book, just too bad it was marred by the weaker MC segments.

It didn't help that he tried to stay true to the game itself, so much so that it was almost like a literary walkthrough. Reading those chapters was like watching a guy play an FPS as opposed to actually being able to play the FPS.

[–]TehGroff [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I didn't like The Flood mostly because of the poor writing, especially in comparison to Nylund's. It was hard to get past some of it. This is subjective, of course.

[–]praisethemagicconch 198ポイント199ポイント  (24子コメント)

To the people getting mad that Master Chief's face is being shown, this isn't the first time it's been seen. The original Fall of Reach comics revealed his face years ago before Halo 4. Halo 4 also showed his face as a child and his eyes as an adult.

[–]Charlemagne_III 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also the face is the same as was depicted in those comics.

[–]NO_NOT_THE_WHIP [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No idea if it's considered canon but the Fall of Reach novel released before even Halo 2 described what MC looks like, and this trailer is 100% accurate to that description from what I remember.

[–]Blinkingsky [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fall of Reach was released before even Halo 1, actually. It was released on October 30th, 2001, while Halo 1 was released on November 15th, 2001. So yeah, if you ever want to make stupid statements that are technically true, you could call Halo a book series with a video game adaptation based solely on release dates.

[–]ReverseTheKirs 57ポイント58ポイント  (19子コメント)

The reason Bungie didn't show his face in the games was because they wanted fans to relate with MC. He was the faceless space cowboy. I think the games loses a lot of what made Halo what it is by giving the Chief a face in what is pretty much a Halo 5 advertisement.

[–]Riceatron 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the games loses a lot of what made Halo what it is by giving the Chief a face in what is pretty much a Halo 5 advertisement.

TFoR came out as a novel weeks before Halo 1 released. Just because Bungie tried to make sure Chief wasn't a character doesn't mean that he isn't one. Halo 5 will show him interacting with the only family he has left in the world, and I'll be damn happy with it. Talking, sarcastic Chief is the best Chief.

[–]wantsomebrownies [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Exactly! I never understood how playing as a character that may as well be a brick wall makes them more "relatable". I'm more relatable to a human being than a walking set of armor with a deep voice.

[–]Itsweird 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bungie allowed physical descriptions of him in books that came out alongside the original games. Master Chief has never been an empty vessel regardless of what some people who used to work at Bungie might say.

[–]BetterDrinkMy0wnPiss [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Master Chief has always been a character. There's more to the Halo universe than just the games. Since the first Halo game came out there have been books and comics that not only show his face but describe everything about him and his story.

To anybody who ever really got into Halo, he was never just a faceless space cowboy.

[–]the-nub [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I read up to Ghosts of Onyx and he was always my least favourite space cowboy. Kind of a downer.

[–]Halo_likes_me 22ポイント23ポイント  (8子コメント)

Same reason why Gordon Freeman will never talk in Half Life.

[–]Free_rePHIL 35ポイント36ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, Gordon Freeman never talked. Saying "...will never" kind of implies that there's actually another Half Life game. I'm of the mind that the Half Life series is over.

[–]Quinnett 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Way OT, but "ever" is a long time. The story of Half Life clearly wasn't finished. I think we'll see Gordon again someday.

Basically, what I'm saying is "HL3 confirmed."

[–]Highen 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just think of if we got a new half life five years ago, now think if we got half life this year or 5 years from now. which would you prefer?

[–]Free_rePHIL [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Neither? Yeah the story ends on a cliffhanger but if they're disinterested in writing the end of it then why should I be interested in playing it? It's been too long for a conclusion by this point. They'd have a lot to prove in order for me to get interested in the franchise and the company has drastically changed their focus.

[–]Highen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honestly a remake of the originals would be their best bet.

[–]cefriano [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Which has never made sense to me. If someone addressed me, I would respond, not just stare at them blankly. I have a harder time identifying with a character that is conspicuously silent than one who has lines. It'd be one thing if it's never acknowledged in the games, but people will say things like, "Strong silent type, huh?" when you don't respond to them. They didn't give you a blank character to inhabit, they gave you a mute guy. I honestly think that Doomguy accomplishes this better than Gordon.

[–]Charlemagne_III 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think they lose anything, the old games still give you that, and the new games do something new and actually make him a character.

[–]grimm22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It seems a big part of Halo 5 (and the better parts of Halo 4) were about Chief as a man. If we only see the suit all the time, then people just think of him as another faceless soldier.

When you give him a face, develop his personality, etc.. that's giving people a reason to care.

[–]ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We were master chief.

[–]FelixTheNomad -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. He was way cooler when he was just a badass faceless super soldier.

