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Brain trauma widespread among high school football players, researchers say (reuters.com)

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[–]happyamosfun[🍰] 318ポイント319ポイント  (14子コメント)

This is total crap. I played football all through high school and banana.

[–]farmerwouldsay 77ポイント78ポイント  (5子コメント)

Spider 2 Y Banana

[–]bacon_is_just_okay 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

You also played football through high school too.

[–]dfwmeteor 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

How many potatoes am I holding up?

[–]phishin4dogfacedboy 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

...for scale?

[–]JourneymanWelder 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

are you a minion?

[–]AndrewParScott 79ポイント80ポイント  (31子コメント)

What's really unfortunate is that the majority of kids who play high school football aren't even that good at it. It's a raw deal to have some of your brain function traded off to play a game you might only be mediocre a best. I do wonder how many of them seriously loved the game when I went to high school because as I remember it was a lot of misery for very little payoff. The basketball team was having a better time of it.

[–]Hyperdrunk 30ポイント31ポイント  (9子コメント)

3 concussions, fractured vertebrae, torn meniscus, and multiple minor injuries here.

Loved every minute of my 4 years on varsity despite never being good enough to play in college.

[–]perkited 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hopefully everything's healed to the point where it doesn't affect you after you're 40+ (with another ~40 years to go).

[–]casbahwolf 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm curious about this. I aged through high school and two years of college. I never had a diagnosed concussion or any symptoms that I know of. However, I'm curious how long it takes for any brain damage to manifest itself. Edit: played

[–]Jewrisprudent 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I, too, aged through high school and college.

[–]Hyperdrunk 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm in my 30s now and my knee is fucked but I don't have any other lingering medical issues from it I don't think.

[–]tallerthanunicorngod 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh just a fucked up knee I guess that's not so bad.

[–]Hyperdrunk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh... yeah it sucks, but honestly I'd rather enjoy life than I would avoid anything fun to lower risk.

I played football for 7 years, middle and high school. I've coached middle and high school as an adult. I love the game and thoroughly enjoyed my time playing.

[–]spiegro 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We didn't count concussions, multiple shoulder injuries, and ankles prone to spraining, all thanks to American Football for 3 years.

Wouldn't trade it in for anything. Never planned on playing in college.

[–]blahblah_0 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

Boxing is even worse. I don't even know why that sport is even legal, but it's good that they don't have it in high schools.

[–]The_Evil_Within 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

Sport martial arts are better, generally. Not MMA-style stuff, but 'tagged you with my padded foot/hand', 'no hitting the face or groin' type stuff.

The worst I've ever had was a bloodied lip from an accidental face contact.

[–]ForgotMyPasswordx3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even MMA is better then boxing.

[–]mercedenesgift 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Padded with rules won't save you. I sparred with a lower ranking guy, thrice my size, who held my leg to his chest and completely followed through with a punch to my head. I ended up on my neck looking up at my feet. Never fully recovered.

[–]The_Evil_Within 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Assholes are a problem regardless of what activity you're in.

If that happened in a school I was running, I'd have the kid out in a cop car on his way to the grey bar hotel, raging parents or not.

[–]mercedenesgift 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I was a tiny high school chick training for my black belt. He was in college and built like a line backer. It was bad. I should've gone straight to the ER, honestly.

[–]Damn_Dog_Inappropes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your dojo/school should have kicked that guy out. It's bad sportsmanship and he REALLY could have hurt you.

[–]The_Evil_Within 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, he violated two rules that generally bring shame to the 'alpha male' type, or even merely the 'physcial brute' type.

  1. He hit a girl (or in the context of sport, hit her harder than the minimum required by circumstances)

  2. He picked on someone substantially smaller than himself

  3. He broke the rules in order to 'win'

All three of these things imply he wasn't strong enough to compete without an unfair advantage, and the first two of these things should have caused him a major loss of respect and standing with his peers.

If you don't mind answering - what consequences did he actually face?

