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Just found out my tenant unlocked the door to my master bedroom and has been renting it out on Air B and B. What are my options? (Mass, USA) (self.legaladvice)

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This is in Mass and I am currently over seas. He has 9 months left on the lease. Obviously, the lease said he couldn't go in my bedroom and we also had a clause about not having businesses in the house. Wtf do I do?

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[–]wise-up 442ポイント443ポイント  (35子コメント)

Wasn't there a recent post about this issue from the tenant's perspective? He was universally advised not to rent out the master bedroom, IIRC.

[–]tasari 288ポイント289ポイント  (31子コメント)

Yup. BoLA thread since the original was deleted.

[–]ebol4anthr4x 235ポイント236ポイント  (20子コメント)

Holy shit, that's amazing. His username is in that BoLA thread as well. If this is legit, OP of this thread needs to check and see if the OP of that thread is the tenant. I feel like this is too good to be true though.

[–]mrdrlikemosch 107ポイント108ポイント  (15子コメント)

This is an unbelievably juicy turn of events

[–]AndyLorentz 126ポイント127ポイント  (13子コメント)

Due to the number of people who visit Reddit, and the infinite stupidity of the human race, I can't immediately call troll on OP...

But I must admit I have thought about making a troll account to tell "the other side of the story" from posters in this sub...

[–]ebol4anthr4x 159ポイント160ポイント  (7子コメント)

This thread's OP and the previous thread's OP have accounts that were created one day apart, and others have found that both accounts frequent that same subreddits, so it's looking sorta unlikely that this story is real.

[–]AndyLorentz 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regardless of that, even "hypothetical" situations can result in legitimate legal advice for other visitors of this sub.

[–]jbarbz 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, they are roommates. It's possible that they would have common interests. It's also possible that one may have signed up to reddit and told the other to check it out.

[–]Thaichi23 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh man! This guy is a both a huge fucking loser AND genius! He's creating shit tons of down votes in one account in order to get them to be up votes in his other account!

[–]-MangoDown 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's how the 1 percent move the karma overseas to their alt accounts.

[–]onlyhalfminotaur 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's found the perpetual upvote machine!

[–]shadowofashadow 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

This kind of thing is actually somewhat common on large forums. Back in the day on SomethingAwful a guy got scammed on ebay and one of the users lived a block away from the scammer.

Stuff like that is surprisingly not that rare when you have such a high volume of users.

[–]AJB115 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean like a P-P-P-Powerbook?

http://pdf.textfiles.com/books/thepowerbook.pdf

[–]shadowofashadow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha yes! That's got to be the one I'm remembering.

[–]fdjsakl 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

goon upvotes!

[–]sawser 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Goddamn, I loved those days.

[–]Jokkerb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good lord this could be epic, and without any shitty mspaint diagrams! Who knew!?

[–]spitlets 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP plz: http://www.reddit.com/r/bostonhousing/comments/3dr5gh/foo/ctgoeka

$1500 splitting a 2 br in one of the nice new complexes by Alewife. $65k...

[–]imnotlegolas 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where did you see his username?

[–]Gawd_Awful 52ポイント53ポイント  (4子コメント)

Scumbag OP from that thread is posting all over the Boston forum and this location is Mass. I have to assume its all related or the a trolling effort.

edit* and they are both in the Airforce...and both post to /r/AmazonWTF ...

[–]sicarim 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

He outright says in one post he recently moved to Boston. But OP looks suspicious here too.

[–]Anti_Obfuscator 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is Troll the consensus opinion?

[–]MoOdYo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/PZK4X.jpg

[–]773cf 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Even better, here's the full archived thread: http://archive.is/tQBYb

(source: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestoflegaladvice/comments/3gz847/my_roommate_left_for_a_year_can_i_pick_the_locks/cu2rxl5)

He even made another thread where he discussed setting up his own airbnb!! https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/3gckil/crazy_idea_we_set_up_an_airbnb_network_of/ Archived link in case he deletes it: https://archive.is/veJRG

[–]shughes96 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

This may be useful to OP:

So...honesty time. I'm kind of being shady here and "taking advantage" of my landlord.
I just want to use the damn master suite. He won't be back for a year and there's no reason why I shouldn't. I believe I have legal cover because the lease says nothing about staying out of these areas, just oral agreements in passing.
I'll lock it back up and make it look presentable when he comes back in a year anyway.

