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[–]MustangMark83Libertarian Conservative 23ポイント24ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm a right leaning independent and I can say that you're not going to win anything with this abortion debate. Abortion has been made legal for over 30 years, it's not going anywhere. Instead of focusing on things that turn off all independents from voting for your party, perhaps focus on taxes, national debt, jobs, immigration, etc.

[–]DJWhamoSingle Payer Proponent 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm of the opinion that making it completely illegal may be infeasible for the time being, but gradually restricting it by challenging how people think may not be impossible. For example, someone who supports abortion in principle may be convinced not to support third trimester abortions. Someone who supports it in principle may find the concept of gender-based abortions reprehensible. Someone who may support abortion in general, after seeing videos on the procedure, or an ultrasound of the child they are going to abort, may change their mind.

Ultimately, I think more can be accomplished if we address the hearts and conscious of people, as opposed to changing the law in that regard, but you have to understand something: if you see abortion as murder, then it's incredibly difficult in good conscience to support it's legality.

[–]Palmar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Restricting it should absolutely be a thing.

Here: http://www.infopankki.fi/en/living-in-finland/health/abortion

liberal nordic finland has relatively strict abortion rules. I wonder if liberal Americans who so often idolize the scandinavian countries want to adopt these rules.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a right leaning independent and I can say that you're not going to win anything with this abortion debate.

Who said it's about "winning?"

[–]awksomepenguin 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Slavery was legal in many places in the US for over 80 years before it was abolished. The fact that it was legal for so long was not a solid argument then, and it isn't a solid argument now.

[–]optionhome 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

Liberals never have a problem with communist governments as in Vietnam who murder millions of innocents.

[–]KingJak117 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not true communism /s

[–]optionhome 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So true. Amazing how the liberal brain can categorize things as not "true" once the very thing that they supported ends in failure or worse.

[–]ePrime 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

Statements like this are toxic to actual discussion. You know, and everyone else here knows, that liberals are not ok with communist governments that murder millions. Just making a statement demonizing the opposition into murdering innocent sympathizers and pretending it's true makes it impossible to actually grasp the liberal position and attack it where it will make an actual difference and perhaps change minds.

[–]uberpowerLibertarian Conservative Traditionalist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a play on words. Hardcore abortion supporters will never acknowledge that an unborn baby is anything other than a fetus with zero rights. So it's not baby killing, because to them it's not a baby.

Language. The left insists on their words and definitions being the right ones, and they are sadly winning that battle. Conservatives should fight for better more accurate truer language, and Trump, of all people, is currently leading that battle.