[–]mercedenesgift 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was out of it for a bit (I presume concussion but I didn't have health insurance for most of my childhood so I just sat out) so he might have been yelled at by the senseis but I don't know. He remained at the school. The neck injury radiated down my spine and it took a very long time to address. I'll never be at a hundred percent, but I'm very lucky I didn't have a break or I didn't simply die.

Weight classes at my school were kind of a joke. I was a waif surrounded by huge guys. I was flexible and very fast. They were bigger and slower. I could hold my own... I could take them down often enough... but I made the mistake of having trust and didn't anticipate him breaking so many rules in rapid succession.

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    [–]Todda468 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This is why the "but sport makes you healthy" arguement doesn't work, the vast majority of kids who play football would probably just play another (less traumatic) sport if it football wasn't there, sure the risk of head injury is better than being overweight but it's a false comparative.

    [–]Damn_Dog_Inappropes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is why the "but sport makes you healthy" arguement doesn't work

    Most sports DO make you healthier. Just not football.

    [–]fuckbitchesgetmoney1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hindsight being 20/20 I wish I had stuck with baseball. That being said, I enjoyed the shit out of playing football and wouldn't trade that experience for anything. I compare it to pledging a fraternity. "Best thing I ever did that I'd never, ever, do again."

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      [–]bontesla 47ポイント48ポイント  (25子コメント)

      As a layperson, I've been reading a few articles throughout the years and that seems to be a common theme: It's not the huge, devastating head injuries but the repeated minor head trauma among high school, college, and professional athletes.

      That's incredibly noteworthy. I mean those implications - if correct - are a pretty big deal.

      [–]Duliticolaparadoxa 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

      A lot of the studies seem to be showing that brain damage is cumulative, every subsequent new impact seems to add to and exacerbate existing damage.

      [–]bontesla 20ポイント21ポイント  (8子コメント)

      It really puts into perspective football scholarships for poor student athletes.

      [–]reverse_cigol 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Southpark had a pretty spot on commentary about the NCAA.

      [–]Kobe_Didnt_Do_It 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I would love to watch this episode. Do you know which one it was?

      [–]Jewrisprudent 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's from maybe 4 years ago, Cartman forms the crack baby athletic association.

      [–]Sage_CFC 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Add in the fact that the NCAA will make billions of college football and the players don't get paid and aren't even aloud make money of their own name. It's a disgrace

      [–]bontesla 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's exploitation.

      And we allow it to happen.

      [–]Sage_CFC 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's exactly what it is. All in the ruse of "amateur sports" but it's somehow ok for the schools and coaches to be taking in obscene amounts of money while the people at risk get absolutely nothing. Coaches can't even buy their players food if they're starving, that constitutes as an ncca violation.

      [–]nyc4ever -1ポイント0ポイント  (14子コメント)

      Yes, but if you read the article the study found the same amount of problems with women's soccer.

      So what is the solution? Ban all sports?

      [–]bontesla 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

      Why wouldn't we just look at ways to mitigate the risks and allocate a lot more research into preventative measures?

      [–]Mikeavelli 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Efforts made to prevent injuries in sports often just cause more, different injuries. A famous example of this is boxing, where mandating gloves just meant the boxers could start hitting each other in the head without breaking their hands. Concussions rose dramatically.

      [–]4x49ers 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Efforts made to prevent injuries in sports often just cause more, different injuries.

      A lot of people would be okay with that. Former NFL player and current ESPN radio host Mike Golic had a great point on day on his radio show, he said that every single day he wakes up and something hurts. Usually his shoulder. He said that sometimes he can fight through it, and some times his wife has to help him put his shirt on because it hurts so much. He said, of course, he would do it all over again, but urged people not to dismiss CTE and brain injuries. He basically said everyday something hurts, sometimes it's debilitating, but imagine how much worse it would be if that was in your head.

      [–]Damn_Dog_Inappropes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Not to mention, I'm pretty sure Junior Seau would have happily traded his TBI for a sore shoulder.

      [–]bontesla 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Life should be a series of improvements.