[–]CarCrashPregnancy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh....this guy is Air Force? If this makes it back to his command...his CC and Shirt will slay him.

[–]DuckyFreeman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember that thread, the dudes a fucking moron. This just confirms it.

[–]fistful_of_ideals 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like archive.org has a snapshot of the original thread from August 14.

[–]KnifevsFace 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both accounts are the same person. It was a troll.

http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3ntysu/z/cvrbfxp

[–]Caffine1 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This actually happened? Wow. I was actually going to make a post the other day asking if something like this ever occurred, where we see both sides of an issue.

[–]chakrablocker 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It could be all made up for attention

[–]beholdmycape 699ポイント700ポイント  (26子コメント)

Threaten to evict him for cause if he does not immediately unlist the rental and surrender the full proceeds of renting your property, sue him for it if he doesn't.

Edit: this thread potentially got awesome, thank you Reddit detectives

[–]dwarf_wookie 240ポイント241ポイント  (0子コメント)

Contact air bnb with proof you own the property. They'll take down the listing.

[–]FallenAngelII 160ポイント161ポイント  (23子コメント)

Why even threaten? I'd just evict that fucker instantly. He's broken the lease. He's shown himself to not be trustworthy. It's time to let him go.

[–]bearjuani 106ポイント107ポイント  (18子コメント)

because, scummy as the tennant is, 9 months rent is a shitload of money, and OP probably cant get a new tennant from overseas very easily. It's far from perfect but it's better than nothing unless the guy actually starts causing damage.

[–]FallenAngelII 116ポイント117ポイント  (17子コメント)

He has no qualms about breaking into the master bedroom and renting it out to perfect strangers he's never met before. Chances are, there is already damage being done to the house that he'll refuse to pay for.

OP has to worry not only about the tennant stealing from him, but also about the BnB renters stealing from him. Maybe the tennant

I also assume OP has friends or family who can help him locate new tennants, like showing them the property and assessing whether or not they're trustworthy.is doing other illegal shit on the property. He's already committed at least 2 different crimes that we know of.

[–]Hakkyou 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

Don't worry, David would never steal anything. He made a promise once. Never cruel or cowardly. Never give up. He's a healer you know. He fixes things. Well except anything that's made out of wood, the sonic don't like wood.

[–]JustBlameJosh 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm glad you picked up on that, I was worried no one was going to say anything.

[–]QuinQuix 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Help me out here, what am I missing. I want to be with the cool crowd here.

[–]smarmyfrenchman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, you want to be with the Doctor Who crowd here.

[–]MrFurrypants 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The sonic can work out the molecular resonance patterns in, like, 400 years or so. No problem.

[–]beholdmycape 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not a good situation to be in, I really agree, but have you ever actually personally evicted a tenant? The experience is likely to make you look for compromises if you are a small time landlord, doubly so if you're remote or in a state with strong tenant rights and a potentially very drawn out eviction and appeals process.

[–]FallenAngelII -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is not one of those cases. This tenant has broken into an area they have no right to be in and leased out said area. They have committed two different crimes on top of breaking their lease. It's a slam shut case.

[–]sonofaresiii 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have clearly not ever evicted someone, then. It's not a matter of whether you have cause or not, it's a matter of going through an excruciatingly long, complicated and frustrating process.

[–]fishingoneuropa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you keep him as a tenant better change the lock on your door.

[–]Hellointhere 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He should also sue for the money he made renting out the room.

[–]mcgillycuddy412 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Again, money is money.

[–]beholdmycape 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Evicting is expensive and time consuming, not to mention hard to do from out of the country.

[–]WarmMachine 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

You'd probably need a court order to do that, which means hiring lawyers and going to court which is hard to do from overseas.