[–]Wrexis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It speaks volumes about where Halo is going in the future imo (without the Chief).

[–]LolFishFail 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To the people getting mad that Master Chief's face is being shown,

Who? Where?

[–]tlneondo 126ポイント127ポイント  (28子コメント)

That CG looks like its halfway between Telltale games and Star Wars CG cartoons.

I don't know, would've looked better if they did the story boards and offloaded the animation to some korean or japanese studio, like most western cartoons and Avatar did. Hey, they got Nihei to do Breaking Quarantee, where's my Mamoru Oshii-tier animated gunporn.

As long as they have that weird sexual tension between young Keys and Halsey, and actually follow the book, I can see it do good

[–]nosox 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

The human models look like shit, but once they put on the armor it looks alright.

[–]Kazzai 16ポイント17ポイント  (10子コメント)

"sexual tension between young Keys and Halsey"

What? I read the book not too long ago and I don't think this was actually a thing.

[–]Igor_the_Mad 48ポイント49ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well, Miranda Keyes is their daughter. Obviously there was some hanky panky going on.

[–]Kazzai 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wow I actually never knew Halsey was her mother.

[–]Igor_the_Mad 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

They address it in one or two of the books, if I remember correctly.

[–]Kazzai 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah I'm only finishing first strike now.

[–]Igor_the_Mad 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

You'll absolutely love Ghosts of Onyx.

[–]redisforever 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dunno, I liked the first 3, but not that one. Maybe I'll reread it, it's been a while.

[–]Scav3nger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's mentioned in Halsey's journal from the Halo: Reach limited edition as well.

[–]ApokalypseCow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

...well that explains some things.

[–]UwasaWaya 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

They had a fairly well-known daughter. Miranda.

[–]EricMcM 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read the book a few times. The closest thing I can remember to there being "sexual tension" was Keyes being a bit uncomfortable when Halsey was naked after coming out of cryo sleep.

[–]arkhound 15ポイント16ポイント  (14子コメント)

343 has big shoes to fill. Nylund wrote a fucking fantastic book and I expect 343 to not do it justice.

[–]Eternal_Reward 13ポイント14ポイント  (13子コメント)

Why? It looks like they are following it to the letter.

[–]arkhound -4ポイント-3ポイント  (12子コメント)

Well, the CGI is already a major disappointment, so we can start with that.

[–]Eternal_Reward 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

You haven't seen it. Their going for a different art style with it for sure, but we haven't actually seen it in action outside of some clips. Its not like its a first for Halo.

[–]arkhound 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

No, I haven't seen it, but how am I supposed to be excited if the preview is shit?

[–]Eternal_Reward 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm not saying be excited, but your saying you don't expect 343 to do it justice, while to me it looks fine. They seem to be following the book more or less to the tee, though I could see them being forced to cut out some things do to time issues.

[–]arkhound -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's nice that they follow the book, but if the visual aesthetic is not great, then what's the point of bringing it out of it's original medium?

Most of the reason I don't expect 343 to do it justice is because of what they did with Halo 4.

[–]Eternal_Reward 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

What's wrong with Halo 4? I thought it was one of the strongest games story-wise.

And I get what you mean by the visuals, but I'm just saying I'd wait and see. Could be pretty good.

[–]MrManicMarty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not /u/arkhound ,but personally? I lost track of what was going on in Halo 4, like a literally had no idea what the story in that game was exactly. There was a dude without a nose who was a bad guy, a big flying ball, Cortana was dying and there was that dude from the TV series/short thing there. Story-wise I'm not sure it's anything special, although I might just of not been paying attention as well as I usually do.

[–]arkhound 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I thought the Forerunner stuff was done rather poorly, which is pretty bad when it's the main storyline of the game. I liked what they did with Palmer and the rogue covenant forces but they really suffered on the other stuff.

Non-story, forerunners were shit enemies, worse than the flood. They can be described as bullet sponges and nothing more.

I was also really perturbed with the whole over-humanization of Cortana. It was basically selling out to some really weird fan service that kind of ruined everything. Something the movie "Her" did better was to never have whats-her-face become physical. Just silence.

[–]Jenckydoodle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

By taking a chill pill and calming the fuck down.

[–]hia447 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

where's my Mamoru Oshii-tier animated gunporn.

Oh boy, I wish. A halo animated film with war porn on the level of the opening scene of Patlabor 2 would be incredible. The CG does look pretty bland and cheap so far, which is disapointing.

[–]WinterCharm 54ポイント55ポイント  (25子コメント)

Is this a new game? or a movie?