      I'm not sure who is advocating for saying, "Well, we reduced brain damage, our work here is done for the rest of time."

      There's no reason why we shouldn't actively engage in the betterment of life. If we reduce x and another unwanted thing - y - creeps up... well... we should address y, too.

      [–]Arkansan13 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We can't say that for sure exactly, we don't really have any substantial data from the era of bareknuckle boxing. However gloves have nearly certainly been a net negative for safety but there were some rule changes as well that effected safety.

      [–]Mawontalk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There was a TIL about that on Reddit a couple of years ago. According to that and one of the references, the rules mandating gloves:

      took off not because society viewed the new sport as more civilised than the old, but because fights conducted under the new guidelines attracted more spectators. Audiences wanted to see repeated blows to the head and dramatic knockouts.

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        [–]ignorancepower 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Well considering that the article mentioned 2 out of 10000 sports, I think that means there's 9998 sports left, so maybe a ban isn't needed.

        [–]DeliriousPrecarious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Banning football and futbol might be the single most unpopular act in the history of humanity. Frankly it might bring about world peace by uniting all people against however enacts it lol.

        [–]blackout30 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I've taken pictures of both girls and boys soccer games, the girls are just ruthless. In one game I saw two people get kicked in the head and another was slammed with a body check. Boys game nothing even close to that.

        [–]mrshatnertoyou 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

        "We are seeing changes in brain activity even without a diagnosed concussion, even without any sign or symptoms showing up and that that occurs in a large population of our subjects," Larry Leverenz, a Clinical Professor of Health and Kinesiology at Purdue University.

        That is scary since there is no clear manifestation of damage yet it's happening.

        [–]CuriousBlueAbra 95ポイント96ポイント  (16子コメント)

        I remember in middle school all the best students were also very good athletes. Then in high school they all dropped off, and more "nerdy" people rose to the top. I just attributed it to the Wilson effect, but what if it was brain trauma? Perhaps the 'dumb jock' stereotype is actually an observation of reality rather than just a cliche.

        [–]txr534 35ポイント36ポイント  (10子コメント)

        As a former high school football player, I don't necessarily think athletes are less intelligent. I think it's more of a motivation factor. In high school you are "top dog" so to speak if you are a good football player. You also might have colleges recruiting you. Your focus becomes the sport. Also, you spend hours each day practicing making less time for homework. Naturally the grades drop off. I was a straight A student all through middle school and once I got to high school I started focusing more on athletics and my grades dropped to As, Bs, and some Cs. Now that I'm in college I'm back to making straight As because that's where my focus is. I also tutor athletes at my college and any of them are intelligent but simply don't commit the time to their studies that they should for whatever reason.

        [–]ewok621 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Pshhh... Nerd

        [–]clarencecolao 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        When I'm not being great at football I'm using that energy to ace my classes... this guy

        [–]Todda468 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

        The messed up thing is that it's somehow acceptable for kids to put all their time into sport, it's not unusual for moderatly talented kid to spend 30+ hours a week on the sport which will be unlikely to get them anywhere. Yes it's great for kids to chase something they're good at, yes some kids can balance it, but "I had football" is not a good excuse to not do math homework.

        [–]sykingen 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

        For some reason it's okay to practically give up on school to pursue athletics in high school, but if you were to try the same thing and pursue esports, everyone will think you're being a fucking moron. Even though you're doing the same exact thing.

        [–]BananaMeGustaII -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The exact same thing but arguably more fun to watch and which won't cause irreparable brain damage.

        [–]midwestraxx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Carpal tunnel is the new concussion

        [–]rejesterd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This is touching on the real underlying issue imo. Sports are extremely over-valued due to the celebrity-worshiping culture that the TV creates, and the money that sports bring into the schools. Most people like sports.. they're fun. I loved hockey, football, etc.. but I liked playing them with my friends outside of school.

