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[–]aboardthegravyboat 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

ITT: people who can't distinguish between building or expanding a highway vs the zoning board kicking you out of your house so their buddy can build a strip mall.

[–]eWal_Jar 23ポイント24ポイント  (32子コメント)

This makes me really mad. It proves Trump isn't a real Conservative.

[–]jingzi_factory 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

He isn't, hasn't been and never will be a conservative. Look at his views and he is no different than a Hillary who says rude shit.

[–]Loveflu -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Building a wall? Conservative.

Deporting illegal aliens? Conservative.

Nationalist? Conservative.

Not owned by big donors? Conservative.

[–]wilfoy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Those are some nice looking cherries you picked there. You making a pie?

[–]TheFakeTomTelescoRightward-Most Viable Candidate -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Against gay marriage.

For welfare reform.

For a balanced budget.

Conservative? Nah. Bill Clinton 20 years ago. This is fun!

[–]cfmonkey45 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

This proves Donald Trump isn't a real conservative?

Donald Trump became a billionaire precisely because he benefited from this and other urban renewal projects. He and other billionaire real estate developers took money that was supposed to be set aside for redeveloping lower income neighborhoods with affordable housing and just evicting those people and using the money to build large luxury homes, commercial establishments, hotels, and casinos--all bought and paid for with tax payer money, and pocketing the profits. It's essentially Keynesianism on the city level.

Entire lower income (overwhelmingly minority) communities were destroyed in this aspect (ironic, because it was liberals, not conservatives that did this), and then displaced into areas or housing projects without jobs or access to them. Those small business owners, renters, and homeowners were priced out of the market place and forced out regardless. In its place, the region was gentrified and urban renewal was considered a success. The places where minorities were relocated were often out of the city, often poorly constructed, poorly maintained, and often had poor access to jobs. The only real way to sustain themselves was to 1) get on welfare, or 2) participate in organized crime. Hence the plight of inner city African Americans.

If a conservative had done this, firstly, it wouldn't have happened because from an ideological and economic perspective, large government interventions in the economy and free market would be frowned upon. Thus, we wouldn't have displaced minorities, we wouldn't have well-connected oligarchical elites, and we wouldn't have the culture of welfare, crime, and drug addiction amongst the lower classes and most vulnerable of society.

It isn't just enough to say that Donald Trump lacks conservative credentials, he's the antithesis of a conservative.

[–]eWal_Jar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I wholeheartedly agree, just this is a very clear answer to people who still aren't convinced he's a fake.

[–]Loveflu 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think conservatives win in the private sector by taking advantage of and utilizing the laws given to them. Just like Trump has. He wasn't a politician when he was a business man. Why hold him to that standard?

[–]cfmonkey45 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Firstly, Trump is trying to use his acumen as a businessman to establish his credentials. Essentially, he's saying that he can rub two coins together and get a third, and he can do the same for the United States. In reality, his business ventures were only profitable by being granted sweetheart deals and massive subsidies at public cost (and public loss), and then pocketing the profits. Business ventures that he couldn't profit from, he just wrote off and declared bankruptcy. Had this system of government subsidy of urban renewal and development not happened, Donald Trump simply wouldn't be a billionaire. Secondly, its highly unlikely that he will do anything to stop his gravy train once he's in power. So there is a clear conflict of interest.

[–]Loveflu 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not going to argue for Trumps business success. There is plenty to research if you want to yourself. If you truly believe he isn't successful, you are frankly an idiot.

Secondly, people are supporting Trump for a few key reasons.

  1. Build a wall and deport illegal aliens.
  2. Challenge Political Correctness
  3. Establish an America first philosophy
  4. He is not bought and paid for by crony-capitalists.

[–]cfmonkey45 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying that he hasn't made a lot of money. I simply stating the facts that his first sixteen major business ventures were financed at taxpayer expense with taxpayer money. He didn't contribute significant shares of his own income to his own investments until he was already a billionaire. I'm not saying that he's not successful, I'm just saying that if you gave me tens of millions of dollars for free to build businesses that have revenue streams in the hundreds of millions of dollars, it would be hard for me not to become a billionaire.

To your second point, it is true that he is not bought and paid for by crony capitalists. But that point is moot because he is objectively a crony-capitalist himself.

[–]Loveflu -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

What world do you live in that conservatives don't support eminent domain at some level?