[–]FallenAngelII 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, you don't actually need to hire a lawyer to evict someone. Nor do you even need a lawyer to sue someone (in fact, almost nobody hires a lawyer for small claims court).

And while it's more cumbersome, it's not impossible.

[–]Wilawah 114ポイント115ポイント  (0子コメント)

Contact AirBnB to let them know that the listing is fraudulent.

[–]haemaker 183ポイント184ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hire a lawyer in MA to evict them and possibly sue for damages. Get an experienced RE lawyer so he does it by the book.

[–]kelsey11 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the only way to go. I will say, though, that you should search for a lawyer who specifically handles landlord/tenant issues, since a "real estate lawyer" may only handle transactions like closings.

[–]su5 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Would he be entitled to any money made from the AirBnB services the tenant made, or would it just be a huge hassle for little money?

[–]beholdmycape 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Definitely entitled to the proceeds

[–]magus424 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do NOT delete this post and create a new post with the requested information.

[–]ArmyOfDog 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rent it yourself and scare the shit out of him.

[–]Betsy514 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you click on the username - OP admits to making both posts to see what would happen. Thanks for wasting everyone's time buddy

[–]denali42 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's in breach of the lease, then. You may wish to learn your rights and responsibilities under Mass. law. My suggestion to you is to hire a lawyer who specializes in this and give them authority to act on your behalf while you're out of town. Once the attorney gets them out of the house and deals with Air BnB, you need to hire a property management company so that this shit doesn't happen so easily in the future.

[–]ThegrammarSir 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This user

https://www.reddit.com/user/craigslist_killer_NY/submitted/

made a post about getting into the master suite of the place they were renting despite the landlord locking it up. It's been deleted but here is a link to the comments

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3gwk31/i_rented_a_house_and_the_owner_locked_off_a_large/

and a post where people are discussing the post.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestoflegaladvice/comments/3gz847/my_roommate_left_for_a_year_can_i_pick_the_locks/

[–]fawlty_lawgic 44ポイント45ポイント  (7子コメント)

How are you fulfilling duties as a landlord while overseas?

I imagine you'd want to begin the eviction process, notifying him and whoever is renting the master bedroom, giving them all the proper notice required by law. Then you probably want to contact Air BnB and inform them of the situation.

[–]CluelessCat 61ポイント62ポイント  (5子コメント)

You don't have to be in the same country to fulfill your duties.

[–]fawlty_lawgic 40ポイント41ポイント  (4子コメント)

I didn't say he did, I'm asking how for logistical reasons.

[–]dmazzoni 41ポイント42ポイント  (3子コメント)

You could have a local manager / super / handyman. That's what I do. Not overseas but 500 miles away.

[–]mcgillycuddy412 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that's what they were getting at when they asked the question. Does OP have someone else managing the property?

[–]53045248437532743874 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Correct, and agreed.

/u/CluelessCat may be asking because in OP's original thread he said he had no property manager looking after the property.

[–]lntrullin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. Some real estate companies will serve this function. My parents were overseas for about 20 years and I think Long & Foster handled their tenant management, IIRC.

[–]magicdragonfly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How are you fulfilling duties as a landlord while overseas?

Same way any large apartment corporation does it. You hire local boots on the ground to take care of day to day concerns.

[–]joedude 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You probably needs to send someone you know and the police to evict him asap..

[–]ligerzero459 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP, I'm not sure if you happened to the the comments since it's not a direct reply, but here's an archived post of a tenant posting about doing exactly what your tenant is doing. If it's the same guy, it could help you out.

EDIT: Sidenote, solid username

[–]tyrefire2001 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I mean that's a baller move, Master P would be proud, but really, you have to kick them out. Not least because Airbnb tenancies can have serious implications on mortgage policies if your unlucky.

[–]xxmrkeksxx -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To get eel lpplllloü6öplzkpp

[–]AkumaBengoshi -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you wrote your lease correctly, this is a criminal act - if not breaking and entering, then at least trespassing.

[–]Ramady 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How would writing his lease correctly influence the MA criminal code?

[–]Knotwood -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Split the cash.