        Playing for a team in high school is completely different. You have many parents who push their kids to play because the parents are living vicariously through athletes they see on TV doing amazing things. There's also added pressure from other classmates who want to win that state championship so they can all feel like winners. Finally, there's the money that it brings in. School admins and parents talk about it like it's a great thing (and it is a good thing to generate more money for schools), but the cost isn't worth it imo in terms of the overall effect it has on our culture and health.

        And I understand the benefits of competitive sports.. you do learn to work as part of team in a crazy, fast-moving environment.. no doubt that is great preparation for what the real world is like when you're an adult. But again, look at the cost.. it's crazy.

        [–]Damn_Dog_Inappropes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Imagine if a motivated kid put 20 hours a week into science instead of sports.

        [–]Chrispy_Bites 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        David Foster Wallace has a pretty interesting take on this in an interview he did with Terry Gross a few years ago. You should listen to it for the whole argument but, to paraphrase, he suggests that athletes are just intelligent in a different way. That what we might interpret as a lack of depth is really more of a willful shutting down of the part of the brain that says things like, "No, you can't do that. Stop. This isn't going to work."

        I'm doing a really crappy job of paraphrasing. Wallace does a better job.

        [–]b-lincoln 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This is similar to my experience. School was always easy for me, I could cram with the best of them and did. I was one of the stars on my football team and women, football and partying were way more important. I still graduated hs with a 3.4, but that was putting in the absolute minimum required on my part. University was different, as I wanted to be there, I was paying for it, and I wanted to learn. I did much better grade wise.

        [–]aryst0krat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Except not all sports are so violent.

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          [–]edog321 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I bet playing football in school is worse for you than smoking pot.

          [–]Mcentir 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Due most likely to concussions received either playing collegiate rugby or snowboarding I had to have 1/8 of my brain removed. there was scar tissue causing me to have seizures

          [–]throwaway_konto_24 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Would you be willing to share more of your experience with us? Do you notice much difference post-surgery?

          [–]Mcentir 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I had a childhood that was full of falls due to sports but between November 2012 and March 2013 I believe I received 3 minor concussions. 2 playing rugby, I had slight head aches after each hit. Then I had a major snowboarding crash in March where I slammed the ice on my back hard enough to break my arm. I believe I suffered another minor concussion in this fall but didn't show sign after. Through this period I had been using marijuana consistently on a near daily basis. In September of 2013 I quit smoking and ten days later I had a grand mal seizure. After extensive testing a piece of scar tissue was found in my right temporal lobe which is where the doctors had predicted my seizures were originating from. 1 year ago today I had my entire right temporal lobe removed. The only deficit that I suffer from today is a very minor loss in upper left peripheral vision. I would't have even noticed if the doctors hadn't had me look for it.

          [–]throwaway_konto_24 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Wow.

          It's really odd to think that a whole lobe has left so little change - and weird that vision would be affected, since I thought that was mostly in the occipital lobe.

          Thank you for your willingness to discuss it

          [–]Mcentir 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The vision change is due to a nerve that had to be cut in the process. Testing showed that I'm damn lucky to be right handed, if I was left handed I would have dealt with many more issues.

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            [–]TyneyTymey 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

            We in band had always suspected...

            [–]blckspder 42ポイント43ポイント  (14子コメント)

            I know first hand of the type of trauma caused by playing football. I had 4 concussions in high school which resulted in me getting normal pressure hydrocephalus. I was fortunate not to have to get a corrective shunt. But I did need brain surgery to correct the issue.

            The head related issues surrounding football and the lack of attention they get is the first and foremost reason my son will not be playing football. The short term benefits of playing do not out weigh the long term benefits.

            [–]matt2001 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I played in HS (all state linebacker), and a year of college. I agree - not worth it, knees ruined, concussions, etc... My son didn't play.

            [–]txr534 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I was all-district as a linebacker as well as a catcher in baseball... My knees definitely are not the best now lol

            [–]SharksFan1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You can live and still be successful in most lines of work with bad knees. Not so much with a bad brain.