[–]Cinephile_Chris[S] 86ポイント87ポイント  (6子コメント)

According to Halopedia and the YouTube description, it's an animated adaptation set to release the same day as Halo 5. http://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_The_Fall_of_Reach_-_The_Animated_Series

[–]WinterCharm 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh, nice! :)

[–]HowieGaming 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's a visual comic recreation of the book from 2001 titled 'The Fall of Reach'.

[–]SepDot 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

That book was fucking awesome.

[–]HowieGaming [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Seems to me like this animation will be too!

[–]SepDot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

EEEEEEEEEEEEEP! Fucking excited!!!! I was very disapointed that Halo:Reach didn't follow the same story.

[–]HellinPelican [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

any idea if they will be reconning any of Halo:reach?

iirc the book and the game are different?

[–]apandya27 43ポイント44ポイント  (15子コメント)

It seems like an animated adaptation of the first Halo book - The Fall of Reach. The book details the invention of the SPARTAN II program, as well as the downfall of planet Reach (probably humanity's largest military stronghold outside of Earth). The events of Halo: Reach take place on the ground during the Battle of Reach.

This is cool. I look forward to seeing many of the great space battles animated!

[–]Mistamage 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, fucking baller!

[–]Faithless195 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

As someone that read the book nearly ten years earlier...fuck Halo: Reach. It implied that the Covenant secreted onto Reach, the campaign was over the course of a couple of months, and fr some reason, SPARTAN IIIs were there (When in fact, they never were, as all living S-IIIs were currently on Onyx. They dnd't even know Reach had fallen). In the books, the Covenant just turn up, having discovered the planet from tracking one of the UNSC's ships, then straight up start glassing it. The main battle and fall takes less than twenty four hours.

In Reach were to have been like the book, we'd have been following the Spartans that are FINALLY appearing in Halo 5, not Noble.

[–]TakenAway 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right there with ya. Fall of reach is a great Scifi book. Halo fan or not.

[–]Saltysaks 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I read somewhere that some Spartan-III's from beta company were transferred by Lt. Ambrose. I dont think the Spartan-II's from Noble knew that. But I am there with you on Halo: Reach not being congruent with Fall of Reach. In the books The Pillar of Autumn was too heavy to escape the gravity of a planet on land so they build it in orbit. In the game you can clearly see it lift off from the ground and out of orbit.

[–]blex64 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Noble is all S3s, except Jorge. He's a 2

[–]Saltysaks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh yeah....I'll need to find out where I read that.

[–]Kazzai 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm assuming this is why Halo: Reach won't ever been in the MCC. I'm guessing the whole thing is retconned by this point.

[–]bobeo 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

It isnt, both halo reach and thebfall of reach are canon.

There isnt reach in mcc because it is going to be in the first wave of BC titles

[–]Bat_Mannington [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

both halo reach and thebfall of reach are canon.

So, we're just pretending they don't contradict each other then?

[–]bobeo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They can be massaged so that they don't.

[–]sacredcowkiller [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In Reach were to have been like the book, we'd have been following the Spartans that are FINALLY appearing in Halo 5, not Noble.

While that would have been nice, I don't think there was a better way to show how devastating the Covenant were than to show a team of Spartans losing to them every step of the way. The only other time we've seen Spartans in the Halo games, it was as Master Chief and unless you played on Legendary, it was too easy to blaze through Covenant forces. It made it look like humanity was only losing because they didn't create enough invincible super soldiers when in reality, even the Spartans were outgunned by the Covenant for the most part.

[–]GorbiJones 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is an interesting difference between me and my friends. They've read all of the Halo novels and despise Reach. I've never picked up one in my life and Reach is probably my second favorite game in the series after 2.

[–]Faithless195 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't say that's a difference so much as just depth of involvement in the franchise. For the most part, Reach was a good game. The story is the only thing that I have an issue with. I also read the books nearly a decade before Reach. If I hadn't read any of the books, I'd have no reason to call bullshit on the story (Aside from how generic the characters are, but that's more an issue with the writing of Reach, not the contradictions with previously established lore). The ending was also extremely excellent.

[–]cefriano [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm stoked for this. It'll also serve to introduce a lot of people to Blue Team, who haven't appeared in any of the games yet.

[–]ifeellikedebating 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Animated series, which is actually pretty cool by me since I'm not big on Halo's gameplay, but they have some neat lore.

[–]Abstractify 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

The Chief's Armor at 1:15 reminds me of his super early pre-2000's concept armor.

[–]TheEld 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

Its the Mark IV model fro Halo Wars.

[–]LordGrantus 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, no shields, no AI.

[–]Eternal_Reward 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Its probably a littler earlier and more bare-bones than even those. I forget how many Marks they actually went through in the books, but that scene on the ship was one of the first times they used the armor in the field.