[–]wilfoy 13ポイント14ポイント  (14子コメント)

Man, fuck Donald Trump. Of course he likes imminent domain. He's used the strong arm of government to personally enrich himself beyond imagination.

[–]The_Donald_2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Pretty much every successful billionaire you see used the law to their advantage to get ahead.

[–]wilfoy 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm going to quote myself from another post in this thread.

You see, there's this thing called "ethics" where something can be completely legal but still morally wrong. I don't want a Machiavellian bully leading our country.

[–]Loveflu 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Politicians do nothing in the real world and they are beautiful untainted fairies to you.

[–]wilfoy 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just because a lot of politicians are bad doesn't mean trump is good.

[–]Loveflu 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well reality is here and its time to nominate a candidate soon.

[–]wilfoy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny you should mention it, because the reality is that Donald Trump is a buffoon and a big government statist and wouldn't have a chance in hell in a general election.

Rand Paul 2016

[–]ThumpNuts 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Too late.

"I don't want another Machiavellian bully leading our country."

FTFY

[–]wilfoy -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah we've already got one. That doesn't change the fact that I don't want it.

[–]ThumpNuts -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just pointing out the fact that we already have a delusional narcissist in the White House.

[–]whatsabitcoins -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

We all have a responsibility to play the game as best we can given the rules. For instance, if Sanders gets elected I will go Galt. If Trump has a talent for strong arming people, he might prove useful to Americans if that talent is aimed to our benefit.

[–]wilfoy 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm sorry but I can't agree with that. You see, there's this thing called "ethics" where something can be completely legal but still morally wrong. I don't want a Machiavellian bully leading our country.

[–]whatsabitcoins 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough. I think good open discussion is positive and helps people under the conservative branch better understand each other.

[–]egregion -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I do if it's in the interest of this country and in the interest of the citizens.

[–]wilfoy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Donald Trump has never done anything that wasn't in his own best interest.

[–]TuxedoBomber 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cronyist, pure and simple.

[–]Captain_Yid 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

If you don't understand the need for eminent domain, then you're living in a fantasy land.

[–]LaLongueCarabine 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you don't understand what's wrong with eminent domain, then you are a statist.

[–]Captain_Yid 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's a convenient perspective if you're not the one building an interstate or railroad.

[–]wilfoy 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trump's not talking about using it for transportation infrastructure. He's talking about his own personal experience in using the government to help him build casinos.

[–]iam4uf1 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats the key. Eminent Domain as spelled out in the 5th amendment of the Constitution specifies using the land for public use. Of course, the government likes to buy your land, give it to some real estate mogul who gives donations to both sides, with which they build some casino or other definitely non public building. I doubt many people have issue with buying land for public use, just the situations like the above

[–]Loveflu -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

What republican is ideologically pure to your absurd level?

I would call every Republican running a statist for not building a wall.

[–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Donald Trump, gains 10pts in poll. /s

[–]desertaz 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Question if I might. If the founders knew what they were doing when they wrote the second amendment, did they lose their way so much when they got to the fifth that eminent domain is not part of a constitutional conservative's view? The government has the right to take private property for public use with just compensation in the same way individuals have the right to keep and bear arms, because it's spelled out in the constitution.

[–]YosoffNatural Rights Conservative[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

for public use

There's the key. The issue most conservatives have a problem with is when the government takes property from one private citizen solely to sell it to another private citizen.

Person A has a moderately successful small business.
Person B wants to buy up the whole block and redevelop the area with casinos or something.
Person A doesn't want to sell, his business is his life, he's been there for decades, it's his property.
The government gives Person A a check for "just compensation" and gives the property to Person B.

Person B just happens to be a real estate mogul who has donated tons of money to politicians on both sides.

If we were talking about a road or a school it would be a different scenario.

[–]ThumpNuts -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is how I feel about what 20% of Republican voters think:

R-Voter: "Hmmmmm... this person B sounds very familiar. This person B is obviously not a conservative and I would not vote for person B. Instead, I'll vote for Trump."

Sane Person: "Person B IS Donald Trump."

R-Voter: "Yeah, but Trump tells it like it is."

[–]-Krakatau- -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It will be a happy day when his campaign fully implodes and he walks away from the race. I fully believe he'll never make it to Iowa. He struggles with even basic questions on conservative issues because he really doesn't believe anything other than himself.