            [–]M1s4n7hr0p3 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

            Effects/damage/detriments etc. The long term effects hardly sound beneficial.

            [–]Mr_Lobster 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

            I'd advocate swimming as probably the best health-to-drawbacks ratio of sports. It's low impact cardio, so better than track and cross country, and exercises the whole body so better than biking. And it builds up crazy levels of endurance.

            [–]sicp4lyfe 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Disagree, how many swimmers have shoulder problems? A lot of them.

            [–]spudbuster 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Not OP, but that's from overuse, bad mechanics, and poor mobility. The first and last could be solved by swim coaches learning more about general exercise science, and the second could be solved by them becoming more technically proficient.

            [–]M1s4n7hr0p3 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

            What does that have to do with descriptive phrasing regarding brain damage from TBI's playing football?

            [–]Mr_Lobster 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Talking about long term effects being non-beneficial, I was continuing the point about sports that are more beneficial and less detrimental than football?

            [–]Ladderjack 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The short term benefits of playing do not out weigh the long term benefits.

            Did you mean "long term consequences"?

            [–]Glasser99999 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

            As a current high school player, this is definitely true. Especially for backs. I'm a lineman, and I occasionally get shook up after hits, but nothing like them. I'm pretty sure my buddy has had like 10 concussions in the past 3 years. The 2 I remember most were kind of scary. One time after a hit, he was laying there, and when he got up, all he could see was yellow. Like he was terrified, everything was just bright yellow apparently, followed by a terrible headache. And the other happened just a few days ago, after a hard hit, he apparently couldn't control the right side of his face, like it was contracting and stuff and he couldn't control it. He has never gotten medical attention for any of these.

            Oddly enough he's still quite smart, but I think his brain is turning to mush.

            [–]socks86 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

            He needs to get checked out ASAP holy fuck man don't fuck around with the health of your brain.

            [–]batsofburden 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Does he know about the damage, maybe you should send him a link to this article.

            [–]PainMatrix 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I have a young son and there is no way with how it's currently played that I would allow him to participate. I have to imagine that football will look pretty different in the future now that all of these things are coming to light. There was an article recently showing that the vast majority of deceased NFL players have a serious degenerative brain disease known as Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE)

            [–]Diogenes__The_Cynic 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            If they imposed weight limits, and side-tackle only rules, that would be cool. I don't think high schools have to play the game by NFL rules.

            [–]sir_nigel_loring 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Makes me glad I rode the bench.

            Though I'm sure that iron bar I hit my head against going full speed a few times a week in pad level drills cost me a few IQ points.

            [–]piperluck 21ポイント22ポイント  (58子コメント)

            If this becomes a widely held belief then Football will be dead in 20 years

            [–]killermachi 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

            The NFL is powerful enough to suppress most of this information and keep it away from the public's eyes, but the problem is that they can't completely suppress it. Inthe next 10 years people are going to become very well informed on the issue. Once the superior athletes start choosing other sports instead of football (baseball and basketball will be the primary benefactors, but so will hockey in case some of them still want a little violence in their sport) and the quality of the game starts to erode, that's when it'll really start to die. It won't be dead in 20 years, but it will be hurting BAD. 30 years tops for it to die.

            [–]piperluck 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

            This is just a personal anecdote, I grew up the son of a College Football Coach who was in the sport for over 40 years. I played through College and just a few years ago had my first child. It was a girl but if I ever have a son he will not play Football. It's a great sport that can teach a lot of life lessons but it's simply too risky. I don't know how you can come to any other conclusion at this time

            [–]batsofburden 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

            So do you think the sport will die out?

            [–]piperluck 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Unless drastic changes are made I think so. At least at the youth level

            [–]midwestraxx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I think it'll be like hockey but instead of being only common in the north it'll only be common in the south.

            [–]Fang88 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Yes, but we have the internet and word of mouth which means that legions of soccer mom's will get freaked out that football might make the little kid too dumb to go to college so they will pull him out before he even gets on the team in middle school. No kids in middle school playing football means no kids in high school playing football and less and less people caring about the sport which will certainly hurt the NFL 10 years from now.