[–]Gunnmitten [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

They had SPI armor (which is what nearly all SIIIs wore, with the exception of Noble Team and possibly other highly classified SIII teams) early on in the books while fighting the Insurrection, then they donned Mark IV during the Human-Covenant War. A little before Reach Halsey introduces Blue Team to the Mark V armor which is the first armor in the line to implement reverse-engineered Covenant Personal Sheilding as well as being AI-compatible. It's what Master Chief wears during Reach, Halo 1, and First Strike. He dons the Mark VI at the beginning of Halo 2.

[–]Eternal_Reward [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I remember that now. And them not getting the shielding until later in the war due to having to reverse engineer the Sangheili shields. Hope they do the test run of the Mark V armor justice.

Might wanna add in some spoiler tags there too. Some people might not have read the book.

[–]Gunnmitten [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

On mobile, can you explain how to spoiler tag it? You're totally right and I'd like to fix that.

[–]Eternal_Reward [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I honestly couldn't say. For now I'd just remove the bit about S-034 and the carrier.

[–]Neoshadow42 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really happy that they're finally making a movie based on, in my opinion, Microsoft's best story arch. I adore The Fall of Reach. The book and the comics were astounding.

Yet does it make anybody else weird that the animation and art style look like something you'd find at 7am on Disney Junior?

[–]Snoopy_Hates_Germans 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't have an XBONE, really hope they release this as a standalone disc for Halo fans who don't play the game.

[–]HowieGaming 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course they are going to release it, both physical and digitally.

[–]TheEld 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It will be on YouTube before the game even comes out.

[–]whiteravenxi 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

To my Halo Lore friends, so if 343 is letting there be an animation adaptation of one of my favorite books, can we say the ridiculous Bungie retcon known as Halo: Reach didn't happen? The book and the game -- from what I can recall -- were hugely conflicting, and Bungie just sat there at the time acting like the book they had acknowledged forever as the source of pre-information never happened. In some ways I'm glad Bungie has moved on to Destiny. Maintaining consistency in their world building was never their strong-suit.

[–]Shnakepup 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

The book and the game -- from what I can recall -- were hugely conflicting

It's been a while since I've looked into it, but IIRC, there weren't any glaring contradictions. They retconned some of the book stuff and from what I remember the events of the game were largely outside of the book in terms of timeline (i.e. nothing directly conflicted).

I think in some ways the game undercuts the book, sure. It's weird they decided to go in some completely new direction for the game while largely ignoring the book. However, they actually made sure they didn't step on the book's toes.

EDIT: found some comment elsewhere on the net that explains it a bit better.

To put it simply yes, the game does retcon the book. Not nearly as much as you may think though, in fact the only change...is that at some point during the space battle described in [the book] the Pillar of Autumn lands in Aszod rather than making an immediate slipspace jump. The other apparent conflicts are resolved through secrecy. [...]

The game starts on July 24, 2552 and the actual fall of Reach and end of the game occurs on August 30, 2552. The events in the game prior to August 30 are unknown to any of the point-of-view characters aside from Halsey and possibly Cortana (she wouldn't necessarily know what her fragment at Sword Base knows). [...]

The point is that the fighting was quite localized, even the Covenant fleet that shows [up later] just continues to operate exclusively in Eposz where all the planet's Forerunner sites are. Localized events can be covered up, no matter how devastating. In fact with major communication relays being knocked out the game's events practically cover themselves up. [...]

Then that brings us to August 30. The Fleet of Particular Justice shows up and events play out just as they do in the book while Carter, Emile, and Noble 6 head to Aszod. The only retcon is that the Pillar of Autumn lands in Aszod at some point to recover the Cortana fragment.

[–]whiteravenxi 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah that was hugely helpful and cleared my haze. Thank you.

[–]Gunnmitten [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I hope more people eventually read this, even though it's so far down in the thread. Too many people bitch about Reach and FoR contradicting each other and Reach committing some grave sin for doing so. This and 343's later data drops that fixed these tiny issues fixes everything but most people don't know about it and stay angry. Some people go so far as to say since these fixes were added later they don't count or are somehow less "canon" which baffles me; the whole point of extended lore is to extend the lore.

[–]Rambro332 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

Halo Reach is Canon. They just changed some stuff up in fall of reach so that the two pretty much stories happen alongside each other.

[–]brianostorm 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was at the Xbox premiere event yesterday at Brazil Game Show when they revealed it, it's nice to see something important be revealed here, considering we aren't that important for releases and reveals yet, and our gamming conference is too new when compared to other big conferences.