            [–]Damn_Dog_Inappropes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            legions of soccer mom's will get freaked out that football might make the little kid too dumb to go to college so they will pull him out before he even gets on the team in middle school

            You say that like this isn't something to freak out about.

            [–]keepitwithmine 6ポイント7ポイント  (25子コメント)

            It's mortally wounded for sure. Everyone will be watching soccer in 20 years.

            [–]StalkerNoStalking 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

            soccer players are suffering from this as well. It turns out you can't smash your head against a ball constantly and expect there to be no damage....

            [–]Damn_Dog_Inappropes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            There's an easy solution to that: No more heading the ball.

            [–]piperluck 1ポイント2ポイント  (16子コメント)

            You could be right. I don't think kids will revert to sports they already could have played. Maybe this is the chance soccer needed. Who knows

            [–]keepitwithmine 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

            I will probably never be into soccer. But my kid will I'm sure. I will play it for him. There will be a transitional generation for sure. But all professional sports will have issues as those who regularly go start to die off.

            [–]piperluck 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

            Do you think other sports face this kind of exodus going forward? Last I checked at least 3 HS players died this year because of football. They can't recover from that and I think other sports will benefit

            [–]keepitwithmine 6ポイント7ポイント  (13子コメント)

            No. Football will be the worst, but I think all professional sports have priced out the younger generation during a time where going to sporting events becomes a habit. Go to a baseball game and look around, most of the season ticket holders have grey hair.

            [–]piperluck 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

            I totally agree but maybe this is the opportunity baseball needs to convince the youth to play that instead of Football. Basketball may benefit but I think there has to be other sports that take away the kids that would have played football. Basketball has the advantage of the fact that all you need is a ball and a hoop to fall in love with that sport and baseball you need at least one other person to really do anything

            [–]keepitwithmine 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Also baseball is way to boring for today's kids.

            [–]piperluck 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Kids are used to immediate satisfaction but it might do them good to participate in something that takes patience

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              [–]Prodigy195 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That's because season tickets are expensive and young people typically don't have disposable income like that. I've love season tickets to the Cubs, Bulls or Bears but I also like having electricity, food and a roof.

              [–]runnerofshadows 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Yeah. The only semi affordable baseball is minor leagues it seems like.

              [–]bigpandas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Oakland As usually run offers in the summer for admission to anyone with a Coke can coupon for <$9. Beers will run you more than the ticket cost but when the stadium's 70% empty, it's not hard to justify the weird pricing.

              [–]SpiroHD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Everyone already does - the United States is the only country that doesn't.

              [–]cmanson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Well if football goes down I'll be hopping on the hockey bandwagon

              [–]hespeakstruth -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Maybe then soccer can finally become a successful spectator sport!

              [–]aperfectmentlegen2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              ""Basically in football and woman's soccer about half the team is experiencing [damage to neurons, glial cells, and vasculature]."

              The time for futbol helmets has come.""

              From the post just above this one quoting the article.

              [–]MyGOATsNameIsRodgers 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Plenty of other good sports.

              [–]danman11 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              We might go back to Baseball, it's slightly less boring.

              [–]Some-Fucker -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

              Belief? Pretty sure this is science, bro.

              Football should die, and the real heroes of our country can get some funding, like all the R&D people who work in labs to solve all the problems they do.

              [–]Fang88 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              So is global warming, but people's belief in that science is what will control their reactions to it and may ultimately doom the sport.

              [–]beer_n_guns -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Oh please. How is football taking money from researchers? FFS

              [–]jakelove12 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

              My high school had the money to build a new, giant football stadium. But not the money to have text books or even desks for every classroom.

              [–]BananaMeGustaII 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Same here. Textbooks from the Clinton era in some cases, but they damn well had enough room to build a big-ass field.

              [–]beer_n_guns -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              High school text books =/= research funding.

              [–]piperluck -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Hey Bro this is a theory since they don't have a test for living specimens yet. It may be back by empirical data but this isn't consensus by any measure yet.

              And as far as your theory that all the money people SPEND on Football will transfer to medical research then you have zero understanding of how Capitalism works. People spend their disposable income on Football and pay for the TV contracts with their viewership. These aren't tax appropriations that Football receives except for maybe at the HS Level. The NFL had been a Non Profit which is a joke so there was a loss of taxes that could have been collected but it's not as if the Gov spends Billions on Football that can just be reapplied to sciences. If you can make Science as popular with the general public then go for it but you simply don't understand how the real world works.

              [–]lsdcurious 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              First off, that's not what a scientific theory is. You mean hypothesis. Second [this]http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/news/companies/nfl-taxpayers/). Sorry you don't understand how the real world works.

              [–]piperluck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              First off, all of those communities that fund stadiums have to vote for those subsidies so to claim that's a straight up Appropriation is false. It's always local and state funds that go towards that. I was referring to Federal funds and some of the points in your article are valid. My point about know how the world works dealt with the fact that consumers spend their own disposable income on Football and their viewership in watching the games and you can't re-appropriate those funds because it's not Gov funding. I assure you I'm right on this so your attack is invalid.

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                [–]I-fuck-horses 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Knowing smoking is really bad didn't stop people from doing it. It was found that what helped smoking was the perception that "the cool kids were doing it". So if that perception continues to exist - and it does not even have to be based on numbers - the activity will remain popular. Kids weigh "popularity now" vs. "uncertain health effects later" - what do you think will be the outcome?

                [–]ffenliv 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                The problem here is that playing sports basically requires the consent, and money, of the parents. Kids sneak away from disapproving parents to smoke.

                It's really hard to sneak away to play football with dozens of your friends, and their parents, and people watching.

                [–]I-fuck-horses 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Looking even at some of the comments here I'm not convinced reason is a significantly larger force in the adults... :(

                Example from a different field, the response of some to news about global warming: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d6/ef/3f/d6ef3fef2df3bcd2b398ea07655f49e4.jpg

                [–]ewok621 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I see youre not from alabama. We're getting nuked before football is gone down here. Row tide

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                  [–]forkface4 13ポイント14ポイント  (11子コメント)

                  Basically in football and woman's soccer about half the team is experiencing [damage to neurons, glial cells, and vasculature].

                  The time for futbol helmets has come.

                  [–]Rumpullpus 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  helmets do nothing to stop internal damage. in fact there is probably evidence to say helmets make concussions more frequent.

                  [–]socks86 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Do you mean in sports only?

                  Source for these claims?

                  [–]ckb614 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  source? I can see them making head-to-head collisions more frequent in football, but how could a soft helmet in soccer not lessen the damage of a header?

                  [–]nortka01 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  Why did they mention a helmetless and non contact sport of women's soccer?

                  [–]PotentiallySarcastic 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Soccer has frequent collisions. In fact, an entire skill set is based around colliding your head with a ball in order to redirect the ball elsewhere.

                  In case you really didn't know.

                  [–]nortka01 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Didn't even think about headers. Thanks!

                  [–]hespeakstruth 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  non contact sport

                  u wot m8? Defense in soccer would literally impossible without contact, every single corner or cross would result in a goal if it was a non contact sport.

                  [–]ITMANAGER_KILLME_PLS -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  It's the persistent fake crying in soccer that causes the most long term damage to the psyche of the spectators.

                  [–]missinguser 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  damage to neurons?

                  [–]IHv2RtrnSumVdeotapes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  coach says its ok to bleed from the ears.

                  [–]ksmxnA 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  "Basically in football and woman's soccer about half the team is experiencing these kinds of things, these kinds of changes.

                  Football...and women's soccer? Funny how soccer gets left out of the title.

                  More than half of the players participating in the trials showed signs of altered neurological function and dramatic changes to the wiring and biochemistry of their brains

                  I hope they're doing this properly and not just looking at athletes.

                  [–]hesh582 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  You know what's going to happen next? The ghettoization of football.

                  Any well off, well read parent is going to have serious second thoughts about football, and so the talent pool is going to shrink significantly. But the demand for (and glorification of) pro football players won't slow down much despite the reduced supply, so for someone ignorant of the consequences or desperate enough with their situation that they'll accept the risk, football will look even more attractive than it does now.

                  In the long run, lower income, less educated, often minority families will provide the football talent to feed America's insatiable appetite for it, and they'll incur all the harm. Meanwhile better-off kids will play lower contact sports and be fine. Football will end up as rich people watching poor people ruin their minds for amusement.

                  In 20 years someone will do a study of lower income or minority male students vs their upper class counterparts and start off a big debate about why a significant chunk of low income or minority males have instability/aggression/lower mental function.

                  [–]lolyouarenotkidding 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  You should read "Soccernomics." It discusses the class issue and how it has affected UK soccer. Very similar to what you are saying about US football.

                  [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  All of this is true already. Americans get their entertainment from watching Blacks ruin one another.

                  [–]tinkletwit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This needed to be said. Its like everyone in this thread is pretending that the higher levels of competition in the sport draw their talent from middle-upper class suburbs.

                  [–]frugalrichwhiteguy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Isn't it pretty much that way now with pro football? I mean, I don't think middle to high income family kids are that prevalent.

                  [–]GQManOfTheYear 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I forgot the exact saying, but it goes something like, "you can tell a lot about a civilization/society by what they consider entertainment."

                  [–]Dicks4feet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Well duh hitting your head isn't good for you

                  [–]humble_god 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  As long as the people in box seats are not the ones getting injured, it is "fine"

                  [–]Shiroi_Kage 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  You mean ramming your head like a, well, ram into other objects traveling at you with considerable speed is a bad idea? Oh bullshit!

                  [–]kickmeImstupid 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Prolonged exposure to US public schools will cause brain trauma whether or not you play football.

                  [–]minnit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  American Football is fucked.

                  [–]swimcool08 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  and we talk about the fact that it said football and women's soccer. we need to raise alarms in both sports then. Football should be completely changed, and people should be told that soccer is a concern at all. because until now i had no clue.

                  [–]RhetoricWarrior 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

                  As a rugby fan, i am hoping this will result in an increase in youth Rugby development.

                  I expect the USA to bring it to the world cup 12 years from now.

                  [–]Iwaspromisedtacos 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25182-rugby-players-warned-of-long-term-brain-injury-risks/

                  [–]RhetoricWarrior -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  I have played rugby for about 15 years. The risk of Brain injury is incomparable to American football

                  [–]nottoodrunk 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Rugby has it's own concussion crisis, it's just not getting that much attention.

                  [–]wth191919 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Any of you heard of angleball? Its a low impact American sport

                  [–]splitnose 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  The thing is, other sports aren't necessarily great, either. I never played football, but basketball gave me three concussions before my 20th birthday (basketball, by the way, sends more Americans to the emergency room than football).

                  [–]SharksFan1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  More kids die from football then basketball. Football injuries are usually much worse then basketball injuries, which is usually a sprang ankle.

                  [–]Codexed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Football is extremely violent. Anybody that says otherwise has never played football before.

                  [–]death_to_islam2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  american football ought to be banned

                  [–]popecorkyxxiv [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Meanwhile in response, the NFL and school football league associations have started questioning the personal life and history of the researchers in an attempt to discredit their work without ever having to address the research itself.

                  [–]IDFWSoup -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  In other news, water is wet.

                  [–]Twain_Driver -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  Would it be possible that if this is a trend that's increasing, one of the causes could be these guys are juicing? Not like they do drug tests in HS.

                  [–]Nullclast 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Its probably due to better training and the fact that its more competitive than ever before so kid are more motivated across the board.

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                    [–]zach4shiraz 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    It's the helmets and pads. Take those away and they don't feel so unbreakable anymore and play like humans instead of dumb bulls.

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